AM5 Motherboards are EXPENSIVE! AM5 Explained
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- AM5 Motherboard specs and prices are REALLY high... here's why and where to save!
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Motherboard prices have been idiotic lately. Even for a 2000 dollar build, a 150 dollar motherboard should be a very good fit. But these days 150 is the absolute minimum for a semi-decent board. Which blows.
That's why I am going to stick with my 5800X. The motherboard it's in, sadly, is a Asus Rog Strix B450-f, which only has PCIe 3.0 graphics and NVMe storage..... But, maybe the RDNA 3 GPUs and the PCIe 4.0 NVMe drives wont be any slower, for gaming, than higher specs...... Unless RDNA 3 GPUs run more than 10% slower in a PCIe 3.0 system vs 4.0 or 5.0..... AND unless direct storage technology for gaming runs a lot worse on PCIe 3.0 systems vs 40. or 5.0, ..... at WORST I'll need to upgrade my mobo to an X570..... while I upgrade my GPU and NVMe..... at least I would get to keep my 5800X and 4X8 RAM kit(4600 16-19-19-36)
For a $2,000 build, $250-$350 boards are what you’re looking at.
I payed 330 back in April for a ddr4 MSI Z690 Edge Wifi and it's got 4 or 5 pcie 4.0 m.2 slots and I felt like I got a decent deal. I just had a few requirements I needed and that left me with a mid range board. 1. 2 X 3.0 A and 1 Type C front I/O 2. Optical audio port for my headset and 3. Future memory and RGB capability. Those 3 things really did make the selections limited. Oh and I wanted a power delivery of 15+1+1 or better.
@@Dennzer1 your motherboard is a lot better than mine (asus prime z390m plus) my cpu is i79700kf my motherboard kind of sucks i wish i bought z390 tuf gaming
Yeah I spent $500 on a motherboard in June (it's now up to $600 at the same place I got it). for the features / chipset I wanted there was an Asus Tuf for $250 (cdn) buut i hate that mustard yellow so i paid literally double for an all black one (still asus. yes i could have gone other brands but i like asus hardware...for now).
Crosshair Viii dark hero is what I got. What i wanted was the tuf x570 pro wifi but didnt want the gross yellow haha
It would be nice with more 4x4x4x4 bifurcation pci-e 16x slots, for nvme. Before you had to sacrifice the GPU into a worse slot, if you even had bifurcation on the motherboard.
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Now you don't need a GPU, support for ECC memory with 4xNVME drives and 8 lanes left for disk/network controller slots would make a nice server system so long as you don't need more than a 64GB memory kit. Using 4 slots can reduce memory speed to DDR4 levels.
Having two PCIE Gen 5 slots that both support 4x4 bifurcation would be nice for those of us who want to run a lot of fast nvme storage on a pcie card. Loading game dev assets, working with large files, etc.
Unfortunately, no standard desktop CPU has that many PCI-E Lanes. You have to move into the workstation/server (Threadripper/Xeon/Epyc) class CPUs to get enough PCI-E Lanes to make having two 4x4 slots make sense.
@@shadowtheimpure you must be an intel cpu owner since before ryzen, tee hee. sucks to be limited to 20 cpu lanes.
@@aprilgeneric8027 No, I've got a 3900x. I just had a 'slip of the tongue' when I was trying to put Epyc.
@@shadowtheimpure you can have 40 by combining CPU and chipset lanes, but then you have to shell out for the higher end mobo, which is fair imo
@@shadowtheimpure main stream should have 40 this day and age, doesn't hedt today have like 96?
I will be definitely going AM5, all-AMD high-end PC by the end of this year.
Upgrading from my 5-6 years old i5 6600K + GeForce 1060.
Although I'm not going to buy from day one, I'll be waiting for RDNA 3 to come out, by that time any issues with AM5 would be discovered and probably fixed.
I hope the world doesn't fall into a nuclear war before I manage to upgrade. 😅😅😅
I agree. But be forewarned on Gigabyte products. Manly their GPUs and MoBos. Dear god.
It shouldn't be too bad considering DDR5 has been out a year, the cpu cooler mount isn't changing, win11 has been out a year now, & no consumer products with PCIe 5.0 exist yet. There's not that much that can go wrong. I'm finishing my build on launch day because of necessity.
@@miscellaneousproductions Glad Win 10 still has support until 2025, but even though that's smack dab around the corner, Win11 still has a bit a ways to go before I'm to adapt to it.
Most people will go for AMD, Intel longevity isn't to be trusted or worth it the platform is not good enough for long term.
@@yeejay6396 2025? You must be referring to extended support. Mainstream support ends in March 2024.
I’ll upgrade to AM5 eventually. Definitely not at first, those early issues can be so frustrating.
That early adoption fees and growing pains are going to be crazy
@@jahkareramkissoon419 Exactly. Luckily for some of us we can fork out at the expense, but we money wise, but the smart thing to do is spend it wisely and patienently and not complain Day 1 on something that we could've avoided.
sadly for me i'm tired of waiting, the more i wait the more expensive it gets
@@gglovato But, you can do this, part out and build it later when issue are addressed and looked at. That way you don't need to reset Bios when a Bios update is released for your Mobo.
Just be patient and dude, you can shits not going anywhere. Not even released yet.
ALWAYS wait 3-6 months, that is the average time it takes for them to find and work out bugs. Yeah, I know, Moores Law . . .
I expect that sales numbers for AM5, ryzen 7000, rtx 40 series etc. will be way less than current gen.
The global recession and especially the current price of electricity and gas make dropping that much money on power hungry pc parts not appealing to a lot of people.
I also get the feeling that ryzen 5000 and rtx 3000 were SO good its not worth an upgrade, I mean you own a console for what, 7 years? A 3080 isn't going to underpowered 2 years after launch.
@@svenolafson3032 You can partly thank the Globalists that want to force us to ''go green''.
@RuDuffEnough WellRu AMD taking major losses? What have you been smoking or did you post this comment in 2015?
@@svenolafson3032 fx8350 still going strong
@@majstealth I iwll keep the ryzen 1700 that ihave becuase while i got it in 2017 sicne 2021 that i got RX 6700XT 12 GB RED DEVIL for 950 euros it runs evrything at max settings 1440p 60 fps which means that there is no reason to change cpu ram and motherboard yet.
Good to see the Rebellion case build in the background! I need to go revisit that video, it was a fun build to watch.
Can't believe I'm able to say "Remember the good ol' days (a year ago) when a very good motherboard could be had for just over $100?"
It's honestly sad that motherboards are becoming so expensive yet can't even bother putting any of that money into basic things such as post code displays, power and reset buttons, bios flashback, etc....
Yeah, but that's why I've got mine, and quite frankly given my last board was literally a PIECE OF S%$& Dell OEM board that still made the beeping sounds, it's amazingly refreshing. Basically, Dell is like that PC version of the neglectful parent who makes you overcompensate into eating cake and ice cream all day, and that is why I got my $300 x570 Taichi board.
Because now I get to eat post codes and great features for breakfast and dinner. BIOS flashback, my God even my ARGB got fucked for the longest time until I realized I could do a software flashback and it fixed it. I thought the traces or chip itself was blown. It's why I'll always spread the gospel of needing a good board. A house divided cannot stand against itself, and a board is like a foundation to a house, a system built on a bad board will be washed away like the sands of 11th gen Intel.
