It’s honestly overrated he’s a great player boarderline HOF but he’s not some mvp taking fridge playoff teams to the championship. He takes title contenders over the top.
Yeah every time I bring up they shouldn't have traded Jrue people say then they wouldn't have gotten Dame. Maybe they shouldn't have gone after the hype in the first place and looked for a different deal to improve the team.
Easy to say that in hindsight, Holiday was awful for them in that final end of the season and playoffs, Middleton came off an injury and played exceptional.
@@Supermariohoops24 you could consider holiday awful back then because with no Middleton the bucks leaned on holiday offensively and that’s not his strong suit.
@@Supermariohoops24 Are you seriously considering trading a player of Holiday's caliber just because of that? He was one of their core players, and let's not forget, there were times when Middleton wasn't performing well either.
And the funny thing is......all of us fans could see it easily at the time. But Bucks management were still blinded by the whole "championship coach" narrative
@@robbie_t1525 that's why i laugh with people say "well if you were good at running a team, you'd be running one". Um no sometimes fans who love their teams are quite competent and just cause you're connected or rich doesn't make you smarter
I’m glad Stephen A. mentioned what was going on with Budenholzer. Kidd was fired without them talking to Giannis. Giannis literally begged for him to stay and tried talking to the GM or owner. Griffin being fired I understand was on the players. The media don’t know what the hell they’re talking about sometimes.
Well they basically assume that if a coach gets fired it’s with the blessing of the star player lol now maybe that is an exception with Kidd but most of the time that prolly is the case…
@@WalkingW_he knows that, Shannon is salty because of a remark Giannis said at ghe press conference on the day Bucks won their chip, said he couldn’t leave because he felt there was a task he had to accomplish. “"It is easy to go somewhere and win a championship with somebody else, it's easy. I could go to a super team, do my part and win a championship. But, I did it the hard way."
They dont play off each other well at all. Dame and brook got more chemistry ffs. I think perk hit it on nail. Unfortunate but its been obvious for years..giannis will be giannis and theres nothing u can do about it. And being a champ and former mvp empowers him to the point he can get his 3rd rate baller brother onto the bench
@@bazza1024 Giannis operates better as a one-man show. That’s why I think the Nets, Wizards, and Pistons could all be good landing spots for him as he would be the clear no. 1 scoring option and elevate those teams dramatically
Them firing that coach was wild. It’s over for Milwaukee nd I don’t see them turning things around. They gotta stay the course because they are locked in with what they have
Bcus they’ll fold in the playoffs as soon as teams take them serious. Roster will disappear or get injured, leaving Mitchel to do everything by himself again unfortunately.
@@videomynnIt has nothing to do with that. ESPN only care about Lebron, Lakers, and Knicks. Cavs could go 15-0 and they still wouldn’t talk about them.
Lifetime Bucks fan here. Stephen A's point on Mike Budenholzer is perfect. Fired for not winning 2 rings fast enough, on top of his brothers passing was just straight insane by the bucks.
I honestly disagree. Dame is no stranger to putting a team on his back, last season he came back from a injury that happened when he was with Portland so he wasn't that good last season, this season Dame looks really good, there's still some things that needs to be figured out such as the injuries to Middleton and Giannis. A lot of people are sleeping on Milwaukee acquiring Gary Trent Jr. He's not a big name but he can get buckets. It's still very early in the season, at least wait til December before we give final judgment on team success or failures.
@AnthonyMercado-1988 After they traded Holiday, the Bucks have went downhill. Even when they had Griffen their defense was bad, why do you think that is? Holiday is a lockdown defender
Not many teams WOULDN'T have wanted a great community guy. Has the size to guard any point (including Brunson). Handles himself well on and off the court. Defensive beast ,and actually a very good scorer who still plays complimentary basketball. Might be the best all-around point playing. 🔥
@@AnthonyMercado-1988holiday is one of the best, if not THE best perimeter defender of the last decade. Defence wins championships. Defence keeps you in the game when your shots aren’t falling. It’ll give you a chance to win Every single night. That’s why jrue is so good.
Boston didn’t win the chip because of true defensive ability Boston won the chip because they needed a point guard that could run the offense without rushing under pressure on get there teammates east shots on dats jrue Holiday
@andrefuller4698 jrue isnt a one man army, ofcourse they didnt just win because of good defence, but are you going to tell me that jrue didn't have an impact on the defence? Rubbish
@ Boston already had a good defense that’s wasn’t there problem that’s why they traded the defensive player of the year son a floor general was the issue go on learn more about the game
lol, on the Bucks he was the second or third option. On the Celtics he’s like the 4/5 option. Heck, White does like 90% of what Jrue does. See the difference there?
I’m way more bullish on LAL this year than the past 2. NBA is tough now. There are few, if any, gimme games. LAL need to shoot more threes. Let them go. Keep shooting and let DLo AR etc find rhythm. They ended last year as one of the best shooting teams so keep that going. AD needs to shoot no more than 1-2 per game.
it’s a bit disingenuous to say that Giannis wanted JKidd and Bud fired because he just factually didn’t. Adrian Griffin, sure. and the Dame trade, sure. but yeah the rest was not on him.
If you think any of those coaches can get fired IN A SMALL MARKET WITH A SUPER STAR without the super star consent I have some unicorns to sell you cause you'd definitely be the person to buy it
He doesn’t need to press the button himself, but you don’t think he consulted with him and asked him about it? That was why Shannon asked Stephen A the question at the end. You think if Giannis said he wanted him to stay, they would’ve risked losing Giannis and him leaving, nah.
