How To Use That 800 Year Old Melody Technique That's Awesome 👨‍🔬

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  • @VenusTheory
    @VenusTheory  2 года назад +40

    What do you think of this technique? 🤔
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    • @WHALEx3
      @WHALEx3 2 года назад

      I thought it was great, thanks dude

    • @jfilbert
      @jfilbert 2 года назад

      Always looking for ways to make my two-bar loops into something. Appreciated!

    • @palyndrumatix7790
      @palyndrumatix7790 2 года назад

      I still use HY plugins for similar use cases.

    • @alfonsodiaz6235
      @alfonsodiaz6235 2 года назад

      Love this stuff! Thanks for sharing. Definitely trying this for fresh ideas.

    • @MrJansteiner
      @MrJansteiner 2 года назад

      Cool technique. I'm not sure is time stretching Midi clips possible in Ableton though, is it??

  • @scottnelle
    @scottnelle 2 года назад +59

    I gave it a shot. Spent a total of five minutes with a $5 soft synth and I've just been blissed out looping the chillest 8 measures of music I've ever heard. I love this! Thanks for sharing.

  • @rockhills
    @rockhills 2 года назад +182

    This technique reminds me of music cues specifically on medical themed tv shows. Lol I can see how this would benefit a composer who has to churn out material on a weekly basis.

    • @VenusTheory
      @VenusTheory  2 года назад +80

      Honestly after trying this out the last few weeks I swear I was able to recreate half the random cues from House MD haha. With the right sounds it's incredibly close to most modern medical dramas!

    • @dumafuji
      @dumafuji 2 года назад +17

      Lol. It’s a fugue. It’s a lot like a lot of music from like everywhere in western civilization since the renaissance. I do love it still. It sounds like tons of modern classical music to me. Add drones and noise swells and we are in a crime drama in Iceland.

    • @scottnelle
      @scottnelle 2 года назад +17

      Yup, this genre is definitely called House music. 😁

    • @austincopeland6177
      @austincopeland6177 2 года назад +3

      I hate that you put this in my head 😝 because it does sound like a medical drama. It’s like when someone says something sounds like elevator music or infomercial music. I guess it’s all in what you do with it. What kind of instruments and drums you use and how you arrange it.

    • @bharathj63
      @bharathj63 2 года назад +1

      House MD was what came to my mind immidiately !

  • @belverticale
    @belverticale 2 года назад +71

    Yes, this is like a cannon in classical music. I use a similar technique but kind of non MIDI...rendering audio files in Fruity Loops at half tempo, double tempo, pitched up and down an octave, reversed, using different sounds, etc. and then layered up in Acid in its main arrange window...it's my secret weapon for the ambient/classical music I make.

    • @joshstead6078
      @joshstead6078 2 года назад +2

      Isn't it more like a fugue? Which would make sense given that plug in

    • @uhhhclem
      @uhhhclem 2 года назад +6

      @@joshstead6078 Canon is much more rigid than fugue. (The word "canon" literally means "rule.") In a canon, each voice uses the same material, altered only through translation (i.e. starting later), inversion, transposition, or change in tempo or articulation. In a fugue (the word comes from "fuga," meaning "flight"), the voices are variations on the same material, which gives the composer much more expressive freedom.
      Compare Bach's Canon 4 (ruclips.net/video/_xVLxyfEOao/видео.html) and the D Major Fugue from WTK (ruclips.net/video/zmuSYb84b1Y/видео.html, which is also one of the best performances of any piece of music ever recorded in my not so humble opinion). The technique Cameron's using here generates canons.
      (Specifically, as Pat Cupo observes, prolation canons. There are a lot of subdivisions of the canon form, and I'm relatively innocent of pre-Baroque music so I'm oversimplifying here.)

    • @hball6695
      @hball6695 Год назад

      not any more...

    • @SungazerDNB
      @SungazerDNB Год назад

      @@uhhhclem Thank you for the elaborate explanation. If this comment wasn't 10 months old I would suspect Chat GPT to be at play, which is really dumb when I think about it. - Goes to show you where the world is at right now.

