How This Drunk Captain Ripped His Plane Apart | Mystery In Canada
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This is the story of carson air flight 66. Carson air flight 66 is one of the many flights in canada that criss-cross the country bringing needed supplies to the smaller communities spread across the country. More often than not these flights stop in multiple cities bringing in goods and cargo from the bigger cities to the smaller ones. Look at the stops of carson air flight 66, it started out in vancouver and it was headed to fort st john, with stops at prince george and dawson creek. On monday the 15th of august 2015, the pilots of flight 66 got to vancouver international airport after a weekend of not flying. The first officer was the one who was first in and he started prepping the plane for the days flights, the captain followed suit not long after. The captain and first officer then finished loading the cargo for the flights and then started up the engines on the swearingen SA226. After a quick taxi the airplane was at the runway at vacouver. After the takeoff run was started the plane took off about 2800 to 3000 feet down the runway. Once in the air flight 66 was in contact with flight was in contact with departure. Once in the air the flight was vectored to the north and slowly it was cleared upto its cruising altitude of 20000 feet. On the controllers screen flight 66 began the climb from 7500 feet, when it was passing through 8700 feet the plane disappeared from the radar screens at vancouver. The plane had only been in the air for about 7 minutes and then it went off line with no distress call no nothing. Flight 66 had been absolutely normal until it disappeared, the plane had been climbing normally at 1500 feet per minute, and the speed was about 180 knots. Nothing out of the ordinary for a sa226 flying this route and then it disappeared. The last few radar returns had caught the final moments of flight 66, the sweringen had gone into an abrupt steep descent and it showed no signs of leveling out. The wreck of the plane was found in a dberis field that was 1400 feet by 1000 feet on a mountain, they noticed that the lighter less massive components of the wreck was situated at the start of the debris field and the more massive parts were further down the debris field. This meant that the plane had started to break up in the air before it hit the ground and the reason for that was aerodynamic stresses. They calculated that the plane started diving towards the ground at 30000 feet per minute. This was more than enough force to rip the swearingen to shreds before they even hit the ground. Whats even more interesting is that the damage to the plane was symmetrical, this was a symptom of high energy rotational damage. Then in the remains of the cockpit the investigators found something interesting, the trim switches, the trim system was commanding maximum nose down trim at the moment of impact. For those of you that dont know trim is used to keep the plane level, if you trim the plane nose up then the plane will have a natural tendency to nose up even if you dont touch the controls and likewise if you trim the plane nose down the plane will nose down. This was very strange why would a plane that was in a dive have its nose be trimmed down as well? That would be like a driver stepping on the gas to stop the car, in a situation like this you expect to see the nose in a nose up position. Since the plane was going to be in cold conditions the investigators looked at the deicing system of the plane, if something had blocked the deicing system then the instruments could have given the pilots wrong information that could have caused them to inadvertently point the plane down. This has happened before. But looking at carson air procedresthye found out that the captain would have had to turn on the deicing system and check that it was on multiple times. The chances of them taking off without their deicing system on was very very slim. But the radar return of the plane poked a few holes in that theory, the plane nose dived in a very level way, that is the wings were level, this would have exerted negative Gs on the pilots in such a way that they would have known exactly what was happening to the plane that they were 
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I read the TSB final report on this. The pilots were coming off a 2 day weekend. All of the people interview said the both appeared in good spirits with no abnormal behavior. It also said the weather was very bad which hampered rescue effort and the pilots were flying IFR. Another thing is said was that the copilot was likely pilot flying. The other thing that was not mentioned was that after the complaint the pilot had to fly with a check pilot before he was cleared to fly. It also said that it was only the 8th flight on type for the co pilot. Also the co pilot toxicology came back clean. This accident is just as likely an instrument failure or a failure of the pilot flying to correctly read the instruments. It is very easy to get disoriented in IFR conditions. While it is likely the condition of the captain played a role, more had to go wrong such as poor crm because the co pilot was clean.
I actually worked for Carsonair at the time and knew the pilots. One thing that was floated around by a lot of the senior management was that the rear cargo door was not latched properly. They were saying that the door popped open and shredded the tail section. It would explain the rapid decent. Furthermore, those aircraft fly like freaking tanks and are extremely heavy on the controls. You would need super human strength to overcome both the aerodynamic pressure and the weight of the controls in order to hold the aircraft in a dive like that.
@@billwilliams7970 But no Mayday call?
@@billwilliams7970 @Bill Williams The report did not support this conclusion. 98% of the aircraft was recovered and there was no evidence of a component failure like that in the aft or mid all damage was consistent with aerodynamic overload resulting from the high speeds reached during the rapid descent. However the front of the aircraft was too damaged to rule out any pitot-static system failure. Which would be consistent with the unusual trim.
@@RossNixon if your aircraft broke up midair and you were plummeting at 30,000'/min.. I doubt you'd manage to get one out. You'd have much bigger issues to sort out. The saying is Aviate, Navigate, and then Communicate.
