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I have posted cringe.
DELETE THIS, IT'S CRINGE!!! LOL
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Well it is called “cringe”...
As CS Lewis put it, "Humility isn't thinking less of yourself, it's thinking of yourself less."
That's weird, I think of myself as not existing. Have I gone too far?
:o
Dayum...
According to some blogpost, that's a misquote (or at least, very rough paraphrase) of a section from _Mere Christianity,_ appearing first in Rick Warren's _Purpose-Driven Life_ ?
Good aphorism regardless!
I think there's also a layer of emotional maturity in it.
I'd love to read where that quote comes from, that's a perfect description of humility.
a petition to rename dysphoria "gender cringe"
ummm? yes please
You don’t understand sweaty. She has... *glances around
gender cringe.
Yoo that just made me laugh out loud thank you so much!
@@red2theelectricboogaloo961 give this man an apostrophe
That's cute
I remember when I first came out as trans and I REFUSED to correct people who misgendered me because I didn't want to be like the GameStop lady
I still think about her, randomly, to this day. I hope she's okay, wherever she is. And you, too!
That sucks man, id imagine its nerve wracking in the most profound way. Sorry bud, hope things have smoothed out. Do you regardless.
@@n48_art thats so real. it feels somehow like annoying and disrespectful to correct someone even though they are directly disrespecting me by misgendering me.
Literally me
@@ProdKnot100% got fired for “complaints from fellow staff” because of my trans ness, while only telling one person (a gay coworker) about my pronouns when asked and literally never corrected anyone 🙃.
Gonna start being as annoying as the GameStop woman since the consequences are the same. At least it feels that way.
Rewatching this hits different now. Im sick of irony poisoning. Enjoy things. Live your life. I am cringe. You are cringe. Live long and screw the rules.
fuck yeah
KILL
CRINGE
CULTURE
i love and agree with this comment so hard but also i LOVE YOUR PROFILE PICTURE SO MUCH
In the words of Mother's Basement, "Embrace the cringe that makes you happy, reject the cringe that makes you miserable."
Agreed
as a straight male, it feels good to have someone call me gorge once in a while.
Indeed, I feel the very same thing
... yeah
Simp
@@highmarshalhelbrecht4715 whatever, gorge.🙄
Hey hello hi I can confirm you are all Gorge
Not naming catgirl nat Nyatalie was a real missed opportunity.
Ranald Adams what have you done
@@kmickCSX wook upon my works ye mighty and despaiw owo
UwU
Maybe that's her middle name
@@teona4279 Natalie Nyatalie Wynn, Yt.D.
The way feminists were portrayed as cringy was the main reason I considered myself a republican in middle school. I would make jokes about dumb liberals with friends while not realizing that I shared all my beliefs with the liberals and not my friends. It was a weird time.
Omg literally my exact experience, except my republican shit lasted until near the end of high school for me. It's like I just had a script I was reading off whenever someone brought up feminism or systemic racism or anything like that. And I can't help but look back and realize that not only do I not currently believe a word of what I said back them, but I never really did in the first place.
this comment reminded me of how i was seemingly surrounded by vocal pro-trumpers during the 2016 election and was agreeable just to avoid backlash. and you know the catch? it was happening *literally* thousands of kilometers away from the closest US border. at school, in the media, at home. in one word -- cringe.
same, i always thought sjws and feminists were dumb and unreasonably (and, well, cringey) and therefore didn't want to be associated with them. Not US so not republican, but in retrospect, i just never realised what these people actually believed, and i was never actually on their side, nor were they on mine.
i was self aware enough to recognise i wasnt a right winger, baby progressive with some bigoted views, but it was like "im one of the good feminist im not like Big Rewd or the misandrists"
but as soon as i moved away from the ancap and nazbol circus sideshow demon spawn id been surrounded by, i flung myself far to the left, and departed liberalism for good.
This is a similar pipeline to my teenage years. It's a stupid effective right/alt right recruiting tactic (intentional or not). You see all the ridiculous people saying really insane shit, and this entire community that paints them like "Oh yeah, that's what they're all like". And being young and not having a lot of worldview, why wouldn't you believe them? They have so many examples after all.
If you believed a lot of these people, the world is being taken over by sjw femi-whatevers and only the small sane conservative minority still has any sanity left. So, if you think that female supremacy and male inferiority is bad and not equality, then stand up against feminism!!!!!
i know it been years since this video was posted but i just have to say: kesha lyrics rewritten in iambic pentameter is absolutely iconic and the fact that she’s even trying to pass it off as cringe is disrespectful to those of us who have actually posted cringe. apology video rn
I'm reading Macbeth for school, nearly wanted to write about it's structure when it came to things like iambic pentameter, but ended up doing a different topic because I cannot, for the life of me, differentiate between stressed and unstressed syllables. Almost want to comment "I would love to see those Kesha lyrics" because maybe that could help me, and it'd be cool to see how such restrictions effect the lyrics, like, it could be similar to translating poems to other languages but to a lesser extent.
So many people fail to understand how hard writing iambic pentameter is. I remember when I was trying to master this back when*cringe* I was trying to be a poet. I basicly memorized pucks outro from a midsummer nights eve, trying to add to it, because of how well it flowed. It became so bad that I found myself talking in it after so long, and still couldn't write it without screwing it up. Gah.
When I was in grad school for Italian, I tried my hand at translating Morissey lyrics into Petrarcan sonnets, or squeeze lines like "Two lovers entwined pass me by, and heaven knows I'm miserable now," into Dante references.
I have an identical twin, so when I hear my recorded voice, I don't cringe at all. I just hear my brother saying what I said.
I posted this after only watching about half the video. In-between watching that half and the second half, I watched something like 12 of her other videos first...
Natalie, I love your videos! And you look good. F*ck the haters.
That's so interesting! I'd ask if you feel the same seeing videos but i imagine you don't look totally identical, since you probably have different styles. When I hear myself I seem to either cringe or ... what's the opposite? Idk. It seems to be hit or miss, more related to whether I'm being annoying in the recording lol. Interrupting, whining etc. All I discovered while filming and recording myself recently is that I blink a lot and for some reason I do a happy, semi baby voice when talking to my partner lmao
That’s a cool interesting new thought never had before, how identical twins actually Could be having the same voice patterns as well with all else they share like finger prints that are exactly the same.
I guess I assumed the differences of personality that would occur over time from different experiences and life paths taken would alter speech patterns even if share same physical vocal cords.. aka environmental and brain chemistry / personality would make twins voice different..
Now I am curious if someone has studied this before .. let’s look up and see if they got some stats to toss at us to make us feel like we are smarter now we learnt something , that in reality is useless data we will also forget minutes later after learning it all ^^d
crosswired mediator We do have different personalities and life experiences. Also different fingerprints. We checked.
Lol lau don’t feel bad we all sound like we have personality disorders When talking based on who ever at the time cross our path We are talking with ..and or the environment/ activities that are going on when your speaking with others, which will also change your emotional frequency and voice patterns as well ..
it’ s practically the same as why your teacher sounds different when having to repeat same class lectures 5 times a day when addressing a class , compared to how your teacher sounds when addressing that student crush in their office in privacy.
"Let's make this about me"
cuts to a dancing clown.
Happy Mother's day, mommy
I've never understood why "self love" is taken to mean "hype yourself up". When we love another person, it isn't typically because we think they're the most beautiful or intelligent person in the world. We care about them, we value their happiness, and we hold space for their flaws. Why can't we learn to do the same for ourselves?
This is because only we ourselves are "blursed" of being capable of being in a position to know what is really going on in our minds, while at the same time we need to deal with our anxieties. It's much easier to empathize with other people because, whether we like it or not, that's the closest we can get to feeling what the other person is feeling, and not being able to experience other person's feelings on a 1:1 scale ends up being a kind of "safety net". It's much easier to forgive and help someone else because basically "we're not in their head."
However, it is much more difficult to be empathetic with ourselves because we are in this first-person position, where we have to deal with our inner demons 24/7, in addition to our fierce desire to aim for something better for our lives, which in turn time ends up falling into the pit of self-comparison.
Because of this, the main reason people hype themselves as a form of self-love is precisely to try to speak in a louder tone than our anxieties and frustrations.
