This ALMOST Was Britain's Worst Air Crash | British Airways Flight 006
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This is the story of speed bird flight 06. If you know anything about aviation is that london heathrow is an absolutely massive airport. It is the busiest airport in europe an it is bursting at the seams in terms of traffic. This means that theres a ton of planes landing and taking off from heathrow everyday. At the time of writing heathrow had 4654 departures in just one week, thats absolutely massive, for some context in the same time frame dubai had 4006 departures. This isnt anything new, London has been a busy airport for some time. On the 28th of april 2000 all of this was still true, heathrow was bustling with activity. On that day runway 09R was being used for takeoffs and runway 09L was being used for landings. Supervising the departures was a trainee controller who was under the supervision of a controller. At about 1:55 Pm air departures got a call from london area terminal control center. They wanted to know if speed bird 6 a boeing 747 could have a special clearance to land on runway 09R. The supervising controller turned to the trainee controller and asked him to estimate the distance to touch down. They discussed for a bit and came to the conclusion that the747 was about 15 nautical miles from touching down. That meant that the 747 would be at the airport in about 5 minutes. The trainee controller ran through what she had to do in his head. sHe had given a few conditional line ups on runway 09R to a couple of planes, the soonest that they could be airborne would be in 6 minutes so he would have to break a few pilot hearts and cancel a few takeoff clearances so that the 747 could land. As all of this was happening heathrow director was in contact with speed bird 6 and said the following: “There's no ATC speed control you're number one for 9R” and then the plane was transferred over to air departures so that they could guide him in the rest of the way. The pilots checked in saying “ speedbird 6 on frequency range 6 miles 9R’ to which the controller replied with “speed bird 6 continue approach wind 070 8 knots”. Things were now starting to heat up in the control tower. Speed bird 6 was still a little bit out and the controller could squeeze in aa few departures before flight 06 got to runway 09R so he got on the radio and cleared shamrock 715 for takeoff. As shamrock 715 was rocketing out, the supervising controller asked the trainee controller to clear the next two waiting planes for an immediate takeoff. If you dont know what that means at busy airports if youre cleared for an immediate takeoff you turn onto the runway and then you takeoff none of that line up and waiting stuff here. In this case Luftahsa 457 was lining up after shamrock 715 was away. As lufthansa 457 was getting on the runway the controller inquired with the next plane behind lufthsana 457 he said “"MIDLAND ONE NOVEMBER ZULU WHEN SO CLEARED CAN YOU TAKE AN IMMEDIATE DEPARTURE THERE'S LANDING TRAFFIC FOUR MILES". Midland one november zulu was good with an immediate departure. As they wrapped up this conversation lufthansa 457 was rolling meaning that he had started his takeoff run. Now it was midland one november zulus turn. As the A321 was about to get on the runway the crew decided to double check “"MIDLAND ONE NOVEMBER ZULU JUST CONFIRM WE ARE CLEARED TO LINE UP". The trainee controller confirmed the A321 was ready to go! The controller was now talking to the next jet in the lineup for takeoff telling them that they could takeoff right after the 747 had landed. At this point the mentor took control and said “'SPEEDBIRD SIX KEEP IT COMING THERE'S ONE TO ROLL THE WIND ZERO EVEN ZERO EIGHT KNOTS". The crew of the 747 acknowledged. They were still good to land. He then turned to the A321 and said "MIDLAND ONE NOVEMBER ZULU START
POWERING UP ON THE BRAKES AND YOU'RE CLEAR IMMEDIATE TAKE OFF 
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"Two planes should never be 14 Tom Cruises away from each other." Possibly one of the best units of measurement I've heard in my life so far.
look up smoots for bridges too lol.
Americans will use ANYTHING but the Metric system!
Only question now is how many danny devitos does 14 tom cruises equal
@@cassandrakarpinski9416 slightly over 16, 16.19 to be exact
Then there's the percentage of number of couch jumping incidents to be factored in. Extra points for doing it on Oprah!
That poor trainee. I'm so glad there was enough time for people to react and make sure everyone stayed safe.
I was a novice pilot doing solo circuits at a controlled airfield in my home town Brisbane, when on short final I noticed a Cessna ( high wing) line up to take off on the runway I was approaching. I heard the pilot request take off clearance, and to my horror heard the control tower give them clearance. The cessna started moving on the runway probably 15 seconds before I was going to land. The tower then immediately issued a hold to the cessna but it was too late. I was approaching on the right side of the cessna, so it would have been difficult for the pilot to see me, but it is always the duty of the pilot to make sure they are safe to to make any manoeuvre, so it was a double failure, the failure of the controller, and the failure of the cessna to pay attention.