@@pah9134 like I said, it was just something upper management was floating around.
I flew this aircraft type for many years in the Canadian north. The aircraft has a stability augmentation system or “SAS”. There were more than one incident where this system would cause a runaway forward trim condition. On one occasion the pilots had to put their feet on the instrument panel in order to exert enough back pressure on the control column to keep control of the aircraft. It is highly likely this is what caused the accident. The alcohol would of course not have helped. Of note is that a habitual drinker does develop a tolerance to alcohol and may perform at an almost normal level with considerable alcohol in their system. I’ve seen this in some individuals….. Both pilots were probably fighting tremendous control forces as the aircraft nosed over and built up speed. Tragic.
Information from someone with experience on this plane and its failure modes really helps. As for alcohol tolerance, Dr. Jonny Fever at the controls.
It's certainly true what you say about tolerance to alcohol. I think everyone has known a habitual drinker and how much they could seem normal on. I drank for a dozen years and could sink a load before seeming drunk. Nowadays I drink about 4 pints a year (not at once!) and each one gets me a little tipsy
I heard from various aviation forums over the years that the Metroliner was at least mildly difficult to operate. Can’t imagine trying it while heavily drunk.
I've heard the same. It apparently has a tendency to bite without warning. I do wonder in this case, if icing was a factor. If they were fully trimmed AND and then had an elevator icing issue, that could put you in a deep dive. Also, if icing was a factor they might have had ailerons freezing and locking up in position. That would account for the straight-in dive into cumulus granite.
The law says 8 hours bottle to throttle but I observe 24.
I lived in suburban Vancouver at the time and followed this incident closely. The structure of aviation medicals discourages people from speaking up, even when they are fully justified in doing so. Say something -> lose your medical -> lose your job.
You might want to check the law again.
OIC changed it to 24 hours several years ago.
Not that it changed anything. People who broke the 8 hour rule are still breaking the 24 hour rule.
This is bullshit laura, from where do you have your info?
My personal philosophy has always been simple regarding drinking and operating any vehicle or similar equipment (dumptruck, front-end loader, etc...)... I don't get in or on the g** d*** thing without my "A-game ON"... period. If something's wrong, I'd rather get bitched at for "being silly about it" than die or kill someone for having more balls than brains...
It's not hard. If you're going to drive, don't drink. If you're going to drink, don't drive. It's not a difficult decision NOT to do something. Just be lazy, and as long as you're drunk, drink enough to say "F**k it. I'm not going..."
I get that there's this "disease" called addiction. AND yes, it sucks that there's real help out there and still a stigma for talking about it. Get over it. Some places have no space for EGO...
AND while we're here... Don't be scared to wreck someone's job. If they're that impaired, SPEAK THE F**K UP!!! I'd rather one drunkard jack-ass hates me for life than a bunch of people end up dead because I was too chickenshit afraid to call them out on it. "Okay, if that's not booze on your breath, take the f**kin' breathalyzer and PROVE me wrong. I can be a big boy and apologize if I made a mistake."
As a matter of fact, it might've been at a track-day, and it was motorcycles NOT airplanes... I could smell liquor and tracked it to a particular guy bragging up his brand new Liter-bike. He'd been part of the group giving me grief about riding a "little bitty 600"... whatever. Once I was confident who it was, I reported it to the on-track instructors. Turned out because they had EMS on-site, it wasn't difficult to get a breathalyzer and/or blood test on the spot. Dude blew .33 (something)... AND they barred him from the track, even gave him back his money, and required he be under observation by the Ambulance guys until someone showed up to take him and his bike home... The whole group got pissed, and they knew it was me who reported the guy... What almost escalated to a full-on fist-fight quickly got interrupted by the instructors who pointed out that we were there at the track to ride "balls-out", and a crash at those speeds carried a significant chance of life-altering or life ENDING injuries. The group was threatened with being banned for life... BUT they quieted down for a while. Several sessions later, after cooling off and riding a little bit, one of them came up to me and apologized for the whole situation. He then thanked me for possibly saving his best friend's life.
I'm not saying they'll always (or any of them) try to make amends or realize the errors of their ways or even apologize for putting you in a shitty position. Most of them probably won't, but YOU have to live with it, too. Sometimes... JUST sometimes, though, someone will voice their appreciation for you having the courage or brains or balls to step up and try to do the right thing by everyone. It's not nearly frequent enough, but when it does happen, it feels a hell of a lot better than the bad feels bad for all the bitching, whining, insults, excuses, and tirades that you're liable to absorb for trying your best.
Just remember (try to focus) that YOU have to live with smelling booze on someone and not stepping up... ;o)
@@calvinnickel9995 Your incorrect I am a pilot and Transport Canada mandates 12 hours “bottle to throttle”. HOWEVER if you are hungover you ARE not supposed to fly.
With that much alcohol in his system, the night before was probably drinking and little sleeping. Could be he passed out and slunched forward, hands still on the controls and nosed it over. Would help explain the flight path and in air breakup from over speed.