True. What also annoys me, when buying a high priced notebook, and the Vendor software on it, is some mixture between useless bloatware and some total pathetic programmed Chinese spy software. And you can't even choose. Every Vendor has his own Crapware on it. Just to adjust the RGB on my keyboard, i need to install a bunch of services, which will choke my new system.
This went all in some wrong direction. The customers became way too soft and benevolent with the products.
@@janvollgod7221 I mean honestly...it's more a problem on 14nm++++++++++++++ lol. Just because I'm rocking this 4th gen CPU and by God, the f'in thing actually throttles and stutters while I'm just trying to download a Steam license and play a video at the same time 1080p. Which is why you need moar cores. I've stated this a million times probably but basically 4 cores is not enough because it can't use all the other shit you got running on, especially not a YT music video in the background, and then have all that RGB software which yes, I've got one for my mouse, one for my CPU cooler, and another one for my total board output. Plus you've got all these things like GOG Galaxy and Epic and whatever other launchers like Steam on that it can be a real problem, but I'm often skeptical people telling me the bloatware somehow is supposed to hog 8 cores.
Just one thing: This set looks dope! Great job!
Going to wait for a few months so the bugs in the BIOS are all ironed out and maybe the X3D versions will be out by that time and would love to see the comparisons in games with that version of the 7000 processor.
Same
I am leaning there as well, to wait for x3D version of 7950x, but minimum price will be $799 according to leaks, maybe more.
No chance in hell are they releasing retooled versions only a few months after launch.
@@michaelgleason4791 If raptor lake is going to beat them like it looks like it probably will and intel is priced better also then yes they will prob ces 2023 unveil the x3d because that would put them over the edge to regain the crown of "fastest" cpu.
Ditto
Hi, an excellent video. I fully agree with you. I was an early adaptor for the AM4 system with two X370 motherboards. Since then I added various AM4 mainboards. But I won't be an early adaptor for AM5. I wait at least 2 years before investing in a AM5 system. I'm very happy with my AM4 machines and in no need of an AM5 system right now. A well configured AM4 machine has more then enough computing power for private usage.
I have an x570 paired with a 5600x, so I'm not moving up. I feel that AMD got away with 5000 series pricing in the eyes of most consumers, because of the abundance of affordable motherboards that were already out. The price didn't seemed too bad even if you were building from scratch. This time things aren't the same at all. I usually skip a new platform on its first generation anway.
Same here. Just upgraded from a 3600X to a 5900X on a very good Asus TUF X570, and I couldn't be happier. No reason at all to upgrade any soon, and I mean several years!
@@goytabr I'm not planning to upgrade more than once in a decade after getting a high end zen3 honestly. 5950x or 5900x, maybe even an X3D three years after I first built it and that should be good at least from 2020-2028 on this system.
My cpu is i7 12700k + z690 and rtx 3060
I have a ten year old AMD system. I don't know which CPU I have. The CPU fan has stopped working. Sometimes the computer freezes and I have to close it down. I will be updating to The new Ryzen 7600X and AM5 motherboard probably with B650 motherboard. I will wait until the bugs are out of the system in at least 3 months time. I will get it sometime in 2023 when prices start to come down. I am an AMD fanboy. The main reason is that I like the idea that the motherboard lasts for years before it gets updated. I also like the idea that it is 5nm technology and so uses less power for its performance compared to Intel.
@@goytabr 8 years
Total Platform Cost & Upgrade paths should be taken into account far more than they regularly are.
True people think you buy only the cpu
But that can be counterbalanced by long term support which AMD has been very good about with AM4
@@Alovon ...because, when AM4 launched, AMD still had everything to prove to consumers. Now, they're on top of the game, so...
@@lamikal2515 They have already committed to 2025+ for am5. I don't think intel ever supported more than two gens on a socket.
@@mrfarts5176 "2025+" can be literally 2 gens though (zen 4 + 3d and zen 5 + 3d).
Was impressed that AMD was keeping the same price during the announcement. Then I realized they are LGA so they are "cheaper" to produce and the pin price goes to the board.
they designed the B650 boards to be cheaper but the motherboard manufacturers always want a premium on new boards. When B550 came out, I found a good X570 board on offer so it was cheaper.
The big ass VRMs and power stages was inevitable with Intel's relative success pushing their CPUs over 200w
What is LGA?
@@RobBCactive intel cpu always power hungry, room heater, just get the same performance as ryzen.
@@fynkozari9271 LGA means the pins are on the motherboard instead of the CPU
@@fynkozari9271 Land Grid Array
I have been putting off my upgrade plans since the pandemic hit, after following the price trends for two years I think I now take more pleasure in planning future upgrades than actually doing it.
I’m waiting to see if the 5000 series prices drop even more so that I can upgrade from 3000 series. I still think the 5600x is still going to be a great option with a x570 board for a while.
I am also in this same boat. Currently on a 3000 series CPU and a 400 series board and my next logical step is up to 5000 & 500 series.
Trust me its worth it, I would honestly skip am5 unless you wanna waste a crap ton of money
I’m using AMD 5900x and RTX 3080ti and I’m loving it with my 32gb RAM
@@Nibbles021 yeah you're set for years
I recently got a 5800x for about $300 Canadian so the price drops are already here.
Won't be crossfire. The 2nd slot can be used for 5.0 nvme expansions.
Yeah I can see Motherboard manufacturers using this for extra storage slots on the board instead of PCIE slots or for those PCIE storage expansion boards at least. Unless they find a way to make their graphics cards stack without needing the devs to specialize parallel graphics is dead. Only other thought is for cheap mining rigs, these probably got designed before the crash?
Im so glad everyone is so happy for AM5 and the 7000 series... cause imma swoop in on some sweet reductions on that 5000 series
They're already out. Seen the 5800X on Amazon for under $250 just a couple of hours ago and the 5600G for around $150. 👍
The 5,000 series CPU’s are already at pretty good price reductions though
@@bretttanton328 they will only get better
I'll definitely be going AM5 for my next full build, but thankfully that won't be until the Spring, so the early BIOS issues & such can get looked at before I buy.
I like having the option of 2 full speed PCI-E 16x slots. I had a riser cable in my case that was too short so I was able to use the other slot. Then that slot died after I had a power supply failure, but the first slot still works. I can't afford a new board at the moment but having that option saved me in my edge case scenario.
Z690 prices were pretty insane too at release, especially DDR5 ones and the overpriced ram sticks. Happy to see them go LGA. Good video as always Jay
Edit: Typos, grammar sry
@@rknudson1407 Threadripper is/was LGA, wasn't it?
@@jackbui2944 probly.. haven't had my coffee yet
I dont like LGA :c motherboards are less bountiful than CPUs. LGA will make the problem worse.
@@jackbui2944 Your probly right on that... I haven't had enough coffee yet. But I do remember a time when you could socket an AMD CPU directly into an Intel motherboard. That there would really mess with Intel if they brought back those CPUs to take more of Intel's loyal followers..
It was pretty insaner
Had upgraded a couple years ago to a Ryzen 3700x and don't see a need for a whole platform change for some time yet. Still excited to see how the new processors and motherboards will perform.
Same here, running 3700X CPU 5700XT GPU with 32GB 3200mhz RAM on a Gigabyte B550 Aorus Pro. Don't see any point in buying the new tech.
I'm on a 3700x, X570 Board with a RX6800 might try and pick up a 5900X on the cheap when folk start upgrading.
@@coard123 trying to get a newer GPU. That was next on the upgrade path when the prices took a massive increase. Limping along with an RX470. Thankfully prices have gotten somewhat better and now saving up the money to get the card I want.