Unconditional love doesn't require that you're beautiful or smart or talented. In fact it's the only kind that can let you see someone clearly. That's what I want for myself. I've heard humility described as "seeing yourself clearly" but I can only do that if I don't recoil in shame when I see failures or wrongdoing in myself.
My kind of self love is based on the question, “If I was someone else, would I want to be friends with myself?” And currently the answer is yes.
Watch her recent video about Love. It gives much more nuance to what we mean when we say "love," and a fair amount isn't egoless.
@@MsPBJTime I have watched it and I really don't see how it's relevant to the kind of self love I'm talking about.
A wise tumblr user once said "Cringe culture is dead and I'm turning in its corpse for the reward money," and I live by that.
iconic
ooh, that's a good one.
@@fandomcringebucketthats goes insanely hard
the youtube notification shows up as “Contrapoints just uploaded: Cringe”
Weird... that’s normally what it looks like when Blaire White uploads
@@janaeelia221 *Vanessa
Check out Louise mazanti (psychologist), her take on masculinity, femininity and Jung's theory of animus and anima possession. ruclips.net/video/ZyggRvJUOxQ/видео.html
She gon lose subscriber
@@Syfoll why does it matter? is there any specific reason to call her Vanessa instead of Blaire? I noticed that Natalie in the video calls her Vanessa every time too
(I genially don't know)
nothing is cringier than seeing a 25 year old make an "epic cringe kid compilation getting rekt top kek" when in reality its just a video harassing an actual harmless 10 year old that's most likely neurodivergent
then it turns out the "twenty five year old" is actually an unaccomplished 42 year old dud who lives in his dad's garden shed amongst the debris of a thousand disassembled computers
@@morganqorishchi8181
I hope he got banned or at the very least kicked from the server. I kinda want to join an Animal Crossing server now though, never thought about there being AC Discord servers before.
as an autistic/adhd person, nothing makes me _seethe_ like cringe compilations featuring people who have a lot of interest in one piece of media or another. it’s insidious enough if it’s a neurodivergent kid who has a hyperfixation or special interest, but jesus, since when was unambiguously enjoying something “cringe”?
YEAH
What timestamp was this at?
Honestly, the Chris chan situation is beyond disgusting. That’s not, like, obsessive cringe culture at play, it’s just a sadistic cult. It’s beyond insane.
It reminds me of Amberlynn Reid and Haydur Nation
Why has she not, or no one encourage her to seek legal action? That’s slander, to say the least! Manipulating for medical records is also illegal, and with those methods; for more than one reason
They should just play Celeste instead
When I first heard about Chris Chan and the baiting. I knew then and there, the people who were "lol cringe XD" were not the most moral bunch of begin with. I felt like I was seeing the scummiest motherfuckers in real time destroy a person's life
@@It-b-Blair well im pretty sure she’s been arrested at the moment
"Mascotization" is also known as weak man argument (a play on 'straw man') or nut-picking (a play on 'cherry-picking'). Showing the weakest or the nuttiest people in a group in order to represent the entire group.
Its a bit of both at the same time imao
“Pride is not the opposite of shame, but it's source. True humility is the only antidote to shame.”
- Uncle Iroh
Thesis, Antithesis, Synthesis
When a kid's show is more sound ethically speaking than a majority of the population you know everything's fucked. Then again kids aren't born assholes, or biggoted, or racist, their parents and enviroment turn them into that.
@@kbolternorris2676 Id argue that the vast majority of childrens shows contain a level of wisdom and morality that well exceeds the general popluace. The writters of these shows are often wickedly smart, and have things they want to say.
Uncle Iroh taught me to be a decent person
Holy shit I finally understand what he ment by this
I remember seeing a comment on “Transtrenders” that said something like “you’ve made abundantly clear how much basic human decency depends on dealing with one’s own shame”, and I feel like that may have been an inspiration for this
omg she liked my comment. Step on my face mommy
Quote of the year award to you; I'm turning this into an embarrassing inspirational wallpaper asap.
@@dammitjames the original comment has deadass been my lockscreen wallpaper for a few months
@@umangmalik lol i wasnt even joking but i feel better about the decision knowing i'm not alone in it.
Oh hey you again! The bisexual socialist rose!
"no, you can't be an anime girl Lily" was a very strong callout as a transgirl called Lily (well Lilith but, y'know) who heavily relied upon the whole "uwu nya" subculture thing until like, 3 seconds ago
You're valid Lily
i love you lily
As an SE Asian woman, I kinda feel the same way you do about trans lesbian cat girls when it comes to other (S)E Asian women putting on an uwu cutesy persona. I know it’s not their fault, but it feels like they’re playing into stereotypes about us, and like you said, a “kind of visual baby talk.”
But at the end of the day, I know it’s not the fault of those Asian women but of the non-Asians who dehumanize and fetishize us, and Asian women can express themselves however they like, and it’s on me to get over my in-group cringe.
The real cringe was the friends we made along the way.
This is me after realicing that my friends were fascists.
@@educprof2160 lol
Isn't that just tumblr?
Don’t remind me
The real cringe was t̶h̶e̶ ̶f̶r̶i̶e̶n̶d̶s we m̶a̶d̶e̶ ̶a̶l̶o̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶w̶a̶y̶
“Doth not a lolcow bleed?” is the most perfect mix of meme culture and high culture that I can imagine
Shakespeare's as middlebrow as you can get
Merchant of Venice right?
you can tell it's high culture because she said "doth"
😢
Mario And Wes New graduate thesis: a literary comparison of lolcows and Elizabethan representations of Judaism
Blaire White's morbid obsession wiwth Yaniv reminds me of when people say "It's okay to call them ugly, because they're ugly on the inside!" No, because you're still attacking their appearance which is wrong regardless of who you're doing it to. Attacking someone for not passing is wrong no matter who you're doing it to. The problem with Yaniv has nothing to do with how little she passes.
exactly. it makes it feel like they would think she's somehow not as bad if she was a supermodel, and that is deeply uncomfortable. making fun of predators who aren't conventionally attractive for not being conventionally attractive just obscures the fact that there are just as many, if not more predators who ARE. who people cover for because they're not socially acceptable to ostracize.
i even recognize some of that bias in myself- i am typically more wary of unattractive men than attractive men on an instinctual level, not because they're actually more dangerous, but because everybody fixates on them when someone does something wrong. and attractive men are typically the only ones positively represented in popular culture. it's something i need to do the work to unlearn.
Yeah, like, even if she passed she would be still a predator
Agreed. Going after a shitty person for their appearance is really reaching for low hanging fruit.
every so often i'm shocked at how deeply engrained the association of beauty and morality is in our culture
And then there's people who say it's okay to misgender her (and other trans people of similar repute) because "she doesn't deserve to have her pronouns respected." to which I'm copying a reply I left elsewhere: "I worry that saying it's okay to misgender criminals and individuals like Yaniv will open the floodgates to misgendering any trans person who makes even the smallest 'breaches of wokeness.' Is Yaniv trash? Absolutely. Is it a good political strategy to misgender her? Not if you want to be an ally to the trans community as a whole.
As an autistic person this makes me so angry. Maybe it’s because I’m autistic so I notice it more, but I feel like I see this mockery of autism everywhere- all this ableism that people don’t even realize- and it’s just so upsetting. Being looked downed upon and made fun of and laughed at because of being autistic is really heartbreaking. It doesn’t surprise me that people find autistic people “cringe” or “funny to make fun of” even though that is so messed up and I disagree.
Show me where autistic people were mentioned ?
Don't be so autistic
@@GAsh0012 go fuck yourself. It doesn’t work like that, I cannot control the fact that I’m autistic. Also it’s impossible to be less autistic or more autistic. If your autistic, your autistic. If your not, your not. Your an ableist Idiot.
Honestly. Im autistic, or maybe aspergers. And I still made fun of autism and aspergers as a teen. Whether by just using them as funny insults (artist, sperg etc) or by making fun of other people.
@@andrek6920 That’s still really messed up and I hope you realize that. Just because your autistic yourself doesn’t mean it’s okay to say that kind of ableist shit. Also, Asperger’s is autism. Asperger’s is just a way to say “high functioning” which is a pretty ableist term. Your autistic or your not. Kind of odd you felt the need to comment this sense my main comment was about me getting bullied for my autism. If you think that’s ok, it doesn’t matter if you think your autistic or not, that’s still messed up.
