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Why Did God Command the Killing of Women and Children in the Old Testament?
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- Опубликовано: 11 май 2020
- The "Give Me An Answer" ministry began as an outgrowth of the dialogues Cliffe Knechtle has had with students on various university campuses throughout the United States. These universities include the University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, University of Florida, University of Texas, University of Wisconsin, University of Minnesota, University of California Los Angeles, University of California San Diego, Berkeley, Stanford, University of Hawaii and the University of Washington. Cliffe spoke on these campuses in front of the Student Union or Library at noon for five to ten minutes. At the close of his initial remarks, he'd open up the time for questions and answers, which usually turned into a two to four hour dialogue with students. His crowd size ranged from 25 - 500 students at a time, and between classes, new students would join the discussion. This is an extremely effective way to reach a large number of university students with the Gospel of Christ.
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God bless you both❤!✝️🙏
God bless the knechtle family. They do an awesome job when it comes to explaining the Bible. Praise Yeshua.
Lol wow
May god bless you all 🙏🏼
I am so incredibly grateful for these dudes and this video. I've always wondered how I would explain this to someone if I got asked this question.
This has helped me so much, God bless!!
You cant explain this anyway. You can`t justify killing children. Your rabbis made up laws for their own benefit
Another interesting and informative video. Thankyou Cliffe and Stuart. God bless you both.
Thank you my dear brother in Christ.
amen brotha
F christ
Thank you so much gentlemen for this video, this is something I had been seriously struggling with while reading the old testament. God Bless you
The good in the Bible does not mean the bad in the Bible is justified.
You said it wrongly, the God (good)of the Bible doesn't justify the evil in the Koran; is what you meant to say.
Because the Bible's perfectly just; it's an eye for an eye, a tooth for tooth, a life for a life; equal measure to every judgment.
There's 7 verses at least that say you can rape women in the Quran. you can beat your wife harshly chapter 4 verse 34, 2: 223, it's okay to Rob non-muslims 4 vs 94, it's okay to lie chapter 3 verse 28, and especially encourages you to lie to gain an upper hand because Islam has to take over by force where is the God of the Bible doesn't do that. He wants people to come to Him because love will not force anything on you.
Hope this helps
And religion Trumps politics: because people, news pundits, and politicians don't know what the Quran actually says and they don't know the Bible tells how the world's going to end.
You know what Trump don't need glasses? cuz he's got 2020
@@jjphank i never mentioned anything about the quran in my original comment. I'm not sure why you felt the need to bring up the Koran, regardless, I believe that both "holy" books feature a God that takes morally reprehensible actions.
@@Joshokitty the Bible does not condone rape the Quran does in several places.
Allah says kill the Infidel just because they don't believe, God doesn't say to do that in the Bible.
When women and children are killed in the Bible is because they had infectious diseases or they were so perverse or both.
Guess what G, the kids automatically go to heaven anyone that dies Under 12 years old that's the best thing for them. eternity in hell is what you get when you live riresponsibly to God.
And you'll never get out of hell, there's no loopholes in the Bible all kinds of stupidity in the Koran.
But see you don't know anything about religion your response back was they're the same psych! you psyched yourself out.
Knowledge is power, reading is fundamental get to it.
Bible has quarantine laws in Leviticus. The Quran chapter 21 verse 43 Muhammad said one thing does not infect another he didn't believe in contagious diseases.
Said the whole human body is made from a blood clot the qurans a really stupid book.
You will be in hell if you don't investigate the Bible written by 40 writers no contradictions that means that God wrote it means his hands are squeaky clean on Judgement Day. To judge you and throw you into hell and there's no loopholes in the Bible like I just said you're not going to be slick rick on Judgement Day and tald yourself out of going into hell with God ,might as well start looking for the truth.
@@Joshokitty Absolutely right Josh, both the Bible and the Qur'an are highly morally questionable, the God of the Old Testament is a man-made creation who enjoys the smell of burnt flesh and wants his people to bow down to him and worship him, he butchers men women and children, there is very little to admire in him. Jesus in the New Testament ( who is also the God of the Old Testament if you can figure that out, and the Holy Ghost) he introduced this abhorrent concept of eternal hell for anyone who rejects him.
@@jjphank What does Jesus specifically say about rape?, does he mention it's unacceptable on the Sermon on the mount or in any of his other teachings. What does he say about slavery and the owning of other people as your own property? What does he say about people who are attracted to people of the same sex?, what are his views on that?
Another uncommon but very important point is, you can see a clear distinction on the judgment to be executed against the 7 tribes in the Canaan area, all those tribes were intermingled with the giants who originated from the Gen6 affair, to the point that even animals were executed and everything to be destroyed, seed corruption, all to prevent the Messiah from coming and salvation to be possible.
Didn't all the giants perish in the flood? Or did some Noah's children have giant genes? Or did some angels mate with women again after the flood?
@@olusegunesuruoso1460 The two main possibilities discussed are:
1- A second incursion after the flood
2- One of the wives (Noah's sons) having the gene
Not particularly defending either but keeping an open mind
There ya no evidence that they were giants and moreover three tree is no evidence that God disapproved of them interbreeding with humans. What God disapproved of was the violence they committed and this also influenced the behavior of the animals.
@@BigJFindAWay
Num 13:32
And they gave the children of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, “The land through which we have gone as spies is a land that devours its inhabitants, and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great stature.
Num 13:33
“There we saw the giants (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”
Can't be more clear than this...
Notice however that the reports of giants were given only by the ten faithless spies. The same spies who claimed that the land devours its people. Joshua and Caleb who remained faithful, never said anything about there being giants. And they remained so faithful that they were the only two among their generation allowed into the land.
This was great, thank you
Numbers 31- 17-18 has been a favorite area for the critics of the Bible. This answer is good if the person asking the question is a Christian. But if its coming from an Islamist or a deep bible critique then we have to provide a full defense
There key areas usually they poke with Numbers 31:
(1) Why does God order a complete wipe out including small male children?
(2) Why was Moses assigned to do the killing when killing was considered a sin.
(3) Regarding female virgins, the verse says "keep alive for yourselves". Was it for Sex slavery?
(4) Was God so cruel to order (1) (2) and (3)?
There is something in verses 16, 19 and 20 that gives a very good justification other than just the Gods punishment.
16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a *plague* among the congregation of the LORD.
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
19 And do ye abide without the camp *seven days* : whosoever hath killed any person, and whosoever hath touched any slain, purify both yourselves and your captives on the *third day* , and on the *seventh day*
20 And *purify* all your raiment, and all that is made of skins, and all work of goats' hair, and all things made of wood. note
In *Verse 16* , he mentions plague as the reason. Numbers 25:9, also talks about plague killing 24,000 Israelites and the source was referred to as Midianites spreading it.
Then in *Verse 17* he says hence kill all of them except the female virgins. That means all the active women and men were affected with Plague through sexual transmission. As part of their Baal worship they used to have sexual parties and used to cut themselves in the area of Worship. Also young boys used to undergo circumcision in the same area of Worship. That means except female virgins others might be carrying this plague and hence decided to keep female virgins alive.
Now if you look at *Verse 19* , he is talking about a 7 day quarantine before entering the town. That means they have to make sure that they haven't received the disease during the war.
