I have a State Megalith from several years ago. Single speed. It puts a smile on my face every time I ride it. It’s heavy and slow. I don’t care. It takes me where I want to go here in Alberta Canada winter. I put a better chain tensioner on it. Surly. Expensive studded tires which transforms it.
Very good video, sorry this comment is so long winded. I'm happy to see State bikes producing a fat bike since it seems more and more brands are dropping them but frankly, this is the type that drives people away from fat biking. I love fat bikes and ride them full time and am frequently at the front of advanced-intermediate group rides. Fellow riders are amazed that I can ride that fast on a fatty and even more amazed when they find out my bike is a tad less that 30lbs. Yet they are still reluctant to buy one because they aren't sure they can turn such big tires effectively which is a valid concern. I'm still on 26X4.0 because they are quicker handling and much easier to pedal than 26X 4.8 and 27.5X 4.0 yet at 9-12 psi for an XC trail ride still give adequate flotation and rollover ability. I've tried the larger width and diameter fat tires and found that I was unable to ride the same climbs, sand washes and tight single track as well and on my tubeless 26X4.0's. Even back in 2015 when I demoed a Salsa Mukluk with Rolling Daryl rims with no cutouts and tubed wire bead Surly Nates I was barely able to pedal the thing up even a modest snow climb. It felt like I was riding a steam roller. Because of that experience, I just about gave up on fat bikes. It was until a few years later when true lighter tubeless rims and tires were made did I really make the switch from my 29er to full time on the fat bike. Bottom line, if the manufacturers want to keep selling fat bikes they need to focus more on lighter tires and wheels and not so much on bigger is better. 26X4.0 tires mounted to 80mm tubeless rims seems to be the sweet spot of lightness, quick handling and bump absorption and still give incredible corning traction. My advice to anyone viewing this well made video, don't waste your money on a fat bike that weighs this much. You won't like it and it will probably end up dumping it for a loss. Get a model that has tubeless ready tires and wheels, don't try to convert non-tubeless. Whether is has 26 or 27.5 inch tires stay at the 4.0 width unless you have herculean leg strength.
It reminds me a lot of my Charge Cooker Maxi from 10 years ago. I still have it!! Not really the type of bike you're going to want to upgrade much unless it's hand me down parts from other bikes or maintenance upgrades. But if you don't expect much in the competitive sense, it will age well and still be fun to own and ride years down the road.
Great channel and review! Thanks. I am fatbike curious and when this one was announced I thought this might be an option to try fatbiking, despite a fatbike probably being overkill for where I live. I wouldn’t mind low end components as I would be upgrading in case I liked it, unfortunately, as you pointed out, the bike doesn’t seem that upgradeable, especially with the qr. I have to admit I really like the colour though. Cheers.
That was just part of their Christmas sale. It's actually running the m2000 which has a max of 36t, but that's assuming a 2x or 3x up front. I haven't had any issues with the 42t and don't feel like it's really strained or anything.
@@RideYearRound Rear mech does not consider front 1X, 2X or 3X. Max rear cog is for proper clearance. Shimano just wants you to spend more $ going up in size.
Good point, I think I was using a vague remembrance of charts that show 1x vs 2x max capacity but they're actually referring to two different submodels. Either way, the 42t works just fine.
"The House" is back online now. They weren't shut down too long, for whatever reason. Their bike selection is smaller than before it shut down, but they still have the Minnesota as a cheaper option.
The House is back, but Framed isn’t coming back. There are still some Framed bikes on there for sale, but they’re just dumping what’s left of the stock.
the frame looks great, but thats about where it ends for me. you could get a rocky mountain blizzard for only a couple hundred bucks more and itll come with a nicer drive train, standard fat bike hub spacing and thru axles, hydro disc brakes and way lighter wheels and much better tires.. thanks for the review!
Those are regular XC tire sizes nowadays- heck a lot guys run 2.6- 2.8”- any mtb can be ridden in snow, but you got to have at least a 3”-4” wide tire to get the bike to “float” on snow or sand- a 2.2 or 2.4 will still sink significantly more than a really wide tire…
If you're not talking about snow riding, I think rigid bikes are tons of fun. I prefer plus tires to reduce some of the trail chatter, but that set up would still be tons of fun on smooth stuff.