Definitely going to be upgrading but planning on waiting a couple months since I'll probably end up installing proxmox. With the 7950x I think its going to be perfect for having a gaming vm, linux productivity vm and still be able to run a couple servers.
Being recently disabled and out of work for the last year, this will be the 1st thing I won't be able to get the latest tech on launch day. And and looking at all of this and the cost, I'm thinking it's a blessing in disguise.
The extreme boards seem useful for gaming vm's passing through a second gpu while still using the first one in linux, being able to use linux and windows simultaneously.
My z390 Aorus pro died suddenly a few months ago. I Tried to get a replacement motherboard but couldn't find another z390 that was new and as good or better then my Aorus pro. So I had to get a new CPU and motherboard, I found a good deal on a 5950x and x570s Aorus master and bit the bullet for a major upgrade. Given the deal and the internet's theories at the time it felt like AM5 was close. I was thinking about waiting for it. I'm glad I didn't.
On my third z390 aorus. Hmm what a coincidence. I'll never buy a gigabyte again
Loving the new sets. Hopefully we can get a new studio tour when it's all finished.
I appreciate that you're advocating for the B550/B650 path, because a lot of times we only hear about the X-series. I see a lot of people just write that line off entirely when it's a potentially massive cost-saving measure without sacrificing all that much. It really comes down to what you're trying to build. It's definitely a crapshoot in terms of what features are actually on the board, so hopefully that's less of a mess this time around (I imagine not...).
B550 slaughtered X570 in performance tuning
Yeah the cost and quality of motherboards took a while to come around, it wasn't till b550 where the cost/preformance value got to such a good point that going B over X was better for the avg person. Now we need to see the next iteration of mass amounts of Usb type C ports and vertical nvme slots with cooling (similar to how 4 dimms of ram can be packed in a small space)
@@scarletspidernz B550 Unify-X was the only real OC board besides X570 Dark until the end with the S boards. But on average even the simple B550 Aorus boards destroy X570 for RAM and BCLK.
If you are going for X670E then get one with USB4 included. Apart from the DDR5 support this will be the new feature that will keep your build working until 2025 as new USB devices are released. Given the lack of PCIe slots on most boards USB upgradability will be key.
Hoping they will put USB4 on B650E boards
I bought am X570 for my 3600 knowing it would cope with the 5000 series of chips with ease. I'm now on a 5600x with the potential of upgrading to a 5950 or 5800xd should I wish. Buy good and buy once!
Wouldn't bother unless you can find one cheap used when the new chips come out and people foolishly sell all their old stuff.
@@Void-uj7jd Yes, I agree - in a couple of years maybe.
Jay, I suspect the purpose of the second PCIE 5.0 port is actually to put in a NVMex4 card into that slot so that you can have all the NVMe going without taking up so much board space.
My motherboard came with a pcie nvme card holder
This set looks unreal. Love that purple ambiance behind the wooden planks
I've got a 5800X3D and a 6900XT. I won't be upgrading for a few years. The only exception I can think of is if RDNA3 supports AV1 encoding like the Intel GPUs. If that happens I'll consider getting a 7800/7900XT for a streaming fidelity upgrade.
I'm pretty sure both 7000 and 4000 support AV1 mate
With the X670E having two graphics card slots, I can see that being used for a streaming rig (one graphics card for encoding stream ops, one for running whatever game is playing) OR being used for an INTERNAL capture card.
That's exactly what I was going to comment too lol
I will stick to what I have right now. 3900x with 64 gig of ram and 3 video cards running 3 43 inch 4k monitors.
You can put a an 3060 in a PCI-E 4 by 8 slot and you would not notice any difference in encoding performance. The bandwidth to copy a frame across is so small. Uncompressed: 3820*2160*4*60=1980288000 in bytes. That's 1.9GB per second. And that is less than a single PCI-E 4 (not 5) x1 lane. Compressed it goes from the PC to the TV through the HDMI cable, so... PCI-E 5 x16 is not needed.
@@DavidAnderson-fr8ii nobody asked
So will this support SLI/X Fire?
I'm adopting AM5 but as usual I'm waiting to copy one of your builds like I've done in the past. I need a Pc for a Sim rig (7600x) and a separate pc for a music DAW. I'll be waiting to see what you build over the next 6 months.
With all the two graphics cards support I keep seeing I think it's way more important that there's more lanes for more nvme storage. There are some, but I'm sure most people get one graphics card and have multiple storage options in their machines.
the talking head set looks sweet af
Agreed. That wood accent piece looks pretty sweet
The primary focus on mobos for me is stability, so the companies record on BIOS support is really what drives my decision. I've been buying the lower chipset for awhile now and have 0 complaints on feature differences. It really just depends on how important aesthetics are for you or if you REALLY need that many gen5 slots for this gen.
What brands do you think have the best BIOS support?
@@richardjameslucas9501Came here to ask the same thing.
I recently upgraded to 6E wifi and it has changed my opinion on utilizing wifi. I'm still moving forward with re-wiring my entire house from CAT5E to CAT6 but, it is nice for the machines that have moved and don't have a ethernet port yet.
Such a nice overview of motherboards through the lens of the latest product.
Been an intel guy so far, but what I’m seeing has me strongly considering AM5. I will probably wait until tax return season, spring maybe summer 23’. My 10700k and ftw3 3080 is holding up just fine going on 3 years. I’m usually a 3-5 year lifecycle type.
I’m considering opposite lol. Just updated to a 5600x but considering at some point should I swap the cpu for 5800x3d or 5900x, or move to 13th gen Intel at some point.
Currently using a 3600. It is doing fine, just fine. I don't plan to upgrade until the 2nd gen AM5 chips come out. Giving AMD a chance to refine and perfect seems like the way to go. Also, maybe Intel will get it together by that time and have something worth consideration. Willing to think about either, I just want stable performance.
3600 is amazing proc
Thanks for the info Jay. Plan to wait for the dust to settle before I buy.
man the new set looks KILLER! good job from what ive seen Jay!
I will be getting an AM5 mobo and CPU, but I'm waiting until the rough edges get buffed out. I'll be going with a 7700X and probably a 3080 or maybe a 3090 depending on where the prices are before the 40 series launch. I initially wanted a 5800X3D, but I figured screw it the X3D is like $450+ while the 7700X is $399
7700x and 6900xt or 6950xt for me because its better than 3080 and 3090 anyway.
Just paid $350 for a 5900X at Microcenter to upgrade from a 3700X. Definitely is a big difference in performance. I think the 12 cores will age well so I don't see myself upgrading to AM5 anytime soon. I usually wait a year or two before getting a new platform because that is when they not only become pretty stable, but the prices come down as well. As for Intel, I think the 12600K being about $200 right now puts it among one of the best gaming processors for the money. The new 7600X is a little better but I don't think it will be worth the extra $100. It will be interesting to see how the AM5 sales go when it comes out.
My first B350 motherboard from 2018 was an Asrock board and that thing was great. I used it all the way until last year and it cost me less than 70 bucks. I think even 200 dollars for a motherboard is insane, I hate how that has become the norm
Thanks J n Phil for this vid. As Always, u give wise advice for us to consider: price vs performance when we wanna build rigs
i went all out last week and did my first amd pc in 12 years got me a 5700g mid range gigabyte ud mb already had the 32gb ram ready form the old system and a 3070ti ftw3 . felt like a amazing deal to me going form a 1080ti and i7700k to this is day and light diffrence . i only upgrade every 5 to 6 year so i feel like i got best bang for my buck with all the sales on due to the move in am5 to ddr5 and the 4000 vidia cards knocking on the door .