In *Verse 20* , he is talking about sanitizing all the equipment used in the war to make sure that they won't carry the disease back to town.
So I believe *Plague*, *quarantine* and *sanitization* are a key indicator here. And only those little female virgins were not affected with disease and hence they were saved. So the rest of the Males, women and boys were killed to stop the spread of Plague. So it's fair to assume that Midianites were the source and carriers of plague... Otherwise we need to have a good explanation for why a quarantine was required and why a sanitization of the equipment was required for those who came in contact with Midianites in war.. Even the livestocks and other animals also killed because of this reason.
If wanted, God would have caused some local natural calamities like the Great flood to wipe out Midianites, but then the young females would not have been saved. Hence Moses was tasked for the same.
Now a question can come on whether the young females were saved for Sex Slavery? Its a pure speculation.. We cannot make our speculation a ground for strong interpretation and argument.. Instead let's look at what Bible rules talks about females caught in war, which will get applied here. Deuteronomy chapter 21 lays the rule on how you treat a female when they get captured in a war.. If they make her a sex slave then it's a sin and against the will of God
Is weird that young females were the only ones saved.. For what though? It sounds really bad that God said keep them for yourselves..
Btw I love God but somethings do make me cringe as a female myself.
Thank you so much.....
@@indiasarai534 pray about it, i understand how you feel, but illness was a huge problem back then. Jesus loves you. it's all gonna be okay!
Bravo. I love hearing Christians justify the slaughtering and/or collecting of little virgin girls for themselves. 1. The omnipotent Christian God couldn't be bothered with cleansing these poor children and cure their STDs? To difficult for Him, or he was just too busy that day? 2. The little boy virgins were killed, but the little girl virgins were permitted to live? Why exactly would this be the case if not for the sexual differences between these two sexes? Let's keep going. 3. Numbers explains that the Lord commanded Moses to give 32 of the little virgin girls to the Priest. The remainder of the "spoils" of war were divided up as the Lord commanded. Little virgin girls and prisoners were spoils of war? What value does 32 little virgin girls have for a male Priest? 4. You "expect to see murdered little children in heaven because they did nothing wrong" and perhaps the killing of these children saved them from "a godless eternity" (fate worse than death)? Well then, do you think I should go on a killing spree at all of my local nursery schools and daycares this week? I would be guaranteeing their eternity in heaven! If I let them live, there is a chance they won't find Jesus and be saved. Seems like a reasonable thing to do, right?
Brother, I know you mean well. Forgive my sarcasm. I've just about reached the end of my rope with the Bible. I keep faithfully reading my Bible, but the more I read, the worse my faith gets. The great flood, slaughtering kids, distributing little virgin girls as spoils of war, the Adam and Eve story, original sin, punishing children for sins of the parents for 7 generations, the Devil "persuaded" God to let him torture Job and kill this son and grandchildren, etc. How much do we have to accept before we say, enough! The True God is better than this. At what point do we admit that parts of the Bible are insulting to the True God? Rhetorical questions, I guess. I wish you well and despite my frustration laced comment, I wish you well.
(1) he ordered the complete wipe out of children one because hes all knowing so he knows whats they where going to do in the future
Or 2 its was hyperbole
(2) god tells moses to kill because moses from my understanding done a righteous killing. In thr bible its a sin to murder ( unjust or immoral killing)
(3) we don’t know if he ment sex slavery we know that back then woman who didn’t sleep with a man where pure. But all the women children
The females among the little ones:
that have not known a man by lying with him;
which might be pretty clear, and easily concluded, from their age:
keep for yourselves;
either to be handmaids to them, or to be married among them when grown up, and become proselytes, and initiated into their religion.
(4) from my understanding he so cruel because those people where oppressors and done many atrocities such as child sacrifice for many generations . God is a just god so because of that justice he had to punish then fairly similar to Sodom and Gamora
Praise Jesus
Hail Satan
Should have spoke about future judgement. "Judgement begins in the house of God."
That question as an apologist is easy to answer. It used to be hard. But when the Holy Spirit gives you revelation the question is even easier to answer. It’s the question I would have of the receiver’s reaction and process of the answer. As Paul Copan says in his book “Is God a moral monster” it’s hyperbolic language regarding exaggerations of the Canaanites being destroyed which later says in the verse...”and do not intermarry with them.” So they were not totally annihilated. Lol. Ahmein. As you see brother Cliff K. and Stewart; God used the Canaanites were used to judge the Jews. As we all know this. :-)
With regard to "Is God a moral monster?", the problem of suffering isn't an easy question to answer for a lot of Christians. Natural disasters and diseases which kill and maim thousands of children every year. Why would God create organisms which infect and kill infants? Some would say that's quite an evil thing to do.
bonnie43uk it’s a book. Read it yourself. Just one source with a good point as many global scholars would agree.
@@bonnie43uk here's hoping you get the attention you're seeking
@@GamesandTheoryApologetics I have read it. I'm not sure I understood what you meant when you said, " just one source with a good point" ? I was asking a specific question about God creating organisms which kill infants.
@@mr.s7522 You got your fingers crossed Sweenz eh.
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
I had this question come up today and I made a valiant attempt to explain 'why' the action was warranted in those cases and not in the rest of history, but I soon realized I was speaking to people who [in word] say they know the word of God, but [in heart] do not believe the word of God. I also realized that they had to pick and choose which parts they agree and disagree in the Bible as a "loving" God. Their soil is not the type that yields growth.
2:00 So God punished the children because of other people's choices to do evil?
yh i don't get it either. I'm so conflicted that the same god from the new testament ("Jesus") is the same one who ordered the killing of infants in 1 Samuel 15:3
Right. The only moral answer that I can see is that God was removing a contamination that existed in certain tribes, i.e., the spiritual/biological contamination of the Nephilim. Otherwise the arguments in favor of genocide fail.
@@Frenk33 They would do the same things their parents did and go to hell. There is to much fuss about God ordering people to kill people, that would be the problem, not "God killing people", he "kills" or let people die everyday. It's just that life here is insignificant compared to eternal life. If we don't have eternal life, our life here is meaningless. The only thing that matters is what lasts forever.
It proves that jehovah God is very serious about punishing all those who disobey and despise Him.
It only proves that he was only human and not a god. Same with Yahweh.
@Josieb4008
"The fool said in his heart there's no God."
And if you believe in Allah....he is ahad, "one of" 360 pagan gods of kabaah.
@@akeelmasih1110
It was a higher power that woke me up at 4 a.m and showed me in my bible that he was only human.
@Josieb4008
I don't know what Bible you are reading or how you are reading the Bible.
We do not read some verses and disregard other verses when we read the Bible. We need to reconcile and harmonize each verse with others.
To understand some verses, you have to know the history, culture, and other factors that may explain a verse that could have deeper meaning than just reading a verse.
Unitarianism is not reading the Bible. They are only reading the New Testament. So, stop saying that the Bible gave you that idea.
@@akeelmasih1110 Yehovah was human. I have deeply studied the history of the Bible(kjv), the origin of Genesis (The Enuma Elish tablets and the seven tablets of creation). Which confirmed that both Yehovah and Yahweh were humans from another star within our solar system.
