I don't like how Blazer's are being portrayed as not acting in good faith, when Lillard made this public so that they can't get the best deal from the Heat
@@dobz746 well at the end of the day, this trade far surpasses anything the heat could have offered and they shouldn't have lowballed the Blazers and try to force their hand thinking they would eventually take a Heat deal
@And.One.Hoops1 you're missing the entire point.. you said in the vid that Portland didnt operate in good faith. In good faith to who? Dame? While the Heat were offering BS trade packages? Cmon now, Dame tried to railroad and press the very team who actually let him break his contract just to try and force the deal to ONLY ONE team. A team WHO DIDNT HAVE PORTLANDS BEST INTERESTS IN MIND. Cmon man , this is the same BS Harden KD,Kyrie and other try to pull which essentially ruins teams that let them do it.
The Blazers wasted the first ten years of Dame’s career. You don’t find it a little ironic, that they could pull off one of the biggest net hauls in history within 48 hours, but couldn’t put a team around Dame for 10 years?
“Most assumed Lillard would go to the Heat.” I never believed thought this personally. Once some of the offers for Dame leaked and Dame’s agent tried to push the Blazers to make the trade to Miami happen I knew the Heat the would be the last possible option for a Dame trade. Miami’s problem is that they weren’t active enough in creating a multi team trade that could make the Lillard trade work and overrated their assets. The Bucks helped put together a much better package that allowed for the Blazers to get off Nurkic’s contract, multiple picks that I personally think will really valuable in the future, and two players that they can either keep as part or their rebuild or move them for other assets down the line. This is a massive fumble by Miami and Heat fans no it and now we’re getting close to training camp and the regular season coming back and they don’t have a lot options in terms of improving their roster which in this offseason got worse. For a team that made the Finals the Heat have way more questions than they do answers at least from my perspective.
Miami didn't offer enough and every Heat fan knows this, because Danny Ainge wanted EXTRA from n.y. in the Donavan Mitchell trade so basically Riley fumbled The Bag lol.
I agree, they seem to think that Scottie Barnes, OG and Pascal are all superstars, they are not. Coaching definitely made them look better than they are.
I think this is a huge move for the Bucks, I think this will be a great move for them, this will gear their team toward being one of the best offenses in the league, and in the modern NBA elite offensive teams tend to beat elite defensive teams because of the current ruleset. And Dame has historically lead some of the best offenses in the NBA despite basically playing by himself for a lot of his career. He is a 7x all nba player and the fact that the Bucks only needed to give up a bench roleplayer, two picks and a two time all star to get him is amazing. As for the Heat, I don't think this is that big a deal, they still have time to make some moves and the Heat have a weird way of making even the most unlikely players shine in the right lineup. Losing two roleplayers isn't the end of the world for them, they always have a way of finding more of those. But true superstars in the NBA are in short supply, and I think Jimmy needs one of them if he wants to get over that hump. He's probably furious. But the Heat as an organization will live.
Except for the Herro stuff, a questionable take. Miami never had the leverage. Riley’s hubris cost them Dame. Blazers got a better package from Bucks/Suns. It’s that simple.
@@MyChannel-w7u Because Dame was under contract to the Blazers. He didn’t have a no-trade clause. His personal desire didn’t matter very much. The Blazers had all the leverage.
Damian Lillard announcing where he wanted to go probably soured Portland on sending him to the Heat. By publicly announcing where he wanted to go he basically reduced what they could get from the Heat otherwhise in the eyes of Portland so if they are gonna get less for him might aswell be to somewhere else. Butler was saying the trade should be investigated for collusion but i think its explained thru human pettiness.
Miami not moving heaven and hell to get Lills, despite what Riley is saying publicly now, is the NBA Headscratcher of the Year for me. I wonder what actually went down, whether Miami players pitched in their voices and some black-balled Dame, or Portland was pulling bad strings, etc. They know something Joe Public doesn't and they'll keep that to themselves, by the looks of it. For now, at least.
they had no assets,they just could rely on Lillard blackmailing Blazers. Portland's front office stood strong and found better option.Kudos to them for that.