And also you get all the matured support from tweaking the initial issues. My first upgrade was to an i7 4790k when the 6700k launched and DDR4 was introduced into the mainstream CPU's. Not only were the DDR3 sticks and the Z97 boards cheaper, but also Z170 had some issues from firmware, RAM compatibility and the infamous "bendgate" since they used a thinner substrate for the CPU.
That setup lasted me 6 years until in summer 2021 went with a Ryzen 7 3700X and a MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon. I hope I can squeeze another 6 years of that combo :)
I built a gen 3 i5 build which ended up as a 4th gen 4770 build in 2013 and only platform swapped in November 2019 when I shifted to a B450 build when I picked up an R7 1700 for £80. I waited because up until then there was still issues with DDR4 on Ryzen builds(and because I didn't want to spend £300+ on a chip). By the time I sold off parts from the gen4 build the swap was done for the £100 I spent on the PCB so I had money left to update the storage. I swapped out my 120GB M2 SATA boot drive for a 1/2TB Samsung NVMe and the 120GB 2.5 SATA(my first SSD) for a 1TB Crucial CX drive. I recently swapped out the 1700 for a cheap R5 5500 to freshen the machine up as a stop gap to AM5. IMO the biggest draw of Ryzen is the flexibility and value you can find on AM4. I have had the opposite experience from AMD compared to Intel, on Intel I had no upgrade path after a couple of years where I still have a metric tonne on AM4 nearly 3 years in.
Ehhh yes and no, the MSRPs were already so sky high that none of the deals are particularly impressive to me given that they're now 2 years old hardware right before the next launch and still costing more or less their MSRP, which again I thought was freaking nuts on some of those. You remember what Maxwell and Pascal era prices were, compared to MSRP now, and no that's got nothing to do with monetary inflation that's just sheer greed in the same way a landlord actively plans to charge you a couple hundred bucks more on rent every single year. That's all it is, is a greedy landlord shifting the goal posts. The only thing I was really impressed on with GPU sales was the $700 RX 6900XT I found on newegg, and admittedly even that was like, it's basically just a golden sample 6800XT, even though it's still comparably like a 3090 or not. But yeah, pretty funny seeing things change, 7700k and 1080ti was the shit. Still is tbqh, I'd still not have a reason to upgrade on that system without getting a 4k monitor, which is the only reason I'm thinking of an upgrade next gen. Although I guess a 1440p144hz would be pretty nice too.
@@TheMC1X I'm looking at my 3700x/x570/32gb of 3600mhz RAM as basically a ten year platform. Basically, I get swayed to switch from Intel and pretty happy with it, even though I can't do a real overclock, software is super nice compared to what I was used to anyway with Ryzen Master and Adrenalin. Am figuring a later Zen3 upgrade to 5950x to crown this system, an extra 2x16gb of RAM towards the end of its lifetime, and a 7700XT or something like that should last me 10 years before I even need a new one, and even at that I could probably just get an RX 8800XT or RTX 5080 or something like that and still be power gaming after 2027 unless the world ends.
@@pandemicneetbux2110 I upgraded after 6 years because the TIM on my 4790k dried, so it was unbearable the heat. Also needed more CPU horsepower for work, so I figured it would be a good moment to upgrade.
And don't forget about CPU single core perfomance. While on games I thought I was fine with my 4790k, with the 3700X I noticed I gained between 5-15% more frames on 1080p (depending on how CPU bound the game was).
From Zen 2 to Zen 3 you'd gain quite a bit on the SC department, but the money would be better spent on a 5800X3D or a 5900X if you do CPU work. 5950X for anything but work is stupid
Love your idea on the comparison.. Would help me extremely on new build.. Very torn moving to AMD as a MSFS 2020 and Xplane 12 user, hearing that both are optimized for intel and Nvidia. But I have to build for my use case of my PC and that is my 100% use for my PC. Love to get your feedback and see your lower cost build and performance of new chips and motherboards. Thanks
Hell yeah Jay!! I love the new back drop. It looks so good!! You did good man.
Only just adopted AM4 3 years ago, I plan to keep my AM 4 for a long while yet
I think the other thing to consider with the price of these boards, at least on the AMD side, is that they are supposed to last for many generations (again). That seems to me there will be less sales then board partners are used to on the Intel side.
I'm planning on holding on to my AM4 for a good-long while. I think it will keep meeting my needs for now.
Basically AM4 has been there for the whole lifespan of DDR4 (at least on AMD side, who started DDR4 later than Intel), so I expect AM5 to last for the entire lifespan of DDR5 (at least I hope so). So we could very well be able to upgrade our CPU on those boards until maybe 2030.
That's why I think the second PCIe Gen5 slot doesn't have to be for a second GPU but just an expansion PCIe that will be the standard for most PCIe peripherals in a few years. And there are less PCIe slots nowadays so it's not even that much of a luxury. Same for the USB4 or the 10GbE. The X670E Creator is a pretty good deal in that regard. It IS expensive but not that much, about 470$ currently, and it might be worth it in the long run.
I know very well that financially speaking, it may not be that good to spend more once and keep stuff longer, but it's at least more ecological imo.
Thank you for yet another great video on what's coming from AM5. First though, around 6 months ago, RedGamingTech mentioned that TSMC was raising their rates which is part of the price increase for the new processors and GPUs. I really want to build a new rig using AM5 and their new processors as well as GPU and will be waiting for the growing pains to pass. And I do so hope I do not need to go WIN11, that may push me to LINUX. And your information on what each version of the AM5 motherboards will probably have is information I believe that all who see this video will find useful in regards to a future build. Have a great day Jay
what's the hate against Win11?
@@slizzle.280 Windows 11 is nothing more than spyware. In Win10, I have been able to turn off most tracking and using 3rd party software most of the rest. And I don't have to have a MS account. If you want to let MS have access to where you are, what products, etc, you have searched for, shopping habits, what RUclips channels watch and so on, is your choice. I have nothing to hide, but I do want my privacy. 2 months ago, Jay did a video called, "Don't let Microsoft get away with this", say no to spying with Windows. There is a large community putting pressure on Governments to at least limit, and control what, and how any information is used. This includes, MS, Google, Facebook and many more. To each their own.
@@slizzle.280 Misoenism. No better than old folks who disdain smartphones. But I will say with each OS upgrade, Windows becomes increasingly invasive and resource extensive.
@@andso7068 good points. Honestly I do get the issues with how invasive and resource-hungry Windows has become, but OTH it’s always been like that
Certainly should be able to go Linux, maybe secure boot as to be off, not sure I did an 11 bypass for tpm despite having tpm 2. Win 11 drove me (after 8 months) from dual boot to just Linux Manjaro. Some of the new GPU features might not be supported yet on certain games/distros, but gaming works fine. There are even 11 based Linux distros. Helped my friend with 5800X build, he's still on Windows 10, and honestly told him he's better off staying there for gaming based off fps comparisons for games we play. I think the new boards are Win11 compatible though. I get the same 165 hz 1440p in Linux Manjaro XFCE as I did in Win11, watch 4k movies. Would suggest virtual box or installing 11 on spare machine (or arch/debian based linux etc) to try out. What started as a dual boot well I was able to game on Linux also which eliminated me needing 11 on my main rig. Like 10, I had to clean 11 a lot to make sure the telemetry was off and it performed well. Linux does have better and more control over updates and a game mode toggle also like 11. Migrating licenses it didn't cost me anything to early adopt 11 and toy with it for a few months, and it was easier to install certain games. Still have a couple of 11 machines around. I hope to do an AM5 build also, likely going more cores next upgrade.