    • @metacortexvortex2131
      @metacortexvortex2131 10 месяцев назад

      I like your approach to the theory! It shows there are more ways than one to skin that kitty. I use Ableton and I am going to experiment with how I can use the more recent midi clip functions to arrive at similar outcomes.

  • @patcupo
    @patcupo 2 года назад +99

    Very cool and never heard of Fugue Machine. The technique is very old though, like pre-Baroque. It’s called a “Prolation Canon” or sometimes a “Mensuration Canon”. Perfect fit for a DAW, good idea.

    • @MagnaKay
      @MagnaKay 2 года назад +39

      I read "menstruation cannon", and I can't tell you the image was pleasant...

    • @patcupo
      @patcupo 2 года назад +11

      @@MagnaKay Autocorrect had the same idea, but the name is what it is 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @WHALEx3
      @WHALEx3 2 года назад

      @@MagnaKay bro same

    • @LiftPizzas
      @LiftPizzas 2 года назад +13

      It was invented during the mensuration period.

    • @JohnSmith-pn2vl
      @JohnSmith-pn2vl 2 года назад

      @@LiftPizzas we should mensurate less and can on more

  • @j3ffn4v4rr0
    @j3ffn4v4rr0 2 года назад +18

    Great video! I've loved using my own variations of fugue composition techniques for a long time...here are a couple suggestions you can try: 1) experiment with uneven loop lengths...like 3, 5, 7...since they won't line up with your bars of 4 (for example) they will overlap in more interesting ways over time. 2) When you get further into the arrangement stage, duplicate your basic main loop of all voices, across however long your song is...then start pulling out layers, and let different voices come through to create the various sections of your song.

  • @thesundrinker
    @thesundrinker Год назад +4

    I've only been making DAW music for about three months. Of all the videos and how to's this is beyond helpful. Not only was this straight forward and fun as heck to do I got to learn a lot more about my DAW. Will for sure be trying more of this. Thank you so much.

  • @EricWatkins7
    @EricWatkins7 Год назад +1

    I seriously love your channel more and more as RUclips keeps throwing you on the tracks in front of me. Just wanted to say thanks for all of it. The technical, the synth stuff, the production techniques, the theory, and especially the human aspect of it all with work/life balance. Wishing you the best!

  • @jayrose4804
    @jayrose4804 2 года назад +2

    as someone who makes music solely on an ipad and also someone who has and loves fugue machine, this is a BRILLIANT idea. you get a lot more flexibility and control. thanks for sharing!

  • @greedokenobi3855
    @greedokenobi3855 2 года назад +21

    MIDIval melodies ⚔️

  • @craigburton4447
    @craigburton4447 2 года назад

    It's like you have less control and yet more control at the same time, proper zen business. I like this a lot.

  • @realtonaldrum
    @realtonaldrum 2 года назад +7

    3:48 thanks for showing this stretching technique. also made me look up "the reverse" shortcut that I wasn't aware of!

  • @forsale313
    @forsale313 2 года назад +1

    Free Loop/Arp maker. You never cease to amaze. Thank you very much.

  • @Ferna471
    @Ferna471 2 года назад +3

    When i started making music i did this on a son i had to make for a class intuitively, idk how but even to the point of each layer being played by different instruments and all and to this day making fuges is the technique i love the most

  • @Alckemy
    @Alckemy 2 года назад +28

    Great stuff here!
    it's a cool way to get a musical tune started. for me I'm already thinking about adding arpeggiators and throwing all this stuff into a granular synth. will definitely try this later

    • @TheCosmicTeapot
      @TheCosmicTeapot 2 года назад +5

      A liberal sprinkling of instances of Bleass Granulizer and Output Portal would be 🔥. Output Movement would be great to breathe some fluid rhythm into the time-stretched parts with some XY pad modulation thrown in. Bitwig is fantastic for modulation, among other things.

  • @seantrottier2466
    @seantrottier2466 2 года назад +4

    Ok... This is ridiculously fun. Thank you for this one. So good for ambient kind of sounds, and likely way more.