“Bucks' Giannis Antetokounmpo caught off guard by former coach Adrian Griffin's firing. Giannis Antetokounmpo and Damian Lillard said they were both caught off guard by the firing of former Milwaukee Bucks head coach Adrian Griffin on Tuesday.”
@@jhowd78 the star athlete on any team is always privy to things moving in the front office. How many times has Giannis made public statements to keep the front office locked in? He was involved with the hiring of Griff and I’m sure he has a big part of him getting hired fired and Doc getting hired.
Budenholzer also imo coached poorly that one season bc if I recall he had a close family member or brother die in a car accident or something so might’ve been a bad idea to pull the plug anyways. He been a coaching the suns well.
Budenholzer has coached well with every team he's been on. He coached a bunch of role players to a 60 win record and had them top 6 in both offense and defense back when he was coaching the Hawks. Give Bud talent and he'll make you a contender.
Giannis is the only superstar that gets treated like this. How do you know that "Giannis made the moves" that changed the team? What evidence do you have of that? Also the moves that hurt the team were other trades, not the fking Jrue Holiday trade, of whom they traded to the West, not the Celtics? It's the draft picks they lost for several other mediocre pieces that weakened their bench and team as a result. It's the bad drafting from the organization that has lead to mediocre, or just not ready young players while they always seem to trade away the young players that eventually develop into good players. Doubt Giannis has anything to do with that. He has every right to leave should he want to, which he won't. He brought them a championship and stayed there and helped them fight to win more. He's already given everything to the city. He doesn't owe anyone anything anymore.
Shannon has no idea what he's talking about. Giannis didn't get J Kidd or Coach Bud fired. The Dame trade came from up the front office, not from Giannis directly. Even so, why wouldn't he want another high scorer on the Bucks? Other than him, no one else was carrying the scoring load, Jrue is a streaky scorer, Lopez's production keeps declining and Middleton is always injured. Yes, Griffin was on Giannis but the 30-13 doesn't tell the whole story. The team under Griffin was struggling against teams they should have been beating decisively, and the rest of the team eventually lost confidence in his leadership. And how does Perk know if Giannis didn't try to make Dame comfortable in Milwaukee. What about of clowns.
Damian lillard deserves every single moment of this, he should’ve left Portland a long time ago and so many people advised him so but now look he left way too late. He deserves this.
Yall really sit up here and pick and choose when somebody should be loyal to a team or break that loyalty. Dame saw how yall treated KD, so he stayed so he could be able to be on a moral high ground and garner the fans respect. Now yall are saying he should've left sooner. NBA players are damned if they do and damned if they dont.
So Giannis put Milwaukee back to the map and now he is to blame for everything. For those who watch closely, Griffin had a good record while the team was having the easiest schedule (at start) in recent years. They weren't going anywhere near the Championship with Griffin and that's a FACT. They took a gamble with Doc and just didn't work. The team is old with crappy role players and Dame inconsistent. Giannis delivered a title and now the best for him is to seek his future somewhere else. Nothing wrong with that.
Just because you put a team on the map doesnt mean you dont have blame when the team is doing bad. I sure hope you werent one of the people crapping on KD during his time with the Nets. Giannis was trying to control things and it backfired. He holds the blame for the situation he's in now. He had a bad series in 2023 and lost some games that he could've won if he hit his FTs. That led to Bud getting fired. Then he handpicked Adrian Griffin over Nick Nurse. Then he was openly having issues with Adrian Griffin in the middle of the games for the world to see. Giannis needs to stay in this dumpster fire because he caused it.
@@smoothsavage2870 Okay I dont mean to be rude but are you on crack? Giannis FTs caused BUd to get fired? If I remember accurately Giannis got injured in the first game of that series and came back in game 4. Jrue's inability to create shots while middleton was absent and Bud's lack of time outs caused him to get fired! In the NBA nothing is a guarantee Giannis has paid back 10 folds what the Bucks invested in him from bringing their first championship in 50 years, the economic developmental of milwaukee, Consisent Star player performances, 2 MVPs and regular play offs entries. He has the right to do whatever he wishes
I don't believe the organization asking a star for their opinion is not the same things as the star asking for change to be made. I honestly don't think Giannis requested any of these changes in Milwaukee. If you follow the team, you will realize that Giannis allows the organization to do their job. I'm sure they consult him, but I doubt if he demands anything.
what is shannon talking about man, 11 years in bucks, did kd or lebron spend 11 straight years in one team? for a long time people say giannis should leave and now you blame him. 2 much bulls…
The fact that The bucks fired a Coach that won them s Chip and Fired a coach last season who was winning with them Then they go and get DOC😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 wild
The Bucks' main issue is Khris Middleton's frequent injuries. Giannis clearly values the team, shown by his recent contract extension, but he can't be the only player driving offensive change. Even when Giannis and Dame perform well offensively, it raises the question: what are the rest of the players contributing on defense?
What I loved about the Last Dance documentary is how it showed Jerry Krause making decisions that pissed MJ and Pip off. He fired Doug Collins, got Kukoc, and pushed back on contracts. If the Bulls were to bend to Jordan, they would have kept Collins and he would have averaged 40ppg and get a couple of championships. Even Jordan who was a god had very little power. Stars being the GM never works. Even Lebron was told to shut up in Miami and he won’t the most chips there.