I drink a glass of wine and I’m asleep in 3 minutes.
Makes sense.
For a practiced drunk 0.24 is nothing special. Until the plane starts moving around a lot and you lose situational awareness it will clearly happen. No I have never been in that situation but I have talked to others who have. You become afraid of everything. Every buzz in your ear is a crisis.
@@toomanyuserids But exhaustion while being functionally drunk can mean falling asleep at the yoke.
But it still feels like a coverup to me, given how unlikely ultra drunk stable flying and perfectly level crashing is.
.24 for a seasoned alcoholic is not enough to make them sclumched forward let alone full pass-out.
What was the state of the F/O? It's hard to imagine sharing a cockpit with a drunk without noticing, especially if you have to cooperate on loading. It's possible that the captain moved his head suddenly and suffered the illusion that the machine was nose-up, so he pushed.
No answers to this?? Damn lol I came here to ask exactly that
Allegedly the captain was a functioning alcoholic, so my guess was the first officer was not able to notice. The TSB accident report stated some of the captains colleagues reported the smell of alcohol quite a few times. Scary
I wondered that, too. The FO should have taken over the controls.
These small cargo airlines tend to be a "seat of the pants" operation. Lots of questions and few answers on this story.
Was the FO drunk, too?
Was the captain committing suicide?
@@kp-oc5zf functioning alcoholic or not, the first officer should have noticed the plane was crashing. The cockpit would have been blaring with alarms under 1,000ft. especially with the gear up; the terrain warning would have been sounding nonstop from 500ft. He had to have been incapacitated. Murder-suicide?? 🤷♂️
Maybe they crashed the plane intentionally, and the captain was too drunk to stop them?
Lol I love the "I googled country name and drunk pilot" section. Watching these as a break from work and just laughed cause I think that's how I come across to my coworkers sometimes, when I'm on a call and they get to see my process in real time.
Shout out to the employee who mentioned the alcohol smell on the breath, I wonder why a *breathalyzer* wasn't done though? Seems like a report of suspicion should be followed up with that (and employees should be able to report anonymously if they suspect something - thinking like lower level airline folks or even airport store/restaurant staff, if a pilot is an alcoholic they might be savvy enough to hide it from other pilot and cabin crew coworkers who would be more comfortable reporting, might let their guard down as they go through the terminal - but those folks might not know who to report to or might worry about losing their jobs)
That employee who thought that he was drunk yet the captain's supervisor refused that idea:
Perhaps an HR contact to be able to report these potential (in this case real) problems immediately when any employee believes a pilot is unable to do their duty at that time.
Seconded. It also should be mandatory for a breathalyzer test - I know I've heard of another airline where if they're suspected that's the first go to, along with a certain number of random checks (because until it gets really bad it's called functional alcoholism for a reason. You can hide it really well, unless your response times are tested). If his liver was showing that much damage? No way he always got drunk and sobered up 100% while not on duty.
You can always call the police 999 in UK. I know of a flight attendant who did this when she smelled alcohol on the captain’s breath.
BAC of .24? That’s not just drinking. You have to work at it to get that high of a BAC. I’ve been in recovery for 17 years now. once upon a long time ago, I could get that high of a BAC; but, it takes time and effort. To be able to even pretend to function with that level of alcohol in your system means that you have been drinking heavily for a very long time and your systems have become used to the abuse. I think that perhaps this pilot had something deliberate in mind showing up in this condition. I know there’s no proof per se, but I would have suspicions.
I suspect that this was not the first time that the crew had over done it before flying. My money is on the cargo. Why was the AC so tail heavy ? That is a sloppy load. It slipped on take off so they just trimmed it out, full nose down. Then it slipped forward a bit and their speed built, tired and hung over they did not act until it was too late ? That trim setting indicates some sort of pitch issue was going on. Shame about the CVR.
I know cockpit voice recorders doesn't always help provide the investigators with answers, but whenever I hear about accidents like this one, I wish all planes had them.
This is a constant TSB recommendation.
I lived in Vancouver at the time. North Shore Rescue who were called on to search the mountains the plane went missing found it by smelling Av Fuel and eventually found one of the pilots by himself away from the wreckage. It's horrific to think about the horror of what took place prior to impact.
Did you say BAC - 0.24?! I'm a recovering alcoholic and I'm pretty sure that IF my BAC was ever that high, I would have had trouble just walking.
Yeah, he would have to have been a very heavily drinking alcoholic for many years to build up enough tolerance to functioning at that level. Non alcoholics like me would pass out long b4 I could get near that.
I hope you’re able to stay clean! Alcohol addiction is no joke. Best wishes to you
When I worked at walmart, a lot of the greeters were from down south, and some of them new people who worked on a crew logging timber off of mountains, then they would load it on the trucks and drive it down the mountain. The one guy said he knew a couple of guys who could drive better than they walk he said they would drive this big lumber truck down the entire mountain, and then parked the truck and get out of the cab and fall over because they were too drunk to walk. My guess is that the logging trail was just so familiar to them, and they were such an experience driver that they could do it in their sleep. That's not to say that that would be recommended though!
