@@regulus6936 Aston road cars use engines from multiple places. They still do models with in-house designed engines, they have bought in Merc engines for some models, and they have a couple that are colaborations between them and Cosworth.
@@aardvark3d and Ford.. (2x3 liters) and Cosworth.. (V12) and from 2026 will be using Honda (on F1) and parts from Ford and parts from Volvo owned by Canadian billionaire (yew tree overseas - 26%) and Saudi Arabia (18%) and Mercedes (20%) and Mercedes engines are not made in england but in Affalterbach since 2017 - Vantage , DB11, DBX SUV are supplied by AMG, objectively, is it really british??? Sorry Ben...
As a Brit, I obviously want to see Ineos win…..however, I know Luna Rossa have been trying to win the cup for years too, so, if Luna Rossa beat Ineos in the LV cup, I will be hoping Luna Rossa go on to win the Americas Cup….nothing against New Zealand, just feel that it would be nice for it to go to a new country now, and Luna Rossa have been trying to win it longer than most now.
Great racing lads..unbelievable the speed and control. I hope the Kiwis are getting some good racing in..pity they dont have either the French or Swiss to practice race against!
Considering one of the main rules that has been agreed to is no two boat testing, and they got to race in the round robins I think it would have been terrible for the CoR to allow them to race privately with other teams. Would defeat one of the guiding elements of this protocol.
@@weatheranddarkness It required syndicates to compete to determine who would be the defender. I don’t actually remember how it worked. Maybe the syndicates - wherever they came from - were all required to join the NYYC to be eligible. I don’t think I ever knew.
@@thethirdman225 yes, that's the point. You have to have another team that is willing to go up against another team that's trying to defend the cup. If no team presents itself there's no cause for a defender series. And of course that's a product of it being the Club, rather than the Team that is the holder of the Cup.
Well said, Mr. ben Ainslie. He's loving it. Jimmy complained that it was too complicated. Isn't what America's cup is about pushing technology to the edge?
For your upcoming umpiring review, a couple of specific questions from the LV cup semis Race 10: Around 9min, LR copped a penalty for a too-close dip. When the infringement occurred they were 15m behind, when the penalty was awarded they were 14m behind, and when the penalty was cleared they were 25m behind. Where on earth is the 75m the umpires are supposed to impose? Even if you take it from the moment LR started their dip, when they were 40m ahead (and I don’t think that’s the right thing to do) the penalty that was imposed was only 65m. And just 1 minute later LR crossed ahead! At 11min30, on port again, this time LR crossed ahead, but too close again. This time when the umpires applied the penalty LR were 4m ahead. And the penalty cleared when LR were 50m behind. Only if you count from the infringement, when LR were 22m ahead, do you get near a 75m penalty, but that way of doing it makes the penalty in the first incident only 10m!! What’s going on?
@Matt, I would love to know with all the info that is coming off the boats, how quickly can teams figure out + respond to gains the other boat has made. For example Luna Rossa looked quicker in Race one, but we saw Ineos come back in race two. Comments were made by the team that they tweaked things, is that in response to finding out how Luna Rossa gained the edge in Race one. If that is the case, a great question would be => do you play every card you have now, or do you hold something back for when you need the edge "6 vs 6 winner takes all"?
I agree with that other comment! He took the words right out of my mouth as the song says... Really nice analysis, great reportage sir. So are you riding around on that BMW bike like you did within NZ? or am i thinking of some one else?
Agree that they all have learned to sail their boats (which we know are pretty even) so its now come back to conventional match racing, will the start, cover and 'have a cigar'
He's Australian so no particular reason for him to be on a US boat rather than an Italian one. Also Tom Slingsby, the AM helm, is Australian. The thing is there are some rules for a certain number of foreign sailors to be racing with each syndicate. It's a bit like football where players can play for foreign clubs.
I'm not sure it's true they are the fastest boat. But they are certainly fast enough, that if they don't make any mistakes, they're going to win. It seems to me the Americans and Brits have each at times been slightly faster than the Italians... but much less consistent. Luna Rossa Prada Pirelli is formidably consistent.
