The Passenger Plane That Fell Off A Cliff | Air Greenland 3205 [BONUS VIDEO]
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 14 май 2023
- Help Support The Channel!: / miniaci
Join My Discord: / discord
This is the story of air greenland flight 3205 . Flight 3205 was a domestic flight in greenland flying from Kangerlussaq to ilulissat airport on the 29th of january 2014 . Flights on the day before had given the pilots some concern about flying into ilulissat airport as the day before they had to divert to kangerlussuaq due to bad weather at ilulissat. So before the pilots left on the 29th they were in contact with people on the ground at Ilulissat to make sure that the weather was favorable a landing. With the weather looking good and diversion airports sorted out flight 3205 left kangerlussuaq at 11:06 am UTC.
As the crew flew towards ilulissat they got weather updates from the ground, it was a cold day at -9 degrees celsius or 15 degrees fahrenheit and the wind was 20 knots gusting to 30, nothing that the dash 8 couldnt handle. The crew also talked about the approach that theyd be carrying out, theyd be attempting a visual approach to runway 07 but the approach to runway 07 here is a bit special, usually the approach angle to a runway is about 3 degrees but here its 5.1 degrees making for a much steeper approach to the runway. The crew also talked about the weather, the wind in particular. If the wind hit 31 knots then they decided that theyd abandon the approach and try again.
With that the crew started their descent and started to prep the plane for landing, they extended the flaps to 15 degrees and went over the data for the landing. At 11:33 am the crew tuned into the AFIS or the aerodrome flight information service at ilulissat, the AFIS is basically a radio channel on which you can get important information about the airport to all. It sends out things like wind conditions cloud cover runway in use temperature dew point etc. for the crew it was good news the AFIS told them that the wind was at 24 knots well below their threshold of 31 knots. But the winds could still gust all the way upto 35 knots so theyd have to be careful. Soon they were lined up to runway 07. 5 miles from the runway the the wind was at 26 knots and gusting to 35 knots at sometimes, the captain disengaged the autopilot and began to handfly the airplane down to the runway.
As the plane was 1000 feet above the ground the first officer wrapped up the landing checklist and the captain focused on keeping the plane lined up with the runway. As the plane descended it was buffeted by turbulence. But they carried on with the landing. 20 feet from the ground the engines were pulled back to idle and the plane touched down hard. As it did the left main landing gear on the dash 8 collapsed, As the plane dragged along the runway the pilots were starting to lose directional control of the plane. The pilots felt that the plane just wasn't decelerating fast enough. In his desperation the first officer called for the parking brake, he needed to stop this plane somehow. But it was of no use the plane still had way too much speed. Knowing that the plane would be going off the runway one way or another the first officer cut fuel flow to the engines in an attempt to prevent a fire. But it was the end of the roaad for flight 3205, the plane skidded right towards a drop off to the left of the runway and went overboard at a speed of 40 knots and fell 30 feet. In the cabin the crew immediately initiated an evacuation. They were able to get everyone out in just 30 seconds, thankfully All 15 people onboard survived.
To understand what had happened The investigators honed in on the weather at ilulissat at the time of the landing. According to the operators manual the pilots could land in winds up to 31 knots. But the winds at the time of landing were a bit higher than that gusting upto 35 knots. But this captain wasnt allowed to land the dash 8 in a 31 knot cross wind. He had only become a captain on the dash 8 in 2013 and until he had completed 100 hours on the type hed be considered an inexperienced commander and as per the company’s operation manual inexperienced commanders could only land in crosswinds upto 25 knots. So any way you look at this flight 3205 should not have been landing at ilulissat that day. 
Наука
Made this video more than a year ago! Decided to release it right now cause im waiting for this weeks video to render! So this week might have two videos! Enjoy!
A pleasant surprise for us!
Would it be too much to ask that you learn to be polite and start by saying "Welcome" or "Hi guys!" or if it's too much, just "Hi!" either as the first thing in the video or after a short intro? Didn't mother teach manners? Nowadays there are people who forget such things. It's amazing that you manage to thank the viewers at the end. You are taking steps for the worse, and more of these things will happen. It doesn't stop there! Bible prophecies will come true - and this is one thing that precedes the "last days":
"But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God,," (2 Timothy 3:1-4) ...So there is nothing surprising here.
Yay!
But WAIT!
THERE’S MORE?!😂
This would be the only ‘infomercial’ I would ever get excited about!
I really enjoy and appreciate all the effort you put into these great videos!
I really like your method of introduction.