I pushed the throttle in and started to climb and radioed the tower I was going around. But I was a low hour novice, and this rattled me. The tower was giving me instructions to join the circuit half way around - something I had never heard of or been trained to do. Luckily a different controller with a very calm and slow manner came on and gave me clear directions and it all sorted itself out. So, yes, mistakes happen, but usually there need to be multiple failures for a serious incident to occur, and I was lucky things worked out ok that day.
And even *more* horrific--imagine a world with 14 actual Tom Cruises.
That is scientologies dream!
You kidding? That'd be amazing! We could lash them all together on one treadmill and their combined running speed would be able to power the Earth, fossil-fuel free, for at least another century!
Going to have nightmares now!!!
@@BlackMoth1971 same here!
Noooo!
I wasn't aware of this and I and my wife were passengers on the A321! I can tell you that there were a lot of quizzical looks and fearful expressions that day, even amongst the cabin staff! They say that ignorance is bliss and it certainly was then!!
I dunno, is it better to know your life IS in danger, or that it WAS in danger, but everything worked out?
How did you know there was anything wrong?
Omg that's crazy scary
@@donalfinn4205 they had to abort landing and go around
Wow what a coincidence
If the training controller was only supposed to be working 'light traffic' I'd like to know when, if ever, that situation is likely to arise at Heathrow. Something tells me the supervisor was pushing the envelope, and then tried to palm the blame off onto their junior colleague.
Especially as they couldnt remember her saying are you sure? If a trainee is saying it's sketchy it probably is
Early in the morning
He did not try to put the blame on the trainee.
Yes the supervising controller seems to have lost situational awareness.
naa shes for sure to blame
The senior controller telling her to push two planes out instead of one was the straw that broke the camel's back. Ouch.
The midland flight that did a line up and didn't do a expedite take off was more at fault.
Supervisor is at fault as far as I'm concerned. How is all of this "light traffic"? Then the supervisor conveniently can't remember, the training controller's requests? Great video! Thank you. 😀
I was on that BA 747, returning from my first trip to Tokyo! We noticed the go-around and later learned we were in a near miss with a British Midland jet on the runway. Thank you for covering that incident!
Wow!! An avid plane spotter, living quite close to Heathrow and was not aware of such an incident. Quite scary when watching and listening to the details. Too close for comfort!
Things like this didn't make the news back then. Crashes did. We all lived life on the edge!
Still do.
Years ago around 2008 I was watching tons of videos of air crash investigation on RUclips. There were some animations by the NTSB that recreated a few incidents with rdio voiceovers and one was about a 747 narrowly avoiding landing on another plane. Maybe was it this incident ?
At around that time, there were also at least two near misses in North America which involved 747s trying to land on occupied runways.
I feel like training a fresh controller at Heathrow is a recipe for disaster at the best of times. Why not train at a smaller airport and then graduate to an airport hub like Heathrow?
Quite agree, too much risk involved.
Then again you should be training at the difficulty and speed that you intend to work at. Maybe it should happen later on in the course though, or simulated.
To be honest, Heathrow control always amazes me. Mid-Late C19, Heathrow was processing 130,000 passengers per day... just before Covid... Heathrow was processing 520,000 passengers per day.
Quite frankly, i am surprised there is not more accidents.
And to answer your question, i live in London and i don't recall ever hearing about ANY near misses. However it's possible that it was just briefly mentioned in the news and i just missed it or a near miss is just classed as not news worthy.
Fun fact, the 747 involved in this incident is linked to the three 737s that had a design flaws. It also had a problem with its elevator on October 7th 1993, 2 years after United 585 and a year before USAir 427. Another fun fact, the Eastwind 737-200 involved in the rudder issues was operating a flight to Trenton-Mercer Airport on July 17, 1996, when the flight crew witnessed the explosion and crash of TWA Flight 800 directly in front of them.
And a new unit of measurement has been born. Love it! Nicely done video MACI. And I hadn’t heard of this particular near miss.
A similar thing happened in Seville, Spain, when I lived there in the 90s: the controller allowed a plane ro take off from runway 09 whilst another one was cleared to land on runway 27. There was heavy cloud and neither plane saw the other one. Luckily they missed each other and there was no crash.