It would be in my best interest to adopt the "Wait And See" method. Due to my routine of building a system that could stand the test of 4 year time before I dump money into another upgrade project, I think I will wait it out and aim my crosshairs to a high level motherboard like the X Series ones. We shall see.
my plan was always waiting for AM5 and raptor lake to estabilize before upgrading. maybe 3rd quarter of 2023. will see what is the best match for my needs then
Personally I'm planning to stick to AM4 with an upgrade to R5 5600(X depending on price difference value). I've always been behind the curve with new tech so I don't mind. I'm sticking to AM4 because I really can't afford the modern prices for gear, and I REALLY don't want to have to buy a new GPU to minimize bottlenecking since I'm running a GTX 1660. I'm sure there will still be a bottleneck between the 5600X, and my GPU, but still way less expensive than a completely new platform.
I remember when the CPU, and board were almost pennies on the dollar compared to the GPU, and RAM, and always wondered why. Like, why was the mobo, and CPU's combined price still cheaper than the mid-range GPUs? Now I get a much better idea why, but it still always felt weird to me that the literal brain, and cranium of the PC was cheaper than the eyeballs, lol.
GPUs are pretty cheap at the moment if you are not interested in getting the 4000 series. The RTX 3060 12gb can easily be had right now for under 400 dollars which isn't an amazing deal, but it is probably as good as we will get unless serious price overhauls occur next gen.
Its a nice rig for playing Fornite. Good decision
I call it the Pentaverate of Bugs. Intel or AMD, this generation is not something I would get even if price was irrelevant. First gen of any big AMD motherboard platform upgrade is also unlikely to be as compatible. AMD only said 3 years of support too, that's only 1 more than Intel, and AM4 boards didn't manage it well with Zen3.
1)PCIe 5.0
2)DDR5
3)New CPU architecture
4)New chipset
5)Maybe new GPU too
@@_shadow_1 "GPUs are cheap" wtf are you talking about
@@darinsteele7091 Please read my full comment for more context, I said later that they were the best we will probably see until the GPU market sees a big overhaul. We can already guess that the 40 series is only going to be worse pricewise than 30 series and scalping will only make that worse.
I would actually like to see Crossfire / SLI come back. Maybe some people with a lesser card could pick up one more and extend the life of their system.
In one sense it feels like a scam to say "hurr hurr here have feature to make you buy a whole 'nother card" but on the other, I literally was looking at boards like can this run SLI/Crossfire.
But I mean, you actually can still do that anyway, it's just not super effective or stable (they never were super stable and reliable). Like AMD literally didn't even advertise this so I only found out about it through sheer nerdom of tons of tech stuff I watch and read that I found stumbling on accident that you CAN CrossFire your 5600XT or 5700XT. You don't even need the connectors just pop in another one and some games it actually works, which is super super neat.
But then yeah, the issue is with nVidia's constant different proprietary bridges that don't work for each other and are super expensive etc. and that they only even offer it now for their highest range cards, which I thought about getting a 2070 super for that very reason. I looked at the 2070 and thought, nah it hasn't got SLI. SLI mattered to me more than DLSS ever will. So I do think that it's scammy that they are still offering it on their halo products, but refuse to enable it on 60's and 70s anymore just because the kind of people to buy those cards absolutely would save money by buying a used second card. All that stated, Jay is basically right. It's so hit or miss and requires devs coding that it's become pretty much pointless. Main reason why it's pointless though? Look at dem thermals and power efficiencies. Can you even imagine Crossfiring or SLI'ing two 450w cards?? That's insane! I guess a 4060 it's "fine" but even still, that amount of power draw is going to be nuts. My 850w already can't handle two 5700XTs without tripping (I have enough other shit going on inside that 450w+ GPU usage is a no go basically).
im going to adopt am5 pretty quickly, Ive been on a threadripper 2950x since that came out and its really showing its age now with rendering etc
That was my plan after the last build I did was in 2019 with ryzen 3900x and rtx2080 but had the extra money and when the price drop hit I decided to upgrade to the current gen ryzen 5950x, 3090 TI (basically a brand new build, everything including my 1st custom water loop system) and then gave my friend the gpu, cpu to upgrade his system. My adventure with AM5 will be after buying a house. Once the water block for my gpu is available I will pick up an additional card with the blocks and run dual cards which should last me well into the AM5 era.
great video, typically always go with the mid tier option (b series etc) since that typically strikes a good feature set for the price. My only real complaint with B550 is that most motherboards had 5 USB A ports on the back IO, but the gen4 support was nice
Generally, well past the, "I should upgrade" point with my aging Haswell-E setups, but while the itch was there the budget wasn't. I've been watching Ryzen for a while now and definitely have wanted to get in on the fun. Probably going to look at X670, but I may slide towards a B series board depending on connectivity on the specific boards. If I don't see much I like then I may just go Ryzen 5000 as running not current gen hardware is definitely not a concern of mine even if it is a lot of fun.
Right there with you with my Devil's Canyon, but looking forward to the B650 version of the Creator boards.
If you are coming from Haswell, i would recommend AM4 with X570, because it is so cheap & reliable right now.
You dont need X670/B650, DDR5 and PCIe 5.0 NVMe, because it is too expensive and therefore not the sweetspot. The money you will save, can go into more DDR4, more NVMe PCIe 4.0 or RTX 4000 and that will boost your FPS even more.
This is why you choosed Haswell years ago, and kept running it until today, because it was the end of the line super sweetspot.
Interesting information update Jay. Looking to hearing and seeing more from you on this, I have been a Fan of AMD for many many years. NOTE - one thing kept distracting me from your video which was your laptop lid was constantly shaking, is your desk loose or moving? Thought I would give you some feed back. Keep up the good work.
My rig is still mostly new, high end gear, so I intend to wait a few years and see what's new when I feel the need.
That said, I would love to build with the new stuff if someone brings me the parts.
So excited for this launch can't wait till they drop the price again on the 5800x3d so I can finally finish my build! I just got the water cooling system out in and another m.2 ssd put into it yesterday!
The price of the 5800X3D wont be dropping seeing as its cache lets it trade blows with the 7800X so long as you get at least 4000MHz CL18 ram for the 5800X3D
You will be waiting till 7000 series Vcache launch
@@commanderoof4578 lol sure
Its already down, the cpu launch at 450 dollars and its now at 385 dollars at Amazon
@@Agp1597 Yeah I'm hoping for just another 30 from microcenter the have it for 380. I'm currently using a 5600x so paying an extra 50 from what i paid for it doesn't seem bad at all.
I'm running the 5800X3D right now. I suspect I'll wait until Zen 5 to move up to the AM5 platform. DDR5 ought to be much cheaper by then, and most of the bugs should be worked out, as well.
5950x here, same; upgrading every two ro three gens seems best for experiencing a real upgrade.
5800X3D here as well (but in a mini-ITX build). Im undecided. I love that my current custom loop can be used to cool the AM5 platform too, but my main concern is power. I got a corsair 750W SFX and adore it, but would it be enough?
Also, out of curiosity I looked at the currently available DDR5 on newegg and I dont see the point. Sure the frequency is higher, but so is the CAS latency to the point of DDR4 being faster overall (10ns vs 8.88ns). Im not sure what AMD offering Id have to wait for in order to be motivated to replace my cpu, mobo, ram and possibly power supply along with remaking custom silicone cables. Juice might not be worth the squeeze.
