Thanks for filming the rules/protest info at the morning brief ….. helps the viewer get a better understanding of what the umpires are seeing , and ruling on. Both boats are sailing well and limiting mistakes …. The race to 8 wins is going to be fascinating.
Great to hear the explanations from the umpires. Though seems like the only way to gain a hook is to nudge hulls. Too late now, but perhaps the diamonds need to be larger (doubled in size?) to allow diamonds to touch, rather than the hulls, which is safer for the speeds of these boats.
Six races in and some trends are starting to emerge given medium and high knot conditions (i.e., we still don't have a light wind reference match race other than the day three cancelled match for 45 min. time limit exceeded): 1. LR are slightly better upwind 2. INEOS are slightly better downwind 3. LR is better at handling/control at top/bottom marks 4. INEOS have an edge at pre-starts At this point my money is on LR although INEOS could prove that wrong especially if the conditions become light as our data points are nil.
5. Overall, Luna Rossa seems to have a slight edge, but made too many mistakes, including breaking their main sail. Ineos capitalised with two wins from that
Matt has commented several times that the coverage can't convey the full drama of these craft. I'd suggest that, although the is coverage excellent, it would benefit from some low altitude drone close ups. Much less downdraft than a chopper too.
That was excellent, especially so for the insight into the umpires decision. The rules are the rules but Dylan didn’t seem to be holding back on what GB think of them!
So I know nothing at all about yacht racing, so I really shouldn't say anything, but here's my overall take on the situation. The Brits made a legal, aggressive and dangerous challenge, and the Italians responded with a legal, aggressive and dangerous countermove. These types of challenges seem to be what racing fans like to see, since they are demonstrations of sailing prowess. From what I have read, the British move was also an attempt to draw a foul, something which apparently is an important and respectable part of the game, and doesn't have the stigma that you'd have in, say, football when an attacker in the penalty area goes looking for legs to trip over. So it seems that the big problem here is that these dogfights are what people want to see (and they're certainly what outsiders like me want to see), but they have become exponentially more dangerous as the boats have become faster and skimpier. The rules were devised when the boats were bigger and slower, and may be somewhat inappropriate given the current types of boats that are being raced. So I think that the racing community needs to devise a set of rules that allow for the aggressive jousting that has always been the whole point of the sport, but does so in a way that protects the sailors from the danger of serious injury or death, which is something that could well happen if one boat skewers another boat at speed.
Watching this over the past days it reminds me of the hydroplane racing and boats here in the northwest of the united states. With speed things change and have to drive and sail differently. There are ways to sail and drive at these speeds and all will have to learn and develop skills...
With two boats and crew so evenly matched, it would be unbiased to say that there are bound to be spats between them. If one boat and crew were clearly superior it would be very different.
The umpires have effectively killed proper match racing. Itll just be "win the start" and don't make a mistake to win which is a real shame cos close tactical racing is what we all want but nobody will now dare take the chance.
Not the umpires but the rules. Deleting RRS13 is, IMHO a mistake, tacking & gybing is NOT instantaneous and the script of RRS 13 takes this into account.
We have seen a lot of dubious calls during this cup, and most of the previous times was LR that didn't get the advantage. This rules are a bit dangerous in my opinion and probably the diamond should be rectangles but the rules are made by nz and ineos and it is unfare to change them now. The safety issue arose few weeks ago...
I don't get if the call is made on the boat and its area or with the future projection. It seems that at least for the overlapping they consider the actual boat ...
3:55 This is the perfect illustration of why umpiring using telemetry and animations doesn't work. It doesn't show the closing speeds, and it makes it too hard to perceive the reaction times needed. Put those same umpires onboard Ineos, and I'm sure they would have had a different reaction. And, they would have felt the same level of fear and anger we heard in Ainslie's voice
I think you have a point there, so long as the on boat umpires decision is final, we dont want to return to the days of post race challenges to the umpires call.
As per your comment there are 2 very different designs but performance is very similar. Do you think one boat is inherently slower but being sailed better? History of the cup says the fastest boat wins
Cross the line first on time & fast . Get your nose ahead. Block off the opponent a couple off times then sail away by reading the wind perfectly . Plus make no mistakes. Sounds a simple plan. Be first in every single thing. Improve faster than your opponent's. Good luck Ineos.
Ben panik yelling is even more creepy then when they tacking or jive always when sails released an shooting boom goes off🙈🫡 Is this cunningham released?
Seems as if Ineos is going to lose all thru their own mistakes! Boundary error, are they novices! we have seen how even the boats are you just cannot give away such stupid penalties. Ainslie is just too aggressive for this class of racing.