Should Trainee Controllers with this level of experience be working at Heathrow? Are there other UK airports at which they can gain experience until they have reached the level of competency required for Heathrow?
Anywhere but Heathrow.
Trainee does not mean inexperienced, when talking about Heathrow. They have usually been controllers for many years before.
This was in the news 😲
Movements on the ground are so much slower until the take off roll has actually begun, meanwhile the 74 is on its way to land 😮 Luckily the other controller quickly made the right communications to the craft. The Swiss cheese model was lining up.....
I live about 25 miles from Heathrow and I had no idea that this had happened!
And on that date, I lived even closer than that.
Guess near crashes don't make the news like "Hundreds of people burned alive!"
That's how news works. =S
It's astounding when driving into London just how many planes come and go in such a short window of road space for Heathrow!
I think I recall a newspaper headline with superimposed double decker busses between airplanes graphics to illustrate how close they got. I was pretty young so didn’t pay much attention back then.
"Your takeoff clearance - should you decide to accept it - will self-destruct in ten seconds."
"Fourteen Tom Cruises, standing each other's shoulders, each Tom Cruise with a higher Operating Thetan level than the Tom Cruise below them..."
Appreciate the Scientology reference!
I flew into Heathrow...we circled for 30 minutes and when we finally landed...there was nowhere to park! We disembarked on the tarmac!
If you circled Heathrow for only 30 minutes, consider yourself lucky. I avoid flying into Heathrow whenever possible.
That’s what happens when you build an airport don’t expand right away and get boxed in by suburbs. They only have 2 runways for an airport that should have at LEAST four
@@NW255 Nonsense. The places where any new runways would be placed were built up either before or shortly after World War 2, 40-50 years before the need for more runways was even thought about.
Ok well build a new airport I dunno 🤷♂️
@@NW255 when LHR opened, it had SEVEN runways. Google it.
The 'Tom Cruise' has now been adopted as a (derived) SI unit of length/distance. As he is under 1 metre high it will supplement the 'centimetre' rather than the SI base unit: 'metre', but that's still far more impressive than any Oscar will ever be.
Unfortunately this has been happening much too often at busy airports. At least twice at the Mexico City International Airport in the past couple of years.
Awesome video as always!
Thank you for sharing
Nice! Also wow the word Subscribe in the cockpit in the 747 of the demonstration of incident plane
This was very interesting and a great report. Many conflicting factors, but they got out of it.
Negligent and unprofessional behaviour by the supervisor, who committed a whole sequence of errors.
@@hb1338 naa i blame that new female controler
I did a go around at LHR for the same reason. Very impressive - the 747 stood on its tail whilst over the runway and roared off out of trouble. Great fun - the Japanese student next to me bawled her eyes out burying her head in my arm. I never got the mascara out of that shirt!!
"Stood on its tail" - maximum angle of attack on departure is 15 degrees.
@@hb1338 Yes, I am an aircraft enthusiast too.......when those four engines rapidly spooled up it was full on impressive. But you had too be there to fully experience it.
@@davidjma7226This video is misleading as it shows a British Airways Boeing 747-800 Jumbo Jet, British Airways has never had 747-800 plus the 747-800 was not in service in 2000 as the first flight was in 2011.
The lateral separation of the runways at Heathrow is too small for mixed mode operation to be legal, let alone desirable, so it is NOT (and never has been) routine to land aircraft on the departure runway. A request to do so would normally be made only in exceptional circumstances (e.g a go-round or an urgent return after airborne), in which case the supervisor should have a) taken control of the situation immediately b) cancelled all departures once the inbound aircraft was within minimum legal separation plus a safety margin.
I worked in airline operations at Heathrow at the time of this incident, and a friend of mine who worked at LATCC (London Air Traffic Control Centre) told me that there was any amount of finger pointing and things hitting the fan, because it became painfully clear that the supervision regime for trainee controllers was extremely poor and very badly managed.
I flew into Heathrow 4 years ago. It was insanely crowded.
And never mind about the crowds at baggage claim!
The runways and taxiways at Heathrow are significantly less busy than most large airports in North America. In the UK we use minimum 60 seconds separation between aircraft, in the US, they use between 30 and 45 seconds.
I'm now very confused what day it is. Apparently all the disaster I follow, you included, swapped around what days you all upload. I thought it was your usual upload day and got very confused when I saw it was Friday
Yeah, I’m one day late with this upload. This was supposed to go out yesterday.