  • @JayBee6801
    @JayBee6801 2 года назад +3

    The possibilities here are limitless. I was going to get off of youtube then said "ah screw it. One more video." To think I may have missed this gem and the inspiration it has given me. Now I just gotta fight the urge to fire up my DAW 6 hours before I have to be at work. Thank You for this video.

  • @recordednowhere
    @recordednowhere 2 года назад +17

    this is so cool. Although i often use similar techniques when it comes to "timestretching midi", I had never used reversed midi patterns before. So I just looked up how to reverse or invert midi patterns in Reaper (mirrored through the x or y axis). Came up with a really fun song idea that way. THANKS for the inspiration!

    • @jennoscura2381
      @jennoscura2381 2 года назад +1

      I need to learn how to do that in Reaper.

    • @recordednowhere
      @recordednowhere 2 года назад

      timestretching is possible with alt + drag right edge of midi items

    • @jennoscura2381
      @jennoscura2381 2 года назад

      @@recordednowhere Yea I looked it up and figured it out. Now I need to figure out how to flip midi.

    • @recordednowhere
      @recordednowhere 2 года назад +4

      @@jennoscura2381 like i said, it's somewhat hidden in the (midi editor) actions. :) "reverse midi", there's several options. (might wanna choose a scale in the midi editor as well, so flipped notes along the y axis snap to the scale)

    • @jennoscura2381
      @jennoscura2381 2 года назад +1

      @@recordednowhere Thanks for the info.

  • @shpongled587
    @shpongled587 2 года назад +1

    I came up with this method some time ago and keep forgetting to implement it. Thanks for the reminder, Buckadoodaloo.

  • @archaicmelody8119
    @archaicmelody8119 2 года назад +11

    Ironically, this method is very close to how I learned how to produce audio in FL Studio. Though a few years later I moved away from that approach as I felt it was lazy or too simple. A the time I started to abandon it, I was just getting into utilizing complex chord progressions in my works. I recently returned to this approach when I got stuck trying to work out the composition of a track I was working on. Sometimes it's good to return to the basics and simpler things.

    • @sovietdolphin
      @sovietdolphin 2 года назад

      Do you know if there’s any way to use note probability in Fl Studio?

    • @WillCMAG
      @WillCMAG 2 года назад +1

      @@sovietdolphin Not really, the closest think I can think of that would use note probability is its Riff Machine in the Tools drop down menu. I recommend giving it a try.

    • @marcolengsdorf
      @marcolengsdorf Год назад

      @@sovietdolphin you can use a plugin called Stochas. It works like the piano roll of FL. You can place your midi notes inside that plugin and also set the values for the probability.

  • @Flat8G
    @Flat8G 11 месяцев назад

    Wow! What a great tool to combat creativity block! Thanks for this video! 😀

  • @jetlag1488
    @jetlag1488 2 года назад +7

    Someone has already said it but yeah this is prolation/proportional/mensuration canon. I've been doing it for years. What inspired me to utilize the technique was Pachelbel's Canon and memories of when we used to sing in canon back in elementary school.

    • @l0rdw3rm
      @l0rdw3rm 2 года назад +1

      hi mmm mmmmm mmm l no uuÿyyyuoû

  • @wardka
    @wardka 2 года назад +5

    I had already figured out a similar technique for making sleep ambient music for myself (using much longer notes in general), except I didn't know how to make the probability thing work in my DAW. I thought it was just an amateur lazy way to go about things at the time. Now I'm feeling a little smug and I want to try it again.

  • @vontyger6759
    @vontyger6759 2 года назад +1

    You have some of the best quality and most helpful videos I have ever seen!

  • @trickfall8752
    @trickfall8752 2 года назад +3

    I use a lot of these techniques on the Toraiz Squid Sequencer which has the advantage of being real time. I hadn't thought of slowing parts down though and will definitely try out having tracks play at different speeds.

  • @reaktiv1408
    @reaktiv1408 2 года назад +1

    Very interesting techniques you showed lately here, thanks a lot for sharing them. Simple and very effective, I love it and this Fugue inspired one is my favorite.

  • @brkofdon
    @brkofdon 2 года назад

    this is sooo cooooool. going to be messing with this for awhile. adding the probability function and recording it for awhile creating limitless variations to later sample, and even mangle even more with plugins like portal....and on and on and on!!