I think it is evident that Ineos used the first regatta to acquire the data, then in between the 2 races the shore team of engineers in Britain, ran simulations and then remapped the control systems. You can see how different the boats was going, nervous in the first race, smoother in the second. All following the rules, apparently but, knowing that behind ineos there are F1 engineers, can make me think in a malevolent way...
They just got straight up beaten. Less philosophy, man... You don't acquire anything at this point. If they had wanted to do that, they should have picked AM in the semi-finals.
I think it's evident that you don't know what are you talking about. LR used the wrong jib in the second one, believing to a drop if wind at the time if the second race (source Spithill). Sure Ineos tweeked the boat for the second race. But saying that they use the first race to acquire the data is utterly arrogant. It's a final.
@@imjmones nobody looses on purpose. They had never tried to sail in these conditions, so they did not have too much data. They have raced to win in the first race but their boat was not optimal. Then with the help of the electronic, they set it up right for the second and you can see the difference. The role of what we do not see in these modern boats is astonishing
Excellent coverage from yourself, gratefully appreciated.! Thankyou
As an Italian fan I loved Ben's humour with the Aston Martin / Ferrari reference
Aston uses German engines though...
@@regulus6936Aston Martin uses Mercedes F1 engines which are designed and built in England.
@@regulus6936 Aston road cars use engines from multiple places. They still do models with in-house designed engines, they have bought in Merc engines for some models, and they have a couple that are colaborations between them and Cosworth.
@@aardvark3d and Ford.. (2x3 liters) and Cosworth.. (V12) and from 2026 will be using Honda (on F1) and parts from Ford and parts from Volvo owned by Canadian billionaire (yew tree overseas - 26%) and Saudi Arabia (18%) and Mercedes (20%) and Mercedes engines are not made in england but in Affalterbach since 2017 - Vantage , DB11, DBX SUV are supplied by AMG, objectively, is it really british??? Sorry Ben...
As a Brit, I obviously want to see Ineos win…..however, I know Luna Rossa have been trying to win the cup for years too, so, if Luna Rossa beat Ineos in the LV cup, I will be hoping Luna Rossa go on to win the Americas Cup….nothing against New Zealand, just feel that it would be nice for it to go to a new country now, and Luna Rossa have been trying to win it longer than most now.
Thank you for the usual superb coverage
Thanks Matt - you do serious yachting journalism really well - Bob Fisher would be happy.
Excellent video. Ready for more racing later today.
Amazing how much they learn, race to race, even in a same day
Thanks for this Matt. Essential viewing. I enjoyed your parts in the press conference
Excellent Matt, thank you!
Great racing lads..unbelievable the speed and control. I hope the Kiwis are getting some good racing in..pity they dont have either the French or Swiss to practice race against!
Considering one of the main rules that has been agreed to is no two boat testing, and they got to race in the round robins I think it would have been terrible for the CoR to allow them to race privately with other teams. Would defeat one of the guiding elements of this protocol.
@@weatheranddarkness Yes but don’t forget that during the New York Yacht Club era, there used to be a series to determine the defender.
@@thethirdman225 That requires a competing syndicate to enter on behalf of the defending yacht club.
@@weatheranddarkness It required syndicates to compete to determine who would be the defender. I don’t actually remember how it worked. Maybe the syndicates - wherever they came from - were all required to join the NYYC to be eligible. I don’t think I ever knew.
@@thethirdman225 yes, that's the point. You have to have another team that is willing to go up against another team that's trying to defend the cup. If no team presents itself there's no cause for a defender series. And of course that's a product of it being the Club, rather than the Team that is the holder of the Cup.
Are you listening Jimmy? Peter flirting with Ben... Ben air hug straight back... Both tied for my giggles ❤ Planet Sail!!!
Really nice analysis, great reportage sir.
Haha, I like that Ben prefers Aston Martin above Ferrari, I second that 😎🥳😍
Well said, Mr. ben Ainslie. He's loving it.
Jimmy complained that it was too complicated. Isn't what America's cup is about pushing technology to the edge?
More software upgrades than your laptop, you kill me 🙂Thanks for the report PS!
For your upcoming umpiring review, a couple of specific questions from the LV cup semis Race 10:
Around 9min, LR copped a penalty for a too-close dip. When the infringement occurred they were 15m behind, when the penalty was awarded they were 14m behind, and when the penalty was cleared they were 25m behind. Where on earth is the 75m the umpires are supposed to impose? Even if you take it from the moment LR started their dip, when they were 40m ahead (and I don’t think that’s the right thing to do) the penalty that was imposed was only 65m.