"Social reject battle royale." Pack your bags everyone, it's over. She just described the entire internet in one sentence.
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@@squidcultist0022 and the best reply of the year award goes to...
I'm gonna quote this everyday
*Thunderous applause *
Epic
me: *cant watch 55 minute uni lecture im literally paying to watch* also me: *watches 1.5hr thesis on internet psychoanalysis*
Same
But those profs are just bad at making online lectures
Yeah. Its better. Simple as that.
I know right? XD Like I have an attention span of less than a goldfish but can watch her videos for days. XD
It's because of the a e s t h e t i c
@@BritneyLaZonga Small box? :-)
This is where I agree with older people about modern technology; when they were young, before the Internet, they could mess up and the only people who knew about it were people who were present, or heard about it, so if you did something embarrassing in high school, you could forget about it when you moved away to college. Now it's constant self monitoring, being terrified you'll end up as "the person who did x" for the rest of your online life. You can't grow, because trolls won't let you move on. This is such a wonderful video, I loved your comments on Chris chan
Media ethics class in college covered this exact thing: the internet has destroyed the ability to forget, and thus the ability to forgive. A decentralized, perpetually-archiving panopticon with no singular will, but a constant random one-in-a-million chance that its eyes turn on you and hold you to a social identity you discarded and outgrew a decade ago. The only way to gain its vague approval is to show constant self-loathing until the end of time as some form of repentance. An endless resignation to a faceless nothingness to which you truthfully owe nothing.
When you called out Kalvin i felt that divide between adult understanding and teenage understanding of the world. Us adults in the lgbt understand that the hate we experience has nothing to do with “bad examples” and more to do with our mere existence. I feel part of the cringe of “they’re making us all look bad IM not like that” is also that youthful hope kids have that maybe if they’re good enough the world won’t hate them. There’s also this narrative surrounding the alt right pipeline that insists that bigotry and hate simply does not exists anymore, and that’s why the cringe compilations worked so well for kids because the narrative was also “what are you whining about that stuff doesn’t happen.”
That’s also why a lot of them (myself included) grew up and got de-radicalized by you and others because they finally went into the real world and saw this hate in real time everyday. They know it’s wrong, but they were meant to believe it just didn’t happen anymore.
When he grows older, he will realize he could be the most misogynistic, transphobic, straight, tough guy there is but he will not be accepted by everyone. This is something everyone has to realize, even hetero cis people, but some have more trouble accepting it than others. Especially those who, like you’ve mentioned, feel a little taste a normal for once, and want to inflict what they’ve experienced onto others.
(Side note the in group cringe is too real. When I came out I felt a compulsive need to make sure EVERYBODY knew that yes I’m a lesbian but not “that” kind. I.e. the blue haired, hairy armpit, thick framed glasses kind)
*super* prescient!
I also think there's a major theme whereby lgb & esp t ppl tend to be traumatized during adolescence. Trauma can freeze one's normal cognitive/emotional development at the state one is in when the trauma occurs. Which is why I think so much of the lgb & again esp t community are so aggressive abt bullying each other for inconsequential shit, whether on the left, right, or anywhere else. It's teenager behavior. & It's nothing new, just amplified by social media.
-- Michael-Giuliana
(they/them)
Well said
@@spuriusbrocoli4701 the problem isn't people being cringe. That can only be so effective, because it will build empathy on its own. It is the awkward otherness, combined with hate and arrogance, that is what are used as effective tools of radicalization. When confronted with these , people respond with hate. It's why it is so important to call it out when you see it. Awkward otherness can be sympathized with. But hate really cant, not easily. That is how they dehumanize it. The same reason that showing someone to be fascist and racist helps radicalize us. They profit from driving people to seem unreasonable, arrogant, and hateful. Why else would they bait themselves at every protest. It's a win win for them. It's also how MLk started winning. He presented himself as reasonable, approachable, and empathetic. Nothing could change his otherness, but people lost patience for his detractors when he gave them nothing but his otherness to latch onto. There is no fascist that can bring a good counter to empathy and reason. It defies their hate, and more importantly, shows them for what they are. You ever notice how it is never being other they really attack? It is always combined in a way to show that the other hates you and they are just defending.
@@CaptainKie1 i feel like to some degree it's normal when growing up, most kids go through phases distancing themseleves from the perceived less cool and less acceptable people, and if you're a trans person like him, that's just where it falls. My problem is that due to the political climate, this is somehow seen as some serious political statement, when really it's more adjacent to scoffing at your younger siblings for playing with dolls or young adults looking back at their scene kid years.
cause yeah, the sparklegenders can be really cringey, as can the uwu anime trans girls, and you're allowed to think that, but ultimately it shouldn't be treated as a political opinion, which it is because conservatives like it.
As a gay man, I see this all too often when the "low-key" gay guys see a very camp/feminine gay man and they all reflexively have to sound the "Gross, he's not one of us! I don't understand!" alarm. I had one acquaintance in particular who appeared to be literally revolted by the sight, and he grew up in a very fundamental traditionalist household.
I've always seen it for what it is. A group of deviants finding someone who is more deviant and loudly proclaiming "At least we're not that!"
It just makes me sad. None of them seem to actually be aware that they're trying to build themselves up by tearing another down. That it doesn't matter how many others they throw under the bus; the "normal" people still won't love you.
Yes! On this note: I remember as a young (very unsure and lost) gay man cringing at other more „feminine“ camp gays. I literally felt an enormous embarrassment and uncomfortableness. Now (thanks to Natalie!) I realise that it was a kind of toxic in-group cringe. In reality I felt embarrassed about myself, constantly controlling if I still “pass” as real “masculine” man being gay, therefore judging others. Thank God, it didn’t (d)evolve into contempt and a morbid cringe or obsession. On the contrary I realised some day that I subjected other gay men to the same heteronormative standards and discrimination I myself suffered under so hugely and stopped judging other people (and me!). Now ten years later, I feel entirely comfortable with myself and all parts of me (masculine or feminine), and thus feel entirely comfortable with every kind of gayness and masculinity out there.
@@elmarricochetto4913 I went through something very similar.
I'm fascinated by these white middle class gays that really desire to fit back into that society. I myself have spent my whole adult life trying to escape that boring, pretentious fake world. I can see that it provides a certain degree of security but that's not worth it to me at least.
It's also important that all the progress on gay rights has come from trans people/femme gays/butch lesbians and other types of non-conforming people openly challenging the systems and forcing people to take notice. Almost like you can't win acceptance from just conforming to society. Funny that.
@@thecrazygainerguy yup. And the kind of acceptance that is conditioned on"being normal" is so fragile. It is something that people will take away from you when it becomes expedient. Who in their right mind wants to make that the only way you can be accepted?
I used to be this way but I think there were two different and intertwined reasons that caused this feeling:
1 - The most important one is that I grew up in Morocco which is a very conservative country where homosexuality is actually illegal and where people were mainly ridiculing it for being "feminine". I was never really fem at all although I didn't perfectly match the masculine archetype either so when I actually discovered I was gay, I was scared of being perceived as these people who get ridiculed and I wanted to be on the side of those who laugh.
2- As a gay man that comes from a hostile communitty, I never identified with what they call "the gay scene" (stereotypes like drag queens, using grindr etc. which are completely fine btw but they're just not my thing) so this came on top of my internalized homophobia and made me feel very disconected with other gay people to the point that I would actually imagine "wrong" things about them that weren't there.
This thing of imagining "wrong" things made me very judgemental on people I was envisaging to date (including my now boyfriend) and made me feel like I didn't "fit" anywhere as a gay guy (+ I'm mixed so that didn't help lol). This experience made me want to create a more friendly space for these individuals who don't really identify with the comunitty in my uni's GSA so that they would see that everything is chill.
conclusion: *hbomberguy ACTUALLY saved the west* using the power of cringe
hbomberguy destroys an incel with good takes and observational humor
His fallout 3 video caused contra‘s darkness video to play and now I‘m an intersectional anarcho- communist feminist. Somebody please send the means of production.
OMFG SO RIGHT
@@michimatsch5862 I too have been radicalized by video games. We must seize the means of production from Bethesda Software in order to make a better Fallout sequel.
He also defended Dark Souls 2, the equivalent of which is destroying the whole planet!