Super excited for AM5. Saw this as my time to step up from a 3900x and a Crosshair Hero.
With the overall cost, however, I think I'll hold out and wait for another year.
But why wouldn't you just drop in a 5950x instead? Are all you guys just using this for work and need the absolute fastest multicore processors available, but not so much you'd need an Epyc or something?
@@pandemicneetbux2110 Streaming, video editing, etc all on one PC makes the advantage of 3900/5900 very stand out.
Gaming + video encoding at high bitrates via CPU, leaving your GPU open to handle the game is extremely helpful.
Just built my second PC, first one was in 2011, this one I bought and built in March/April.
Aaaand now its time for the "Next Gen" of everything. I am glad I am OK with a pretty decent mid tier build.
Im on the fence. I've always been Intel guy but im very interested in what AMD is doing and thinking of implementing it in my new build.
I was an Intel guy, but AMD has been crushing it for the last few years and every generation has significantly improved. I jumped on the AMD bandwagon over a year ago, and I can say it's been a great decision. What do you got to lose!
Basically, just don't expect some real overclocking. It's the only real complaint I have, is that AMD has a habit of calling their turbo boost "overclocking" and not being able to actually exceed that. Which, to be fair, if you're on some later gen Intels, good luck with that overclocking headroom anyway, particularly that 250w+ power draw on Intel, but still.
I'm pretty damn happy to be on it now tbqh though, especially because I ended up buying a 5700XT and am probably sticking with their wonderful Adrenalin software and cheaper more efficient RDNA3 so I'm probably going to have a fun time with RDNA3 on x570 Zen2/Zen3 features like Rage mode resizeable BAR etc. So as much as I want to bitch about AMD's complete lack of real overclocking, as much as I was stubbornly in the mindset of "no, Intel is just better" for years, yeah..I'm pretty glad I switched. I'm only butthurt at AMD for jacking prices on everything and taking away coolers, because I love my Wraith Prism stock cooler so much, it's like a real aftermarket cooler in appearance and performance that saved me enough money it was like going a full CPU tier higher for the same price.
I think 13th gen vs Zen4 should be an interesting lineup. I'm still skeptical based on losing price advantages, but yeah, AMD's the, I was gonna say "hot shit" or "the shit" but that's Intel lol you're only running into heat problems with 12+ cores. Jay's right, path of greatness may be a bit much, but he's totally right. I still nitpick about things like 5800X3D being a "one trick pony" as I impugned it with heat issues, worse clocks, only works great on some games more than others etc., but AMD is just objectively and factually better in a lot of ways now. I'd just be hesitant to build an EOL platform like Zen3, unless you're trying to get a simple 5600x midrange GPU type fast gaming system, but that's just me (I built on Zen2 partly because I wanted a board with a future, and I'm more than pleased with seeing Zen3 and knowing I can upgrade next year to 5900x/5800X3D/5950x and have a ten year build).
@@pandemicneetbux2110 Well, the turbo on intel core only affects 1 core, if more cores are getting frequency spikes, you get less frequency pumped into them. It's also not static, constant, meaning the turbo only goes for low ammounts of time.
Amd on the other hand has a sort of automatic overclocking, the processor pushes itself as high as it can go as long as the requirements are met (temperature, power draw).
Many people found out to be getting better results from the automatic overclocking rather than setting the cpu manually, so don't be mad at AMD, you get real overclocking but you get the opportunity to have it work autonomously rather than playing with it yourself.
@@lupuradu My experience has been that automatic overclocking gets me worse performance on Ryzen Master, and that I likewise get better performance on just using a manual undervolt. I swear leaving PBO on degraded my silicon after doing it for like a couple months, but unsure. Feel like it used to clock better and more stably. Anyway, my experience is basically just that undervolting gets better gaming performance because it sustained boosts better from having 10C lower temps than the like 54C "idle" and 60s C gaming on default. So idk, I just don't even think it's worth it without serious GN Steve acumen, as opposed to just setting the clock multiplier and voltage etc. on Intel. Not that it matters if Intel performs worse overclocked than Ryzen at stock mind you, but still. It's a rather petty detail ultimately because Zen3 does just perform better, only I insist it is missing an overclocking headroom and that while true from a literal technical standpoint, calling its sustained boosts "overclocked" is just false compared to the way Intel does overclocking.
So as a gamer, would I recommend it? Well yeah, provided X Y Z for your build, but I wouldn't call gaming-only Zen the only choice, or wouldn't be willing to switch back to them for gaming. For AMD its real advantages lay in all that productivity work, and cost. Also efficiency, thermals. Really I'd call it more parity with Intel on gaming and me just complaining pettily about not making my 3.6-4.4ghz go to 4.7ghz when my decade old 3.5-3.9ghz Intel quadcore can go up to 4.7ghz.
@@pandemicneetbux2110 yup, only the people who used Adrenaline know how far Radeon software has come. I have a 5800H + 3050 work laptop, and I don't even want to sing up to use GeForce experience when I can get everything I need without that extra hassle and data collection.
AM5 continues to impress me (on paper). That said, I'm still going to stick with my second AM4 system that I completed a few months ago.
*Ryzen 7 5800X3D
*Noctua NH-L9x65 SE-AM4 Edition
*MSI B550-A Pro Motherboard
*64GB Crucial Ballistix 3200 Mhz RAM
*Radeon RX 6600XT from MSI
*Two WD Black NVME SSDs
*Corsair RM850 PSU
*Corsair 4000D Airflow case
I just completed this system back in June, and it would be too expensive to replace the motherboard, RAM, CPU, (and probably PSU given the power requirements of the new CPUs, especially if I want to upgrade to a new GPU at some point). I'll wait and see what AMD intends to do with the 3D VCache processors for the 7000 series. It's too bad that was basically a footnote in the presentation earlier this week, but I can't wait to see how the 7000 series will eventually take advantage of it.
I feel a reminder is needed: You put out a video a year or two ago when Ryzen 5000 series CPUs came out: just because something is last generation, doesn't mean it is suddenly obsolete or of less value to the person using it. The 5800X3D I use in my main system is a great CPU. Heck, the Ryzen 7 3700X that I still use in my first PC build (because I couldn't replace it with something better) still suits my needs pretty well on that system as well.
Also, god forbid we end up in a situation like where we were for the past few years where availability was an issue, and the scalpers control the pricing rather than the developers and retailers...
It's just not worth upgrading to AM5 at this time. Let's just wait and see how the launch goes first.
dear god what do you need 64GB of RAM for? are you running a server or something? xD
@@MoonMarshmallow Doesn't have to be a server; having more ram means you can care less or not at all about what you're running, with Windows not having to compress whats in ram this results in a smoother experience that doesn't translate well in video.
@@MoonMarshmallow I use the system for both workflow and occasional gaming. The system can also serve as a backup for my media server. According to my system monitor it rarely uses more than 22-24 GB of RAM, but it's nice to know that I have a larger pool of memory if needed. I would never go with less than 32 for what I use my system for. Your use case on your system may vary...
I'm quite happy with my current AMD 5700X/6600 setup. I am seriously looking at a 7950 setup to replace my dual Xeon server in my homelab next year; the power savings alone will pay for the new MB/CPU/RAM.
I am currently running an aging i5-6600K with GTX1080 nonTi. It still does what it is supposed to, and since I am running a 1080p screen, it is still just about enough.