@@stevekelly6544 snow is not where I would be riding primarily. And I am having difficult time finding tyres wider than 2.3'' and rims to go with them in Türkiye.
@@RideYearRound snow is not the main concern for me. Just curious how it would be to have a rigid fork with not so wide tyres. And locking the fork is not exactly the same as having a lightweight rigid fork. Looking forward to having tons of fun.
Agreed! Excluding the very cheapest fat bikes out there that have road gearing and completely horrible brakes, I pretty much always have a good time on a fat bike.
@RideYearRound totally, I appreciate companies like state bicycle, poseidon and marin... in a time where inflation is making this sport harder and harder for average people to get into, these companies offer unbeatable prices which runs in the face of larger companies that are charging more than ever before. I'm alright with mechanical brakes, I'm alright with 1x10, I love decent parts and standards that won't age out in the next couple years like 141 qr! Good on them, these are truly bikes for the people by the people and im here for it.
I love State Bicycles but they missed the mark with the build spec. Its just way to outdated, unless they want to drop the price down to 700$. Surly Wednesdays are on sale right now for 1300$ and are miles ahead of these units. Hopefully they get it right on the next model
I've been waiting for a review on this bike until I decide if I want one or not. Like you said, there is not a lot of options for a fat bike that's "reasonably" priced. I think fat bikes get a bad rep because people want them to be something they are not. A fat bike is great in the snow (especially with studded tires) and the sand, they kinda suck at everything else, planted on the ground with a really "loose" trail is what they are. Your comment "it's not a playful bike" hits the nail right on the head... because it's not and it's not really meant to be. It's a pretty stable bike to ride in the strange conditions you may encounter and that's about it, just don't think you're going to win a Red Bull style of run with a fat bike though, because you're not and you'll be fine.
I had said bike for a couple days not bad for a budget bike I just don't like budget stuff I only bought it because I thought I would not like fat biking after returning and getting a Bigfoot two I will probably won't go back to my regular hard tail I paid 1400 shipped for a Bigfoot two after upgrading the cassette brakes and other stuff I'd like to do for this one it would've cost more than what I paid for the Bigfoot but if you're really looking for a budget bike it's not bad at all little heavy
You could get a brand new Wednesday for about $200 more than this- definitely a better bike all the way around- geometry and build. For sure a much better option
Surly is running a great sale right now so the Wednesday is close on price at the moment, but when the sale ends it’ll be nearly twice the price of this bike. Some people will also be stretching in the first place to even afford a $1000 bike so I think this could still be a good option.
MASSes at 40 pounds! 😉 The rims are 100mm wide, I measured them. I have the same bike in for review which I hope to get out on this weekend. If you haven't tried MicroShift AdventX before, it's definitely worth a try. It's the best budget drivetrain there is and it has a clutch. I run it on my Nukeproof Scout. Just make sure you get the better cassette option that has an aluminum 48t cog as opposed to all steel.
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I would freak out on a trail that narrow at that elevation. Great demo.
Acolyte work well with 9-11 speed shifters and cassettes. Same pull ratio. I'm running it with the Advent X 11-48T cassette an Trail Pro shifter.
I have a State Megalith from several years ago. Single speed. It puts a smile on my face every time I ride it. It’s heavy and slow. I don’t care. It takes me where I want to go here in Alberta Canada winter. I put a better chain tensioner on it. Surly. Expensive studded tires which transforms it.
Very good video, sorry this comment is so long winded.