(/s I also love Dark Souls 2 lol)
The part where Rose of Dawn dumps her entire psyche out while a universe-sized Jessica Yaniv slowly engulfs the screen is the funniest thing I've ever seen.
Everything wrong with this video:
-She does not understand the difference between calling someone who does not deserves it(transgenders, queer folk, discapacitated people, etc) and people who deserve it(furries, otakus, incels, trolls, otherkin).
-She made an entire one hour video of a very simple subject
-She sounds like an obsessive, morally hypocritical liberal, progressive SJW.
-She forgets that r/cringetopia also called out horrible people like zoophiles and pedophiles and made fun of trolls. Cringetopia is one of the only few good subreddits out there.
-She is basically the "stop the hate" snowflake.
-She takes the topic too seriously.
-The "straight people offended" joke makes no sense. What was she saying with this? What was the point of this?
-Furries do deserve to be called crinfe as many are toxic and perverted. Not to mention many are zoophiles and SJWs.
-She claims that if you use the word cringe your a "fascist" and that your supposedely support "child groomers".
Just pointing out my problems i have with this video.
i am a goth, i love to poke fun of ‘tiktok alts’ who ‘pretend to be goth so often. i realise i do this, because i feel like a poser myself, because i want to seem separated from them, and still want to not seem like a weird goth stereotype to everyone else
"Social reject battle royale" is probably the single best description of the Internet I've ever heard
same!
I mean I would be apart of it but fair
Yeah. No one with an actually cool life spends enough time in the internet to join that kind of crap.
We all degenerates.
holy shit so true
yep
I love to think that Natalie doesnt have sets but instead adds extra rooms to her increasingly labyrinthine house every vid
a winchester house situation, if you will. wonder if there’s any ghosts
@@thestarsturn ghosts of abondoned chatacters perhaps?
i like to imagine that she’s lying about living in baltimore, but instead appropriated an abandoned mansion in the countryside of virginia and makes all the sets for her videos with supplies stolen from the local craft store.
She lives in a Lovecraftian house which presents to her the rooms she will have to use for the next video
What some might consider to be a "Rose Red" scenario. Hopefully with less death and misunderstandings of what autism is.
You see, this is why I super appreciate folks on RUclips who explained this stuff. I am autistic, and I also experience rejection sensitive dysphoria. This means that when I perceive that someone is rejecting me for whatever reason, the mental discomfort associated with that cringe, with that embarrassment, rises to the level of traumatic. I know it sounds absolutely ridiculous, but if you know anyone who is a perfectionist who cannot stand to be perceived as wrong? You may know someone who experiences RSD.
Because of this, I have always avoided cringe content. When I realize something is for the purpose of making fun of someone, I immediately back out. I could not stand American idol, because it made a show of people who believed in themselves and turned out to not be very good. Very possibly because I was bullied as a kid for often being socially out of line without realizing it, I empathize so freaking hard with the person on stage who really did think they had this and had already daydreamed about the stage that I just can't watch. I immediately back out
because of this I am often behind on this or that cultural phenomenon that is centered around pointing and laughing at this or that cringy figure, I don't want to know. I don't want to see human beings ripping into each other for perceived inadequacy, because when I feel inadequate I want to die. I will empathize with it, it will hurt, and it will hurt for years if it's potent enough.
So videos like this help me understand what I've missed, letting me view things from a few steps back and with an understanding voice that reassures me that these people aren't bad. By extension, I am not bad, and I did not deserve to be punished.
❤❤❤
Dude, that's literally exactly how I feel, I can't stand cringe content and everything u were saying about RSD lines up with my own experiences uncannily. Im actually starting to wonder if I should look into it.
Yes!!! Only person in my family and most social circles who doesn’t like those reality talent shows!! ND and RSD!! 🙌🏻💖💖
I could've written this comment. You're not alone 😬
I relate to this so hard. This is why the only reality TV i will ever watch is Great British Baking Show, because everyone is so kind and supportive to one another!
Do not kill the cringe within you. Kill the part that cringes.
well, no, otherwise youll become narcissistic like vaush. Just tone it down instead
I have indeed found that telling people who use the word 'gay' as a synonym for 'stupid that it's problematic has zero effect on them. However saying that it makes them sound like a thirteen year old boy who just discovered call of duty and yo mama jokes has been incredibly effective in getting them to stop doing it.
Ur spilling the truth, sis.
I might try this out next time.
Like, this is a pretty nifty life hack!
Oh wow I'm absolutely gonna use this one. I interact with this friend circle tangential to mine a lot and they're quite unabashed in calling each other "faggots" or "retarded," etc. (Oh the things a gaymer puts up with) God I'm so excited, it's gonna feel so good to say "wow that's pretty cringe bro"
Ok so how do I get middle schoolers who do all those things to stop saying it?
@@jennamomenna5750 it'll still work and it will hit hard, tho maybe not right away
Finally, a topic that I'm an expert in.
lmao
Love ya toga!!
anime, my friend, i can see why.
Finally, the topic that I'm.
Being the “cringy” kid in my year in high school , I pretty much have a masters degree.
56:32 - Natalie going from this to having a girlfriend who's a cis lesbian who she freely mentions in her videos now, that's growth 😢❤️
As an autistic trans teen, cringe culture is to blame for me being an empty shell of a person with no self worth or confidence because I cringe at my own joy… after all me being alive is apparently too “chronically online” 💅💅💅
As long as you're not doing anything to harm others, please enjoy your joy. I am on your side and rooting for you and your joy. Please enjoy life and try to ignore the other people. People who bully others for their joy are total losers and you deserve happiness.
@@unemployedphilosopher5072 thanks ❤️
My friend, I was in your situation for a long, long time (but I was still an egg) and I want to tell you some things I wish someone had told me: right now you are a fish in a small pond. School, and especially your cohort seems like the only social group you can play to. But when you go to college (and I would highly recommend you do, even if it's just community college; if you can afford it, a liberal arts college is a great place for people like us) you will be able to bloom as a person. The social situation there is less closed, and you can cultivate a friend group you really jive with. When I was in college, I was able to finally be as cringe as I wanted because the people who mattered to me were being cringe right alongside me.
@@femboy_fatale69420 Keep your head up! You're awesome. ❤ I love your Wei Wuxian pfp!
The only actually cringe thing is people imposing their cringe on others
I love Contrapoints, but I really worry any money she is making from this channel is going to her obvious unhealthy addiction to intricate set dressing.
But it's so good!!!
that's an addiction i'm willing to enable
Yes, she. Don’t you watch the episodes
@erik masterchef go away
oop I found the terf
“And then I closed the door and killed myself”. Don’t we all know THAT feeling.
Or at that moment you want to disappear. And hide to another place.
That was literally hilariouss
I laughed out loud when she said that
@RoyceMikhail Yep, “I wanted to crawl into a hole and die” or “the ground to swallow me whole” are other common ways of referring to it. Such a universal human experience!
lol or when you say "byyeee have a nice weekend", they leave quietly with a look of awkwardness. You turn around smiling. You stop with a sudden reaction. Realize it's fucking monday....... And now you look like a jack hole lol. CRINGE!
As of this point ContraPoints has more subscribers than Vanessa 💅🏽
By like half a million lol. Good for her ☕
Why are people calling blair “Vanessa”?
@@fitnessen2860 Contra once jokingly referred to her as 'Vanessa le Blanc' in a video and it stuck
Im watching this at the gym and someone looked over during the cat-girl part and cringed and made me cringe. The cringe cycle continues
hshsh keep at it my guy
"Can I just hire a hitman to kill everyone who remembers me" is my constant mood. I'm too socially awkward for my own good.
Totally. I live in the constant fear that sometimes, the people I used to know from school suddenly have a flashback to me being a cringy dick. I know they likely don't, because I don't have the same sudden intrusive memories of them but still. It's enough to keep me up at night.
UltraViolence
You’re wrong. We remember EVERYTHING!!!!
I do miss "socially awkward". It's somehow less vitriolic than "cringy".
Contra: "Hello again, the gays!"
Me: Wait, should I be here?
Contra: "Straight people are welcome too, as long as you're emotionally damaged!"
Me: Oh good, I can stay!
Big same
Respect the straight dudes who are fine with us too
yep
But what about the aces? Can they come?
@@merrittanimation7721 I think that she was using gay in the pan-LGBTQIA+ sense, so yes.