People just cannot seem to remember or understand just how big of a part Middleton is in the bucks success. And brook’s lack of athletic ability and explosiveness is hurting the bucks
Shannon knows 0 about Giannis or the bucks which is why his takes are always so off. 1. Giannis did not want Griffin gone; he liked the fast paced switching defense, but BOBBY PORTIS, AND BROOKE LOPEZ HAD problems with the speed (and Bobby in particular who is an awful defender) and were seeing reduced playing time, took advantage of Giannis loyalty to the teammates he won a ring with. They held a team meeting airing their concerns and Giannis let management know the team would have to move on. Unfortunately Bobby and Brooke took advantage of his loyalty. Sam Amick spoke and wrote about how his teammates have been taking advantage of Giannis loyalty and how someone may need to be in his corner to get him to let that go. That's why horst didn't consult Giannis about Jrue bc he knew Giannis would say no. 2. Dame didn't care either way but the dismissal of Stotts was a red flag to him. 3. Doc was PURELY a TERRIBLE ownership decision. THERE ARE 0 ACTIVE PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE who would CHOOSE SOC MIDDERS
Doc is living off of the Celtics 08 team and that team was selfed coached. Rondo, Allen, Pierce and Garnett were the coaches of that championship team.
To be fair Giannis and dame have been balling. The pnr actually looks pretty good. It’s the others that suck. And it don’t help Khris Middleton is basically thanasis at this point. Dude never plays
Should’ve kept Holiday and traded Middleton. Great player and had a magical run in 21 but he is just so injury prone and I think can be replaced easier, Holiday is way more reliable
I think it is too early to write the Bucks off. Dame and Giannis are putting up great numbers. Chris is out, plus Trent Junior and the other role players are not stepping up yet. It will all get together during the season.
Damien Lillard seems lack top level high level basketball intelligence. He can score at will but those points are rarely in a team context. He's slowly being found out due his lack of high level IQ, which is responsible for his lack of chemistry with Giannis. He doesn't make his teammates better and tends to score in patches. He's akin to Russell Westbrook at his prime: scoring without impacting the team's chemistry. Even when he led the lg in Assists, he was still a poor facilitator. This is what makes Curry great: he can dominate the game in a team context, not by his assists but by destabilizing defenses. This is what makes Ja Morant great: he really knows the game at a high level. This is what Draymond says when he argues at the high level your basketball IQ will get found out, especially if the coach can't supply it. This is why Ant can be aggressive in ISO plays and help the team. Same as Shai Alexander. Either the coach supplies the IQ via system like Steve Kerr or the Boston coach or the players generate it like Jokic or Bron.
Honestly last year with Adrian griffin their offense looked amazing and flowed great with Dame in it. Even with Dame's shooting struggles they were like 2nd in the league in offensive rating. I think it's doc's system that is just completely trash. Where he doesn't run any smart plays and just expects the stars to score.
Perkins has nothing else to say about Middleton other than “old”; but he won’t talk about how he balled out against Pacers without Giannis and half the series without Dame (With two injured ankles).
Dame is not a point guard. He dribbles up the court and passes ahead. He doesn’t set hard screens, he doesn’t know how to feed bigs, he’s just an undersized shooting guard.
Not only did Giannis choose Doc over Griffin. He chose Griffin over Atkinson. And also waved away Bud. And he didn't really choose Dame over Jrue. He chose Middleton over Jrue. A ridiculous streak of bad, very bad, choices.
Beal hasn’t been nothing since he left wizards 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️, he’s gotta be a disappointment to the suns. I had high expectations for him, unfortunately I’ve seen enough. If he had of came to Milwaukee he probably would’ve been worst.
When Spyda left the Jazz, I thought that was the beginning of the End for him and that made me sad because they guy was a titan in SLC. They were close but couldn't get to the Championship Level. However I have been pleasantly surprised at his resurgence in Cleveland. Anyone who watched the Cavs the past couple years knew Garland is destined for elite level, and Mobley / Allen in the middle is and equal to the Mavs or Grizz or Heat at that position (good, not great). Add in an elite like Spyda and you have a team that will easily be in the playoffs and just needs some fine-tuning to go further.
Milwaukee fell into the classic trap of small market teams, they get success and think they are a major market now. They have to have the "name" coach instead of the winning coach, they change the roster to get a couple more "names" instead of getting the key pieces they need.
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The impact Jrue Holiday has on a teams success really needs to be studied 😂
No way in hell i make that Trade but it's what Giannis wanted.
It’s honestly overrated he’s a great player boarderline HOF but he’s not some mvp taking fridge playoff teams to the championship. He takes title contenders over the top.
@@otislamar8613ive been saying this for years and he's a hack in my opinion
overrated the bucks just have major other problems lopez and middelton fell off a cliff defensivly
Yep. He was overtaxed a bit the last year or two with the bucks
The Bucks should've minded their business and let Dame go to Miami in the first place. They should've traded Middleton for Beal and kept Holiday!!!
Facts💯
Yeah every time I bring up they shouldn't have traded Jrue people say then they wouldn't have gotten Dame. Maybe they shouldn't have gone after the hype in the first place and looked for a different deal to improve the team.
the bucks were not on beals list of teams he would have approved of and nobody then or now wants that middleton contract
@@YouCanCallMeReTro What other deal was there
Beal ahh
The bucks should’ve traded Middleton instead of Jrue
Exactly!