Genesis 6:3 also reads:
My breath shall not abide in humankind forever, since it TOO is flesh; let the days allowed them be one hundred and twenty years.”-
We were made by beings from another star millions of years ago. We have their DNA.. We used to be able to live to be close to one thousand years old, but our DNA was altered by those beings and now, although Yahweh and Yehovah are able to live very long lives, we no longer can; our altered DNA shortened our lifespan to 120 years.
I AM TIRED OF PEOPLE SABOTAGING OTHERS ON HERE.
Jacob Fongemie Right on Jacob
I wonder why the unbeliever can make an explanation that enter human sense and believer trust in a something that doesn’t make any sense, something that we call miracle. The unbeliever fight and struggle just to investigate something that doesn’t make any sense and convert it to something that make sense. Some have the answer, some just make it up, some fight for their own opinion.
11:53 I feel like you just made a pretty good point.. like God gave them 400 whole years to repent!! And yet they kept on going with their sacrifices and bestiality and baby sacrifice to false gods... So even if God HAD spared the babies and women... We cannot tell for sure if those people would have turned away from their sin.. (400 years is a lot..and most probably they would not have stopped.. God definitely knew best) and thus allowing the babies and women and men to LIVE, would have been equal to hellish suffering for them on the earth.. the babies were innocent!!! And life in Heaven is DEFINITELY in the BEST interests of God's creation!!
Allowing animals to live= suffering for them by bestiality
Allowing babies to live= suffering by their parents offering them as living sacrifices through intense torture...
And men and women had to face that judgement... Because something HAD to be done to put an END to all this sin.
It's like a judge who sentences a serious criminal to a death sentence because of the utterly HEINOUS nature of his/her crimes. It is legal and just.
Not because we don't understand what happened in the old testament means that God is wrong. I believe God saved those children indeed
yeah by ordering for the killing of them your god morality is worse than isis
@@KalliAbdourGod gives you life 'does not care'. God takes away your life 'ohh my goddd he is soo evilll 😭😭😭' 2.we literally do the same in today's world 💀 abortion is normal now
@@MafelaDaniel2-vj8qbdo you think I consider abortion to be normal thing?
All true believers are truely grateful to God with never ending gratitude for everything, but especially for being brought into existence by the creator.
For getting this sniff of life right now and later on Everlasting Life.
And whilst we are grateful to God it would be remiss of us not to express our gratitude to the servants of the Lord, in this case Cliffe and Stewart, who effectually minister to us on a ongoing basis. To them we are also sincerely grateful.
This topic of wiping em all out is an interesting one.
With thy permission I’d to draw an analogy between this topic and the movie The Godfather.
The first bad guy on the scene is a guy who is running the show in the town of Corleone.
And we see a mother begging him to spare her young son’s life.
He has already killed the father and the older brother.
But he refuses.
He says “if I let him live he will want his revenge when he is a man “
Okay bad as this guy is, nevertheless he’s essentially making a statement of fact.
And what we’ve got to realise that those children whom the Jews killed would have eventually wanted their revenge.
So much so that they would have even justified infant sacrifice and the whole thing would have started all over again.
Baal worship was one of the cruelest control mechanisms ever invented.
Talk about heartbreak hotel.
Imagine having to throw your first born child into the fire. It certainly got the women in line.
You can be sure as sugar that a society like that would have been toeing the line like there was no tomorrow. They were completely under the thumb.
How did it originate I wonder?
How did all this come about you might ask.
It’s probably not rocket science is it?
Maybe someone running the show said hey we need to come up with a better way to control this lot. They are getting out of hand. They fuss and they fight and they complain and next thing you know they’ll have a revolution and we’ll be down the road.
Let’s make them sacrifice their first born child. That’ll calm them down.
That’ll gut them. That’ll tame them.
And that’s probably what happened.
Presumably the rulers and the priests were exempt. That takes all of a New York minute to figure out.
It's almost as of God is all knowing and he saw what the future held if those children were allowed to live. So he make the decision to snip the problem at its core. In a way that sent the message. Hey I am the truth and you all will be punished for misbehaving.
@@TheGhostPack These dreadful massacres were all about God ensuring that His requirement for obedience, namely the 10 commandments were obeyed, otherwise the entire human race would have gone down the tubes and miss out on Everlasting Life. This is why He created mankind. Man likes to rebel against God, apply expressed with the necessity of the flood to destroy the rebellious which was everyone except for the obedient 8 on the Ark. It was not all about punishment although they got punished, but it was about preventing that human contamination from spreading. God did the same with Sodom and Gomorrah for the same reasons. Without grateful obedience to God we are ill suited to synergise with what God has prepared for those in the life to come, for those who wisely love Him. Hence His insistence on obedience to His 10 great laws. But instead of wisely obeying the creator most will be in a state of rebellion and defy God and be cast into hell to be destroyed.
I don't understand the hyperbole argument since Samuel was commanded to go finish off the lives that Solmon spared. As a Christian, I'd be interested your response.
So god can kill innocent children but cant kill satan?
Oh no, you see, god needs a scapegoat to blame for all the evil things he does.
Children aren't worth anything to him. Just as adults. And humans in general.
@@Gaming.Gamer.I’m sorry but your an idiot, if God didn’t care about humans, why would he become one and Died a humiliating death for humanity, when he could’ve easily deleted us, it’s not Satan that make us sin, we choose the propositions he place, but he doesn’t make us sin, we enjoy them
Satan it’s an eternal being, and we are aswell that’s why u get hell, and Satan it’s not the reason why we sin, even in a world without Satan we would still sin, Satan just presented us the possibilities and we double down and did worse, so surely Satan will be judged, but the thing is, if God holds back in judging us humans, Satan it’s not anything different, when the gates of hell open not just Satan will he judge but the whole world, God doesn’t hold back bc of importance, but bc we all deserve hell, but he allows the abuse we do cause even when we act like beasts God wants the best outcome for everyone, God sees babies, children’s who grew up to hurt and destroy, we all have the same value, but regardless if we can’t even understand eachothers point of view, how can we ever understand God’s
The God is the same but due to the history of his interactions with humans the situation changes
Also Rahab was there, and obviously survived because she’s listed in the genealogy of Christ. (Matthew 1:5)
John 8:15
I simply can... NOT... condem this action
Sorting the wheat from the chaff
My question would rather be: killing is always bad, just the act of doing it, why would god let his people going through it? Like I’m not asking about „victims” rather the perpetrators. Cutting people, battles, war;wouldn’t it make someone get ptsd etc?
There’s really no good answer. This will never make sense.
The Gen6 answer is a good answer, and the only one that makes sense,. i.e., certain tribes were contaminated by Nephilim blood, which came about by the mingling of fallen angels and humans and animals.
@@TravelinOn-tb9hyseek a psychologist
Sad how those who were killed were doing vile things like sacrificing babies and children and committing all sorts of abominations - absolutely wicked people
yeah the kids how were killed were also evil to you are a genius
Yeah those evil doers, sacrificing children. they would probably even do something as vile as sacrificing their one and only begotten son. Oh wait.