And just 1 minute later LR crossed ahead!
At 11min30, on port again, this time LR crossed ahead, but too close again. This time when the umpires applied the penalty LR were 4m ahead. And the penalty cleared when LR were 50m behind. Only if you count from the infringement, when LR were 22m ahead, do you get near a 75m penalty, but that way of doing it makes the penalty in the first incident only 10m!!
What’s going on?
Excellent speech… let the world listen, take the time to think. Let us ensure our leaders make the right choice
The boat that makes the least mistakes will win , Period !
Unfortunately IB seem to have been more prone to those throughout....but they have improved considerably.
@Matt, I would love to know with all the info that is coming off the boats, how quickly can teams figure out + respond to gains the other boat has made. For example Luna Rossa looked quicker in Race one, but we saw Ineos come back in race two. Comments were made by the team that they tweaked things, is that in response to finding out how Luna Rossa gained the edge in Race one. If that is the case, a great question would be => do you play every card you have now, or do you hold something back for when you need the edge "6 vs 6 winner takes all"?
I agree with that other comment! He took the words right out of my mouth as the song says... Really nice analysis, great reportage sir. So are you riding around on that BMW bike like you did within NZ? or am i thinking of some one else?
Thank you! Same person different bike.....pedal power this time!
Agree that they all have learned to sail their boats (which we know are pretty even) so its now come back to conventional match racing, will the start, cover and 'have a cigar'
Ferrari vs Aston Martin
Ragazzi in fiamme vs boring Britishness (driven by German engines)
Surface to surface Missile - oh ecxcuse me I'm as competitive as hell
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Simple question from someone that enjoys this without ring up on the politics why is Spithall in an Italian boat not the US one.
He's Australian so no particular reason for him to be on a US boat rather than an Italian one. Also Tom Slingsby, the AM helm, is Australian.
The thing is there are some rules for a certain number of foreign sailors to be racing with each syndicate. It's a bit like football where players can play for foreign clubs.
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“I’d like it to be more like an Aston Martin”…..opps, didn’t he mean to say a Mercedes, considering their main sponsors involvements???
Particulary so since AM is owned by Lawrence Stroll who runs their F1 team against Merc F1!
Aston Martin F1 team is using Mercedes engines so 🤷♂️
First one!
Youre looking at the best team, Italy! IT flew, and is the fastest boat, IN MY opinion!
I'm not sure it's true they are the fastest boat. But they are certainly fast enough, that if they don't make any mistakes, they're going to win. It seems to me the Americans and Brits have each at times been slightly faster than the Italians... but much less consistent. Luna Rossa Prada Pirelli is formidably consistent.
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"Sorry Matt, I wasn't listening".
But you have clearly been following!!!😀
Frends just for now. No British gentleman sportsmanship in the long run then!.
I think it is evident that Ineos used the first regatta to acquire the data, then in between the 2 races the shore team of engineers in Britain, ran simulations and then remapped the control systems. You can see how different the boats was going, nervous in the first race, smoother in the second.
All following the rules, apparently but, knowing that behind ineos there are F1 engineers, can make me think in a malevolent way...
They just got straight up beaten. Less philosophy, man... You don't acquire anything at this point. If they had wanted to do that, they should have picked AM in the semi-finals.
no doubt they learnt from the first race, but you make it sound as if they had lost it on purpose!
@@imjmonesHe said first regatta. Meaning last week or the week before. Not the first race of the day.
I think it's evident that you don't know what are you talking about. LR used the wrong jib in the second one, believing to a drop if wind at the time if the second race (source Spithill).
Sure Ineos tweeked the boat for the second race. But saying that they use the first race to acquire the data is utterly arrogant. It's a final.
@@imjmones nobody looses on purpose. They had never tried to sail in these conditions, so they did not have too much data. They have raced to win in the first race but their boat was not optimal. Then with the help of the electronic, they set it up right for the second and you can see the difference.
The role of what we do not see in these modern boats is astonishing
Luna Rossa lost the second race because the front sails was little bit small than Ineos !!!! Less power….