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation You have a regular upload day? Who knew?
That near miss at 118' is the equivalent of missing by the width of a side mirror in a car. Damn, that's insane.
Great video, and that’s scary!
Same thing happened about 20 years ago when an Aer Lingus 737 had to go round only seconds from touchdown because a departing plane hadn't cleared the runway. I was on that 737 and the pilot sounded a fair bit shaken when he apologised to us passengers for the sudden manoeuvre.
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It always had been startling for me how it's possible to control that beehive of planes over Heathrow, and I wonder how long one can work at that traffic control before go mad.
As someone who lives close to Heathrow it is terrifying how tight Heathrow runs
Hope you are banging the drums to get the third runway built then ;)
Why did the BA flight want special clearance to land on the take off runway rather than the landing runway?
1) ba has prioritity at Heathrow
2) there might have been a long wait for landing
3) the plane may have been needed for the next flight
At the time of this incident Terminal 5 was not open. BA long haul flights operated from Terminal 4. Landing the flight on the 09R (closest to Terminal 4) saved taxying time and a need to cross 09R to reach the terminal.
@@LuxPete1 But if the trainee air controller and the person training the person had got things wrong over 600 passengers would have died for the sake of saving some taxiing time!
@@groovydonkey True. However BA pilots quite often asked to land on 09R instead of 09L. Allowing landings on 09R also helped reduce congestion in the taxiways so ATC quite liked doing that as well.
@@LuxPete1 I fly from Heathrow a few times and there is always usually delays taking off or landing, no matter what airline it is.
The supervising controller needs replacement.
Sure, the trainee controller would have to learn to make her own decisions.
*But not at this exact time with the 747 about to land*
Remember she was supposed to do light work, having been on the job for about three weeks.
Fortunately I'm not a pilot or ATC controller but even for the work I do, you have to been doing it for over a month to get some skills and routine.
The supervisor was grossly negligent - he MUST have known the situation was beyond what the trainee could handle safely. CAA refused to fire him because they didn't want bad publicity and they didn't want the tabloids to realise what a TARFU this was.
@@hb1338 nope the female is at fualt
@@matthewwilson5019 Troll
@@AudieHolland nope no troll is is def at fualt
“That’s about 14 Tom Cruises”
Amazing measurement!
Thats equally valid units when you hear pounds, inches, thumbs and dinofeet being used as units. Some can't just learn, and never discover SI.
Really puts me off flying ever again !!!
I like the scale of height. Tom Cruise's ! Brilliant. The airmiss didn't make mainstream news. The whole ATC dance is amazing. That sort of thing cannot be that uncommon. However the training shows and all that came to pass was a goaround...
You are worryingly complacent about the whole thing. A negligent supervisor, a trainee who had no idea what was going on, and a number of untenable decisions.
June 1969 LaGuardia NY - about 10 Tom Cruises above the plane landing ahead of us - at 14 years old it was kinda cool to suddenly by at full power climbing and seeing a plane from so close above 😜
That must have been very cool but very scary at the same time
@@markwallis2285 with an ASD / ADHD brain scary doesn't play the same, used to climb 50 feet up trees and just chill when overwhelmed or lay on a wide porch railing at 3am three stories up, but I did have enough sense not to jump... but years later at 60 looking down a ski jump the scary left and "crap, I could've really gotten into this" thought arose.
Let's abandon imperial and metric mesurements altogether!
Really appreciate the Americanized units of measurement. I can certainly visualize 14 Tom Cruises stacked on top of each other.
I would have though that ATCs would go through some simulator training just as pilots receive.
They do. But simulator can't replace real life experience. Just like in the case of pilot training
@@nasseralbarwani6814 According to the video the trainee was new on the job with 150 hrs employed. Of course it was approx. 20 years ago. I'm sure there have been improvements.
@@nasseralbarwani6814they do, and on the job training such as this.
@@jimcronin2043 Not so much improvements, more a case of making sure that supervisors discharge their responsibilities more carefully.
Watching this brought back memories of a song by Hard-Fi called “Move on Now”, absolutely beautiful and emotional song ..oh the nostalgia!!
Great video! You know it’s bad when you 14 Tom cruises away from an another plane! Maybe a video on Caspian Airlines 6936 it crashed in 2020.