Easy to say that in hindsight, Holiday was awful for them in that final end of the season and playoffs, Middleton came off an injury and played exceptional.
@@Supermariohoops24 you could consider holiday awful back then because with no Middleton the bucks leaned on holiday offensively and that’s not his strong suit.
@@Supermariohoops24 Are you seriously considering trading a player of Holiday's caliber just because of that? He was one of their core players, and let's not forget, there were times when Middleton wasn't performing well either.
Yea they should’ve traded him I said that once they got rid of jrue I’m like Why jrue was exactly what Boston needed
Hiring Doc River was the worst thing they could’ve ever done 😂
Doc and Ham what the
And the funny thing is......all of us fans could see it easily at the time. But Bucks management were still blinded by the whole "championship coach" narrative
As well traded for dame!
@@johnx295 no Firing the coach that had them playing good basketball was the worst thing they could've done.
@@robbie_t1525 that's why i laugh with people say "well if you were good at running a team, you'd be running one". Um no sometimes fans who love their teams are quite competent and just cause you're connected or rich doesn't make you smarter
The bucks issue is doc rivers and I say that as a sixers fan. He plays way too much iso ball. You can’t win with dame and Giannis only.
That’s what they wanted! Griffin had friction with giannnis because he was trying to challenge him to improve his game
Doc was not a good move. And Dame is not a winner.
That's a reason why they trash . This is a 3 point league . Who can't shoot 3s on the bucks ? @@Love.hammer999
Ok well who do you want them to call plays for because they have nobody.
The bucks issue is Middleton is always hurt and when he isn’t hurt. He’s not the reliable 17-22ppg scorer he once was
I’m glad Stephen A. mentioned what was going on with Budenholzer. Kidd was fired without them talking to Giannis. Giannis literally begged for him to stay and tried talking to the GM or owner. Griffin being fired I understand was on the players. The media don’t know what the hell they’re talking about sometimes.
And you know?
@@CuatroCinc0😂😂
They push internet narratives
Well they basically assume that if a coach gets fired it’s with the blessing of the star player lol now maybe that is an exception with Kidd but most of the time that prolly is the case…
Bud was kd toe from being fired
Giannis was upset when they fired Jason Kidd....how none of them know that????
Because they listen to twitter hot takes and come to spew it on national tv as theirs for clicks
Y’all must ain’t seen Shannon night cap he talked about that
@ that means he is regurgitating the same wrong information/opinion from twitter. Even worse.
Because facts get in the way of the story.
@@WalkingW_he knows that, Shannon is salty because of a remark Giannis said at ghe press conference on the day Bucks won their chip, said he couldn’t leave because he felt there was a task he had to accomplish. “"It is easy to go somewhere and win a championship with somebody else, it's easy. I could go to a super team, do my part and win a championship. But, I did it the hard way."
Giannis and Dame are actually playing good right now but they need depth
They dont play off each other well at all. Dame and brook got more chemistry ffs. I think perk hit it on nail. Unfortunate but its been obvious for years..giannis will be giannis and theres nothing u can do about it. And being a champ and former mvp empowers him to the point he can get his 3rd rate baller brother onto the bench
@@bazza1024 Giannis operates better as a one-man show. That’s why I think the Nets, Wizards, and Pistons could all be good landing spots for him as he would be the clear no. 1 scoring option and elevate those teams dramatically
@@bazza1024you obviously don’t watch game
It’s coaching. Lol the same team that they had last year started 30-13. Now they are 1-6 ,they have depth ,all of this is just coaching. That’s it.
@@Amari02 u obviously an idiot
This could be Doc Rivers’ last coaching job in the league.
It will be
He's gonna be back on espn calling games with his hoarse voice azz
I say, “ You are Wrong “. Doc will be Coaching in The NBA until He is 100 YEARS OLD!
Didn’t they say that last team he was on
It 100 percent should be
Them firing that coach was wild. It’s over for Milwaukee nd I don’t see them turning things around. They gotta stay the course because they are locked in with what they have
Milwaukee biggest mistake was including Jrue in the Dame trade. A backcourt of Dame and Jrue alongside Giannis would have devastated the league
The Cavs are literally 8-0 and we twlk about how bad every other team has been, not how good they’ve been smh…
Espn
first roud exit
Bcus they’ll fold in the playoffs as soon as teams take them serious. Roster will disappear or get injured, leaving Mitchel to do everything by himself again unfortunately.
@@videomynnIt has nothing to do with that. ESPN only care about Lebron, Lakers, and Knicks. Cavs could go 15-0 and they still wouldn’t talk about them.
@@videomynnyou don't pay attention cavs have improved each year. You are slow
Lifetime Bucks fan here. Stephen A's point on Mike Budenholzer is perfect. Fired for not winning 2 rings fast enough, on top of his brothers passing was just straight insane by the bucks.
Bucks are going down fast. I think they’ll turn it around and make the playoffs but I don’t see them going deep in the playoffs
Bold prediction for a team that went out first rd the last two seasons 😂
They are better off tanking for Cooper Flagg 😂
@ 😂😂😂😂😂Mybad Matt. I’m from Wisconsin and they put they life on the bucks so me telling them that is a bold prediction
@@WestmorelandBrosPodcast Bucks= Denver Nuggets 2.0
I honestly disagree. Dame is no stranger to putting a team on his back, last season he came back from a injury that happened when he was with Portland so he wasn't that good last season, this season Dame looks really good, there's still some things that needs to be figured out such as the injuries to Middleton and Giannis. A lot of people are sleeping on Milwaukee acquiring Gary Trent Jr. He's not a big name but he can get buckets. It's still very early in the season, at least wait til December before we give final judgment on team success or failures.