@@Abcde7213 Jesus is God. He sacrificed himself so that you could have the gift of eternal life - he took your sins upon himself so that you can be purified if you so choose. Then he rose from the dead on the third day and ascended to his throne in heaven. Forever to look like a human because he loves you. He died from the weight of the sin of every human being - the cross isn’t what killed him - it’s our sins that killed him - yours too. Those evil wicked people slaughtered their children out of selfish greed and to offer a gift to Satan. Who do you give honor to? God Jehovah the one who loves you and created you or Satan the one who hates you and wants to destroy you? It’s one or the other
@@lorae7I don't believe that god will command people to kill kids or that he will appear as a human to be moked and killed so I can sin and don't feel guilty about it
@@lorae7 your theology is such nonsense. Jesus is supposedly god but at the same time is also his son. So in the garden of gethsemane he prays to himself that he won’t sacrifice himself? Your book says that Adam and Eve were expelled from the garden expressly so that they might not have eternal life. So why would god even want man to have eternal life. Another contradiction. How is Jesus death justice for the sins of others? If someone murdered your loved one would you be satisfied that justice had been served if your mailman went to jail for an afternoon instead of the murderer? And yes an afternoon. Jesus supposedly suffered death for 3 days as a substitute for others eternal suffering. That’s nothing. Shouldn’t he be expected to suffer eternally if he really substituted himself for your punishment? And it’s nonsense that one should be expected to believe in Jesus to accept their forgiveness. If sin is a rebellion against god and jesus came to forgive all sins , it stands that he should forgive the sin of disbelief. Saying that Jesus died to cover all sins isn’t true. I’m overwhelmed by the amount of nonsense christians believe
So who are american black people ? It always been confusing to me ....Anyone
Stuart trying to justify the genocides or mass murders with “Goods” of the bible, and other examples of “wickedness” outside of christianity or practiced by canaanites is really gross. What is the good in a moral system where mass murder is justified? I mean really. Why are you guys trying to reconcile mass genocides instead of admitting it is wrong and evil.
In minute 6:05 you mentioned that God used the Jews for that specific reason to bring the messiah thru them. My question is since the jews are rejecting Jesus as the messiah, are they still God's people or do they no longer have the protection of God?
They are still God’s people because God promised Abraham an everlasting covenant and not by Abraham but By God’s own promise, irrelevant of Abraham’s action besides faith. Not all Jews are saved but He still covers them. Those who bless Israel Will be blessed and if one follows the Promise ( invest in Israel financially and you will never be broke) because God promises those who bless them shall receive the same reward multiplied. They have programs where you can fund for a Jewish person to return home and other organizations that help the people. God bless !
@@hanzoftexas618 good answer but it goes deeper than that they get to see Warcraft it into the chosen people is real as well we as Christians have the same opportunity to know God to know Christ the way the Jews to did and do. And if we refuse to know Christ or if we choose to turn away from him after knowing him because we prefer sin or other things over him at our doing our loss and we pay the price we do not get the gift of his death on the cross that's why it's called free will. But there are some who were Jews back then maybe even today who really don't know the truth of the message and so therefore they're not held accountable they only held to the light they have and there are Christians today or people in the jungle who may not at this moment no of Christ in Aurora Health that same standard and their gift on the cross is still not bestowed upon them because God knows their heart now their hearts evil they will not have a place in the Kingdom. But if there are heart is righteous because God gave him Grace to know right from wrong and to objectively turn from wrong then they are going to be saved. Is a Catholic one time a long time ago did my best to follow the so-called rules but do not live knowing Christ is a big difference. But I found Christ over 20 years ago that's the difference and knowing truly who Christ is and having a relationship with him letting him change my heart to the point where I no longer want to sin or struggle with those sins is the difference and so therefore I get to be grafted into his family his righteousness his blood on the cross and be forgiven for my sins.
They are not the chosen people anymore. Christianity is now worldwide. God doesn't have 1 nation anymore who spreads out his message. There are Christians from all types of nations who do God his work. Christians from all nations are now the chosen people
They are not God's people. Christian believers with the faith of Abraham are God's children. Period.
Because He's a big creep.
there is some pornography that god is telling them in the old testament to so your not wrong about the god of Christianity
Good explanation
The ONLY rational fear is “ Humbly Fear God ( I AM ) in the name of Jesus ( Judge, Jury & Holy Punishment ( Blessing ))! Death is simply the door to standing before God on The Day Of Judgement! Genuinely seek /act upon God in your heart eternally OR perish in Hell!!!
Well but that mean, if i kill you in the name of god. It's won't be murder. God impose rules that he doesn't respect himself. I would choose hell if god exist.
Sounds like a “loving god” 😳
Some good answers here to a difficult question (for us who are not God anyway). But I keep seeing the same question about the killing of 'women and children' by God. In addition to what Cliff says here I would ask,: Why should women get a pass when God decides He's had enough of their abominations and declares judgement upon them? Women were just as guilty of sacrificing their children to their idols and quite a few other abominations as were the men. What is it about women that makes them so special that they should be exempt from God's judgement? Only men should be judged by God in such a manner?
Consider @christianprince4430 who talks about the sexual transmitted disease which the virgins didn’t have
I don't believe that God have really ordered killing? How a holy and good God who commanded not to kill by himself he give an ordered if killing? There is a misunderstanding of this topic of old testament.
It is impossible for God to command this. and Islam is the correct religion. There is no god but Allah, and if you enter Islam, then you will be With the real team of Jesus, peace be upon him
@@AlaaLola-fx5fx Quran is worst ion this
@@mr-ladi617says the dude that never touched the Quran or read it in his life I read the bible dude it's a complete garbage especially the old testament I don't joke with you I catched my brother touching himself when he was reading the song of songs 😂
@@KalliAbdour I have read Quran too and Is worst than Bible on concept of killing
@@mr-ladi617Samuel 15 3 give me one verse like that in the Quran
Hallo i have a Question ? I have a good Friend and he told me to show him God only he can believe God is real. because he thinks bible is just a book like Harry Potter. i don't know what to say him?
You have to tell him to ask God to show himself and to be serious and persistent and to say that he would be ready to repent from his sins if God would show himself to him.
Steal his wallet and see if he is upset. If he is and claims injustice, ask him, “why” and “what is his basis for this belief of injustice.”
My point is that justice isn’t relative. There is a objective standard of justice. That standard is God.
Therefore, if your friend is upset about his wallet being stolen, then that’s evidence of his living with an understanding of objective standard of right and wrong, whether he acknowledges it or not.
@@larryyoungjr I would say that his basis for this belief of injustice ( having his wallet stolen), is that we dont like having our stuff stolen, i dont believe stealing is an immoral objective standard that came from God. We're taught at a very young age from our parents about right and wrong, it's an evolved trait that goes back a very long time. In order for humans to live in relative peace with other humans, we needed a system of rules that we all understood. Virtually every animal on the planet has a set of basic rules that they have inherited from the previous generation. Ours are more refined because we have a larger brain.
@@bonnie43uk "please reply"
It’s a hard fact for some Christians to accept, but some people will just never accept God no matter what.
Find out where your friend’s heart is. If he’s truly seeking wisdom, he’ll be easier to talk to. If his heart is hard, he’ll never believe no matter how much logic and intellect you use.