He never said, "BAC"
I agree, that’s pretty much toxic even for chronic alcoholics, yikes.
Am i missing something but if the captain was drunk what was the co pilot doing
Maybe he was locked out of the cabin, or helped it happen
He was making cocktails.
@@emjay9280 lol
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@@GFHanks Agreed. Very funny.
I think the comment that puts forward the "sloppy cargo" may be the ultimate cause of this accident - the alcohol issue just amplified the problem to a point where the possibility of overcoming the load issue was minimal.
Agreed. The OP says in the video that the captain and the FO finished loading the cargo. If that's the case, I can see a drunk individual improperly strapping down cargo. You'd think they'd have trained people to handle cargo loading.
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7:00 The effects of high altitude (low oxygen) makes the effects of alcohol even worse.
Even though the cabin was pressurized, typically they keep the cabin pressure equal to 8 to 10 thousand feet.
This would greatly increase the effects of alcohol. This is why the legal limit for BAC in a pilot is anything over 0.00.
I think the actual pilot limit is 0.2 vs 0.8 for drivers iirc
@@gamma_dablam From what I learned it was any BAC whatsoever.
Also, 0.2 would put most people on the floor, and 0.8 would defiantly put anyone in a grave.
I think you mean 0.02 and 0.08 (legal limit in the US)
Laws concerning legal limits outside the US may vary.
Yea, I just looked it up and 0.3 - 0.4 is considered potentially lethal.
Anything over 0.4 and you are at risk of coma and death from respiratory arrest.
Over 0.4% you are so drunk you body might forget to keep breathing!
I heard of a woman who bathed in high proof alcohol to treat her Covid. She absorbed the alcohol through her skin and quickly passed out. Her body continued to absorb the alcohol until she was found a couple of days later. Her BAC was over 1.5%
Not sure she would have even needed to be embalmed.
Seems this would be a good way to commit suicide, but not so much cure Covid.
It has to be at least 0.02 because everybody produces small amounts of EtOH in their gut. I am almost sure it isn’t 0.00, even for a pilot.
@@Sniperboy5551 Do you normally make assertions like this when you're not sure?
Must be nice, always being right.
Damn I just saw this in my notification feed. I used to watch your videos nearly 2 years ago. I’m very glad your channel is still around
No mention of the copilot…if the captain fell against the yoke or if there was a struggle…
That's what I wondered.
This is an open question in the TSB report.
Aside from the obvious, I found it odd that aircraft was loaded so tail-heavy that it required maximum trim to stay level; is this common? I would have assumed that it would be preferable to have at least *some* trim left for adjustment, and the cargo weight doesn't seem prohibitively heavy.
I wondered about that as well. I never flew the Metroliner but every transport jet I've flown (Lockheed & Boeings) and jump-seated on, has a pitch trim indicator with a green takeoff band. The takeoff trim is set according to the data on the load sheet and it's always in the green band. The takeoff trim range is about a quarter of the trim range with a large pad on both the nose up and nose down ends.
Trim is actually used to neutralize pressure on the controls at different airspeeds. In other words, a properly trimmed airplane will keep flying pretty much level at any given airspeed if it is properly trimmed. On a larger airplane trim can make the difference between fingertip flying and having the yoke turn into a fitness machine.
Yeah, I am kind of surprised that the creator of a channel like this doesn't understand how trimming works.
@@jimmydesouza4375 It's understandable if one has never learned to fly.
Wow 0.24..... I'd be drunk texting my boss long before that lol!
I’m confused as to why the first officer was never mentioned, I’m sure he would have taken over the plane if he saw the captain was incapacitated
That's what made me think about the Everglades crash when the flight crew were distracted trying to change an instrument light bulb and not fly the plane. I surprised he didn't mention that event. I was in a private plane once and the pilot was messing with a new piece of equipment and he flew into a restricted area. He had a plane full of pilots and never asked for help. Rule one is aviate. Rule 2 is navigate.
Drunk too.partied together?
Excellent breakdown and commentary.
No mention of the First Officer's action, or inaction? Did ATC detect anything wrong with the pilot?
They were flying in clouds at the time. The accident also occurred so suddenly that the F/O might not have been able to react
😔. Thank you for this educational video friend. Condolences to the families Rip.
This is my favorite channel to fall asleep to. Can't believe how many people use RUclips these days. I remember when it first came on the scene. You could put videos of stuff online. Now it's my main source of material to watch.
another great video mate
Having flown radio controlled aircraft, it became clear to me how dangerous a rear balance point can be if it is near limits. Pitch control becomes very sensitive and it is like balancing on a pivot. It doesn't take much disturbance (eg turbulence), to cross the aft balance limit and a violent reversal of controls can happen. The centre of lift moves ahead the centre of gravity so fast that structural damage can occur. If their cargo moved, it is likely a violent pitch change could result.