Heat need to get some dept like John wall, Demarcus cousin, but we gotta get a Center so it can take the load off Bam so he can do extra stuff with his talent like Greek that why they have Lopez and porter
@@MyChannel-w7uThey want fair value for Dame. They dont want Herro as they already have guards they want to develop and Miami picks tend to have limited value given how easier Miami get free agents as a prime destination compared to the Bucks. Miami historically dont bottom out so Miami picks dont get to the top compared to the possibility of Milwaukee losing Giannis by 2029 or 2030.
Who says they won't win. They literally have come as close or better than the best in the East with 70% underfteds...as long as Spo is there and they keep getting underestimated they have a chance.
I still don’t understand how you are betting on everything to get this deal done, meaning you have absolutely no leverage, that you will still try to bargain and everything. The moment they drafted Jaquez I knew it’s gonna be hard to get this trade happen
This is nothing new for Riley. He hasn't done shit for years! It's definitely time for him to retire. Also Dame and his agent said he was fine with Milwaukee or Brooklyn
They lost Vincent and Strus, Lowry has been on and off but mostly off, probably last season for Caleb Martin before he goes somewhere else, herro definitely feeling disrespected after that clown show of trading for lillard.. it's gonna be an amazing season for the heat this year..
Bruh, you talking sideways here. Its the Heat that didn't operate in good in this. They were at fault for not giving up good trade packages to Portland because their smug asses felt that they had leverage. You can't blame Portland for exercising their options when Dame gave them ONLY ONE DAMN TEAM TO DEAL WITH. Cmon bro, you can just say bullsh** like that unless you're a Heat homer and you're butthurt.
It wasn't just the Heat, I know Dame was willing to go to training camp and even play the regular seaosn if he was still to remain a TrailBlazer. That's how much he loves the people and the city of Portland. Can we stop comparing him to the likes of other entitled NBA players, specifically James Harden who decided to hold off on the Sixers by not reporting to them unless he was traded elsewhere.
I think it was either : Portland was trying to finesse the Heat out of excessive amount of assets and Riles wasn't haven't it!!!! Or: Portland was never really serious about trading Dame to the heat from the jump!!
Miami fumbled the bag. No question. What is in question is what is Tyler Herro if hes too good off the bench and not good enough to start. At $30+ million. Like Westbrook on 5he lakers. Over-qualified or Over-paid.
The dude is incredibly happy. He wants rings and now he’s probably gonna get at least one. He has a better chance at that with the Bucks than he ever would’ve had with the Heat
I don't like how Blazer's are being portrayed as not acting in good faith, when Lillard made this public so that they can't get the best deal from the Heat
Lillard is fault for sure as well, I agree. Like you signed a contract, you have to play to wherever you get traded
Cronin was the one not acting in good faith goofball. Get your facts straight coz the only petty and emotional here was Cronin all the time duh
@@dobz746 well at the end of the day, this trade far surpasses anything the heat could have offered and they shouldn't have lowballed the Blazers and try to force their hand thinking they would eventually take a Heat deal
@And.One.Hoops1 you're missing the entire point.. you said in the vid that Portland didnt operate in good faith. In good faith to who? Dame? While the Heat were offering BS trade packages? Cmon now, Dame tried to railroad and press the very team who actually let him break his contract just to try and force the deal to ONLY ONE team. A team WHO DIDNT HAVE PORTLANDS BEST INTERESTS IN MIND. Cmon man , this is the same BS Harden KD,Kyrie and other try to pull which essentially ruins teams that let them do it.
The Blazers wasted the first ten years of Dame’s career. You don’t find it a little ironic, that they could pull off one of the biggest net hauls in history within 48 hours, but couldn’t put a team around Dame for 10 years?