Remember, your job is to share the message and live a righteous Christian life, not convert people- that’s God’s business.
Adding to this.. These creatures were the remnants of the Nephilim, the Anunaki, Rephaim ect. They had corrupted genes because rebellious angels mated with human women and corrupted God's creation with an illegitimate seed. Daniel 2:43 "43 As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay." Thats what started back when the flood was released & thats what happened when Caleb saw the giant tribes of Cannan. Now imagine what they're doing now with gene mapping & splicing. They're messing with God's instruction book for all life. Thats why the Flood occurred.
Interesting perspective and and I am a Christian, but we ought to see evidence of this in nature are we not? I have heard DNA analysts describing how curtain races have mixed with Neanderthals and other pre-historic humans. Is it potayto / potato maybe?
@@Savantjazzcollective you won't see evidence because the Israelites wiped out there descendants. Also David and goliath, global flood, the spies being like grasshoppers .
@@wackpdot1 we ought to see bones as we do in nature with everything else pre-dating the flood aswell as DNA/ proteins. If we are bible believers, we ought to test the bibles claims to see if they line up with reality as much as we can. Of course finding no proof doesn't prove its non existence.
@@Savantjazzcollective they have found bones of giants. But it will never make the news.
@@wackpdot1 ok if true, is that what science would call pre-historic humans and we call nephilum or something entirely different from the scientific account?
If God judged people for sacrificing children, why did he push Abraham to sacrifice his child to see if he'd do it? That doesn't make sense
If God is all knowing and omnipotent, knowing the future, then He knew that Abraham wouldn’t actually have sacrificed his son isaac, because God knew Abraham to be righteous in God’s sight, he knew God well enough to know that He wouldn’t allow him to sacrifice His son.
Isaac spoke up and said to his father Abraham, "Father?" "Yes, my son?" Abraham replied. "The fire and wood are here," Isaac said, "but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?"
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Abraham answered, "God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering, my son." And the two of them went on together.
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When they reached the place God had told him about, Abraham built an altar there and arranged the wood on it. He bound his son Isaac and laid him on the altar, on top of the wood.
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Then he reached out his hand and took the knife to slay his son.
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But the angel of the LORD called out to him from heaven, "Abraham! Abraham!" "Here I am," he replied.
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"Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son."
God is all knowing so he knew abraham would sacrifice his kid so that's why he stopped him. he was just testing abraham's faith but he wasn't actually gonna make abraham do it.
Because he was bored
This might be only acceptable ans for God has some serious issues 🙄
Stuart says "if you're an atheist there is no evil" , of course there is evil, it's a common term in everyday usage for things that sicken us as human beings. It doesn't matter what culture or faith, .. or lack thereof, that you have, we can all recognize an evil act.
> he wants someone to write to him for hours every day on a RUclips comment section
@@mr.s7522 Lol, well, i don't know about hours every day.
@@freightshayker Hi again David, heh, this "something from nothing" argument comes up a lot in Christian/atheist debates. I'm not making the claim that something came from nothing, it's one of the things that science is still trying to figure out.. how the universe came into being.. we're getting closer and closer to finding out the answer, but, it may well not be known for quite a while, or it may even be something that will always elude man. The reason for us being here on this tiny planet. It's something I think about quite often, sometimes you just have to admit you dont know everything. I was listening to a scientist a while back say that "there are far more things in the Universe that we, as a species, don't know, than there are things that we *do* know". That's quite a profound thought, esp given the millions of things we know. How old do you think this planet we live on is David?, is that something that interests you?.
Logic, reason and morality ( including the concept of evil) are things that mankind has slowly attained as part of our evolution over millions of years, it's been a very gradual process, there are lots of books and video's etc that go into great detail as to how and why we acquired these concepts, they explain it much better than I ever could. You are absolutely right, they are immaterial things, as are things like love and hate. Of course, religious people will tell you that they came from whichever God you happen to believe in, you are free to believe that if you wish. As you said David, .. it makes perfect sense to you.. as indeed it would make perfect sense to a Muslim that these immaterial traits came from Allah.
If your God exists, .. then who made him? ..ah, you will tell me he's always existed. Well, how do you know that with any degree of certainty.. it's beyond the scope of our knowledge to know such a thing with certainty.. as i see it anyway. Science isn't claiming we know how and why everything came into being.. we're endeavoring as a species to find out as much as we can about the universe. As a species, we've done pretty well I think to get as far as we've got. But there is so much out there, we're only scratching the surface so to speak.
@@freightshayker You said it David. "That is faith", that' is what it boils down to I guess, having a deep belief. How does your personal experience manifest itself David, is it something external and supernatural? Does the Lord Jesus actually speak to you?, if so, what has he said to you? That is a serious question, I'm keen to know more. Is it something you can explain?
There’s evil, but there’s no objective basis to call anything evil.
Let’s see if the kids of any of these defendants of genocide, gets killed by someone who claims that’s the will of god, let’s see if they’ll take their on justification, completely ignorance followed by no rationality, shame on both of you.
This was also a time before the redemption of Christ so if God said those people were wicked and irredeamable, it means he knew that any survivor man woman or child would bring nothing but evil
will isis and Hitler and the idf are using that exact argument so
If you start defending God's actions here by saying that they where neccesary for a higher purpose, then that is ok. However, by that point he is no longer perfect, but acts just like a human. A flawee God, therefore, not a perfect one
I mean isis kills people for the sack of a higher power so everyone can use that exact argument for anything
@@KalliAbdourisis isn't yahweh
@@Blackrose01330yeah but they are commanding the same things the killing of the kids
Do you meant God is a murderer? Jesus was a full revelation of God but he never killed instead he was killed.
so you believe that god had a god son that was manhandled by some romens
@@KalliAbdourhis son was asshole just like him frank
I mean they are the same person in the end@@Blackrose01330
@@KalliAbdournah I think he meant God saw that we all deserved hell so out of his kindness he came to us, took our sins on his shoulders and chose the Cross so that all we have to do is believe and have faith in him so we may go to heaven.
@@MafelaDaniel2-vj8qbyou sound like a good man bro like I'm Muslim but if you are watching a religious video don't go to the comments the fandom are toxic and they will be stuck in your head I did that mistake and now I'm as if not more of an as"hole than them 😊
Cause he will again!! Did you not read in Revelations God Will Cast down his Spirt on all flesh and some will not Except his Spirt and some will. Ones Rejected his Spirit will call War with Gods Children with a Double Spirt. War lasts 3 1/2 Years Boss. You Need Call out Who You Serve. Your anger will be More Furry when you Reject Gods Spirit. God Speed
Ha, ha, ha. Just listen to this guy and his word salad. It’s easy to claim all sorts of interpretations are the truth. How can a person living in this century, with our increased knowledge, technological advances and scientific techniques, still give credence to ancient tales from a time of comparative ignorance.
An old man from the ww2 era dies, god meets him to welcome him to heaven, as he’s being led he tells god a joke about the holocaust, god replies that’s not funny, the old man replies , well I guess you would have to be there!!!
Not funny.