British should building an sail releasing different when ben easy falling into panic.... he scared hear a shot and thinking italian shooting on him🤷🤣😉?
The way rules will be applied in practice to this new form of sailing is still being developed, so legitimate to see differences of opinion. Dylan put it perfect 'we don't want to kill someone to prove they were too close'. Probably a good thing to avoid close combat in these amazing craft. Especially when you consider that (unlike all other sailing) starboard is applied at head to wind rather than sail cross over, which effectively means only half the manoeuvre needs to be completed. That's doubtless a lot easier to umpire from a screen, but does mitigate against aggressive sailing. Again that's probably no bad thing as no one wants to see a collision, so I expect the approach from today will be more typical.
@@fabiocampagnoli That these were legitimate protest (even if the luffing was a bit optimistic), but now everyone is wiser on the way the rules are being interpreted and will act accordingly. Good sportsmanship all-round, no complaints, even if I personally wouldn't want to be in an AC75 when the boat in front throws a crash gybe.
Long story short: the Brits were wrong, but they will never admit it. The same as with colonization or stealing everything that's in the British museum. :D
Well that was a bit harsh, after all the Brits were late to looting the third world and that is history. But I admit I got a very bad feeling yesterday about the Ineos protests at every tack and I very much hope it's not the way Ineos will go if it gets difficult. And I would indeed expect the British more prone for such games than the Italians.
Thanks for filming the rules/protest info at the morning brief ….. helps the viewer get a better understanding of what the umpires are seeing , and ruling on. Both boats are sailing well and limiting mistakes …. The race to 8 wins is going to be fascinating.
Great to hear the explanations from the umpires. Though seems like the only way to gain a hook is to nudge hulls. Too late now, but perhaps the diamonds need to be larger (doubled in size?) to allow diamonds to touch, rather than the hulls, which is safer for the speeds of these boats.
Change the diamonds to circles with a diameter equal to the length of the diamond would solve it I think
Matt - great commentary every day! Loving what you are doing. Cheers mate.
Loving your commentary! The best show in town!
Stunning coverage of a remarkable demonstration of passion and courage!
Bloody good stuff, Matt
Six races in and some trends are starting to emerge given medium and high knot conditions (i.e., we still don't have a light wind reference match race other than the day three cancelled match for 45 min. time limit exceeded):
1. LR are slightly better upwind
2. INEOS are slightly better downwind
3. LR is better at handling/control at top/bottom marks
4. INEOS have an edge at pre-starts
At this point my money is on LR although INEOS could prove that wrong especially if the conditions become light as our data points are nil.
5. Overall, Luna Rossa seems to have a slight edge, but made too many mistakes, including breaking their main sail.
Ineos capitalised with two wins from that
Agreed and I'd say 3 is the most consistent difference.
I thought the Ineos got out of phase on the 1st work
Thank you for an everyday and excellent coverage, seems like this cup is energising everyone!
Matt has commented several times that the coverage can't convey the full drama of these craft. I'd suggest that, although the is coverage excellent, it would benefit from some low altitude drone close ups. Much less downdraft than a chopper too.
That was excellent, especially so for the insight into the umpires decision. The rules are the rules but Dylan didn’t seem to be holding back on what GB think of them!
So I know nothing at all about yacht racing, so I really shouldn't say anything, but here's my overall take on the situation. The Brits made a legal, aggressive and dangerous challenge, and the Italians responded with a legal, aggressive and dangerous countermove. These types of challenges seem to be what racing fans like to see, since they are demonstrations of sailing prowess. From what I have read, the British move was also an attempt to draw a foul, something which apparently is an important and respectable part of the game, and doesn't have the stigma that you'd have in, say, football when an attacker in the penalty area goes looking for legs to trip over.
So it seems that the big problem here is that these dogfights are what people want to see (and they're certainly what outsiders like me want to see), but they have become exponentially more dangerous as the boats have become faster and skimpier. The rules were devised when the boats were bigger and slower, and may be somewhat inappropriate given the current types of boats that are being raced. So I think that the racing community needs to devise a set of rules that allow for the aggressive jousting that has always been the whole point of the sport, but does so in a way that protects the sailors from the danger of serious injury or death, which is something that could well happen if one boat skewers another boat at speed.
Excellent analysis, well stated.
Watching this over the past days it reminds me of the hydroplane racing and boats here in the northwest of the united states. With speed things change and have to drive and sail differently. There are ways to sail and drive at these speeds and all will have to learn and develop skills...
With two boats and crew so evenly matched, it would be unbiased to say that there are bound to be spats between them. If one boat and crew were clearly superior it would be very different.
Thanks showing empires how clearly they made desissions.
Luna rossa always holding course or sailed clearly they way, not going against at movements.