Nothing grabs my attention faster than that one single word…
“THIS…”❤
At least they handled the situation perfectly once they realized there was no going back, had the fuel not been shut off and the evacuation not be so fast, there’s no telling how badly it could’ve ended!
Huh, it just occurs to me that the summit fever that kills so many mountaineers is an example of Target Fixation. I had no idea the concept existed beyond mountaineering.
fairly sure it does in traffic
One of the issues in this one, accidentally triggering the flight idle gate (the little triggers under the power levers), has happened in a few DHC-8s, like the PNG Flight 1600, it can cause some horrendous issues and it eventually led to there being a beta-lockout installation mandatory worldwide.
Not that this was the only issue of Air Greenland 3205, but was something I found really interesting.
If I can suggest a video idea - I think Ural Airlines U6178 would make for an interesting one (the 2019 incident where they were able to land an Airbus on a corn field).
Talk about a maize? I tried.
@@hadincooper2118 That joke was so corny
Hope the farmer was insured for loss of crop.😊
@@hadincooper2118 lol!!
@@insanimal2 ok lol for you too!
LOL I realize there is nothing you can do about this, but for several years I flew the C-130 with the RDAF and was even based with Luftgruppe Vest at SFJ; I can assure you that there was not then, nor is there now - a single solitary tree ANYWHERE to be found there. I love that simulations practically have "Kangerloo" situated in a virtual forest.
SFJ?
SFJ is the airport idenitfier for Kangerlussuaq; in Danish it's called Sondre Stromfjord
@@allanjensen1195 Who the hell would know that?
Actually there is a very small 'forrest' a few miles from Kangerlussuaq, planted in the 60-70's as part of an Experiment, and they are still there. They are small 6-8 ft after 50 years.
It never ceases to amaze me to hear of the almost limitless number of incidents caused by that focus on landing and not instigating the go-around - especially when it is revealed that the crew had done everything to wedge a square peg into a round hole by forcing the aircraft into a wide variety of extreme vectors to get an obviously less than ideal approach to end up more or less right - no doubt even worse has happened (most likely continues to) and it works out ok but this sort of thing WILL occur more often as a consequence and when it does, people will get hurt so I hope however much experience pilots accrue, there's something in the 7 year post-qualification refresher training or check exam that looks at that specifically.....
the dash 8 is a tank. im from eastern WA and we always fly on them to get to bigger airports to go anywhere. they are a bit chilly but have more room than a 737/a320. better views coz the wings are high and in my opinion less fire risk from the wings getting sheered off. landing gear look massive for the size of the plane. to me thats the difference between AA flight 670
Wow, I've been on that flight (six years before)! It's a fun approach.
Ooh, potentially two videos this week... I'm excited! Istg I've watched so many of these (and similar videos from other channels) that every time my husband hears I'm listening to one, he jokes "Final destiny episode ____!" XD thanks for the great content and the simplicity with which you describe this!
Thank you for your work putting this together.
Excellent videos. Safer seems more correct than more safe.
This time I feel like 'bad captain'. Way to many faults without any good response. There was no reason for a high workload in those circumstances, if the plane was stabilized. Go around yes, not reverse propellers!
yeah it was a bunch of little mistakes that ended up being a major fuck up
I think it's a clear example of "inexperience"... and the lack of seasoning that comes with it. Until you get into a few close calls and scrapes, you simply don't know what you don't know to do... and there are things you CAN NOT POSSIBLY KNOW about yourself before you've faced that situation... Only afterward can you realize your issues, and do any useful work on them. It sucks, but there's only so much progress than can be made so fast. ;o)
@@gnarthdarkanen7464 "Until you get into a few close calls and scrapes, you simply don't know what you don't know to do". If only he had done a stabilized approach with go around as option, he would not have needed any additional 'close call' knowledge. Pilots train special cases to add those unknown situations to there repertoire.
I understand that making sound decisions under time pressure is very hard, but that's also why I am not a pilot let alone a captain. ;-)
@@selvammatthys It comes down (eventually) to human nature. You can be told and Told and TOLD about how "every landing is a go around until you commit to landing..." blah-blah-blah... BUT until you've gotten an approach that's just off the rails enough that you submit and make that call, "Just go around"... it's a fault you'll find in yourself...
"The first time is ALWAYS the hardest." I reference this not just in go-around's but on every rough scrape and hard life lesson you'll ever get. It's a fact of life, and it carries right to something as g** d*** simple as taking the go-around rather than further raising the workload and risk of upset rather than landing...
NOBODY's going to give a sh*t about your go-around BUT YOU... Still, it's "admitting defeat"... AND it'll sit there in your head, rent free, exactly as that. For some people, that's THE hardest thing in the world... just accepting "this ain't working out" and backing off to try again "from the top"...