@@godislove363 Humor is subjective Jacob, in your view it's not funny, but other people may well have found it humorous, when i read Joels joke, I assumed the ww2 guy was a holocaust survivor.. and it raised a smile, not a laugh, but i could definitely see the humor in the joke. You will find humor in the darkest places.. sometimes it's the humor that gets you through the worst of times.
@@bonnie43ukit's just not funny bro 💀 if 99 people out of 100 people find it not funny than it's not funny simple as that.
@@MafelaDaniel2-vj8qb Are you aware of the holocaust joke in the comedy series "Seinfeld" ?
VERY GOOD REASONING, however you are still in dypers.
You NEED to LISTEN to what Jesus said about he's PHATHER.
The father does not judge, kill, hate. Still, etc.
Yahweh/jehovah/satanas DOES!
And this was before Yeshua before the new law came
so you disown the old testament
@@KalliAbdour it’s like moral of the stories and foreshadowing in the Bible.
Example Isiah was predicted Yeshua
@@Kuzkruzso your saying that the old testament were just historical story's and not the law of god
@@KalliAbdour no what I’m saying is that
1 they were and are the foundation of the laws but now the New Testament Yeshua came to for fill it.
Yeshua made things clear like to not commit polygamy because as we learned Solomon in the Old Testament had many wives that lead him away from God
@@Kuzkruzand he bringed the new testament just to complete the law's not to refuse the old testament law's
* So the old testament is full of hyperbole - in other words, not actual facts.
* Interesting thing about the 10 commandments - nothing in there like "Thou shall not keep slaves" or "Thou shall not sexually abuse children".
It is true. The lie is making ppl believe that Yahweh was a god. He was a human. An evil human.
Interesting thing, the Bible speaks of those things, and God says abusing Kids is Evil. And the second book of the Bible, God tells Moses to lead his people out of slavery. And God is the main reason why they could get out of slavery. God goes against slavery, heavily.
Remember that people were punished for others mistake . David lost his son (Joseph’s brother others lost kids ). God couldn’t not had that written or maybe never have David a son but the point is that life. But god is just. Imagine getting killed in earth living for 1-100 years and god giving you eternal life infinity joy rewarding the babies .if god is just in this word he will be in heaven because some people have to pay in blood. Think about it if you kid became a killer or sexual predator or molester and your god you would have to kill his son to ( bring justice to the people your son killed) . YES it’s messed up . Until you realize that gods almighty plan in heaven . If he killed those kids and didn’t give them life he would be unjust but because I know his just I know those babies will be rewarded.
there is a big difference between a god how take life naturally and a god how order his people to kill a god how order his people to kill kids is no difference than isis how kills people for the name of god
People always say if God is all knowing and all powerful why doesn’t he stop evil. So God judged evil and people today say how can your loving God judge evil. No matter what atheists will not be satisfied with the answer. Yes I believe killing innocent kids is wrong but if God said leave the kids than he would be an evil God because he left the kids to starve not being able to care for themselves. I’m pretty sure those kids were welcome in heaven with open arms.
Yes!! That is what I believe too! You're spot on! 👌
The only two options for those children was to stab them to death or starve them to death? God couldn’t have had a more creative solution?
Could've asked the kids to be adopted? I personally think it was hyperbole
He could have fed them,and let them know his word.
@@Ann-sj4pt Jesus is king
Jesus didn’t go to heaven on “ that “ day 8:50 point of the video . That’s the only thing I disagree with , plus Hosea 13:6 and Numbers 31:17 they were worshipping Baal ,,, big no no
Hello Brian!!! 🤗😊
Grace Hi Grace .
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Goodnight
The Bible does say that Jesus told the thief on the cross "today you will be with me in paradise." 🤗😘😊
Grace Matthew 23:43 Jesus does say that . What He means is that He is telling the thief on that day (today)as opposed to telling the thief yesterday or on any other day
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God in his foreknowledge had a reason to command Israel to do this. Gods character, holy, just, loving, etc… In Christianity there are several interpretations on this topic. Maybe not all listed in this video, but God gave 400 years of a wicked people time to repent. Only God knows what would have happened if he let these people lived on with their lives and ways.
will why kill the kids and taking vergen girls as slaves
Come on wrong is wrong
Islam is the truth ☪️ ❤
@@AlaaLola-fx5fx Allah is the greatest deceiver of them all. Also known as Satan. Yeah Islam raping and abusing women and pedophilia certainly is wrong.
@@AlaaLola-fx5fx Allah is the greatest deceiver of them all. Also known as the devil. Islam certainly oppresses women and children too.
@@keithbirdwellwe oppres woman and children you kill them and enslave the virgin of course dude David in your book raped a woman and killed her husband and Moses was angry because his disciples didn't kill kids and woman and enslave the virgin and lot tired to sell his daughter after they raped him Abraham raped a slave you can sell your daughter's In the Mosaic law but god changed didn't he 😂
brother kliffe..among all the christian apologist active in social media i respected u most and as a truth seeker i used to see your video....i like u because it seems me that you are gentle, polite,well behaved, logical ,rational, have respect for other faith and unlike others your speech doesn't express hatred , mocking and arrogance to other religion. i saw a video where u said that u follow Jesus but no church or religion.But this time i feel pity to see you that you are trying to defend a heinous crime for the shake of religion which exposes your hypocrisy and double standard.
now let me show your double standard and hypocrisy. In a video you told that by analyzing life and deeds you prefer Jesus over Muhammad because Muhammad gave order for execution of people, Muhammad went to war and Muhammad's moral position about women. Little is known about Jesus's life except for the last few years when he preached. he didn't marry or fathered none and was apparently free from all personal, familial or social responsibilities and liabilities.It is relatively easy for such a free man to achieve greatness by involving in various philanthropic activities .there is no doubt that in the known time period Jesus lived a great moral life and expressed great sympathy and love towards distressed people. Within His recorded preaching period of 3-4 years he impacted personal life by his god gifted power of healing disease and deformity but died without leaving any social or political impact.His society or country remain unchanged after his death. His teaching passed through his disciples and follower for first 3 centuries with very little impact on history and civilization and became a major and influential religion when roman empire accepted Christianity as their state religion. so the credits of establishing Christianity as the foremost religion of current world goes to his disciples and the roman empire.
On the other hand Muhammad was not only a prophet but also a successful merchant, a husband, a father, founder of a state and one of the greatest empire and civilization, a statesman, a solder, general, diplomat and above all a leader. He was engaged heavily with society, country,family, politics, economy ,foreign affairs, war and conflicts, social and political reformation and leading an emerging nation to greatness and in every aspect of his life he was extremely successful. He impacted not only person but also his time and the time after his death. He transformed his companion from an ordinary man to versatile personality who just few years after his death built such an empire that contested with two gigantic superpower at a same time and defeated them both. To avoid persecution he migrated to Medina where he founded a state because by his extra ordinary wisdom he came to realize that without the support of a state his newly founded faith won't survive in a turbulent geopolitical condition where it thrived. to ensure the security of his new founded state from relentless attack of his enemies he had to go to war.he fought to defend his country that any person even Jesus would do. brother kliffe, your double standard is that you are justifying an invasion followed by worst type of genocide but condemn someone who fought to protect his country, people and faith, Is it not an act of hypocrisy brother kliffe..??
you accused Muhammad for giving death sentence which Jesus didn't do. Muhammad was a statesman and as a chief he had to do it as per law to punish war criminal or the enemy of the state and state can lawfully kill a person if he committed a crime which punishment is death . Many Prophets had done this like Moses, David or Solomon as the ruler or chief of the nation. would you condemn Moses, David or Solomon for doing this ..? but u condemn Muhammad for this..!! what a double standard..!!
the third issue i don'r like to discuss here because my comment is getting bigger and it is not related with the current context but surely i am confident that i can prove you wrong in this issue too.
lastly i will pray for u so that Allah may show you the right path.