I flashbacked to my old channel where I just made animations.
I eventually deleted that channel due to harassment.
Cringe Culture against kids is so hurtful to their development. Causing them to wanting to age faster than they should.
I constantly live by the rule of “If they aren’t hurting anyone, it doesn’t matter.”
I know this is unrelated but I just wanted to comment on how I love your profile picture. Did you make it or did someone else made it?
@@kittykittybangbang9367 oh I made it!
Honestly I felt that even when nobody ever made fun of me. It felt like the lack of external bullying just meant I needed to bully myself instead, and it ended up with almost the same amount of anxiety I hear other people describe from experiences of constant bullying.
@@quantumblur_3145 Yes! Exactly!
@@quantumblur_3145 omg that is so real
Davis Aurini walked so Andrew Tate could run
Yeah, basically...
Its literally just him but as a strong guy instead of "intellectual" guy
"We've been on a journey to find the cringiest people on the internet...but the real cringe was ourselves all along."
Maybe the real treasure was the cringe we made along the way
It was inside us all along. Literally.
Everyone's talking about her catgirl look but like no one's mentioning her circus one like that's a vibe
As someone who's always been obsessed with the dark carnival aesthetic, I just wanna say AMEN
This is my first video from this youtuber... the ring master makeup actually made me take a double take and say wow. I was really impressed
@@Cynddelw it's so fucking well made, especially the eyes, god I wish lenses like that were more prevalent now, how cool would that be
@@____-pb1lg I know they keep hypnotizing me all through the video! Love it!
She totally looks like an anime villain
2:03 definition
3:45 definition awkward
5:45 vicarious embarrassment = empathy
6:00 cringe when lack of awareness of embarrassment
6:50 cringe at vs cringe with
25:15 fedora-tipper, "a man who poses as a galant crusader of past masculinity"
26:37 Florence Foster Jenkins, the worst opera singer
28:22 "The joy of pain: schadenfreude and the dark side of human nature" Richard Smith - compare our worth to others
31:33 Christine Weston Chandler maybe the longest trolled person (trans + autistic)
38:02 morbid cringe
44:21 "cringe is failed seriousness"
46:12 the A log theory of morbid cringing
47:00 in group cringe
1:15:20 coping mechanism for being stigmatized
1:18:50 solution to cringe : self-indifference ?
People like you have a spot reserved in heaven.
ily for this
as an autistic person. Thank you. We are never taken seriously, and we are treated like we aren't humans. Thank you for shining a light on this. Cringe culture is fundamentally ableist.
Fr. I've been cringe all my life as and autistic person and its horribly isolating to realize Im not accepted for what I like or who I am.
Mfw society refuses to accommodate for me at all and all of a sudden I am the weird one??
when she said, “no you can’t become an anime girl, Lilly, fuck your dreams” i felt very personally attacked
You go, Lilly. Be an anime girl if you want
...and now I'm thinking of Lily from "Zombieland Saga". Poor Lily.
same.
i've slowly been watching through her stuff and she always uses "lily" as a stand-in for cringe trans girls and as a trans girl named lily who is a little bit furry.... i felt incredibly personally attacked
@@hurristat I think she got the inspiration from Lili Elbe herself
do you guys remember the whole rebecca black's friday situation? there are interviews today where she talks about how bullied she was, like fr she got death threats and everything, and all of that because... it was a cringey song?
Totally. I remember cringing at that, Justin Bieber, 1D, and Twilight. In-group cringe at young teenage girls-oh, the contempt I felt for the "other girls" who dared to openly be "team Edward" or "team Jacob". Lindsay Ellis' video "Dear Stephanie Meyers" was eye-opening for me, and is worth a watch if you haven't already.
I totally felt like there were so many opportunities to mention Rebecca Black because good God she was bullied horribly
@@xXbadbadgerXx Honest to god, i really, really, really don't get cringe culture. If i don't like what is presented to me.... then i just don't watch it?
She was so rich and pampered that her parents bought her a nusic video..... but DEATH TREATS??
OMG! That is disgusting!! The poor girl...
That is genuinely sad. Did I watch the video in college and cringe? Sure. I even probably laughed at an email with a subject line that referenced it. But why would I ever want a teen girl dead because she made a music video of herself singing a dumb song badly?
I so desperately want to know what Natalie does with all the stuff from her sets. Like did Goodwill get a donation of like 5 anime dolls, 17 pikachus, and 50 MLP stuffed animals the day after she published this video?
Everything wrong with this video:
-She does not understand the difference between calling someone who does not deserves it(transgenders, queer folk, discapacitated people, etc) and people who deserve it(furries, otakus, incels, trolls, otherkin).
-She made an entire one hour video of a very simple subject
-She sounds like an obsessive, morally hypocritical liberal, progressive SJW.
-She forgets that r/cringetopia also called out horrible people like zoophiles and pedophiles and made fun of trolls. Cringetopia is one of the only few good subreddits out there.
-She is basically the "stop the hate" snowflake.
-She takes the topic too seriously.
-The "straight people offended" joke makes no sense. What was she saying with this? What was the point of this?
-Furries do deserve to be called crinfe as many are toxic and perverted. Not to mention many are zoophiles and SJWs.
-She claims that if you use the word cringe your a "fascist" and that your supposedely support "child groomers".
Just pointing out my problems i have with this video.
@@Thunderblock7889 If it's such a simple subject, why did you have to take notes? Lmao
I wonder the same thing! I assume she records most of her videos on rented sets and that they sometimes have props she can utilize?
I have so many set questions. In the cat girl segment: are all those stuffies/figures yours? Did you buy them for the video? Did you borrow them from friends? Did you do a casting call for All the Pikachus? This keeps me up at night
My money’s on them all being borrowed from Jenny Nicholson.
@@julesr8171 **midnight**
**jenny's phone rings**
Jenny: "hello?"
Natalie: "Hey Jenny, it's Contra. Can I borrow your plushie collection?"
"When education is not liberating, the dream of the oppressed is to become the oppressor" - Paulo Freire
Carol Lima one of my favourite quotes ❤️
That’s a deep conclusion right there
Shit, that hits different.
my fellow Brazilians spitting fire
EU PENSEI A MESMA COISA!!!!
Re: Jessica Yaniv. I work in transgender social services in BC, Canada, and I just want to set the record straight that she did NOT host a topless pool party for children, nor did she invent "All Bodies Swims". What she did was try to maliciously infiltrate and/or sabotage an LGBT youth group event, and many others which weren't as meticulously documented. She is, to put it lightly, an extreme thorn in the sides of anyone trying to do anything wholesome around here, and someone who is HIGHLY monitored by local event organizers (omg, if only people who claim "trans activists" don't care about Jessica Yaniv knew the truth...)
Some history: the "All Bodies Swim" events in Vancouver started around 2010 as after-hours swims at a public pool so trans people, fat people, disabled people (etc) to come swim in a bathing suit and chill together. These events became fairly popular, and led to policy changes in Vancouver around trans-acceptance (the Parks & Rec board ended up integrating "trans swims" into their regular programming). Other communities in Canada (mostly smaller towns around BC) started hosting All Bodies Swims around Pride hoping for similar policy changes. At these after-hours events at pools, it's not uncommon for a couple adult transgender men or non-binary people to swim topless. (This is generally legal in BC.)
Years later, after All Bodies Swims became mainstream in Vancouver area, a youth group in Langley wanted to do a LGBT youth pool party, and as a youth-led initiative they decided "no parents allowed!!!". It was branded All Bodies Swim, the generic code at this point for gay pool party. Jessica Yaniv, someone I believe to be a legit predator and also a confounding saboteur, starts claiming on the internet that she is organizing this youth pool party and talking about tampons and toplessness and all this stuff: she effectively got the event shut down by siccing internet trolls on teenagers who just wanted to swim. This is not the last time she has done this - she seems to search the internet for LGBT youth buzzwords like All Bodies Swim and SOGI (what the BC school system calls education about sexual orientation and gender identity) and claims online to be "in charge" of them (even if they are in different provinces), linking to their event pages, sending thousands of trolls to harass unwitting victims like small-town rec centre receptionists or, more recently, Zoom meetings of high schoool GSAs who can't meet right now... it's a mess and a constant battle, and branding like "All Bodies Swim" has had to be abandoned.