Unfortunatelly, blue screens started to occur a few months ago, at times my computer starts without seeing the system ssd and at times, I observe graphical artifacts, so I will likely have to upgrade in the next few months. I am just waiting and see how everything will turn out, and weighing my options. If I could get myself a set up, even if it somewhat more expensive, that would last another 5-6 years, I'd be really happy. Hopefully this time, I won't bottleneck my computer with something like I did with the CPU before. x)
Do you have problems with USB peripherals cutting out too? Things like the SATA drives going out can be caused by a malfunctioning chipset.
I was having problems with a Gigabyte Aorus GTX 1080 but after I replaced the Thermal Compound and the cheap Thermal pads, I've had no problems with that said GTX 1080. I've had trouble with these factory overclocked Pascal cards in the past, but if I use Afterburner to set the boosts clock to limit themselves to 1825mhz to 1900mhz, I generally have no issues. I also had a used Strix GTX 1070 that would boost too high and crash.
Good point with the probable Windows 11 requirement. AM5 looks awesome, but my AM4 system will meet my needs until Win 10 stops receiving updates in 2025, which should be when AM5 bugs and prices will be at their sweet spot. If they have ray tracing worked out by then, I'll build a full AMD system in 2025.
Good point? New Ryzen doesn't require W11, that's a Big/Little Intel problem.... and a HUGE No Thank You to Windows 11. This is a standard CPU with Cores and SMT
@@Cinnabuns2009 Reason for W11 requirement might be due to Pluton on AM5. Also, I don't know why you don't like W11. I have been using it and not a single problem I faced.
I am looking to adopt AM5. Currently, I am running X370 and an 1800X with 2 1080Ti video cards. I will wait until there are more options, and cheaper parts, and also to see if AMD or Nvidia will have the better video cards with the new architectures. The other challenge is that I have everything water cooled, so I will also have to take the costs for that into account, unless I want to switch back to air cooled until blocks are released for the various parts. All in all, I see that this will be a pricey endeavor.
I have the same issue. Got a water cooled set up with a X370 1800x and 1080ti. Going to end up building from scratch when I upgrade.
I know there are some CPU blocks that are already labeled as AM5 or whatever the letters are
Love the background lighting
Could the 2 GPU support be aimed more towards workstation since they seem to be moving away from consumer Threadripper.
If you are worried about budget then don't get AM5 because being "DDR5 only" means it's going to be more expensive than any AM4 option for not much more performance.
I built my AM4 pc in august 2017 aorus x370 released february 2017, now 5 years later never had a problem. Maybe you gotta wait a few months before buying?
Not much perf ? This is the biggest generational jump for CPU and GPU ever, that will require the ddr5 advantage over ddr4 to work. Its more expensive but its a nuts gen
Not much more performance? Lol 😆
@@SoVeXeN People don't seem to understand so I will make it clear. Dollar for dollar you will get the same or close to it performance from AM4 as you do from AM5 right now.
That's why I started with "If you are worried about budget".
@@Boots3962 Was talking dollar to dollar performance. Also, Ryzen 7000 doesn't need ddr5 to work, they are ddr5 only to force adoption (and probably because AMD has some new cheaper AM4 CPUs in the works since ddr4 will be around for a good while yet). Matter of fact current ddr5 is slower than mainstream ddr4. Common ddr4 is 3200-3600 so you would need to get ddr5 that's roughly 6400-7200 to match since the latency doubles.
Definitely upgrading, but maybe next year. If the B650 will be less expensive I'll probably go with that one. Plenty of changes are happening now. There are PCIe 5.0 capable processors and GPUs more power hungry than ever, DDR5 and there is an ATX 3.0 spec for PSUs waiting to be adopted by PSU manufacturers and that's probably going to also lead to more changes in motherboard designs. With all the major changes happening now I'm thinking about waiting for the release of an ATX 3.0 PSU before buying anything new and make a new buld starting from there.
The last time I did a day one upgrade was on Socket 754 with an Athlon 64 3000, I swore never again...that might have something to do with the POS Chaintech board I got. These days its probably down to cost. I will eventually go to AM5 but first I need to sell my spleen to fund it.
Last gen AMD X series motherboards were always more expensive than Intel Z series.
Board for board
it's because of the production volume.
I like the advances AMD has made. It helps all of us in the long run. I'm with Intel now and waiting on the 13th gen to come out before purchasing. I want to compare the 12th gen to 13th gen performance to price. I've had AMD for years and unfortunately have a kind of bad taste in my mouth for them since the memory controller went out on my Threadripper a few weeks ago. The processor should have lasted much longer than 3 yrs. Currently on my first gen I7 that still works since 2009 doing light work till i figure out which gen to buy.
Still got my x58 i7-990X
My mainboard just died last week for my 1800x on a cheap af b350 board. I got a 1700x in a much better b450 board running 24/7 for the last two years no issues.
My mainboard died at the worst time. I wanted 7000 series. Had to get a 5900x on a sale. Such a terrible life XD
@@mitlanderson that's really cool. Mine has been chugging along for many years with no problems. I upgraded the 965 extreme to a Xeon x5675. Runs 4.2mhz easy all day and for almost 10 years
@@coreycarpenter2489 yeah, mine was the 1950x Threadripper. The board and the chip went out. I was so pissed and did not even over clock it. Used for video editing and some light gaming.
@@leewarner9357 I think 1st gen ryzen boards lacked quality. Board partners probably didn't want to put in the effort. It wasn't until 2nd gen (b450/x470) I think that they really started to get decent designs. My new x570 board rocks. Sucks though. Hopefully new boards will last the test of time.
Just upgraded to Ryzen 7 2600X and Gigabyte B450 Aorus Wi-Fi Pro. Hoping to get a 30 series GPU soon. Not planning on jumping into the AM5 pool for quite a long time. If anything, I will look into getting a Ryzen 9 on the AM4 socket. Fits my needs perfectly.
I'm definitely going to be adopting AM5 but not until probably a year or so after launch. I want a Ryzen 7900X and whatever the next gen RDNA3 version of the 6900 XT is (probably the 7900 XT?). I probably won't need to the fanciest motherboard since I'm not going to overclock but all I want is a really nice (preferably white) micro-ATX motherboard for AM5! I really hope I see one on the market soon.
I was told I overspent on my C6H on the Day of Ryzen's launch back with the 1800x. While I now know the 1700x would have been better than the 1800x, I just replaced my 1800x with a 5900x with no other upgrades (bios update needed) and everything just works....
So, maybe it's not a bad idea to "overspend" on a BM that can work through generations.
Absolutely agree, I bought Asus Crosshair VI Hero and it works very well with Ryzen 5000 series like a charm. So if a motherboard can last so long, it is worth considering expensive MBs. Specially if it is AMD. I do not trust Intel in this regards.
Who ever said that may be dumb, the CH6 and the Taichi were the best 2 damn boards with the least amount of issues and problems on launch, and because they were widely bought the support for those boards extended and a community that knew their shit helped AMD fix alot of the issues through working with each other on REDDIT.
In fact those 2 boards were probably the best investment for that gen, I know alot of peopel that haven't upgradedd yet from those boards and 1700X procs till the new platform. Theya re planning on upgrading this gen in the same way, Asus Crosshair or Asrock Taichi boards because of how good it was.
@@amitjangra6454 Hey I got the same mobo but the wifi version
@@imo098765 i got without wifi, bought some used wifi card from china and it is working fine till date.