The reason for the killing of women and children of the Caananites was they were polluted with satans seed. They were giants which came from satans seed (Genesis 3:15), hybrid beings from fallen angels "who came into daughters of men"(Genesis 6:4) which the offspring were Nephilim (gigantes which means "earth born"). Satans strategem was to make a hybrid being to thwart the genealogy of Christ. Moses said the Nephilim were in the land and "afterwards."
Moses wrote the Torah around 1,000 years after the flood and Nephilim were here after the fall and "after" the flood, hence the reason for the flood.
If the flood was to wipe out man because of sin and committing evil all the time, then we all need some life jackets right now.
There was a gene pool problem that is why GOD said to destroy the Caananites & co. (Deut. 7:2) but then right after said don't marry them (Deut. 7:3).
That's what I believe the Scriptures say as a born again, Spirit filled, crucified follower of Christ Jesus.
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Correct. And the only answer that morally justifies the action taken.
@@TravelinOn-tb9hy you're delusional
@@Blackrose01330 Yo mama.
@@TravelinOn-tb9hy f your God and holy Pepsi
God commanded the killing of women and children in the Old Testament - because they, like everyone else then or today, were guilty. "The wages of sin is death." If they received the wage of death, it's because they earned it by working sin (or by inheriting their father Adam's wages which he earned by working sin for them).
Do you deny original sin, Cliffe? The sin and guilt of Adam WASN'T imputed to his children as our sin was imputed to Christ on the cross and his righteousness was imputed to us? You've just denied the Gospel, Cliffe. I too believe all infants who die as infants (before they reach the age where they've eaten from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil for themselves (i.e., sinned willfully with knowledge and understanding of the evil they are doing)) are saved, but they are not saved because they are innocent, they are saved from their sin by Jesus Christ because they were guilty. Guilty in Adam, and if they were old enough before they died, guilty of sins of ignorance too. Thus, the Canaanite high priest of Moloch who sacrificed his own son to that demon idol is in Hell, but the infant son whom he sacrificed is in the bosom of Christ. But I have a biblical means by which this could be accomplished by Christ.
According to scripture, "the wages of sin is death", and "the soul that sins shall surely die". People only die because they are guilty: "In the day you eat thereof, dying you shall surely die." No guilt, no death. if someone dies that means they were guilty. Death is the covenant curse for our violation of the covenant of works in Eden, either in Adam, or personally, or both. Even Christ died, not because he had personally sinned, but because our sin had been imputed to him on the cross. It was real guilt that required his real death. That is the exact same sort of imputed guilt by which even infants are judged by God and die. No imputation of Adam's sin to us? No imputation of our sin to Christ. No imputation of Christ's righteousness to us. No possibility of our salvation. ONLY infants are saved in this view because ONLY infants haven't personally sinned ignorantly (if they're young enough) or willfully (both are non-imputed sin). But of course, even such infants cannot be saved in the full sense, because being innocent of sin is not sufficient to gain Heaven. One must be positively righteous to earn Heaven. Sinlessness is a necessary but insufficient condition for admittance into God's presence. We must be righteous, but infants aren't righteous even though they are sinless (on this view). Sinlessness alone only gets them back into the Garden under probation again, as Adam was before he sinned.
[Deuteronomy 3:3-7 NASB] "[3] "So the LORD our God delivered Og also, king of Bashan, with all his people into our hand, and we smote them until no survivor was left. [4] "We captured all his cities at that time; there was not a city which we did not take from them: sixty cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. [5] "All these were cities fortified with high walls, gates and bars, besides a great many unwalled towns. [6] "We utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women and children of every city. [7] "But all the animals and the spoil of the cities we took as our booty."
(1) How many infants died when God brought judgment by water in the flood, Cliffe? There was not a single infant that died in the Noahic Deluge, wherein all humanity perished save 8 souls? Nonsense. However many there were, they all died in God's judgment of Adam's rebellious kingdom - the land. Even the land animals died. Why? Because they too were citizens of Adam's rebellious kingdom and under his covenant authority.
(2) Israel in the Promised Land is a recapitulation of Adam in the Garden. Ever wondered just exactly what Adam was supposed to do with that talking serpentine dragon in God's temple garden Mt. Eden? Read what Israel was supposed to do to the Canaanites in God's temple garden Mt. Zion.
(3) It is precisely BECAUSE Adam/Israel did not obey God's command to destroy the Serpents interloping in God's temple gardens to the letter that both were driven out of God's temple gardens toward the east. Both were temple guardians and both failed by not obeying God's command to them. Both listened to and believed the lies of the Dragon rather than listening to God. Both listened to the Dragon because they hadn't driven him out of the garden or killed him if he wouldn't leave, as God commanded. No dragon in the garden? No satanic temptation. No temptation? No Fall and expulsion from Paradise.
(4) But you'll notice that it's an entirely different matter when Christ comes. He came in the power of the Holy Spirit into God's temple garden immediately after being tested for 40 days in the wilderness (sound familiar?), and immediately began driving the Serpentine Dragon out of God's new temple garden. He drove the demons out of God's new temple garden, his people. He healed them. He brought them to life. He opened their eyes and he opened their ears. He spoke God's words to them. He cleansed their uncleanness. He set the captives of the Serpent at liberty. Jesus the Son of God did what both Adam the son of God (Lk. 3:38) and national Israel the son of God ("Israel is My son, My firstborn." Ex. 4:22) failed to do. He drove the Serpentine Dragon/the Canaanites/the Demons out of God's new temple garden mount - His people.
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[Joshua 23:12-13 NASB] "[12] "For if you ever go back and cling to the rest of these nations, these which remain among you, and intermarry with them, so that you associate with them and they with you, [13] know with certainty that the LORD your God will not continue to drive these nations out from before you; but they will be a snare and a trap to you, and a whip on your sides and thorns in your eyes, until you perish from off this good land which the LORD your God has given you."
[Numbers 33:55-56 NASB] "[55] 'But if you do not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you, then it shall come about that those whom you let remain of them [will become] as pricks in your eyes and as thorns in your sides, and they will trouble you in the land in which you live. [56] 'And as I plan to do to them, so I will do to you.'""
[Exodus 23:31-33 NASB] "[31] "I will fix your boundary from the Red Sea to the sea of the Philistines, and from the wilderness to the River [Euphrates;] for I will deliver the inhabitants of the land into your hand, and you will drive them out before you. [32] "You shall make no covenant with them or with their gods. [33] "They shall not live in your land, because they will make you sin against Me; for [if] you serve their gods, it will surely be a snare to you.""
