Why does God order war in the Old Testament? What about His command not to murder?
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- Опубликовано: 28 янв 2020
- Why does God order war in the Old Testament? What about His command not to murder? by Fr. Gabriel Wissa
In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit; One God, Amen.
Why does God order war in the Old Testament? Doesn’t that contradict His command not to murder? Why did He order the annihilation of certain nations? Why did He choose to kill them by the sword? In this video, we will attempt to answer these questions and touch on others.
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Hi, thank you for this. I want to understand the OT more but the book you linked to above no longer exists :( How can I get it please? Thanks.
This has got to be the clearest and most exact explanation of the Old testament times that I've ever heard. And thank you father for keeping these teachings so short most people will not sit for 1 or more hours in front of their computers no matter how interesting the teaching. In such a short time your messages are delivered with a power that can only be Holy Spirit inspired. While others mumble on for hours trying to give the same message and fall short every time. Thank You Fathers!
Thank you dear William for your meaningful comment. We truly need your prayers.
This is the most important u tube orthodox church channel may God's grace be upon you our lovely fathers.
I really learned a lot about my faith May God bless again
Hi Fr
I am a RC from Malaysia. I believe we have a small presence of EO (maybe Malankara Syrian)in my country.
I have been following some of the talks from your community. While appreciating your effort in the area of apologetics, I hope and pray both the east and west come into communion and putting aside old grudges and handle the disagreement in a better manner.
I believe God has its plan in the schism where each tradition and even denomination has journeyed. Each tradition has developed its strengths but also weaknesses. Together in unity, we can weather the storm now and ahead. We need both lungs to breath effectively ... the east and the west. God bless us all!
Amen!
@@CopticOrthodoxAnswers Really, is that what the Orthodox Church really teaches? ruclips.net/video/8ky9eTKJnto/видео.html
May Almighty God reward you for your pure and Apostolic teachings
Thank you CYC and Father Gabriel, I see the 2 links but cant find this series. This is very needed as Ive been conflicted on this topic.GOD bless you 🙏
Great explanation! I have always wondered this. This video goes well with the video on Free Will/ God’s Foreknowledge.
Blessed as always :) Glory be to God! i've been wanting to know the background music for a while, thanks for the info :) The music makes the Inspiration More Vivid and Refreshing :D
It is only through god that we know that what god does is bad, and that is good, no need to justify anything
Abouna, I have a question. Our God is the same God yesterday, today and tomorrow. How can we understand how God in the old testament said an eye for an eye and in the new testament said to turn the other cheek?
This video along with the whole Old Testament series are aimed at answering exactly that question! St. Cyril of alexandria speaks to your question in his commentary on St. Luke's gospel,
"Such an enactment [eye for an eye] required a person not to injure others. Supposing him to have sustained an injury, his anger at the wrongdoer must not go beyond an equal retribution. But the general bearing of the legal mode of life was by no means pleasing to God. It was even given to those of old time as a schoolmaster, accustoming them little by little to a proper righteousness and leading them on gently towards the possession of the perfect good.” St. Cyril of Alexandria, Homily on the Gospel of St. Luke 6.29.
- You can find this whole commentary online and it makes for beautiful reading.
God bless you!
We can answer this question if we can establish whether or not God is anchored in the present and if He takes an active role in our world. It must be possible that God can change the future. His creation does not limit him. Therefore if He created time and the progression of time, and is all-knowing what would come if something were to change, would He not seek to change it for the better in the present? If there is nothing God cannot do, can God change? We cannot decide for God whether or not He can change as He sees fit.
At the beginning of creation, if He set everything in motion and set everything to be, he bears direct responsibility for all outcomes. Trials, successes, free will, and every miracle must have been pre-determined at the beginning; the appearance of a God with us in the now would be an illusion. His work would have already been finished; every card laid out. The Bible teaches otherwise.
Knowing this, one can logically infer that God is present with us now and does not control humanity, nor our free will. God can change His mind, and God Himself can change, for there is nothing God cannot do.
Saying "the times changed, so God's response changed" needs to be backed up with concrete examples of the direct impact of God's differential treatment of people groups in different times and why. One cannot say, "God, in His grace, sheltered an under-developed humanity from correct and moral ways, for their understanding would be lacking and doing so would have been fruitless."
That being said, the next step of this line of thinking leads inevitably to "does the concept of morality also follow God's whims and is there no true constant in the universe, other than the very existence of God?" This branch of thought leaves me, understandably, unsatisfied. BUT this is pretty much what you said in the video as your main talking point. "we can't possibly comprehend the TRUE meaning of right and wrong, and right and wrong depend on the changing of times. This thinking is moral relativism, which I firmly detest.
If possible I need saints book like Augustin, Ephrem
Hello Nathaneal, here are a few links
1. www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf213.html
- In this volume you can read (for free) some of the works of St. Ephrem the syrian although the translation is from the late 19th-early 20th centure
2. www.amazon.ca/Ephrem-Syrian-Classics-Spirituality-Paperback/dp/0809130939/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=ephrem+the+syrian&qid=1580369793&sr=8-1
- This is a collection of the hymns of St. Ephrem for whom poetry and hymnody were a preferred way of writing.