“Most assumed Lillard would go to the Heat.” I never believed thought this personally. Once some of the offers for Dame leaked and Dame’s agent tried to push the Blazers to make the trade to Miami happen I knew the Heat the would be the last possible option for a Dame trade. Miami’s problem is that they weren’t active enough in creating a multi team trade that could make the Lillard trade work and overrated their assets. The Bucks helped put together a much better package that allowed for the Blazers to get off Nurkic’s contract, multiple picks that I personally think will really valuable in the future, and two players that they can either keep as part or their rebuild or move them for other assets down the line. This is a massive fumble by Miami and Heat fans no it and now we’re getting close to training camp and the regular season coming back and they don’t have a lot options in terms of improving their roster which in this offseason got worse. For a team that made the Finals the Heat have way more questions than they do answers at least from my perspective.
Miami didn't offer enough and every Heat fan knows this, because Danny Ainge wanted EXTRA from n.y. in the Donavan Mitchell trade so basically Riley fumbled The Bag lol.
Another team that misses out on stars is Toronto. Man they really overvalue their players
Honestly as a Toronto fan I’m relieved Dame went elsewhere. Admittedly, I want this team to rebuild, and I’m infuriated they’re not doing that either.
I agree, they seem to think that Scottie Barnes, OG and Pascal are all superstars, they are not. Coaching definitely made them look better than they are.
Dame in Toronto is just Portland 2.0, they won't go far with an aging star.
I think this is a huge move for the Bucks, I think this will be a great move for them, this will gear their team toward being one of the best offenses in the league, and in the modern NBA elite offensive teams tend to beat elite defensive teams because of the current ruleset. And Dame has historically lead some of the best offenses in the NBA despite basically playing by himself for a lot of his career. He is a 7x all nba player and the fact that the Bucks only needed to give up a bench roleplayer, two picks and a two time all star to get him is amazing.
As for the Heat, I don't think this is that big a deal, they still have time to make some moves and the Heat have a weird way of making even the most unlikely players shine in the right lineup. Losing two roleplayers isn't the end of the world for them, they always have a way of finding more of those. But true superstars in the NBA are in short supply, and I think Jimmy needs one of them if he wants to get over that hump. He's probably furious. But the Heat as an organization will live.
Except for the Herro stuff, a questionable take. Miami never had the leverage. Riley’s hubris cost them Dame. Blazers got a better package from Bucks/Suns. It’s that simple.
How could Miami never have leverage when Dame said he only wanted to play there?
@@MyChannel-w7u Because Dame was under contract to the Blazers. He didn’t have a no-trade clause. His personal desire didn’t matter very much. The Blazers had all the leverage.
@@MyChannel-w7uBecause other teams were still willing to trade for Dame.
All the talk was about how Lillard was going to the heat and how he would only play for the heat. They have to be fuming right now.
Damian Lillard announcing where he wanted to go probably soured Portland on sending him to the Heat. By publicly announcing where he wanted to go he basically reduced what they could get from the Heat otherwhise in the eyes of Portland so if they are gonna get less for him might aswell be to somewhere else. Butler was saying the trade should be investigated for collusion but i think its explained thru human pettiness.
It’s possible
Miami not moving heaven and hell to get Lills, despite what Riley is saying publicly now, is the NBA Headscratcher of the Year for me. I wonder what actually went down, whether Miami players pitched in their voices and some black-balled Dame, or Portland was pulling bad strings, etc. They know something Joe Public doesn't and they'll keep that to themselves, by the looks of it. For now, at least.
they had no assets,they just could rely on Lillard blackmailing Blazers. Portland's front office stood strong and found better option.Kudos to them for that.
Heat need to get some dept like John wall, Demarcus cousin, but we gotta get a Center so it can take the load off Bam so he can do extra stuff with his talent like Greek that why they have Lopez and porter
The "good faith" take is terrible
How?
@@MyChannel-w7uThey want fair value for Dame. They dont want Herro as they already have guards they want to develop and Miami picks tend to have limited value given how easier Miami get free agents as a prime destination compared to the Bucks. Miami historically dont bottom out so Miami picks dont get to the top compared to the possibility of Milwaukee losing Giannis by 2029 or 2030.