@@amitjangra6454 Yeah this. I was fortunate enough to get the last gen boards on AM4 but I guess it wasn't even needed and you could still do it with way earlier boards. There's two things I never want to dick around with, power supply and motherboard. Replacing either of those is such an insane hassle I just don't wanna do it. That, and having to spend the money, because I only believe in building on a rock solid platform and that generally means $170 minimum on your motherboard, which I'd rather not replace too.
Plus I just like my board. I really, really like my Taichi stuff. I'd maybe like the colour of b550 Taichi more, and I definitely like the z690 board a lot more but that's a whopping $600 I'm not going to spend for a spinning gear and only 6 SATA ports. Oh it's "down to" $440 now nvm, but still lol. I guess to be fair to the platform, I do like the second USB 3 header, but it's just not worth losing 2 SATA ports.
waiting for benchmarks, I want to see how it compares with 5800x3d for example. I'm probably on my last Intel processor (10700k) unless they shock the crap out of me with the 13th gen. But it's a dead end platform with no upgrade path so that kind of kills it for me.
Wait for 7800X3D in Q1
That new set looks amazing, the Star Wars build in the background is still a thing of art :) I'm currently using a 5600x with B550 ITX board (no plans for upgrade to the new platformthis year or next year), waiting for new gen graphics card. I've been happy with the Radeon RX570, but recently I upgraded to a 1440p monitor and it doesn't have the power to drive it. Hopefully something interesting in RX 7600XT or 7700XT will come up, that will not require a lot of power to drive and fit nice and cool into the Phanteks Evolv Shift XT.
Definitely gunna adopt AM5, but it won't be immediately out the gate. Super keen for an RDNA3 reveal as well. Might end up going all Team Red for my next build!
I might end up buying a good B550 and a 5800X3D when i can afford it.... and pair it with a nice 4000 series card
Dont get B550 with a 5800X3D that is just shooting yourself in the foot
Also X570 motherboards are getting cheaper, the mobo i have is 60% of the price i paid for mine at launch
I iwll keep the ryzen 1700 that ihave becuase while i got it in 2017 sicne 2021 that i got RX 6700XT 12 GB RED DEVIL for 950 euros it runs evrything at max settings 1440p 60 fps which means that there is no reason to change cpu ram and motherboard yet.
@@commanderoof4578 I iwll keep the ryzen 1700 that ihave becuase while i got it in 2017 sicne 2021 that i got RX 6700XT 12 GB RED DEVIL for 950 euros it runs evrything at max settings 1440p 60 fps which means that there is no reason to change cpu ram and motherboard yet.
@@commanderoof4578 my friend has a MSI B550 Tomahawk and said the 5800X3D runs flawless. what is special about x570?
@@Ladioz well you dont get PCIe 4.0 to the chipset so if you have SATA drives a couple USB drives and an NVMe installed on the chipset your gonna be shit out of luck of you multitask
I had a R5 2600 and god damn was it annoying 3gbps if i was lucky out of my USB ports of i was copying from my chipset NVMe to USB
Raid 0 maxed out at 2.3GB/s which was slower than my max of 2.5GB/s raw while my CPU NVMe got 3.4GB/s (switching the drives saw the m.2 slots as the factor in speed) and so on
Just get x570 so you dont have any issues in the future because you dont want to be limited to a single fast NVMe drive ans you dont want your NVMe drive to affect USB performance nor the other way round
I'm definitely going to wait until next spring at least to see how the new AMD stuff turns out, the power creep on Intel and Nvidia are just getting ridiculous. I've been an Intel/Nvidia fanboy and the new AMD stuff has really caught my eye.
AMD soy----boy
yeah, amd is doing some fine stuff across the board since they got some money to work with. i also wouldn't put it past amd to bring back crossfire as the mcm gpu's are already bringing up the crossfire in the software, won't be that hard to do it with 2 gpu's from that point.
I get being a fan of certain cars or maybe a phone but being a fanboy of a GPU / CPU is just something i never got.
@@jandegrote1 I always support being a fan of VALUE :) I really don't care much if it is branded Intel or AMD
@@jandegrote1 Its really not anything different then cars, phones, video game devs, etc...
The reason for the dual PCIe 5.0 GPU support likely has to do with enabling Infinity fabric support over PCIe. Bandwidth won't change but it will enable memory sharing and coherency between the CPU and two GPUs. This won't fix the various timing issues with CrossFire/SLI for gaming across two cards but it would permit compute workloads to be split as if it is one bigger GPU with one larger memory pool. Tasks like rendering, video editing and mining would benefit.
Definitely going to wait on AM5. I need a new build now though, so I will be getting 5800x build put together, so I may only have the CPU, mobo and RAM as the cost next year for the X3d models
Not excited for am5
Excited for am4 becoming cheap
Man, after looking at the 7000 series, makes me wanna upgrade my 5900x but the board cost and DDR5 cost, I guess I wait for maybe at least 1-2 generations later. And probably see who is on top before I get. Hopefully by then Intel makes decent midrange GPUs with great encoding hardware.
Same here. I have a 5950x and I would update to 7950x if was am4. I can't justify the upgrade to am5 now, but keeping an eye on zen 5....more cores and ipc and by then we will have plenty of reviews and options for am5 motherboards and ddr5, probably zero bios issues, and all cheaper (except the cpu itself of course)
MGpu 6700xt X2 AMD reference was first slot and XFX was second slot and they bounced around and the sounded so cool working together ... remember if the people want it IT WILL HAPPEN. Multi Graphics Processing is NICE once you level all the parts and power and paste and pad.
That killer build you're talking about is exactly what I plan to build, tho because it's my first build I gotta buy peripherals as well, I'm aiming at 500€ for monitor and m/k.
I am just sticking with my core 2 duo for now
ill give you my i5 9400F for free if you want. its a piece of shit though
I have Core 2 Quad . Can't Afford any new Hardware Till I find A Job 😔
I do corel draw every day average in 4 hours and i just have to replace motherboard once in two years but the processor still working for 6 year probably and im still using it. I don't know if doing upgrade will save my money for a long run but i am pretty satisfied with it because if anything broken the replacement is just cheap
I finally threw out my x58 920 system. Not a gamer, so I should have kept it.
Wouldn't surprise me if AMD have implicit crossfire support with their next gen cards given that they are moving away from the monolithic core design that has been the standard for decades in graphics in favour of a chiplet design. Depending on the hardware and drivers they may even be able to do this in a way that is entirely invisible to the O/S.
I think this is more for the workstation folks that want the bandwidth for a maxed out PCIE 5.0 m.2 card paired with a 79xx CPU for a Threadripper Jr. since Trhreadripper is Pro only going forward. There's also, I think, a few productivity apps that benefit from dual GPU's still but that's out of my wheelhouse.
I can't wait a few months Jay. I've been waiting to upgrade my PC for 10 years now..
Thanks Jay for the info. I'm going to wait and keep using what I have now for now. I'm going to wait until all the bugs are worked out but for now I'll keep my AMD4 9 3900X
the x670e and then the extra extreme are different. its regarding the chipset x670(e) and then the actual motherboard tier is that extra extreme. X670 and x670e have optional and mandatory hardware respectivley set by AMD. The board manufacturers then teir their own motherboard elite, master, extrme etx. So the chipset hardware using AMD set rules is the letter e denoting what is optional or mandatory telling both the consumer and manufacturer that the board has to have these hardware rules by default (with e) or not (non e). The same applies for the B650 and B650E