Nobody realizes how good Holiday is in every aspect. I wish the Suns would've got Holiday in that trade
@AnthonyMercado-1988 After they traded Holiday, the Bucks have went downhill. Even when they had Griffen their defense was bad, why do you think that is? Holiday is a lockdown defender
Not many teams WOULDN'T have wanted a great community guy. Has the size to guard any point (including Brunson). Handles himself well on and off the court. Defensive beast ,and actually a very good scorer who still plays complimentary basketball. Might be the best all-around point playing. 🔥
@@AnthonyMercado-1988holiday is one of the best, if not THE best perimeter defender of the last decade. Defence wins championships. Defence keeps you in the game when your shots aren’t falling. It’ll give you a chance to win Every single night. That’s why jrue is so good.
@@AnthonyMercado-1988you’re the clear casual here.
Jrue Holiday is missed I never liked the Dame move Giannis problem is he doesn’t like to take accountability.
Janis gave Celtics that 18th banner- Jrue Holiday. he is like that worker in factory. who never gets enough credit for company success.
Janis?
@@r.m.90 "J" makes the "Y" sound for some people. Like "G" makes the "Y" sound for Giannis and Greek people.
@@smoothsavage2870 Yeah, but that's not how his name is spelled, and it's literally in the video title.
@@r.m.90 I'm just providing context. I dont want no smoke.
🫤🤔🤔😵💫@@smoothsavage2870
Bucks were 32 and something before firing coach and letting Doc takeover. Doc about to be gone before thanksgiving.
The bucks main star can't shoot . Let that that sink in .
@@MoonStars-v7q they won a chip. Let that sink iin
Sharpe speaking facts Gianni’s has to lay in the bed he made
People really thought a Dame-Giannis duo was going to win a chip 😂
True holiday's defensive contribution to celtics victory tells you everything the bucks did wrong in that trade
Boston didn’t win the chip because of true defensive ability Boston won the chip because they needed a point guard that could run the offense without rushing under pressure on get there teammates east shots on dats jrue Holiday
@andrefuller4698 jrue isnt a one man army, ofcourse they didnt just win because of good defence, but are you going to tell me that jrue didn't have an impact on the defence? Rubbish
@ Boston already had a good defense that’s wasn’t there problem that’s why they traded the defensive player of the year son a floor general was the issue go on learn more about the game
@@andrefuller4698 the video isn't about boston winning, its about where the bucks went wrong, what are you on about?🤦
lol, on the Bucks he was the second or third option. On the Celtics he’s like the 4/5 option. Heck, White does like 90% of what Jrue does. See the difference there?
6:10 “Beyoncé this roster” 💀💀
Kendrick spitting on the bucks segment
I’m way more bullish on LAL this year than the past 2. NBA is tough now. There are few, if any, gimme games. LAL need to shoot more threes. Let them go. Keep shooting and let DLo AR etc find rhythm. They ended last year as one of the best shooting teams so keep that going. AD needs to shoot no more than 1-2 per game.
it’s a bit disingenuous to say that Giannis wanted JKidd and Bud fired because he just factually didn’t. Adrian Griffin, sure. and the Dame trade, sure. but yeah the rest was not on him.
For the last 6 years the mainstream media want him out of Milwaukee and will say anything and do anything to forward that notion...
If you think any of those coaches can get fired IN A SMALL MARKET WITH A SUPER STAR without the super star consent I have some unicorns to sell you cause you'd definitely be the person to buy it
Maybe they didn’t want him fired but the bucks had to get his approval to do it
He doesn’t need to press the button himself, but you don’t think he consulted with him and asked him about it? That was why Shannon asked Stephen A the question at the end. You think if Giannis said he wanted him to stay, they would’ve risked losing Giannis and him leaving, nah.
You literally dont know this no one does of course giannis will say he didn’t
How is Giannis the GM and Dame trade was a W...
The problem was firing Coach Bud!!! Not trading Jrue!
As a Bucks fan and Milwaukee native. I approve this message. Dont set the fire and then run when its burning down 🎯
Give me one quote from Giannis that 100% makes these takes true.
“Bucks' Giannis Antetokounmpo caught off guard by former coach Adrian Griffin's firing. Giannis Antetokounmpo and Damian Lillard said they were both caught off guard by the firing of former Milwaukee Bucks head coach Adrian Griffin on Tuesday.”
@@jhowd78 the star athlete on any team is always privy to things moving in the front office. How many times has Giannis made public statements to keep the front office locked in? He was involved with the hiring of Griff and I’m sure he has a big part of him getting hired fired and Doc getting hired.
@@khaltsharivist365 to think Giannis is caught off guard by anything going on with his team is laughable lol
Facts.
Budenholzer also imo coached poorly that one season bc if I recall he had a close family member or brother die in a car accident or something so might’ve been a bad idea to pull the plug anyways. He been a coaching the suns well.
Budenholzer has coached well with every team he's been on. He coached a bunch of role players to a 60 win record and had them top 6 in both offense and defense back when he was coaching the Hawks. Give Bud talent and he'll make you a contender.