She's also been invited to talk at alt-right rallies in Vancouver, and I find it hard to believe that she does any of this "by accident". I think she is a liar who gets a kick out of harassing gay teenagers in more ways than one. I personally hate when youtubers and news orgs do "spotlights" of Jessica Yaniv, because it just adds to the amount of trolls who feel justified in taking out their transphobic beliefs on wholesome Pride events. It just straight up does NOT "help the children".
Thank you for the first-hand insight!
Thank you for the info, and good to see that another person from bc has impeccable RUclips taste
Jesus, that's terrible(i know that's an understatement, but that's my legit reaction)
@@RyanStorey1231 yaniv is trash. What I don't like is if I refer to it as he people act like I am some thing worse than that. Meh activism sometimes
Uhh this seems like this should be an official press release please?
Time to grab an eightpack of beer and go watch ContraPoints classics in the middle of a forest.
Sounds like a good time. Need that.
"Kesha lyrics rewritten in iambic pentameter... what audience was that for?"
The audience is me.
us, us
Bullies who are claiming they are "trying to help" are the worst kind of people.
See also: most parents.
It's like they're aware of their own guilt but so keen to carry on gaining whatever validation is so valuable to them, they'll latch onto any thinly stretched cognitive dissonance they can.
Heard that excuse a lot from the people who frequented /r/fatpeoplehate when that was still a thing. Like dehumanizing and viciously mocking fat people would motivate them to get in better shape or something. Which, no, it doesn't do that.
So, you’re saying that to “help them” or to distance yourself from a version of you?
Yes, that's such a cheap excuse, I wish it was called out universally. So you're deliberately making someone feel bad to get them to change so that they're protected them from... people like you making them feel bad. Hmm, maybe if there weren't people like you there wouldn't be a problem.
If you can find some compassion for the cringiest part of yourself, you become nearly invincible.
I think this comment just saved me!
Isn't that from the first game of thrones
... Oh.
Hmmm that's a hypothesis worth disproving.
It's immensely strong and immune to nearly any weapon. When used properly you can become nearly invincible.
Just when you think you understand the depths of misery the internet can take us, you learn about the Chris-Chan saga for the first time and realize you had only descended the first sublevel. Surely somebody, somewhere, went to prison over at least one bad thing here, right? Right? At least one person faced consequences not meted out by their own in group?
Dude the first time i learned about chrischan like 2 or 3 years back it geniuenly shocked me, and thats tough to do. Its just insane how much wild shit has happened to this 1 person. Its alot, i feel for ya lol
Rewatching this vid and just saw your comment, Chrischan is actually in jail for…. incest. With their mother. Not kidding at all, you can google it.
@@alyssayarbrough6290WHAT
The whole subject is cursed knowledge. It's like the King in Yellow.
In regards to fat cringe, something I find really cowardly about people who indulge in or contribute to it is when they say some shit like "oh well it's because if we shame them they'll understand that their weight isn't healthy and they'll be motivated to lose it", as if the vast majority of people who are dangerously overweight aren't constantly aware of and often deeply ashamed of their bodies and their eating habits 24/7. With a lot of people who have gotten that big, it's not because they're lazy gluttons who are too busy stuffing their faces to think about their own weight, it's because something has gone seriously wrong in their personal lives, and they aren't in a healthy place mentally, a problem that requires a lot more addressing than just "hahah fat lol". All this kind of cringing is is being disgusted by somebody having a body type we've been trained our entire lives to find disgusting on sight, and to conflate being that big with being a bad person.
Why am I not surprised that your profile pic is roadhog (affectionate)
Great comment
"I'm a-logging these cat girls" is a sentence that would be impossible to explain to any other human being in another time.
I found the section about the general lesbian subreddit that's been flooded with early/pre-transition transbian catgirls to be *fascinating*. I'm a subscriber there myself, and there's often a lot of complaints that users with trans flags get heavily downvoted, especially if they're talking about trans specific topics. I wonder how many of the silent downvoters are actually fully transitioned trans women experiencing in-group cringe like Natalie?
its pretty damn hard to explain to most people today even
contrapoints videos are wild because you watch like 25 minutes in and you're like "okay she's gone pretty deep and made good points, this has been a hell of a ride but I'm interested in her closing statements" and then you mouse over the player and there's another hour to go and you don't realize the full depth of the journey you're about to go on but now you are invested and you come out the other side a veteran.
To the goldfish even his bowl is just as deep as the deepest ocean he can imagine.
Educate yourself or suffer to follow all your life (just like the alt-right does).
@@kenjidev576 Uh, what are you trying to achieve by posting a million comments here?
Nachfüllbarer Trank lmao yeah I’ve seen this guy like everywhere, how’d they even get here?
@@safahasan486 ...idk, pretty sure I've seen them on other channels already
this happens to me every single time
the fact this video is 2 years old and still talks about such relevant topics is so insane to me
cringe is timeless and universal
the first person on this planet has experienced cringe
the richest man and the poorest beggar has experienced cringe
people in the year 3000941 in their primordial goop think tanks would be cringing right now in there genderfluid
to be cringe is to be human
Crazy that Davis Aurini is so extremely similar to Andrew Tate today. History really does repeat itself.
Is the reason why Andrew Tate somehow became so popular then that he leaned into his cringiness, like he was in on the joke (and therefore self-aware and therefore not *really* cringe) - to blur the lines between genuine abhorrent beliefs and just being “silly and funny”?
@@alexbennet4195eh, maybe. Idk, he might too stupid for something like that.
When Jennifer Lawrence fell at the Oscar's I didnt feel cringe for her falling but instead for the man who ran up to help her up but was too late because I know exactly how it feels to try to help and you dont get a chance to.
Oof I feel that
yes and I felt it every single time she played the clip in this video
Hey, it's better to be 'the guy who tried to help' than the 'guy who stood by and didn't even try to help'.
Oh my god I know that feeling lol
Pain.
The Chris-chan saga is a tragedy where everyone is absolutely terrible
It's the Tiger King of internet lore.
It amazes me how defensive people get about it and how they will bring up all these shitty things she did in order to try and justify it.
All I know about is the recycling
@@MyKeyMoonShine "ah see, kiwifarm is about exposing pedophiles"
@@grahamkristensen9301 more like Tiger King is the first mainstream lolcow... Now that it's been proven how big a market there is for it, I wonder how deep the next insane documentary series goes
I love furry memes where one cute critter says, "Oh no, I'm cringe!" and another comforts them with a hug and says, "It's okay. WE'RE cringe." Funny yet also heartwarming! There's a lot of joy to be had in being silly and not minding what others think of it.
I wonder if stereotype threat and in-group cringe can be connected to each other.
Stereotype threat is when someone has anxieties about doing something that confirms a negative stereotype about a group they are a part of, and such anxiety has been shown to negatively effect people. One common example is attitudes about women and math, and many studies suggest that the presence of stereotype threat negatively effects women's ability to do math.
I wonder if the same emotions in some in-group cringe is similar, in that you might, in addition to fearing that you may fall into a stereotype, fear that you will confirm said stereotype in the eyes of others.
I'm a more masculine, queer woman and I certainly avoid saying or doing certain things, or cringe looking back at them, out of fear that others might be looking at me and thinking of stereotypes connected to those things.
This is a super prescient observation! Are you familiar w/ the study you cited? I'm curious as to the controls used to analyze the women's performances in these tasks & the overall setup of the experiment.
Yes they absolutely are connected
I will never forget I discovered my bisexuality on a genderfluid cringe compilation
edit: a year later after this comment, I am also now transmasc nonbinary so my life is one big irony lmao
felt that
@@meringue3288 found one of them really attractive and questioned my sexuality until I was like huh maybe I do like all genders
@@brunah4329 if you like all genders, you're not bi, you're pan. Not trying to be mean in anyway.
@@poopman6146 actually in the bisexual manifesto it includes all genders, I love any gender, but I just choose to call myself bi
@@poopman6146 The way I've always looked at the difference between bisexual and pansexual is that there's a lot of overlap, especially depending on how you view gender and sex, but as far as I'm concerned, whatever someone is most comfortable calling themselves is how I'll call them and it really makes no difference to me. Kind of a more, "whatever man, go with the flow" perspective but that's just my two cents lol
"People shall say I couldn't sing, but no-one will say that I didn't."- Florence Foster Jenkins
In a way, Flofo (as she is often called) has become an unintentional patroness saint of aspiring opera singers. Enrico Caruso himself was a fan of hers- he admired her genuine joy of singing onstage.