SO... for better AND worse, it's like I said. Until you've been through a close call or scrape... Until you've been around a bend or two, you have no f*cking idea what it is that you simply (as yet) do NOT know how or what to do...
In THIS case, an inexperienced Captain just nudged beyond his capacity in airmanship, and things got just sideways enough for a scrape. He lacked the seasoning (up to now) for it, and he got it at the cost of some repairs and paint, and scaring the bejeezus out of a bunch of people on his plane... probably a solid bitching out at Company HQ.
I'll guarantee you, the next time he even doubts the approach, "We'll just take a go-around" will be on his lips before he even scrapes close to "minimals"... He got his seasoning that day. His co-pilot got some seasoning, too... They'll be better pilots going forward, and some of exactly these kinds of lessons can NOT be gotten in class, out of books, or in the sim'... It's not real enough until it's "getting too real". ;o)
That would have been absolutely terrifying...glad everybody was okay! Thank you for sharing!! 🛩😊
Possibly bonus video? Oooh I'm excited
Excellent commentary on the crash and it’s cause.
thanks for the video
I think that the cabin crew were the MVP in this story. That's cool.
Fun fact - my Grandpa wrote off a tank during WW2 by forgetting to put the brake on as he got out, after which it promptly fell off a cliff. He also claimed to have written off a second tank during that time, in a similar scenario, though we’ve only seen evidence of the first one. Clearly not being a good fit as a tank driver, he was rewarded with a promotion to batman - in his words “so they could their fecking eyes on me”. As far as I can tell he didn’t actually injure or kill anyone throughout his service - whether that was because of his ineptitude or in spite of it, we will probably never know.
I like your "real" grandpa, not the story book ones.
to make landings safer OR to make landings more safe (first option better)
Oh, we’re picky aren’t we? Couldn’t help but notice that too. Lol.
@@mandywalkden-brown7250 hahah just trying yo help him out a little bit
Great video as usual. Keep it up!
A real cliff-hanger.
I’m not a violent person but with the last 2 videos you’ve done, the simple solution was just Go-Round. I do think there’s a case for a sharp smack to the face if the alternative is crashing the plane. Just to bring pilots out of whatever reverie or illusion they have fallen under.
I've really enjoyed the content. Thank you.
Amazing job on those names
Finally the video we waiting to watch it’s here thanks
I'm not a pilot, so forgive me for asking this. If the plane is certified to fly in winds up to 31 knots, does this include the gusts? Cause if they heard gusts to 39 info, they shouldn't have attempted landing there at all. But if the certification only includes the general wind conditions minus the gusts, then it should have been fine. If that makes sense.
Maximum of 31 kts for crosswinds so should have been a go around. Also, PIC of this flight was not to attempt landing with crosswind (including gusts) to a maximum of 25 kts.
I’m fortunate to have a couple decades of airline flying under my belt, including a couple of happy years on the dash 8. Inexperience was definitely a contributing factor. However, any pilot, irrespective of experience, is susceptible to falling into this trap. Their initial error/wrong decision was to continue the approach even though the wind was out of limits. They should have been clear as a crew at what point they would decide if the conditions were good enough and what action to take at that point depending on the circumstances. Once they had made that error they went down a path where it got harder and harder to reverse the decision. After that, the entirety of the accident was caused by human nature and psychology. Good training can mitigate against this but it takes real discipline.
Let me tell you, flying a difficult approach (and this one is) on the limits is stressful. Both those guys will have been filled with adrenaline and probably thought it was doable until it was to late. I think they got themselves into a position where decision to change the plan and go around was too much. In that instant they felt the only option was to continue.
I bet there are plenty of experienced pilots who have landed off a difficult approach and then reflected on it and realised they shouldn’t have!
On this day these guys didn’t get away with it but at least everyone lived.
Another great video. 👍
At least the captain had luck on his side when it came to the most important part that day, that they all got out of it alive.
"This...
Is a story all about how my life got twisted, turned upside down!"
"And I'd like to take a minute, just sit right there, I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel Air!" 😂
Pilot error ---- he tried to be a hero but went to zero
actually he tried to be zero (altitude) 😅
Not that it matters, but GL3205 actually departed from Upernavik airport (BGUK)
I had just finished my training as AFISO a few days prior in BGUK when GL3205 departed from Upernavik. I heard about the incident after my shift that late afternoon in the news if I remember correctly.
What i like about the Dash as well as on the Fokker is the main gear under the engine nacelles, moving the main gear outwards with a pretty high X-wind limmit as a result. Still of course you gotta understand what you're doing !