I'm happy to see State bikes producing a fat bike since it seems more and more brands are dropping them but frankly, this is the type that drives people away from fat biking. I love fat bikes and ride them full time and am frequently at the front of advanced-intermediate group rides. Fellow riders are amazed that I can ride that fast on a fatty and even more amazed when they find out my bike is a tad less that 30lbs. Yet they are still reluctant to buy one because they aren't sure they can turn such big tires effectively which is a valid concern. I'm still on 26X4.0 because they are quicker handling and much easier to pedal than 26X 4.8 and 27.5X 4.0 yet at 9-12 psi for an XC trail ride still give adequate flotation and rollover ability. I've tried the larger width and diameter fat tires and found that I was unable to ride the same climbs, sand washes and tight single track as well and on my tubeless 26X4.0's. Even back in 2015 when I demoed a Salsa Mukluk with Rolling Daryl rims with no cutouts and tubed wire bead Surly Nates I was barely able to pedal the thing up even a modest snow climb. It felt like I was riding a steam roller. Because of that experience, I just about gave up on fat bikes. It was until a few years later when true lighter tubeless rims and tires were made did I really make the switch from my 29er to full time on the fat bike. Bottom line, if the manufacturers want to keep selling fat bikes they need to focus more on lighter tires and wheels and not so much on bigger is better. 26X4.0 tires mounted to 80mm tubeless rims seems to be the sweet spot of lightness, quick handling and bump absorption and still give incredible corning traction. My advice to anyone viewing this well made video, don't waste your money on a fat bike that weighs this much. You won't like it and it will probably end up dumping it for a loss. Get a model that has tubeless ready tires and wheels, don't try to convert non-tubeless. Whether is has 26 or 27.5 inch tires stay at the 4.0 width unless you have herculean leg strength.
Sounds like a nice entry level fat bike.
It reminds me a lot of my Charge Cooker Maxi from 10 years ago. I still have it!! Not really the type of bike you're going to want to upgrade much unless it's hand me down parts from other bikes or maintenance upgrades. But if you don't expect much in the competitive sense, it will age well and still be fun to own and ride years down the road.
I had one of those for a bit and you’re right, very similar ride characteristics and specs.
Great channel and review! Thanks.
I am fatbike curious and when this one was announced I thought this might be an option to try fatbiking, despite a fatbike probably being overkill for where I live. I wouldn’t mind low end components as I would be upgrading in case I liked it, unfortunately, as you pointed out, the bike doesn’t seem that upgradeable, especially with the qr. I have to admit I really like the colour though.
Cheers.
It's not selling to well. Price reduced $100 12/17 Altus M370 is not recommended by Shimano for more than 34T rear cogs
That was just part of their Christmas sale. It's actually running the m2000 which has a max of 36t, but that's assuming a 2x or 3x up front. I haven't had any issues with the 42t and don't feel like it's really strained or anything.
@@RideYearRound Rear mech does not consider front 1X, 2X or 3X. Max rear cog is for proper clearance. Shimano just wants you to spend more $ going up in size.
Good point, I think I was using a vague remembrance of charts that show 1x vs 2x max capacity but they're actually referring to two different submodels. Either way, the 42t works just fine.
"The House" is back online now. They weren't shut down too long, for whatever reason. Their bike selection is smaller than before it shut down, but they still have the Minnesota as a cheaper option.
The House is back, but Framed isn’t coming back. There are still some Framed bikes on there for sale, but they’re just dumping what’s left of the stock.
@@RideYearRound Oh! My bad then. Thanks for the info. My first fat bike was the Minnesota, in 2019. Thanks for the videos. 👍🏻
the frame looks great, but thats about where it ends for me. you could get a rocky mountain blizzard for only a couple hundred bucks more and itll come with a nicer drive train, standard fat bike hub spacing and thru axles, hydro disc brakes and way lighter wheels and much better tires.. thanks for the review!
That Blizzard is a pretty smoking deal for what you get.
The Cat approved of the State bike by taking the front wheel for a spin...
I had to talk about the same points over and over because it wouldn't stop jumping up on me and trying to get on my shoulders haha.
Yeah that’s like Gravel Bike geometry, they should’ve went slacker on the head angle and steeper on the seat tube angle….
What do you think of equipping a more regular hardtail XC bike with a rigid fork and maybe 2.2 or 2.4 inch tyres?