Headcanon: After a lifetime of having the love and joy of singing but not having the talent for it, Florence Foster Jenkins came back as Cecilia Bartoli as a reward.
Every time I (silently) start criticizing someone for doing something badly, like performing or creating, I try to remind myself "Well at least they are doing it. You're too lazy or scared to even try!" She's actually pretty inspirational.
The thing I don't understand about people like Rose who comments on other people's transition and call it a "big walrus look" is that it's lies in a hypothetical image of feminity. Many so called "real women" don't look like cute seals or perfectly figured or have great fashion sense. Some of them have stereotypical masculine facial features. Therefore condemning someone to look like a fucking venus emerged from the sea is bullshit. Especially when you know that person is trying REALLY HARD to pass. Pointing out all these things is not "tough love" but down right rude cause you area making somebody feel ashamed of something they are already insecure about. And what the fuck is with barging in a women's washroom. I don't get it. As long as someone is minding their own business, what's the problem in it. It's a fucking toilet for godsake not Versailles palace. That person is here to shit or pee let them have their peace. I mean if there is a long line for women's washroom and men's washroom is empty I don't give a fuxk what anybody thinks and I will go in. Not because I want to invade somebody's personal space but I want to fucking shit.
When I see such people all I see is some pretty people raising bullshit about a petty topics. There are a lot of things to worry about rather than to comment about someone's look and whatever fuckery.
I hope nobody reply me saying you support a pedophile predator cause I don't, and if you think so I think you should read what I said again.
This was enough of a rant, I guess. In the end Nataile rules, Contrapoint is my Bible.
Omfg YES and everyone always conveniently ignores the fact that the bathrooms in their homes aren't separated by gender either WHATS THE PROBLEM WITH GENDER NEUTRAL BATHROOMS. My uni has had gender neutral bathrooms for YEARS and I've never felt uncomfortable there. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that so many people think it's an issue
Incredible video as always. On an unrelated note, the phrase “and here she is in full Bronycon eleganza. Pegasister snapped!” WILL NOT leave my brain.
Everything wrong with this video:
-She does not understand the difference between calling someone who does not deserves it(transgenders, queer folk, discapacitated people, etc) and people who deserve it(furries, otakus, incels, trolls, otherkin).
-She made an entire one hour video of a very simple subject
-She sounds like an obsessive, morally hypocritical liberal, progressive SJW.
-She forgets that r/cringetopia also called out horrible people like zoophiles and pedophiles and made fun of trolls. Cringetopia is one of the only few good subreddits out there.
-She is basically the "stop the hate" snowflake.
-She takes the topic too seriously.
-The "straight people offended" joke makes no sense. What was she saying with this? What was the point of this?
-Furries do deserve to be called crinfe as many are toxic and perverted. Not to mention many are zoophiles and SJWs.
-She claims that if you use the word cringe your a "fascist" and that your supposedely support "child groomers".
Just pointing out my problems i have with this video.
Chomsky: Manufacturing Consent,
Contra: Manufacturing Contempt, the study of cringe.
nice
Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent needs an update focusing on the internet
"Straight people, you are of course welcome to tag along too, provived you're emotionally damaged"
I've never felt more included in my life
Lol what do you want? She can reach anyone lol.
42:40
I just love the analogy of the scapegoat in this context. It's painfully absurd, because it fits for all the wrong reasons:
If you understand the meaning of the rite of the scapegoat, you see how perfectly ironic this behaviour is.
The 'sins' of the group are given upon the goat before it is send away from the community to die with their sins on their behalf.
BUT what is crucial to understand this fully is that those who send the goat away put their hands on its head during the rite.
This gesture essentially means: 'I know I myself should pay for my sins, but I thank you for doing it for me. In order to prevent this in the future, I will try to become a better person so this sacrifice won't be necessary anymore.'
It involves self-reflexion and the acknowledgement of your own guilt (real or perceived), which these trolls 100% lack.
The scapegoat is NOT meant to be a substitute for self-reflection and change, but their catalyst.
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Yes, that is exactly the point!
A scapegoat without reflection is just a blood-sacrifice, doomed to be repeated eternally...
Oh my god
"Self-hatred is another form of narcissism" / "cringing over yourself is still narcissism" I'm def gonna speak about that with my therapist
thank you so much, for real
It unlocked so many things in my brain
Cringe culture also peaking with the “simp” memes right now. Boys really are cringing at their own feelings for women and fear of lacking self awareness and looking like an idiot.
Dont they know acknowledging your feelings is dope af
right on !!!
Exactly
Simp originally started as an insult for niceguys but then it just became a catch-all and got really annoying really quickly
it would be dope if it wasnt temporary
This saddens me, because any interaction with the semblance of concern for someone else is automatically “simping.” I’ve seen a lot of people online embracing wholesomeness and kindness, and I’m worried that this “simp” business is going to ruin that
Other creators: I'm not going to touch that it will destroy my career.
Contrapoints, dark queen: Mmmm, sweet sweet sustenance.
I used to be much more okay with being seen as cringe, but as I've grown a bit older and gotten deeper into fandom culture, my fear of possibly being cringe has gotten way worse. I started writing fanfiction at age 18 and even though I loved it, I was also painfully aware of the lack of writing skills I possessed. Now I'm stuck in this neverending cycle of feeling like I should stop all fandom activities I've been participating in, and desperately wanting to not let go of them because said fandom activities bring me joy...fun stuff
If it brings you joy I think you should keep doing it ! A hobby doesn't need to be something you're good at, it's just something that is fun or relaxing for you and puts you in a good mood. And as long as you're not hurting anyone, screw other people's jugement! Also no one has to know what gets you going, you can use a fake name so people can't tease you about it (and even if some of your friends know, I think knowing something embarrassing about someone you like actually makes them more relatable and human, so you end up liking them even more)
Hope this helps :)
Being aware of your lack of skills means you know you can improve, and if you keep at it I'm sure you will! Regardless of the output, just do it cause it makes you feel good! Eventually you'll get better or move onto another hobby, so for now just follow what brings you joy
The phrase 'morbid cringe' entered my vernacular at light speed
I came here angry after being told on Twitter that ContraPoints is mean to that Gamestop lady, found her evaluating her internalised transmisogyny and how it affects how she views other trans women... and learned a lot about trans twitter.
ContraPoints, sweetie, I'm so sorry.
Twitter put more effort into running Contra off of the website than they did building support for rent strikes on May Day so I think it's healthy to take what they say with a few grains of salt
@Sugar Free Anthems I have some sympathy for Tiffany despite how horrible she may be. But I'm more concerned about the transphobia that arose after the Gamestop incident. People took a jab at all transwomen when they were transphobic towards Tiffany. I don't particularly care about Tiffany, I'm just afraid of the backlash innocent transpeople have received and continue to receive just because 1 trans person acted terribly.
Kat Blacque did a very good video about Blair White and Calvin Garrah. She admitted she'd been Blair at one point. I do think White has a lot of internalised transphobia but I'm less sympathetic to her stanning for Trump.
Ollie at Philosophy Tube said those people were scarier than the Nazis but still found he could derive some irony by in his words 'been told to kill myself by the cast of Bambi' as a lot of them have cartoon avatars. I still think some of them are Nazis stirring things up and indulging their hate but not all. Between them and the worst of the Bernie bros we've not seen a good side of the left recently.
I saw some tweets too. Made me sick. Twitter is the worst.
At this point she's just making educational movies
Edutainment/Infotainment
1:23:18. a full-length documentary movie
In a comment conversation yesterday I described her videos as being like class-projects or theater-projects. I love her work! She's truly reinvesting that Patreon support into her work & gatdang, does it show. :) Video length, script detail, set & costume design, etc! So proud of her journey & I've learned a lot from Natalie.
I know right? She's the best. ^_^
Is that not what she's always done? I've never known contra as anything but edutainment
All these comments coming in to announce that Chris-Chan isn't a victim before turning around and explaining exactly how they're a victim of themselves, absolutely bang-up parents, and access to an unmoderated internet.