Correct, there have been other accidents over the last 10 years or so, where the AC had a severe negative COG and not enough elevator authority to get the nose down. They quickly reach a critical AOA and an aerodynamic stall at low altitude occurs. Jeez, I can't remember the accident location where this occurred not long ago. The Captain was an outstanding female pilot with an inexperienced FO as I recall. The airline had severely underestimated passenger and baggage weight. They had an 'avg' passenger weight that was almost ridiculous, so they could fill the aircraft. Anyone recall this one and where? Thanks-
@@bugsysdadenterprises Yes, I remember that. When the gear was retracted, it moved the balance point (already critical) rearward enough to make control impossible. Very sad affair.
You didn't mention how many hours the pilot had in the plane. Because the path was so stable I would guess suicide or passing out. Another possibility is the pilot stopped navigating to proform another task. Like we are all taught " when you fly the plane fly the plane." Remember the Florida Everglades crashed when the whole crew was working on a light bulb? Crap happens
Because of the clean descent, I would venture to guess that the autopilot was on, and the pilot set the target altitude to 0, and selected "vertical speed" mode and set it to a very high rate of descent. Alternatively, he could have selected "heading" mode, and manually dove the plane.
Another possibility that doesn't imply suicide, could have been that because of the full trim down, the plane exceeded its design specs, causing the elevator to break -- again, with the autopilot engaged on a heading, the plane would have continued flying straight. And no, not all autopilots disengage automatically.
Personally, I'm leaning to #3 above -- especially since there was no evidence of a struggle by the copilot to regain control.
With full trim down, an elevator break would lead to a sudden pitch up, not pitch down. But it could play some part on that.
Do these planes even have autopilots? Autopilots are heavy and expensive and there is a seat warmer which precludes the legal requirements for one.
And if there is one.. it’s probably not one that has a complex vertical speed mode. It’s probably vertical speed hold which means you either have to pitch it down with the pitch wheel or CWS and then hit VS or fly it down manually and then engage it.
Great video!😸
What was the first officer doing all that time? Just sit there and watch a drunk captain crash his plane just like that?
The big question for me is not why did the accident occur, or what can be done to prevent another similar case, but what was the First Officer doing?! Was he drunk too? Even if he wasn’t, surely he was capable of at least calling ATC or calling a Mayday? After Germanwings there was a rule for airlines to ensure 2 people were in the cockpit at all times. If this was deliberate, then that didn’t do much good did it? I can’t believe the First Officer needed to use the bathroom after 7 minutes if flight and got locked out of the cockpit! It’s a pity there were no black boxes.
Aviate navigate communicate... in that order
You won't find a bathroom or lockable cockpit door on a Metroliner.
@@58biggles I won’t ?
@@moiraatkinson yes on a cargo metroliner there is no bathroom, even a passenger carrying metroliner does not have a bathroom. And there is no cockpit door on this aircraft because it's so small.
@@AccessAir thanks for the information 😊
Very good video on this flight that is close to home. Live on SE coast of Vancouver Island and always listen to YVR ATC.
The co-pilot had just started with Carson the previous month after being with, I believe, Air Tindi out of Yellowknife in the Yukon Territories.
The fact that this was abrupt, unwavering and NO distress call has to me always pointed to planned and criminal.
The co-pilot was super excited to be working out of Vancouver as that is where he had family.
No distress call leads me to only one reason. The co-pilot may have been incapacitated by the captain who decided to end it all and couldn’t care less about some new guy just starting. No throttle cut-off, no mayday, no sign of any attempt to save the aircraft.
Murder
Suicide
Tragic.
This one still hurts thinking that the first officer never got to fulfill his dreams.😞
The shiftong cargo theory seems more likely to me. Especially since the drink pilot also took pzrt in securing the cargo. The new (not drunk) guy might not have known his reputation and probably didn’t check his partners work.
I am not condoning drinking and driving in anyway but at my highschool they did a drunk driving drive for anyone that had a license to sign up. Pretty much everyone that could do it did it. For those that don't know it's a real car that you drive around on a course that simulates drunk driving. It literally slows down your reaction time by having a delay for the controls... Things like the car won't let you turn or brake with normal reaction time... The steering wheel would lock or the break would lock and only after a period of time would it would unlock the steering and or brakes. You drive it around a course and the would have obstacles that simulates people walking into the road... Other cars ect.. I was the only person that was able to complete the course without hitting anything and staying on the course. But I was able to see others before me so I kinda knew where things would be happening and where others ran off the course... As a joke I was saying that I got my license to drink and drive... But really I would have done similar things as everyone else if I went into it blind. But at the time I did think that it wasn't a good representation of drunk driving but after many years now it was. It was simulating not a loss of motor skills but getting distracted because you let your guard down because of not paying attention cause when your drunk you do things like go to change radio station and easily lose track of time by looking down too long then look up and see something and make quick sudden movements to the steering wheel that makes you loose control. That's where the danger of drunk driving happens... you lose focus of your situational awareness or even fall asleep if it's late or you drank a lot. I had a friend whose brother was drinking and driving and panicked and took off and during the chase he crashed and ended up killing someone. Went to prison for 10yrs. Happened little after I got my license and I used that as my thing to think about to let myself know not to drive. It's much better to be 60min late down here than to be 60yrs early up there
A 30,000 feet per minute dive would have certainly resulted in the pilots experiencing big negative g-forces. I don't know the math but that seems steep enough to have made them weightless. I really hope they would have noticed something was wrong if they started floating out of their seats.
as high as they were from the alcohol, they wouldn't have noticed.