Those are regular XC tire sizes nowadays- heck a lot guys run 2.6- 2.8”- any mtb can be ridden in snow, but you got to have at least a 3”-4” wide tire to get the bike to “float” on snow or sand- a 2.2 or 2.4 will still sink significantly more than a really wide tire…
If you're not talking about snow riding, I think rigid bikes are tons of fun. I prefer plus tires to reduce some of the trail chatter, but that set up would still be tons of fun on smooth stuff.
@@stevekelly6544 snow is not where I would be riding primarily. And I am having difficult time finding tyres wider than 2.3'' and rims to go with them in Türkiye.
@@RideYearRound snow is not the main concern for me. Just curious how it would be to have a rigid fork with not so wide tyres. And locking the fork is not exactly the same as having a lightweight rigid fork. Looking forward to having tons of fun.
I think that for what it is, its a decent bike for the price, not amazing but a great introduction to fat bikes at an approachable price.
Agreed! Excluding the very cheapest fat bikes out there that have road gearing and completely horrible brakes, I pretty much always have a good time on a fat bike.
@RideYearRound totally, I appreciate companies like state bicycle, poseidon and marin... in a time where inflation is making this sport harder and harder for average people to get into, these companies offer unbeatable prices which runs in the face of larger companies that are charging more than ever before. I'm alright with mechanical brakes, I'm alright with 1x10, I love decent parts and standards that won't age out in the next couple years like 141 qr! Good on them, these are truly bikes for the people by the people and im here for it.
Sure reminds me of a Mongoose.
Looks,spacing,heavy wheels lol 👍
No different, just the price.
I love State Bicycles but they missed the mark with the build spec. Its just way to outdated, unless they want to drop the price down to 700$. Surly Wednesdays are on sale right now for 1300$ and are miles ahead of these units. Hopefully they get it right on the next model
I've been waiting for a review on this bike until I decide if I want one or not. Like you said, there is not a lot of options for a fat bike that's "reasonably" priced. I think fat bikes get a bad rep because people want them to be something they are not. A fat bike is great in the snow (especially with studded tires) and the sand, they kinda suck at everything else, planted on the ground with a really "loose" trail is what they are. Your comment "it's not a playful bike" hits the nail right on the head... because it's not and it's not really meant to be. It's a pretty stable bike to ride in the strange conditions you may encounter and that's about it, just don't think you're going to win a Red Bull style of run with a fat bike though, because you're not and you'll be fine.
I had said bike for a couple days not bad for a budget bike I just don't like budget stuff I only bought it because I thought I would not like fat biking after returning and getting a Bigfoot two I will probably won't go back to my regular hard tail I paid 1400 shipped for a Bigfoot two after upgrading the cassette brakes and other stuff I'd like to do for this one it would've cost more than what I paid for the Bigfoot but if you're really looking for a budget bike it's not bad at all little heavy
Idk, I’d just buy a used surly at that price point
You could get a brand new Wednesday for about $200 more than this- definitely a better bike all the way around- geometry and build. For sure a much better option
Yeah I totally get that and that’s probably the route I’d personally go, but many people aren’t comfortable buying used for a host of reasons.
Surly is running a great sale right now so the Wednesday is close on price at the moment, but when the sale ends it’ll be nearly twice the price of this bike. Some people will also be stretching in the first place to even afford a $1000 bike so I think this could still be a good option.
Neat idea, but quick-release axles, boat-anchor wheels, no dropper, and unworkable cassette range make this a fail.
MASSes at 40 pounds! 😉
The rims are 100mm wide, I measured them. I have the same bike in for review which I hope to get out on this weekend.
If you haven't tried MicroShift AdventX before, it's definitely worth a try. It's the best budget drivetrain there is and it has a clutch. I run it on my Nukeproof Scout. Just make sure you get the better cassette option that has an aluminum 48t cog as opposed to all steel.
The alu cogs bend. The better one is the all steel cassette.
@@raylaux8295 Cheap aluminum cogs bend, good quality ones do not.
The bike looks like a rebranded Reid Hercules. Even the drivetrain is the same. Maybe that's why it feels outdated.