The umpires have effectively killed proper match racing.
Itll just be "win the start" and don't make a mistake to win which is a real shame cos close tactical racing is what we all want but nobody will now dare take the chance.
Not the umpires but the rules. Deleting RRS13 is, IMHO a mistake, tacking & gybing is NOT instantaneous and the script of RRS 13 takes this into account.
So if 5m is the agreed proximity shouldn't the diamonds be increased in size to reflect this?
We have seen a lot of dubious calls during this cup, and most of the previous times was LR that didn't get the advantage. This rules are a bit dangerous in my opinion and probably the diamond should be rectangles but the rules are made by nz and ineos and it is unfare to change them now. The safety issue arose few weeks ago...
I don't get if the call is made on the boat and its area or with the future projection. It seems that at least for the overlapping they consider the actual boat ...
3:55 This is the perfect illustration of why umpiring using telemetry and animations doesn't work. It doesn't show the closing speeds, and it makes it too hard to perceive the reaction times needed. Put those same umpires onboard Ineos, and I'm sure they would have had a different reaction. And, they would have felt the same level of fear and anger we heard in Ainslie's voice
I think you have a point there, so long as the on boat umpires decision is final, we dont want to return to the days of post race challenges to the umpires call.
As per your comment there are 2 very different designs but performance is very similar. Do you think one boat is inherently slower but being sailed better? History of the cup says the fastest boat wins
The manoeuvre is not finished until the sails are full and the helms back in control
Not in the case of AC rules - once boat has passed through the wind they are deemed to be on the new tack
Who is umpire spking? Ian Murray?
With these explanations from the umpires, decisions 2 and 4 seem highly highly questionable. 1 and 2 are clear.
Cross the line first on time & fast . Get your nose ahead. Block off the opponent a couple off times then sail away by reading the wind perfectly . Plus make no mistakes.
Sounds a simple plan.
Be first in every single thing. Improve faster than your opponent's.
Good luck Ineos.
Let’s hope for a better day tomorrow for Ineos Britannia.
LR a little quicker. Seems to find it easier than ineos to keep the race close.
INEOS should have ducked LRPP at the first cross in the 2nd race and secured the right hand side.
This video has nothing to do with 30. 9 24 racing. Its all talk.of yesterdays action
Not everyone lives in the same country. The 30th was yesterday here for example, and more importantly it was the 30th in Spain where the racing was.
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Umpire clearly got the last call wrong. Gbr were reluctant to head up and hit LR while clear prolonged overlap!
A typical regatta. Not everyone agrees with the umpires call. Move on.
Ben panik yelling is even more creepy then when they tacking or jive always when sails released an shooting boom goes off🙈🫡
Is this cunningham released?
Seems as if Ineos is going to lose all thru their own mistakes! Boundary error, are they novices! we have seen how even the boats are you just cannot give away such stupid penalties. Ainslie is just too aggressive for this class of racing.
Protest! Protest! 🤣
British should building an sail releasing different when ben easy falling into panic.... he scared hear a shot and thinking italian shooting on him🤷🤣😉?
Thats why they call him the 'pitbull' - GO JIMMY !!
Now, are you brits satisfied with the umpire explanation or you still want to PROTEST??????????????????????????????????????????????????
Got enough question marks?!
The way rules will be applied in practice to this new form of sailing is still being developed, so legitimate to see differences of opinion. Dylan put it perfect 'we don't want to kill someone to prove they were too close'. Probably a good thing to avoid close combat in these amazing craft. Especially when you consider that (unlike all other sailing) starboard is applied at head to wind rather than sail cross over, which effectively means only half the manoeuvre needs to be completed. That's doubtless a lot easier to umpire from a screen, but does mitigate against aggressive sailing. Again that's probably no bad thing as no one wants to see a collision, so I expect the approach from today will be more typical.
@@firstnamelastname2669 Ok. So after all this....what did you mean?
@@fabiocampagnoli That these were legitimate protest (even if the luffing was a bit optimistic), but now everyone is wiser on the way the rules are being interpreted and will act accordingly. Good sportsmanship all-round, no complaints, even if I personally wouldn't want to be in an AC75 when the boat in front throws a crash gybe.
We have seen a very unsafe crossing during the round robin but since LR was on the right tack no one complained about the unsafety of the rules
Long story short: the Brits were wrong, but they will never admit it. The same as with colonization or stealing everything that's in the British museum. :D
Well that was a bit harsh, after all the Brits were late to looting the third world and that is history.
But I admit I got a very bad feeling yesterday about the Ineos protests at every tack and I very much hope it's not the way Ineos will go if it gets difficult. And I would indeed expect the British more prone for such games than the Italians.