He got drunker than a skunk and decided to end it all. The industry could very easily install a interlock on their planes like done on cars.
With a BAC of 2.4 and in the pressurized cockpit, I believe the pilot passed out. That would point to the lack of inputs as the plane was diving. The unexplained aspect is what happened to the copilot?
BAC?
@@K1OIK Blood Alcohol Content
@@K1OIK "Blood Alcohol Content"
@@mouzerofficial I wonder what he did with the time he saved not typing lood lcohol ontent
and being clear?
@@jimcronin2043 I wonder what you did with the time you saved not typing lood lcohol ontent
and being clear?
Cheap thrills but I got the 100th like! Thank you MACI for yet another brilliant video!
It all points to the Captain's very severe alcohol intoxication, no doubt but... what was the state of the First Officer? Was he also drunk? Did both of them have a suicide pact? Was the First Officer the only suicidal one but not intoxicated and he took advantage of the Captain's intoxication and therefore weakness to overpoiwerr the plane into a controlled crash? A mystery. And we lack a CVR...
A blood alcohol test way BEFORE leaving to go do a flight is a good idea.
Another great video thanks. What about the plane that went into the baltic sea a day or so ago. Ghost plane. That would be a good one to cover.
Maybe the First Officer did it intentionally, and the captain was too drunk to stop them?
I was going to comment this.
With that amount of trim, I wonder how steep/fast the dive would need to be before the pilots didn’t have the physical strength to pull out. Anybody got any idea?
I think a sudden change in CoG is the most likely cause. A shifting cargo causing a trim issue is a positive feedback loop: the more nose-down she goes, the more the cargo shifts to make her even more nose heavy. It’s a situation that can be both sudden and catastrophic.
They make breathalyzers for a reason. You could very easily test every pilot every time they fly. They do the same thing with cars to stop people who have had DUI's from driving drunk.
Pilots, ALL PILOTS should be required to take a breathalyzer before each flight. Even if it's only a cargo flight with two in the cockpit. A drunk pilot not only puts the passengers on the plane in jeopardy but those on the ground as well.
Great idea!!!🙏😢🛫⚖️😵💫
So punish the innocent for the crimes of the few guilty there are?
Comrade Stalin would be proud.
@@hariman7727 How is blowing into a device before a task of high responsibility a “punishment”?!? That sounds awfully like an alcoholic defending his “right” to put others at risk, and disregarding the rights of others to live free of that unnecessary danger.
@@hariman7727 Look, if I'm flying in a plane, piloted by someone else at 30,000 feet or more flying at 500mph, I want to be ASSURED the person in the cockpit is straight! To put the lives of up to 400 people in the air and countless on the ground at risk is inexcusable. It IS the kind of thing your buddy Putin would do!
@@anhedonianepiphany5588 the problem lies in the fact that you give the police and government power to search someone who is innocent because they suspect they might have committed a crime.
The United States Constitution specifically forbids that, because that sort of search has been used to persecute people for pretty much the whole of human history when people gain power.
Also, that system introduces another point of failure.
What happens when the safety interlock malfunctions and controls lock in the middle of the air with 150 people aboard the plane?
Random testing is good in theory, but in practice a lot of it gets suborned just because the people overseeing it are often not as independent as they should be and therefor have direct incentives to make sure that there are no positive tests. So people get warned of testing, tests are faked, etc.
Basically, if an airline is responsible for maintaining their own drug/alcohol testing program it absolutely cannot be trusted to be on the level.
Mandatory breathe test for all pilots before take off! If pilots know they have NO chance of getting away with it, they won't take the risk. Could the captain have just fell asleep and just fell on the column pushing it full forward?
One day closer to MACI's 200k live-stream flight from Tuxtla (TGZ) to Lincoln (LNK) in his TU-144.
We can't wait!
Clearly a regular heavy drinker to have a blood alcohol level like that and not be a totally incoherent staggering mess. You normally don’t need a breath tester to tell that someone is that drunk.
Yes, only a regular heavy drinker could still be functional at that BAC
Considering how violent the crash was, how did they even find enough remains of the captain to do an autopsy that confirmed the blood alcohol level???
Cool stealth paint scheme.
I hope it was the forces tearing the plane apart and not the pilot him self😳( also, great video. As always)
It's possible that the plane suffered a runaway trim event and the negative Gs instantly incapacitated the pilot and co-pilot.
It's hard to imagine that they both wanted to commit suicide. It's also hard to imagine that no one noticed the pilot was that drunk. Especially the co-pilot.