Natalie didn't say Chris-Chan was innocent. She said they weren't funny. And she's right. Chris-Chan is a person who has needed severe psychiatric help their entire life, and was never granted access. They grew up with parents who were, on their own, not exactly playing with a full hand, and for most of their life only got any form of help from a family friend through their church.
We've arrived at a point where, assuming the stars align and somehow CWC gets proper psychiatrist care in prison, and somehow they make a breakthrough, CWC will never be able to live a normal life. They have a CAD certification and could get a job doing that post-prison. It's an incredibly easy job if you know how it works and doesn't necessarily require a lot of social interaction relative to customer facing positions. But they could move to the other side of the world and they would never get hired because the trolls made sure that they are the most documented person in history. And even then they will still be stalked and harassed the remainder of their life. And that's the best-case scenario.
The truly harrowing thing about CWC is that the single biggest thing that would have changed their lives is if their parents simply took away their internet access. Yeah, maybe they'd still be a local gremlin. Maybe they'd get arrested a few times for harassing some poor woman. But maybe then they'd still have a chance to get help.
if you are severely overweight, swimming is excellent exercise that doesn't cause impact injuries. Poor lady is probably just trying to lose weight
Starting with a guy singing Bohemian Rhapsody badly, ending with "nothing really matters".
It's the circle of life
and a bit of danse macabre in the middle, just because she can
Major missed opportunity there...Should have added the dude's performance ending "Too@0o00@0o0 MÈÈè̩ȅÉé̩ĒḔḕḗẼĘę́ę̃!!!!!"
I finally got this punchline after sitting through this hour long video with COVID19 puns sprinkled inside to emphasize how toxic it was.
God I really wasn't ready for the self-hatred being a form of narcissism line.
I was introduced to that idea by an art professor, no less. And directed at me. I was really not ready for that, and it took me a long time to be able to process the possibilities behind what I then perceived exclusively as mean spirited commentary and no more. This video helped me add yet another perspective: maybe he saw in me was he saw in himself, and didn't like it.
Me an hour ago: Oh hey Contra uploaded a long video, I'm sure it'll be interesting
Me now: I have realized for like the fifth time that I built my entire personality wrong
@@unblorbosyourshows9635 omg yes
@Pia Kjærsgaard oh fuck I feel seen and I don't like it
@Pia Kjærsgaard This. This is it. Thank you for these insights.
For better or worse I deeply sympathise with your feelings. Those similar delusional thoughts have bugged me for years. I know that the constant psychological abuse I inflict upon myself isn't based in logic, but I still can't bring myself to believe that my existence has any worth. Where did this self loathing even came from? Idk. Maybe Natalie's suggestion, a form of positive nihilism, would help.
The most offensive thing in this video was rose of dawn insinuating that the burgeouning big bull seal is somehow less cute than the baby seal. I mean look at him. 10/10, would cuddle him
Also note how the dainty cute seal is white and the other one isn't lol, lot to unpack there
I hate cringey humor and feel like I’m going to die watching it. My whole face gets red and hot and I have to cover my face and ears! My husband makes fun of me for it. lol
Same the second hand embarrassment is unbearable 🫣 idk how people watch it for fun so much 😂
Contrapoints consistently tackles concepts that make my stomach fear-drop, because they feel too messy, taboo, and personal. Sometimes it's hard to watch her videos, but when I've finished it feels like catharsis. I can't even imagine the guts it takes to MAKE them. Thank you Natalie for putting so much emotional and creative labor into your work
Like Hannah Gadsby talks about in Nanette, Natile knows how to control the tension fo sho
Literally every single one of her videos slam dunks my entire being directly into the garbage. I feel like I need to lie down
@Kimmminem West Sometimes self analyzing hurts a lot, but it eventually leads to self betterment, so I think it's for the best
Contrapoints can only talk about this without making me delve into self hate.
very well put
Unpopular Opinion: This video is an excuse for Natalie to show us her folding fans collection.
And lanterns. Don't forget the paper lantern collection.
(I actually bought a folding fan similar to those at a booth at the local fair, and then, because it was GOD DAMN JULY IN THE DESERT, I started (gasp!) _using_ it! For its original purpose! Pretty AND practical. My kinda prop. :P)
Its a damn good excuse!!!
And her plushies, figurines, and pillow. :’)
That opinion is in fact very popular with me. But that does not cause me to love this video any less. (...or is it fewer? Love this video any fewer??)
I need a folding fan collection now.
1:18:20 Growing up I always suffered from feelings of self loathing. My self esteem was basically as bad as it could possibly be. I couldn’t receive compliments without actively thinking of ways to deny them, I was constantly making “jokes” About how awful I thought I was, I had subconsciously convinced myself that no one in my life actually cared about me including my friends and family members. I was a Mess, and I unfortunately didn’t have enough awareness to understand why my way of thinking was so harmful. A couple years ago though (you know when the world went to shit) I started going to therapy and started contextualizing my thoughts and headspace in a way that made it much easier for me to deal with and I’m in a much better place now, but when my therapist asked me “where do you think you got these ideas from?” I couldn’t give her a definitive answer. Nothing particularly traumatizing happened to me, my parents were kinda strict but not in a way that was mentally abuse. I got bullied by my brother and his friends but not in a way that directly attacked my self esteem, they just liked annoying me and picking on me. But after watching this video I think I figured it out. I think my social anxiety manifested in a way that made me afraid of contempt. Any and all contempt. Whether it be from my teachers for doing something wrong, for my peers for not fitting in, for my parents for disappointing them, it didn’t matter. (Probably brought on by the bullying I mentioned earlier now that I think about it). And that fear caused me to overcorrect in such a way that made it really difficult for me to view myself in a positive light. I started viewing any apparent flaw in myself as evidence that I was somehow a terrible person, and in order to reassure myself that I wasn’t, i would go out of my way to be as perfect and graceful as possible when it came to social interactions, and whenever I did something wrong like make someone uncomfortable on accident or tell a joke that didn’t land or disappointment my parents or friends, i would always be really harsh on myself. Mistakes are unavoidable though, so overtime my self image just got worse and worse. Who knows where I’d be now if I hadn’t gone to therapy or if I didn’t have friends who reassured me of my own worth. Cringing at yourself is on some level important, but when done excessively in can fester feelings of self loathing that are incredibly potent and incredibly difficult to rid yourself of.
Wtf was it you or was it really me who wrote this? Bc this is how i've felt for most of my life.
I'm glad that you have good friends that remind you you are cool and worhty of love and attention. They can be a real life saver.
Social anxiety can be a bitch, but it's more manageable when you know you're not the only one with it. Have a nice day :).
It seems the negative feedback loop sparked by minimal external social trauma is a common experience.
“Do not kill the part of you that is cringe, kill the part that cringes” - John F Kennedy
The makeup and visuals in the circus scene were lit
@@ChristieBrewster ba dum tss
Almost made me forget about his degeneracy
Ikr i loved that aesthetic
@@ChristieBrewster ok and? we're pointing out that it's visually appealing.
Christiaan Tomatenpuree fuck off transphobe
People have done "internet deepdives" before but this.... this is the REAL internet deepdive, pulling up all the filth and scum for everyone to show, but what we're seeing is not someone else behind a screen, but ourselves.
Neringa Mecelyte ouf that hit hard
Cringeception
"It's a black mirror because it's the phone screen!"
But for real.
It isn't a deepdive if she blatantly lies about the Chris-chan situation. It's clearly obvious she did little to no research.
Totally not Zokix11_MC I did take a gander at CWC’s long ass tale once upon a time and I think she was pretty accurate.
You know, here's a thoughtful and pragmatic way to deal with being called "sir," if female, that isn't self-defeating or alienating: if treated as a title of respect unattached to gender, as when Navy personnel are required to call female officers "sir," the sting is gone.
It's not much, but in the public setting, especially in the environment of customer service, it easily applies and might help displace any intended or unintended insult or offense.
We've somehow got to get away from this victim culture, somehow have to start playing within rules where acceptance naturally lives.
Maybe, confrontation still is the answer, but if self-protection is the goal, can't do much better than fostering a paradigm shift within our own heads.
Edit: commas
Yes, just reply with "at ease, soldier, we're not at the base" as if you hear it daily. That'd be peeeerfect.
You know, if I had the quickness of wit some people have. I have so called stairwell moments of coming up with the perfect responses and arguments only after I'm already in the stairwell.