The heat didn't lose that bad. They do a good job developing players and have tons of upside with players they have.
Yeah, they really don’t want to win a championship during Jimmy’s window. (Who wants that?) They want to develop Jovic and Jaquez instead
Who says they won't win. They literally have come as close or better than the best in the East with 70% underfteds...as long as Spo is there and they keep getting underestimated they have a chance.
@@Miles_305 Sure… technically, *every* team *could* win
Then they may as well rebuild.
@@Miles_305 How long can they keep doing that, though?
I still don’t understand how you are betting on everything to get this deal done, meaning you have absolutely no leverage, that you will still try to bargain and everything. The moment they drafted Jaquez I knew it’s gonna be hard to get this trade happen
Happy that DL could not decide on his own which team he was to be traded to. Screw that.
He was traded to the Bucks, so he didn't really lose.
According to Chris hanes in a article Miami is off the table from the start
In order to have any chance of even getting out of the East, the Heat MUST get Jrue Holiday.
Yeah, they can trade all the stuff they were gonna trade for Dame for Jrue instead 😅 Poor Heat, always settling for the consolation prize
Blazer's really want either Butler or Bam in a One on one trade, they will not agree for anything less, so Miami did not lose anything...
What about everybody else? Or their assets?
This is nothing new for Riley. He hasn't done shit for years! It's definitely time for him to retire. Also Dame and his agent said he was fine with Milwaukee or Brooklyn
it might be a long shot but i think the heat are setting up a three team trade suns and trail blazers
They lost Vincent and Strus, Lowry has been on and off but mostly off, probably last season for Caleb Martin before he goes somewhere else, herro definitely feeling disrespected after that clown show of trading for lillard.. it's gonna be an amazing season for the heat this year..
I’m pinning this link to my desktop….. by mid season you’re going to see how wrong you were about herro
Bruh, you talking sideways here. Its the Heat that didn't operate in good in this. They were at fault for not giving up good trade packages to Portland because their smug asses felt that they had leverage. You can't blame Portland for exercising their options when Dame gave them ONLY ONE DAMN TEAM TO DEAL WITH. Cmon bro, you can just say bullsh** like that unless you're a Heat homer and you're butthurt.
Bulls in 5.
ROB PILINKA > PAT
It wasn't just the Heat, I know Dame was willing to go to training camp and even play the regular seaosn if he was still to remain a TrailBlazer. That's how much he loves the people and the city of Portland. Can we stop comparing him to the likes of other entitled NBA players, specifically James Harden who decided to hold off on the Sixers by not reporting to them unless he was traded elsewhere.
I think it was either :
Portland was trying to finesse the Heat out of excessive amount of assets and Riles wasn't haven't it!!!!
Or:
Portland was never really serious about trading Dame to the heat from the jump!!
Nah heat tried to get Lillard on the cheap, and failed
Miami fumbled the bag. No question. What is in question is what is Tyler Herro if hes too good off the bench and not good enough to start. At $30+ million. Like Westbrook on 5he lakers. Over-qualified or Over-paid.
I believe lillard will be somewhat professional about this hes literally joining a contender team he cant be that unhappy abt it
The dude is incredibly happy. He wants rings and now he’s probably gonna get at least one. He has a better chance at that with the Bucks than he ever would’ve had with the Heat
@@gregbors8364 correct and also 9 months ago lillard did say he wanted giannis as a teammate
pat going senile!!
Let’s just be honest here heats will never win a championship
Remember the Heatles run. Two titles wins. Granted it’s unlikely with the Jimmy Butler era of course. In spite of me wanting to see JB get one.
How do you know he really wanted to go to Miami? Maybe he really wanted to go to the Bucks all along.
Because it was literally documented and said by him multiple times throughout the offseason
I'm sorry what, how is getting Tyler herro and Duncan Robinson beneficial from a business perspective?