I wonder if it wasn't a suicide on the part of the Co-pilot, and it just so happened that the pilot was drunk.
The co-pilot might have been the pilot flying and when he put the plane into a nosedive the pilot was just too drunk to do anything about it.
0.24 …. Surprised he got it in the air!
How to prevent this from happening? A compulsory alcohol test (breathalyser) that all pilots have to take before starting. Some cars have it installed; you can't start the car without doing the test first.
that would punish normal pilots. They wouldnt put a breathalyzer in every single car just because of drunk drivers
What about the co-pilot? Is there any reason to suspect that he did something while the captain was too drunk to stop him?
If he wasn't involved you'd expect him to have tried to fight for the controls.
I have no idea about Canadian plots, but there is a famous story about an IL76, which landed early 2000 on a very short runway close to Um Al Quwain, UAE. The curious part of this was that both pilots were completely drunk and could not even salute the local ruler who was waiting for them... All aviation specialists were saying that landing on that place with this plane was impossible, but fact is that the plane is there (or whatever remained) and was used for entertainment area for many years 😁
With a lot of the Russian planes, you could use the reverse thrust before landing, so it was possible to perform very short landings. The IL-76 is one of my favourite planes actually, but I don't know if it has this capability. I would assume so, considering many of the Russian planes were built to land almost anywhere, e.g. small regional airports, military airstrips, icy Siberian conditions. It has a pretty awe inspiring landing gear. You probably know all this, but being built as a military freighter, it later became used for all sorts of things, including operations in Arabic countries. There is a film called "Kandahar" about one that is downed by Taliban fighters, and the crew are held hostage for a year, escaping eventually on their beloved plane (which the Taliban stupidly allowed them to service).
Drunk Russian pilots aren't always so lucky as your story though. Look up the PERM disaster. The ATC recordings of that are pretty hair-raising.
@@Queen-of-Swords Absolutely true about Il76! This was one of the "Offroad" planes built for the ex Soviet army. Consuming fuel lke 3 modern planes, but who cares at that time... No, it was impossible to activate the trust reversers in the air, but using full flaps, spoilers and jumping on the brakes made such short landings possible. It could be seen from the video how much dust went in the air when the plane touched down. One other thing, which was always making me curious. There was a very minor automation in those planes, but pilots never missed targets and number of accidents (at least officially announced) were very few.
Suicide. Bit of Dutch Courage, and argument with the F/O, or maybe found out their partner was cheating on them, or maybe got saddled with an unexpected debt.
I think beyond drinking, there was outlying mental health concerns. All drinking was responsible for here was preventing the pilot from getting 'cold feet' at the attempt.
No excuse but maybe some insight. Many years ago when I was around his age, I was unfortunately plagued by alcoholism myself ( although not a pilot YIKES ! ). When I was at my worst and physically addicted, it could take that much alcohol for me to be able to function as the effects of withdrawal were more dangerous than the alcohol itself. A comment NOT about this video... I've gathered over time that you are very particular about your speaking voice. Constructive criticism ONLY. When you say the word "anything" you are saying "ah-nah-thing" the word is pronounced "an-ee-thing". I look forward to every vid you make and appreciate the work you do !!
Ah, good ol 0.27. There's nothing like a depressant to chase the blues away.
1:45….incredible 8K textures.
I don't know what the world's coming to if you can't have a few cocktails behind the yoke.
I think I would have realised he was pissed when he was taxiing in reverse.
Sounds like he took a nap and used the control wheel as a pillow.
One possibility might be an improperly secured cargo shifting the C.of G. (as happened to a 747 in Afghanistan), though the way it crashed makes that seem improbable. In a climb, a loose object shifts aft. (Speculating in the absense of data, here.)
They didn’t realize he was a drunk until he showed up sober.
Drunks are cagey. This is too sad ….
I think every plan should have a interlock where every time the pilot and 1st officer should have to blow in a breathalyzer before flying. All cars should also be equipped with this . It's like we need to come up with a way people can't text and drive
Illegal search and seizure of property. Unconstitutional.
Also, you can't protect people from themselves in a car, not unless you want to become China. (And there's actually videos of people just running pedestrians over and never stopping from China.) Or current day Canada, where protesting is becoming illegal and you must obey or you're pariah. Or California, where you get to have $100 to put the government in control of your thermostat, meaning it's locked at 78 during a heat wave.
So... NO.
You don't get to concern cuck the rest of us into obedience, not by taking away everyone's freedom.
That's how tyranny starts/gets strong.
I stated essentially the same thing in my comment, but the alcohol culture in so ingrained that most people will ignore us out of self interest, which is an unfortunate issue in itself.
Anyone else see that video about the captain who flipped out in the cockpit on a routine flight to Vegas, flipping off his insturments and telling the copilot to take full control of everything so he could concentrate on God? He even began preaching sermons to ATC. My friends and I now just shout, "Hey guys, push it to full throttle!!" as an inside joke. (He kept yelling that as the passengers in back held him down.)