This same 747 had also been involved ina serious incident prior whule taking off where the plane constantly rolled up and down
in 1980'S , i dont remember the exact date and time, but it was in a afternoon, in kai tak , runway 13, i was in the bus stop out side the beginning of runway 13, about 300m away from the runway, i saw a plane [forgot the airline and type of the aircraft], going into the runway 13, and ready to go, suddenly, i heard a extrememly loud noise form the above, i looked up and saw a BA's VC-10 [i remembered the aircraft type is beacause of vc-10 is famous of its extremely loud noise] go-around, and a i looked back the plane on the ground, i saw that plane quickly exit the runway 13. of course , at that time, there was no internet no pc, i dont know the details of the incident, but i still remember until now. i think this case is similar to what happened in Heathrow.
I haven’t travelled by air since 2010, but I do sometimes pass Heathrow on a bus; I will be doing so tomorrow. The road the bus uses is close to the Northern runway, 27R/9L and I see aircraft taking off and landing at very close intervals, and I’ve certainly seen take-offs and landings on the same runway. When at Hatton Cross Underground Station I can see aircraft coming in to land on 27L. Whenever I am there it always seems to be the 27 runways (Eastern end) which are being used; does it depend on the wind direction?
Planes always arrive and depart in the same direction, so both sides of the airport will always have aircraft passing through. The prevailing winds are westerly, so runways 27 are used most of the time, around 70-80 per cent. The runways are rotated daily so that each one is used for departures for about half of each day and arrivals for the other half - the switch generally occurs between 2 and 3pm.
I do not know about Newark Airport but there were several close calls at Laguardia and JFK Airports since 1995.
Firing off planes at the tightest possible interval like they were in a video game is terrifying. There's so much possibility for disaster if one plane or the other has a technical glitch or if a pilot underperforms even slightly.
That’s common at busy airports. They try to stay as close as possible to minimum separation during peak times to increase traffic flow on both inbound and outbound flights. The airport can only hold so many aircraft. The rest are waiting in the air.
@@paulshields2220 Being common doesn't make it any less terrifying. :) Crowding up against your boundaries works -- until it doesn't.
It would only take a couple hiccups to create a disaster under those circumstances.
@@mbvoelker8448 Not strictly true. There are clearly defined SOPs (standard operating procedures) for what to do if the steady flow of traffic is interrupted, and most controllers actually practise them on their simulator sessions.
@@hb1338 True, but these tight operations depend on everything going exactly right. This incident, and others we've seen of similar events, shows how close we get to disaster when a very small deviation interrupts the sequence.
@@hb1338Except here when the supervising controller said it's a "gut feeling".
I'm not too far from Heathrow but never heard of this incident, perhaps they hushed it up as there was (stil is) a lot of controvacy about adding an additional runway so even more air traffic could use this airport?
Yeah, I live not even 15 minutes away, binged-watched nearly every air crash investigation / close call video on RUclips and never heard of this. Them hushing it up / downplaying it would make sense with the new runway they proposed at the time
@@whyareyoulookinghere4234only makes news if lives are lost
I was a bit surprised that the crew of the 747 didn't see there was an airliner on the runway whilst they were still on their approach. If the video is accurate, then visibility was good.
Midland 1NZ made a critical error here. For an IMMEDIATE t/o you do NOT put power on against brakes. That would mean stopping on an active r/w with landing traffic. A situation which ALWAYS had me shitting myself.
You have momentum as you taxi onto the r/w, so you push the thrust levers up, and you roll immediately.
Not sure how you can say Midland 1NZ made a critical mistake, when it was told to power up on the brakes
you made a lot more of this than there actually was. Thanks for lowering the bar on youtube.
Jesus christ, imagine seeing a 747 fly overhead after hearing the ATC basically shout at you to cancel takeoff clearance. Definitely taking a couple days off to gather my thoughts
Took many cooks. Surely the supervisor should let the new controller make the decisions
Sounds like the supervisor got too involved
Isn’t there a specific separation between takeoffs to let the air vortices diminish sufficiently between planes or is the period required much less than what was involved between these takeoffs?
In the UK it is minimum 1 minute runway separation and, when possible, 90 seconds after a heavy has departed or landed.
@@hb1338that depends on weight category of leading aircraft and aircraft in trail. Commercial pilot
If the weather was good VMC, (as shown on the simulation), why did Speedbird 6 not see the aircraft lining up?