[Deuteronomy 7:1-5 NASB] "[1] "When the LORD your God brings you into the land where you are entering to possess it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you, [2] and when the LORD your God delivers them before you and you defeat them, then you shall utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them and show no favor to them. [3] "Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. [4] "For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; then the anger of the LORD will be kindled against you and He will quickly destroy you. [5] "But thus you shall do to them: you shall tear down their altars, and smash their [sacred] pillars, and hew down their Asherim, and burn their graven images with fire."
[Deuteronomy 20:16-18 NASB] "[16] "Only in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes. [17] "But you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittite and the Amorite, the Canaanite and the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite, as the LORD your God has commanded you, [18] so that they may not teach you to do according to all their detestable things which they have done for their gods, so that you would sin against the LORD your God."
No innocent or righteous person (by God's standard of innocence and righteousness) has ever died, Cliffe. Even Christ Jesus, the righteous and innocent One, died because as the "Last Adam" we were in him (as we were in Adam when he sinned) and we were guilty, so he, our Federal Representative (i.e., Covenant Head), was guilty because of us. God's holy war against the Dragon/Canaanites is only a problem for Christians who have an unbiblically high view of the moral and spiritual nature of fallen humanity and an unbiblically low view of their guilt. These errors come with a correspondingly unbiblical low view of God's holiness and of his law. There are two standards of righteousness, the evil standard of fallen, evil by nature, mankind, and the standard of God's perfect moral nature. Only one of these standards is the standard by which all flesh is judged. You don't need to apologize for God's holy war against the Canaanites, Cliffe. You don't need to make excuses for God. You don't need to disparage the truthfulness of God's command to Israel to annihilate the Canaanites. You just need to believe what God says about mankind. All you need to do is explain just how guilty everyone is before the thrice-holy God, and explain that Israel, like Adam before them, did not obey God's command to drive the Serpent out of God's garden to the last man, woman, and child. If the Canaanites fled the garden (hence God's continual, "drive them out"), they lived. If they refused and remained, they were to die. Evil may not dwell with God in his temple garden. Israel was an intrusion of the Kingdom of God on Earth, a word picture of what will happen when Christ, God's faithful Son, returns in glory. Want to know what the second coming of Christ looks like? It looks like the conquest of Canaan by Joshua (Gk: Jesus), except that Christ obeys God's command to utterly and completely drive the Serpentine Dragon and his people out of God's temple garden - the entire world.
Now, you're probably wondering about Christian death. If Christians die, that means they're guilty in some sense. But how can they be guilty if Christ died for their sin? They are guilty to the degree they remain in guilty Adam, that is, they are guilty because they are still flesh of Adam's flesh (hence, Paul's use of the term, "the flesh") - according to the flesh. When the Christian's flesh dies, the last of Adam dies, the last of the Canaanites in God's temple garden dies, the Serpent is cast out (this is not an assertion that Christians are or can be possessed by Satan). Thus death for the Christian is deliverance from the rebel Adam, the power of the Dragon, and from the Canaanites. In the Christian's resurrection, no vestige of failed Adam and the Canaanites remains. God's temple garden is recreated physically (as it was first recreated spiritually in the new birth) free of the interloping of the Dragon and his people. Death and resurrection for the Christian is victory over Adam (the flesh), the Dragon, and the Dragon's people the Canaanites (remaining sin). The Promised Land has been totally cleansed (sanctified) and recreated (glorified) completely holy. Our holy war against Adam's flesh in us and remaining Canaanite sin in us is over.
Be killing the sin in you, or the sin in you will be killing you.
I like your explanation and logic, but whereas physical death on earth is inevitable and all must die even infants because all inherited Adam's sin, the second death or damnation in the lake of fire will be on the basis and ONLY on the basis of our works here on earth. In Rev 20 we read, 'And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, by what they had done'. Again we read in Ecc 12: 'The end of the matter: fear God and keep his commandments, for God will bring every deed into judgment with every secret thing done, whether good or evil'.
So whereas babies can die physical death on account of Adam's sin, they cannot die the second death because their aren't bad works of theirs of which to convict and condemn them.
This was really painful to watch. Please don't defend the massacre of innocent children.
Non of us who love the lord ever would.
If you think you or this generation is more moral than god then look around at our culture.
This generation has killed tens of thousands more infants in the womb but we call it...abortion because it sounds less like human sacrifice.
God who formed you and me from the womb needs no justifying because he is god. We do not understand god because we are finite.
Look at the capacity of human evil that we are all guilty of, before blaming god.
We need justifying
@@bizmanpatrick214 "None of us who love the Lord ever would" - then you do it two sentences later. (I agree with you on abortion by the way.)
@@lauterunvollkommenheit4344 What I ment was that we dont look at that and think "oh what a wonderful thing"
But I am also not going to pretend that I am more moral than god...that is a loosing battle. So I have to conclude that God's Judgement is just. Even though I may not understand because I am finite.
We are so easy to point the finger at god, when we should point it at ourselves. God does not make us murder, torture, perverte pleasure, war etc. We do these things because there is sin within us. Yet god did not give up on us and sent his son to pay the price of our iniquity...if we believe.
I hope this helps you, and I pray you find the lord Jesus.
God bless you
@@lauterunvollkommenheit4344 Also I anticipate you will ask me: well doesn't god make Israel wipe out the Amalekits, Cananites etc?
Yes, but only many years after they attacked the Israelites from the Exodus of Egypt. God gave them time to repent but the Amalekites continued to sacrifice their children on a hot Molten Alter. Then god in 1 Samuel says to utterly destroy them because if they did not, then those practices would be going from generation to generation and the Israelites would have adopted It (God strictly forbade the sacrifice of sons and daughters, and did not want those evil cultures to influence them)
@@bizmanpatrick214 Let's put an end to this absurd conversation. Goodbye.
God commanded the killing of women and children in the old testament because he is a monster.
And stop making excuses for a barbaric monster!
You see it that way because you hate God. The same God who formed you from your mothers womb.
Mabey we as humans cannot comprehend because he is the same God who made the whole universe
Jehovah and Yahweh is either satan or the beast. The Father of Jesus is kind, loving, merciful, and slow to anger. Total opposite to what Yahweh/Jehovah did in the Old Testament. Jesus is totally against the god of the Old Testament.
Yahweh and Yehovah were not gods at all. They were humans that came from a planet that was at war. They left that planet and traveled through many solar systems looking for a place of refuge until they came upon earth.. We on earth worshipped them as gods bc 1. they were giants 2. they were more advanced in wisdom and knowledge than us by thousands of years. 3. they would kill us for sport.
The bibles no longer talks ab these giant humans in later chapter of the old testament or the new testament bc when they received word that their planet was no longer at war, they returned to their planet.
People call them Fallen angels thrown out of heaven...that is ridiculous! They voluntarily left their planet bc they did not agree with the situation going down at the time. The one that spearheaded the rebellion rallied for others to leave with him in a spaceship or beam ship. The bible was rewritten to erase this account and rewrote it as satan and his followers being kicked out of heaven. I do not like the name fallen angels but that is what the writer decided to call them...fallen angels.
@@marceld8961Jesus is the Light and the Truth
@@marceld8961Have you ever read Psalms?
Demon is better than the Christian God
indeed
Agree