Giannis is the only superstar that gets treated like this. How do you know that "Giannis made the moves" that changed the team? What evidence do you have of that? Also the moves that hurt the team were other trades, not the fking Jrue Holiday trade, of whom they traded to the West, not the Celtics? It's the draft picks they lost for several other mediocre pieces that weakened their bench and team as a result. It's the bad drafting from the organization that has lead to mediocre, or just not ready young players while they always seem to trade away the young players that eventually develop into good players. Doubt Giannis has anything to do with that. He has every right to leave should he want to, which he won't. He brought them a championship and stayed there and helped them fight to win more. He's already given everything to the city. He doesn't owe anyone anything anymore.
What are you talking about 😭😭😭 LeBron literally gets the same flogging when he gets coaches fired
You are describing Lebron. Swap Giannis for Lebron in your paragraph and then it will be factual.
Why would ownership fire a coach when you're 30-13 for a coach who is arguably worse? It's because one of your prima dona stars demanded it
Dude what tf are you talking about. Giannis is literally the most protected superstar. Man I can’t stand y’all Victim Run and dunk man fans 🤦🏾♂️
Cap! Lebron gets the worst treatment from every Vlogger and haters; facts.
Shannon has no idea what he's talking about. Giannis didn't get J Kidd or Coach Bud fired. The Dame trade came from up the front office, not from Giannis directly. Even so, why wouldn't he want another high scorer on the Bucks? Other than him, no one else was carrying the scoring load, Jrue is a streaky scorer, Lopez's production keeps declining and Middleton is always injured.
Yes, Griffin was on Giannis but the 30-13 doesn't tell the whole story. The team under Griffin was struggling against teams they should have been beating decisively, and the rest of the team eventually lost confidence in his leadership.
And how does Perk know if Giannis didn't try to make Dame comfortable in Milwaukee. What about of clowns.
"They didnt Beyonce this roster and upgrade it" 😂😂
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cringe
Corny
Management is the issue as well.
Lakers thin on the bench. Imagine using a draft pick for a good role player not Bronny.
Damian lillard deserves every single moment of this, he should’ve left Portland a long time ago and so many people advised him so but now look he left way too late. He deserves this.
That’s the most stupid comment I’ve read all year
@@Amari02Dame deserves this too. Stop lying. He wanted to play with Giannis too. He said himself. Where is the smoke for Lame Time
not if he's going to Miami he will average 40 there lol
Yall really sit up here and pick and choose when somebody should be loyal to a team or break that loyalty. Dame saw how yall treated KD, so he stayed so he could be able to be on a moral high ground and garner the fans respect. Now yall are saying he should've left sooner. NBA players are damned if they do and damned if they dont.
Dude be jogging up the court with the ball in his hand all the time looking like a old man
even if Middleton has injury problem, as banged up as he was, he still won the Bucks a game in the playoffs... tired of clueless Perkins takes
The lakers kept the same mediocre starting line up and thought a rookie coach would be able to make them better 🤡
He’s actually coaching great but they lack 2 way players
@@CuatroCinc0 can't coach up inconsistent players.
We are better last season we would’ve been 0-8 right now
You do realize this same starting lineup went 23-10 under Ham last year, right?
@@BronGotGameseriously. The roster is cooked after the 6th man
Shannon was spittin 🔥🔥
These people keep saying that Giannis did this and that without any prove, he would never ask to trade jrue holiday or fire a coach
So Giannis put Milwaukee back to the map and now he is to blame for everything. For those who watch closely, Griffin had a good record while the team was having the easiest schedule (at start) in recent years. They weren't going anywhere near the Championship with Griffin and that's a FACT. They took a gamble with Doc and just didn't work. The team is old with crappy role players and Dame inconsistent. Giannis delivered a title and now the best for him is to seek his future somewhere else. Nothing wrong with that.
So they only won with griffin because of a easy schedule but now they’re are losing to teams they should be beating?
Just because you put a team on the map doesnt mean you dont have blame when the team is doing bad. I sure hope you werent one of the people crapping on KD during his time with the Nets. Giannis was trying to control things and it backfired. He holds the blame for the situation he's in now.
He had a bad series in 2023 and lost some games that he could've won if he hit his FTs. That led to Bud getting fired. Then he handpicked Adrian Griffin over Nick Nurse. Then he was openly having issues with Adrian Griffin in the middle of the games for the world to see. Giannis needs to stay in this dumpster fire because he caused it.
@@smoothsavage2870 Okay I dont mean to be rude but are you on crack? Giannis FTs caused BUd to get fired? If I remember accurately Giannis got injured in the first game of that series and came back in game 4. Jrue's inability to create shots while middleton was absent and Bud's lack of time outs caused him to get fired! In the NBA nothing is a guarantee Giannis has paid back 10 folds what the Bucks invested in him from bringing their first championship in 50 years, the economic developmental of milwaukee, Consisent Star player performances, 2 MVPs and regular play offs entries. He has the right to do whatever he wishes
Jrue Holiday is a better all around player than Dame respectively. They should've traded Middleton.
“ I sawr it”😂
6:19 | Giannis did NOT want to move on from Jason Kidd. Shannon just talking today.
This dude JJ Redick keeps playing Max Christie and D’Angelo. They said he was a coaching genius.
Those minutes belong to Bronny, he earned it!
What are his other options 😂
@@iamhorcruxer Knect and Vincent
@@mikejones9906 vincent is absolute garbage... they need D lo just for his floor spacing ability alone, this shows u dont know basketball
@@eminjohnson3341 Your comment shows you don’t know grammar.