Was the haste to get the A320 off because of the delay that would be required after a Heavy had landed?
The weather was overcast, visibility around 3 miles - not great. The 747 pilots were not given clear details of departing aircraft and were not told about the A321, which they saw only at the very last moment, not helped by the fact that its' strobe lights were turned off. They initiated their go-round before the controller instructed them to do so. The 747 cockpit is very high and it is very difficult to see anything below the aircraft, so the crew's failure to spot the Airbus is not particularly surprising.
@@hb1338overcast but what was the ceiling height? Points taken about the flight desk elevation.
in such crucial situation/s, spot decision capability is really makable.
Watching this....Iwas in a sweat!
If the 747 was at 118 feet (at it's lowest point) and the Airbus tail was 39 feet high then the calculations are only correct if the 747 was directly above the Airbus when the 747 was at 118 feet. I suspect that the 747 was higher than that as it was told to go around before being over the runway so the difference would have been much more. I agree it was a close thing though.
I wonder whether the pilots of the 747 were checking visually if the runway was actually clear.
On a YT video showing Microsoft Flightsimulator players flying their passenger airliner to Schiphol, a comparably busy international airport,
both players were visually checking the runway so that when they got the ATC instruction to go around, it was not a surprise to them as they could see there was still a plane sitting on the runway.
YT?
@@K1OIK Common abbreviation for RUclips.
@@steam-powereddolphin5449 He is guilty of using unnecessary abbreviations. Is he too hip and cool to use proper English? What did he do with the time he saved not typing ou ube?
@@K1OIK AHA, got another one!
Here come the men in black...
I use the medium, I just don't want to advertise as much.
Scary stuff..! It's alarming is that safety protocols for ATCs in the UK seem not to have been buttoned down in order to prevent such a scenario from happening in the first place.
Clearly the controlling (mentoring/training) ATC should have told the trainee ATC that this was too close to allow aircraft to take off before flight 006 had landed. Whilst I am not an ATC, I have had a lifetime's experience in teaching, mainy on a one-to-one basis.
My instinct would have been to have put safety right at the top of my priorities in this situation.
And my instinct as a teacher would also have been to have de-briefed the trainee ATC at the end of her shift, in order that she learned an important lesson in safety.
Thanks for another well-presented and well-informed video.
Heathrow is the nearest large airport to my home, so I hope there are no future disasters of any kind, given the huge amount of air traffic which characterises this airport. And the M25, M3 and M4 motorways are usually extremely congested due to Heathrow being such a busy airport.
Is this the near miss commonly referred to at Heathrow as Carrie's incident being the name of the trainee?
I know a planes normally fly runway heading on a go around. Perhaps it's time to rethink that procedure. Planes could possibly fly 1 or 2 degrees offset from the runway heading, which might reduce the possibility of coming to close to an object on the runway and also prevent a landing plane from catching up on a departing plane. I understand that obstacles away from the field may play a role in those decisions. It would good to get a reply from those working in ATC. Thanks.
You should look into the airmiss over London c.2010. They've kept it very quiet.... It was a departing BACF Embraer from London City, an inbound BA Airbus, and a Home Office sneaky beaky Islander disrupting things. The TCAS gave up, and the CF pilot manoevered against the RA to miss the Airbus. Funny thing is, both crews ended up in the same bar at Oslo! Let's see a video about that.
Can you get me a flight number or something
I landed in Heathrow on the 29th of last month. The aircraft I was on did this weird circle approach and then went to land. Probably to avoid something like this?
They fly in a holding pattern (designated area) to stay safe while waiting until they're cleared to land when it's too busy.
I recall seeing another incident where a UA 787 was landing at Charles de Gaulle and was lined up for the wrong runway. A pilot of an A320 on the ground saw something was wrong and called out a go around. Mentor Pilot Easyjet A320 tells United 787 to go around.
This sounds a lot like some of the accidents where trainee and supervisor pilots haven't sorted out their respective responsibilities
For the algorithm!!
Going by this video, the 747 was never cleared to land. The last transmission mentioned to BA flight 6 prior to the ATC-go-around-call by was "Speedbird 6, keep it coming, there is one to roll, the wind 070, 8 knots" - that is *not* a landing clearance, because crucially it is lacking the terms "cleared to land" and "runway 09R".
So, why didn't the 747 go around on their own terms?