3. www.amazon.ca/Selected-Prose-Works-Ephrem-Syrian/dp/0813214211/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=ephrem+the+syrian&qid=1580370196&sr=8-4
- Here is some prose writing of St. Ephrem which includes; commentaries on Genesis and Exodus, his Letter to Publius, and The Homily on Our Lord
@@CopticOrthodoxAnswers I really appreciate for your assistance may our mother of light saint Mary be with you all the time.
This is an excellent presentation except for one thing. There’s far more difference between Hitler and Alexander the great then the zeitgeist! I find it alarming that you could conclude that.
This is the deal . God ordered the killing of men woman and children . Why didn’t God just do it himself ?? Doesn’t he not give breath and take it away couldn’t he cause heart attacks or death in an instant
Also please explain to me why Jesus agrees with the old testament?
By the way, if you believe Jesus is God, then Jesus is God who gave these commands.
Jesus agreed to KILL the disobedience kids and he criticized the Pharisees and the Jews for not doing it
Matthew 15:3-4 Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and ' Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death .'
Mark 7:9-10 And he continued, "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, 'Honor your father and mother,' and, ' Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death ."
Exodus 21:15 Anyone who attacks his father or his mother must be put to death.
Exodus 21:17 "Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death."
Leviticus 20:9 "Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head."
Deuteronomy 21:18 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.
Hi brother/sister, I hope you take this with love, the same freely given love that God has given to me I give to you. While you read this please read the complete scripture to get the full message. Also know that when God speaks, He knows EXACTLY what He is talking about.
1.Matt 15:3-4
Jesus’s aim here was to address the hypocritical nature the Pharisees had; they cared more about their traditions than Gods Will. That’s why Jesus mentioned the law. What is most important here is that Jesus EXPLICITLY says whoever commits this offence must be put to death but JESUS NEVER says that WE must put them to death. (We believe that God is the ultimate judge because He knows the contents in people’s heart(motivation) NOT US MERE MORTALS.
Mark 7:9-10
This passage is the exact same as Matthew 15 but it said by another eyewitness(Mark).He also observed the teaching
Exodus 21:15 &17
Again God does not say WE must put them to death. Now what’s important to observe is the offence; “Anyone who ATTACKS his father…”. “Anyone who CURSES his father…” I put attacks and curses in bold because it tells us that these acts had to of happened many times to receive judgment.( The only way they could get out of it is through repentance)This also shows us the mercy of God
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
“Then all the men of this town shall stone him to death…” Here we have it, God EXPLICITLY tells US what to do. Verse 18, tells us that this judgment could go on if the child is not REPENTANT(will not listen) He will continuously do these acts after being warned. Drunkenness is not taken lightly by God because it could lead us to commit other sins. And gluttony is a form of pride, which Satan himself was kicked out of heaven for.
I hope this helped, I do not say this to attack you at all but honestly to let you know of the truth (Jesus) May His peace be upon you.
I love when christians try to justify the biblical god's savage, bloodthirsty nature. Luckily, we have no good reason to believe that the barbaric, sadistic, cruel and vain god that christians love to defend, exists at all.
Without engaging in a polemical discussion with you, it is important to point a few things out for the sake of others.
1. Of course the one who wishes to judge Christianity (in particular it seems) or ways of thoughts by their own moral compass never ask where this particular moral view was obtained. We believe this to be self-evident as though we were born 'moral creatures' and automatically recognized good and evil, right and wrong, just and unjust. We have seen what secular ideologies have done in the world by the living examples of totalitarian secular regimes which killed tens of millions of people such as the Russian Gulags (read aleksandr solzhenitsyn for more about this). Christian thought is the basis of Western civilization and yet atheists would use its moral thought to try to undermine it somehow.
2. The creation of straw men is commonly practiced to try to undermine Christian thought. One approaches the Bible not asking how The Christian tradition has appropriated and understood this text but rather brutalizes it with their post-modern, rationalistic, reductionist, and ultimately senseless method of interpretation. One who wishes to understand what Scripture is saying must turn to the tradition and place himself within it to be able to read it properly not as one would read any scientific text today. It is with the absurd notion that the Bible is entirely self-evident as any scientific or historical text today might be that these misinterpretations are haphazardly made and these straw men are constructed. If you are interested in engaging in some of the elements of Christian thought, a very approachable introduction is Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis.
May God bless all of us and guide our minds to see clearly.
1. Human beings were born with the ability to reason, and have the capacity for empathy... if we agree that human well being is our goal, then we can determine objective means to achieve that goal. There is no adequate evidence to suggest that we require any celestial assistance. As for secular regimes killing people; what gall you have! Your christian god has decimated way more people than any human being. I know your old testament well enough. And if you haven't yet read the constitution of the United States, you should because it is brutally clear that god is to be excluded from all government affairs...our country has just been failing our founding father's intent and letting religion encroach way too much.
2. I don't need a straw man; anyone who reads your old testament recognizes that your god is a monster. It's clear if you are not encumbered by presuppositions. As far as science is concerned, it has proven that your bible gets almost everything wrong. Your god disseminated his most important dictates to the world in a way that it will be interpreted differently by every single person who reads it, resulting in wars and death for millions of people for millennia. Either your god is extremely inept, or he doesn't exist and your bible was written by ridiculously uneducated barbarians...I contend the latter.
I highly suggest you re-reading history.
I am Canadian... :-)
@@CopticOrthodoxAnswers Touché.