Giannis never said anything about leaving.... not sure why Perk and Shay personally going after him.
A weak bench on an old team is a disaster .
That is exactly the path the Nuggets are now headed down
I don't believe the organization asking a star for their opinion is not the same things as the star asking for change to be made. I honestly don't think Giannis requested any of these changes in Milwaukee. If you follow the team, you will realize that Giannis allows the organization to do their job. I'm sure they consult him, but I doubt if he demands anything.
0:15 - Correction Molly... Shannon was NEVER a Lakers fan... He's a LeNuts fan
Proud and Loud
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what is shannon talking about man, 11 years in bucks, did kd or lebron spend 11 straight years in one team? for a long time people say giannis should leave and now you blame him. 2 much bulls…
The fact that The bucks fired a Coach that won them s Chip and Fired a coach last season who was winning with them Then they go and get DOC😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 wild
The Bucks' main issue is Khris Middleton's frequent injuries. Giannis clearly values the team, shown by his recent contract extension, but he can't be the only player driving offensive change. Even when Giannis and Dame perform well offensively, it raises the question: what are the rest of the players contributing on defense?
So ESPN just blames the player for making GM decisions. Where’s the Doc blame? Giannis ain’t hiring and firing people Giannis is not the GM. Stop it!
The person who initiated the move and requested it conditional on him possibly leaving should share the blame
THEY ARE ANSWERING THE QUESTION. IF THIS WAS A DOC QUESTION HE WOULD GET CRUCIFIED TOO
You need to watch more than one clip bro 😂
They don’t a move without him lol
lol yes he is the gm of the team that’s the rules when it comes to superstars running the league
What I loved about the Last Dance documentary is how it showed Jerry Krause making decisions that pissed MJ and Pip off. He fired Doug Collins, got Kukoc, and pushed back on contracts. If the Bulls were to bend to Jordan, they would have kept Collins and he would have averaged 40ppg and get a couple of championships. Even Jordan who was a god had very little power.
Stars being the GM never works. Even Lebron was told to shut up in Miami and he won’t the most chips there.
Giannis' been my favorite player for so long and if we're being honest this is all his fault!!
All I got to say is Darvin Ham & Glen Rivers
People laughed at me when I said they wouldn’t be contenders
It’s only 7 games
@ I said this a year ago
Imagine being the billionaire owner of the bucks & instead of hiring a competent human being, you hire doc rivers 🤡
The same owners who also gave Deshaun Watson $230 million. Decision-making is in the gutter.
They also brought on Darvin Ham
There HAS to be something to hiring Doc. It makes no sense. There's so many other coaches. Greek must've demanded him.
Right why bring in one of a handful of coaches that's won a championship before
Well that’s not how its done in Milwaukee
People just cannot seem to remember or understand just how big of a part Middleton is in the bucks success.
And brook’s lack of athletic ability and explosiveness is hurting the bucks
Shannon Sharpe 🤣😂🤣😂 7:08
He went in like flynn
It's crazy how some players get a break from criticism
Shannon knows 0 about Giannis or the bucks which is why his takes are always so off.
1. Giannis did not want Griffin gone; he liked the fast paced switching defense, but BOBBY PORTIS, AND BROOKE LOPEZ HAD problems with the speed (and Bobby in particular who is an awful defender) and were seeing reduced playing time, took advantage of Giannis loyalty to the teammates he won a ring with. They held a team meeting airing their concerns and Giannis let management know the team would have to move on. Unfortunately Bobby and Brooke took advantage of his loyalty. Sam Amick spoke and wrote about how his teammates have been taking advantage of Giannis loyalty and how someone may need to be in his corner to get him to let that go.
That's why horst didn't consult Giannis about Jrue bc he knew Giannis would say no.
2. Dame didn't care either way but the dismissal of Stotts was a red flag to him.
3. Doc was PURELY a TERRIBLE ownership decision. THERE ARE 0 ACTIVE PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE who would CHOOSE SOC MIDDERS
Also Giannis definitely didn't want kidd gone. He loved him.
Source??
@@goatstatusj5112his source? just look at his silly username. 😆
Doc is living off of the Celtics 08 team and that team was selfed coached. Rondo, Allen, Pierce and Garnett were the coaches of that championship team.
Rondo was in his second year and barely played in the playoffs in 2008
Giannis won a chip with the team that drafted him it’s a difference
He got one but nothing yet
Fire Doc
Molly just HAS to have the last word, relax sheesh lol
i like all the the other Host Better she blow me
To be fair Giannis and dame have been balling. The pnr actually looks pretty good. It’s the others that suck. And it don’t help Khris Middleton is basically thanasis at this point. Dude never plays
Should’ve kept Holiday and traded Middleton. Great player and had a magical run in 21 but he is just so injury prone and I think can be replaced easier, Holiday is way more reliable
middleton wasnt enough to get dame
Khris is giannis best friend there was no way they were trading him before jrue
Giannis never asked to leave lol this conversation is crazy 🤣
😂 Perk thought that Beyoncé line was gonna hit
😂😂😂
I think it is too early to write the Bucks off. Dame and Giannis are putting up great numbers. Chris is out, plus Trent Junior and the other role players are not stepping up yet. It will all get together during the season.
Don't duck and run, like LeBron has done pretty much his whole career? 😂😂😂. Funny how these ESPN analysts don't talk about LeBron the same way.
