Origins of Battle Rap: Louis Armstrong vs Dizzy Gilespie

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  • Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
  • Clip of Louis Armstrong doing the first "Summer Jam Screen" at the Hollywood Bowl, taking shots at Dizzy Gillespie and Be Bop.

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  • @clevermedia
    @clevermedia Год назад +12

    The clip of Louis and Dizzy playing Any Umbrellas on RUclips together is the best retort to this

  • @jimdixon3470
    @jimdixon3470 3 года назад +15

    Jazz was always changing in the early decades, and Louis himself transitioned gracefully from the 1920s New Orleans small-group sound (a.k.a. "Dixieland") to the commercial big-band swing that swept the nation in the mid-1930s. Eddie Condon, mentioned by the narrator at the beginning ("they flat their fifths, we drink ours") was part of a Dixieland revival movement, that like Bebop, went against the swing mainstream, though with a different goal in mind. Louis had already abandoned big-band swing (at least for his touring bands) by the time this video was made, though he returned to the format in the studio and on special occasions like this concert. Like Red Holloway says at the end, Louis wasn't truly at war with the boppers, and actually by the time this was recorded, Dizzy himself had turned in a more commercial direction because he was tired of making records that appealed (and sold) only to critics and musicians...Dizzy had a family to support, and wasn't above moving towards the mainstream and being more of a Louis Armstrong-like entertainer. Bop of course thrived commercially well into the 1960s (fracturing into a few sub-genres like hard bop, modal jazz, soul jazz and boogaloo), and even when it stopped selling records, continued to thrive as a live music in local jazz scenes.

  • @kirkwoodward8443
    @kirkwoodward8443 5 месяцев назад +1

    There's a photo in Dizzy's autobiography of him, Louis, and several other people at a party at Dizzy's house, laughing at a joke and having a good time. I read that at a tribute concert (I think) late in Louis's life, Dizzy spoke and said, "I want to thank Mr. Louis Armstrong for my livelihood."

  • @BayeMcNeil
    @BayeMcNeil 12 лет назад +4

    What a great clip!! Thanks for uploading!!

  • @markeddeckmusic7202
    @markeddeckmusic7202 6 лет назад +7

    That’s red Holloway , one of greatest sax players , he’s talking about the hep jazz truth

  • @blindblackpianist
    @blindblackpianist 12 лет назад +1

    Awesome. Thank you for posting!

  • @treywest268
    @treywest268 3 года назад +1

    So beautiful!

  • @horbergus
    @horbergus 11 лет назад +12

    Haha, this really is an old-school battle rap, 2:10 hahaha. Strange though Louis played with dizzy

  • @jxnglxst6874
    @jxnglxst6874 Год назад +3

    Horrible tittle but this video clip is history. I would rather this video be called to be or not to bop. I don’t know what Hip hop has to do with musicians and musicianship other than they steal it and augment it like it’s terminator or Frankenstein.

  • @amaquonsippi
    @amaquonsippi Год назад

    Stuff Smith's singing should also be recognized w/Cab&Satch.

  • @philismenko
    @philismenko 4 года назад +1

    Can I get a transcript of this

  • @elshadbagirow9537
    @elshadbagirow9537 6 лет назад +1

    Which documentary this

  • @roberthoffhines5419
    @roberthoffhines5419 4 года назад +2

    Great to see a young-ish, vital Louis perform in something other than a goofy newsreel-quality performance. Too bad we don't get to hear his horn here. That footage where Louis and Diz trade 4s on the Gleason show seems pretty under-rehearsed and is such a disappointment. To hear two generations playing at, then with each other would've been for the ages

  • @MrsWilliamTheBloody
    @MrsWilliamTheBloody 8 лет назад +1

    Such sass.

  • @terraterra9014
    @terraterra9014 7 лет назад +2

    Who's the dude at the end? What the heck is he talking about?!

  • @hendrickschipper6239
    @hendrickschipper6239 2 года назад

    They constitute all weird personell

  • @jiyujizai
    @jiyujizai 3 года назад

    😁💛💙❤️🌱🌼

  • @maltheri9833
    @maltheri9833 7 лет назад +1

    i don't get it.

    • @AustinCasey
      @AustinCasey 7 лет назад +18

      You wouldn't.

    • @Yankee_Doodle_Dandy
      @Yankee_Doodle_Dandy 4 года назад +6

      Mal Theri, Bebop was replacing big band/swing and Armstrong was upset with their pretentious attitudes and stupid hats. Swing was for the people to dance to and enjoy, and Bebop was for the musicians to enjoy with “NO DANCING!”

    • @davidamaral1519
      @davidamaral1519 3 года назад

      @@AustinCasey

  • @robertmartin5495
    @robertmartin5495 Год назад +2

    I am a huge Louis Armstrong and Dizzy Gillespie fan.
    It is totally ridiculous and even insulting to call the music that Lewis and Dizzy are playing in this video... RAP !!!
    This is not rap music... Not even any similarities at all.
    Once again it's just stupid and insulting to the art form of AMERICAN JAZZ !!!

    • @3MUnique
      @3MUnique 7 месяцев назад +1

      Get over urself. Hip hop is to this generation what bebop was several generations b4 it. Only critics and onlookers wouldn’t understand that. +And if ur having difficulty understanding it’s probably bcuz neither generation was talking 2 u.