Unstabelized landing with PAX hmmm... maybe go for the option ?
PAX?
Dear, you're on the Internet. If, after all this time trolling aviation channels, you STILL haven't learned the language, try Google.
@@K1OIK PAX aviation term for 'passengers'
@@mbvoelker8448 How good is your Dutch ?
Burt is a known troll who has been trolling aviation channels demanding definitions and whining about the use of common aviation terms for months or years. :)
Adding my appreciation for another great video! (And please ignore the nasty comments from the “trollus amongus”.)
I learned target fixation the hardway when I was 19.
That said, I have been very very aware of the concept ever since, and if I feel like I'm doing it, I break and recheck everything. Just in life itself.
I think the pronounciation of the greenlandish q is not that one we would expect. It is different
I am curious if the wings caught any lift when going off the cliff for that 30 foot fall and if the wings helped soften the landing.
It's too slow and too short (thankfully)
The plane basically act like brick
My thinking: No appreciable lift at 40 kts, but maybe a little parachute effect. The gear and belly probably also absorbed some of the impact.
Great video! Thank You. 😁
-9 C in jan in ilulissat is actually quite warm, as the normal is around -15 C
At least, it was good thinking to cut off the fuel when the plane was headed off the runway. Other than that.... not so much.
3:54, Knots, Wind speed, and gusts are all different unit. Hard to know how they compare given the weather on the day and the plain speed/angle.
Having flown this route a few times, it can be very turbulent, think rollercoaster 😉
Thanks for another GREAT video!
Here's where I had no idea that Greenland had its own airlines.
They even have a brand new Airbus A 330-800NEO for flights back and forth to Denmark
I love these episodes, when no one ist being hurt :) //
Bonus video?
they all walked away? aw man!
Make video on Alliance air flight which landed almost on the other side of threshold at Jabalpur, india
Sounds like they went from „Lubisad“ to „Lubisad“ 😅 no wonder they fell down the cliff, they thought they arrived, before even leaving
Shouldn't a captain within that first 100 hours be paired with a more experienced first officer? It sounds like these two were both inexperienced.
You refer to wind speed and crosswind limits but, forgive me if I missed something, I heard nothing about the wind direction at the time of the accident. You say that the captain's limit was a crosswind limit. A 35kt wind straight down the runway represents 0kt crosswind. Please clarify. I would imagine that in that part of the world weather reports from the previous day are about as useful as weather reports from the Canaries and that you really won't know what its like until you get there !
QWhat would have happened if the pilot had almost immediately gone for gear up when the left strut failed?
More safer?
Some sort of bot should track the previous experiences of pilots and warn of possible target fixation.
Hmm.. Air Greenland is located in Greenland
Atlantic Airways is to my knowledge located at Faroe Islands.. ;-)
I really think we need a third person in the cockpit again; the workload is too much if anything goes wrong during an already stressful situation, where the workload seems almost too much in itself. We are only human, after all. Just my two cents.
“More safe;” not “more safer.” Did you graduate high school?
30 feet???
The last minutes of Flight 93 crashing into the Pennsylvania abandoned mine shaft rendering the black boxes and bodies irretrievable would be interesting. Fascinating physics going on there.
Please stick with legit news sources. 93 crashed into an area with mines but not into an actual mine shaft. Both black boxes were recovered. Human remains were recovered though incomplete in small pieces, not surprising considering the plane crashed at full speed straight into the ground and buried itself in a crater.
@@Sashazur Right just like the WMD in Iraq.
@@naughtiusmaximus830 Don't mention 9/11!
@@Sashazur Let me guess: The black boxes were unreadable. How do we know the plane was at full speed? Even if it was black boxes have survived much worse. Same with the Pentagon attack.
5:59 - More safer.... wat
“The afis” hahah it’s the ATIS
any way to get the pilot out of that focus-on-landing? any instrument telling them to go around? by the way, people down here think it is sooo risky ruclips.net/video/gol9bDhEhMY/видео.html perhaps we do not have such gales so often
The flight should not have been dispatched.
How awful to destroy such a beautiful plane
Pilot: by golly we're going to land! I don't care if it kills us!
Those switches are real bitches!! 😂
0:43 11:46 AM UTC??😂
In summary, gross negligence but they got lucky.
Get thereitis.
for an airplane, 30 feet isn't so bad
Classic case of tunnel vision.
No, the crew heard 39 knots, they just had "get on the ground" fixation
Dare I say it? The Captain in that moment became a Beta (as in he put the propellers into Beta range and the plane sank like a stone).
First!
SECOND :DDD