I thinking that the pilot just fell asleep over the stick.
Has an alcolock ever been considered? These are fitted to cars and other vehicles in some countries.
Sounds like they would both have to be incapacitated for this to happen.
Why am I thinking of Jim Backus in It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World?
Maybe the pilot just passed out and his bodyweight pushed the controls forward.
Bus drivers round here have to log into their busses now. Perhaps there should be a breathalyser interlock on cockpit controls so you can't take off if you are Brahms and Liszt.
I eel like the captain got drunk, somehow got to fly, and as the plane climbed, it afected him, spatial disorientation sounds plausible to me, we've seen sober pilots chase a plane into a CFIT due to spatial disorientation after all. Reminds me of that crash in Durango with the pilot not catching up to the plane due to apparently, doing cocaine the night before. To me that's similar to this one, impaired pilot plus altitude and terrain
Breathalyzer as they get on the plane and check their bags
Slight date mistake, it was April 13, 2015.
Just so the critics can put their fists down!
Your doing a fine job!
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Oh, there are a lot of drunk pilots in Saudi Arabia...
I flew there for 5 years and got to meet a number of them, both Saudi and ex-pats...
I wonder if, being completely drunk, this guy got frustrated about the way the plane was loaded and attempted to shift things forward. Doing this he lost control, or just overdid it, and the plane broke apart as a result.
With small hand held devices it is easy to breathalyse all pilots. The Police do that regularly on motorists.
to shreds, you say?
Cool
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Have breathaliyzers in all cockpits, one for each pilot. I drove a coach that had one. Engine wouldn't start until results came in. Results were uploaded to mother ship in real time. Simple.
So punish the innocent.
Comrade Stalin would be proud.
@@hariman7727 how is that punishing the innocent? If you blow green/negative you fly, red/positive you're grounded. It only takes a few seconds. Now I'm not into nanny state big brother surveillance state, which we live in. But I was only a couple of mins into this video were the plane dived, and suicide popped into me head. If that was the case?? A red/negative result could have prevented it.
@@DodgyD101 United States Constitution has laws against assumption of guilt and illegal searches.
It's actually one of the main constitutional amendments, that your innocent until proven guilty.
@@hariman7727 yes I get you. I hate people who say nothing to hide so I don't care if NSA etc etc snoop on my comms. That's not the point fools.
But I think this is different. Do you want a pilot to be found guilty after a toxicology test? And hundreds are dead. I didn't mind blowing into machine to drive. The souls on board are in my hands. A Pro driver or pilot you shouldn't be even allowed start the engine in a bus, train or cold dark cockpit if you're drunk, half cut ot hungover with the jitters.
I'm wondering did you stand up for your rights when these Elite pricks wanted to stick experimental gene therapy toxic crud into your body?
Then we can argue about rights.
@@DodgyD101 You’re not going to get through to this one. He believes that his personal rights trump everyone else’s, and feels it’s his “right” to drive around intoxicated without the chance of being detected.
Hmmmm.. you talk about pilot_s ... There is one very big question looming: What about the second pilot on board? Did he do nothing about this? Or was he incapacitated (inflicted by the other pilot?)... I've had about 1'500 hrs on SA-226'es. It generally was a nice handling airplane albeit in roll it needed quite some force since when they enlarged the wing from it's predecessor Metro II, they left the ailerons where they were. But otherwise it was the proverbial Ferrari with wings...
Oops, another great video.
Maybe he passed out, pushing the stick forward
Again, the FO. What was he doing or trying to do, I wonder.
Otherwise I can't know what I don't know 🤷🏼♂️
Thanks MACI
0.24? Probably slumped on the flight controls.
He probably passed out just as he reached forward for the trim controls, falling forward onto the trim controls and the yoke
At least there were no passengers. Something was wrong with this plane as well. The co- pilot wasn't drunk.
yep he augered that in mate
Saying a person w/a BAC of .18 has emotions that are "out of control" is painting w/a broad brush. I've been at .18 (not driving) & my emotions weren't out of control. Everyone handles alcohol differently, but I agree that he never should've been in an aircraft as a passenger let alone a PIC.
The trim probably busted. The pilot being drunk had no influence in this matter.
do the germanwings crash next
If it were preplanned, the other pilot would have to have been incapacitated to have a clean dive.
To shreds, you say.
Only tangentially related to this incident, but the German Wings incident has probably killed the single pilot cockpit.
It's very important to note that the effects of certain blood alcohol levels are measured on non-alcoholics! People, who regularly drink excessive amounts of alcohol, start to build tolerance to the effects. So just saying "A BAC of 0.8 causes ..." as if that applies to all people is incorrect.
Given that the pilot is suspected to consume excessively (which...I mean...he was drunk while piloting a plane, so that kind of gives it away), can mean the effects we less drastic on him than on a sober person.
Don’t promote falsehoods. That tolerance doesn’t apply equally to all effects of alcohol intoxication, with reaction times and general alertness always being greatly affected for even the most hardened drunk.