Good point. No landing clearance was given and the crew decided to go-around just before the controller ordered them to do so. From the official report
"The commander [747] then saw an aircraft [Lufthansa] and understood that to be the relevant aircraft [last to depart before he landed]. He expected landing clearance once that aircraft lifted off and that view was reinforced when the controller called "keep it coming, there's one to roll". However as Speedbird 6 approached about 200 feet agl, the commander saw another aircraft lined up on the runway ... the commander later commented that this aircraft was difficult to see against the runway surface. As the crew initiated a go-around, the controller also called for them to go-around."
14 Tom Cruises? Christ, one is more than enough. Seems like the kinda unit where you want more, not less.
Too close for comfort. There appears to be one from the A321 and one from the 747 in the comments. Glad you're all still with us.
This is not a near disaster. It happens all the time. The system worked. Go-arounds are standard procedure. It proves that the real person in charge of an aircraft is not ATC. It is the Captain.
I saw one of these at Sydney airport. It looked scary but I am sure that the pilots of both aircraft were unfazed. That is why aircraft have front windows. So the pilots can see each other’s aircraft.
You could argue that in bad conditions this does not work, bur that is why they have visibility minimums. No pilot lands on a runway blind.
A near disaster was the Emirates that almost did not get airborne at Melbourne Airport in 2009 because of pilot error. It was a close run thing. It almost trimmed the trees as it returned to land. That got media coverage for a day and was soon forgotten.
I follow the news and can’t recall this being reported in the media (quite possible it was but briefly and not much severity attached to story). Usual scenario of ‘training on the job’ in my opinion to save money…safety takes second place to profit!!!
Imagine flying A320 and looking at your rear view mirror and seeing 747 Jumbo Jet barreling down on you! I guess that's why they don't install rear view mirrors in airplanes.
The report produced by the AAIB makes interesting reading.
Well done 👏 controllers....Am controller in muscat International Airport..alot of fun alone of sterss😂😂❤
Interesting, they also push traffic separation in The UK. Traffic on a 4 mile final, and they cock the runway.
Shouldn't the pilot of the landing 747 go around on seeing plane entering runway, as runway incursion? Why wait till it descends so much, i mean the capital is in command if its unsafe approach he should go around, unless its not visible
Gulf air cabin crew..1978 santa 12:13 cruz bombay and Aero Mexico pax 1985..both a little un.nerving
“14 Tom Cruise’s…” 🤣🤣🤣 Best means of measurement, ever!!!
But what if the departing plane needs to abort taking off? There's a possibility to get very dangerous situation here.
If the sequence had been managed correctly the A321 would not have been on the runway and the Lufthansa aircraft would have been at least 2 miles further away, having departed at least a minute before the arrival of the BA 747. If Lufthansa had aborted, the controllers would have had at least a minute's notice of the need for BA to go around instead of a handful of seconds.
Please stop and think. These procedures are thought through and devised very carefully by people who know what they are doing, with due consideration given to all possible eventualities. The procedures have safety margins and margins for error built into them.
My preferred unit of height is John Wicks. Please adjust your video to reflect this.
Two spacecraft should never be closer than ten Jeb Kermans from each other.
@@AdrianColley The problem in using the Jeb measurement is that 1/3 of the time he's shorter from the ludicrous acceleration from to many boosters, 1/3 he's taller from being stranded in space for years and the remaining 1/3 he's more of an Ikea furniture Jeb, some assembly required.
I understand ATC using different runways, but why would the BA pilot specifically request to land on a departing runway?
Just my personal experience- I don't go through LHR. Too much traffic and winds. FRA and AMS are my favorite.
So thanks to the supervising controller, who was ultimately in charge, knowing he had messed up, stepping in on the trainee then the accident was averted? Right. The clue was in his title, supervising controller.
He should either have taken over immediately or asked the trainee what her plan was and checked that it was appropriate. He did neither.
But Tom Cruise is NOT a universal measure of height.
So this is what that inspired the mid air collision in ‘The Day Britain Stopped’
Technically CDG is the busiest airport in Europe since it's actually in Europe unlike Heathrow.
2:04 handed over to departure when they were on final approach?
Arrivals and departures are handled from the same place - at Heathrow it is a room in the tower. One side of the room does departures, the other side does approaches.
Why did the 747 want to land on that specific runway to begin with?
Probably shorter taxi.
@@BobbyGeneric145 Jump the arrivals queue, get on the ground sooner.
At Kew gardens you can see them right above 1 a minute