The whole panel receiving klutch payment 😅😅
Damien Lillard seems lack top level high level basketball intelligence. He can score at will but those points are rarely in a team context. He's slowly being found out due his lack of high level IQ, which is responsible for his lack of chemistry with Giannis. He doesn't make his teammates better and tends to score in patches. He's akin to Russell Westbrook at his prime: scoring without impacting the team's chemistry. Even when he led the lg in Assists, he was still a poor facilitator. This is what makes Curry great: he can dominate the game in a team context, not by his assists but by destabilizing defenses. This is what makes Ja Morant great: he really knows the game at a high level. This is what Draymond says when he argues at the high level your basketball IQ will get found out, especially if the coach can't supply it. This is why Ant can be aggressive in ISO plays and help the team. Same as Shai Alexander. Either the coach supplies the IQ via system like Steve Kerr or the Boston coach or the players generate it like Jokic or Bron.
Honestly last year with Adrian griffin their offense looked amazing and flowed great with Dame in it. Even with Dame's shooting struggles they were like 2nd in the league in offensive rating. I think it's doc's system that is just completely trash. Where he doesn't run any smart plays and just expects the stars to score.
That's a good summary Milwaukee. They are in no shape to make it to the 3rd round of the playoffs 🙀😔
Peak dame is better than Ja and Ant by the way and its not particularly close either.
Damian Lillard dragged Portland to the playoffs every year without a all star teammate...Doc Rivers is the problem
Bro you know nothing of what it takes to play basketball at a team or nba lvl lmao stop
Agree.. Holiday is a Stud!!
Jrue and Anthony Davis took out Dame and CJ
Perkins has nothing else to say about Middleton other than “old”; but he won’t talk about how he balled out against Pacers without Giannis and half the series without Dame (With two injured ankles).
Cavs 8-0 and these 🤡 talk about the 1-6 bucks 🤦🏻♂️
Cause they will finish 6th.
@@SnarkyAdjTv you wanna bet that ?
@ absolutely
They’ll talk about the Cavs if they think Lebron is leaving🤢
@@SnarkyAdjTv they finished 4th the last 2 years ,are 8-0 so far this year and you think they will finish 6th this season smh … $500 bet
Dang, that was personal for Shannon 😂😂
5:10 ... I mean Giannis did have his whole team come out to his wedding in Greece
Dame is not a point guard. He dribbles up the court and passes ahead. He doesn’t set hard screens, he doesn’t know how to feed bigs, he’s just an undersized shooting guard.
Waiting for Wood
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Not only did Giannis choose Doc over Griffin. He chose Griffin over Atkinson. And also waved away Bud.
And he didn't really choose Dame over Jrue. He chose Middleton over Jrue.
A ridiculous streak of bad, very bad, choices.
The Bucks shouldve never traded for Dame & traded Khris Middleton for Beal
But Beal has also had his fair share of injuries. He's had trouble staying on the court as well.
@ they still would’ve been better than they currently are
@@CoolTy23no they wouldn’t they need defense they should’ve traded Bobby portis, Middleton and pat already
Beal . 😂. That's a lot of money to pay and he's on the bench a lot now. In street clothes, hurt
Beal hasn’t been nothing since he left wizards 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️, he’s gotta be a disappointment to the suns. I had high expectations for him, unfortunately I’ve seen enough. If he had of came to Milwaukee he probably would’ve been worst.
Shannon was outta pocket for the Bud aspect.
I don’t think Giannis called him for him to be fired.
Can we talk about the Cavs ??
Nah they ain't did enough yet plus it's Cleveland 😂
What of OKC
What is so special with an 8-0 record? You all get so hyped easily. Season games are totally different come playoffs.
Jru Holiday should be a Hofer, just his impact on winning writes itself. But yea in terms of the bucks losing streak? Sounds like a Giannis problem...
Lillard stinks
Everybody talking about Jru Holiday but the key piece was PJ Tucker
The bucks problems stem from terrifying defensive protocols. It’s a coaching problem.
I blame ownership. They made all these decisions. Smh 🤦
When Spyda left the Jazz, I thought that was the beginning of the End for him and that made me sad because they guy was a titan in SLC. They were close but couldn't get to the Championship Level. However I have been pleasantly surprised at his resurgence in Cleveland. Anyone who watched the Cavs the past couple years knew Garland is destined for elite level, and Mobley / Allen in the middle is and equal to the Mavs or Grizz or Heat at that position (good, not great). Add in an elite like Spyda and you have a team that will easily be in the playoffs and just needs some fine-tuning to go further.
The lakers roster is far from perfect but nothing will change as long as Dlo is the starting PG.
Trading Jrue was a bad move, hiring Doc was the worst move
Shannon was holding that grudge for knows how long 🤣
Giannis didn’t want J Kidd gone lol. They had to convince him that firing Kidd was a good decision. You gotta know what you’re talking about
Kendrick Perkins “Pal George” “Bam OutoftheBayu”
😂😂😂
Can't forget Rudy Go Bert
I know. I know. Hold on we at mass preparing corned beef and sausage patties
Aging sucks, not enough young talent and a coach that hasn't motivated the team
Milwaukee fell into the classic trap of small market teams, they get success and think they are a major market now. They have to have the "name" coach instead of the winning coach, they change the roster to get a couple more "names" instead of getting the key pieces they need.
I cant stand Molly. She always interrupt. upsetting
“When you didn’t Beyoncé this roaster and upgrade it” Perk puts a lot of thought into this… we love it!