  • @EskildTrulsen
    @EskildTrulsen 2 года назад +2

    It would be really cool hearing the same procedure, with only percussion/drums :) Thanks for sharing!

  • @dumafuji
    @dumafuji 2 года назад +5

    Perfect RUclips video. Short, clear, replicable, inspiring. I think fugue machine makes it (almost too) easy to quantize to scale when raising or lower the pitch. But it also is easy to start from a different location too - all of which are next steps. Ableton also allows you to flip or invert the sequence. I’m sure most daws do too.

  • @OneNeverEnds
    @OneNeverEnds 2 года назад

    This is a great tutorial for an awesome technique. About half way through the video I tried it simply in my DAW and came up with a great foundation for a track already. Thanks for this.

  • @TerenceKearns
    @TerenceKearns 2 года назад

    Gtreat thinking. I love fugue machine. This idea is a a great way to conquer writers block and give inspiration for something bigger.

  • @Lordxfx
    @Lordxfx 2 года назад

    I've known you for a very long time V, and still I can not get over the timbre of your voice. Epic frequencies when you speak. Ok, back to the technique you were showing. :)) That's nice too...

  • @sebastianmoggia4800
    @sebastianmoggia4800 2 года назад

    Love it!!! Super inspiring trick 👏👏👏. Thanks for shearing

  • @bandybandy7485
    @bandybandy7485 2 года назад

    I like this dude. Inspired me with new ideas every video I watch.

  • @electron7373
    @electron7373 2 года назад

    Excellent technique!

  • @left0verture
    @left0verture 2 года назад

    Excellent video/audio quality, useful/interesting content and the dude has a serious radio voice.

  • @aldotanca9430
    @aldotanca9430 2 года назад +2

    That's interesting. I do baroque improvisation, or try to anyway, and I often wonder about ways contemporary hobby musicians might benefit from that approach and learn some of it in intuitive ways. While what you show is obviously a bit mechanical, it does make for a good and easy entry point. I like your work, you obviously put a lot of effort in producing your videos and make a very good job of it.

  • @apricotdog
    @apricotdog Год назад

    OMG, this is sublime!

  • @EarJuice
    @EarJuice Год назад

    This is why I like those loop packs. The MIDI can be super useful rather than the audio loops.

  • @tonycorlett2099
    @tonycorlett2099 2 года назад +1

    You have an excellent natural instrument! Your voice! You should be getting plenty of voice over work! It's a shame you are not based in the UK as I would definitely be your agent.

  • @mind_money_morphology
    @mind_money_morphology 2 года назад +1

    2:07 Felt like I just tuned into an episode of House 😭sooo good

  • @connyolovsson
    @connyolovsson Год назад

    Great tutorial, thanks!

  • @KitKeenlyside
    @KitKeenlyside 2 года назад

    Thanks Cameron! Been experimenting with this idea a little, but you offered new insights as usual!

  • @samkenny3075
    @samkenny3075 2 года назад

    Love it-- I had no idea-- thanks!

  • @Rhythmattica
    @Rhythmattica 2 года назад +1

    I used to do this with Atari Cubase and the Phrase synth!
    Great Vid.

  • @iosmusicman
    @iosmusicman 2 года назад

    Ace! Thanks. As a huge fan of fugue machine, I’m more inspired to take up your daw concept. Cheers. Lee

  • @bartjelories
    @bartjelories 2 года назад

    Very inspirational and a great sound. Thank you

  • @watchaddicts1213
    @watchaddicts1213 Год назад

    Great show, Cam! You're a ver y good teacher.

  • @wizzack75
    @wizzack75 2 года назад

    neato burrito. the ad placement was a nice touch, magic!

  • @odiroot
    @odiroot 2 года назад +1

    Cameron, I think your intros are absolutely the USP of this channel. That's what separates you from others.

  • @rabornjohnson
    @rabornjohnson 2 года назад

    Super cool idea!

  • @andycordy5190
    @andycordy5190 2 месяца назад

    I watched this edition immediately after you video about solving writers block by using a randomly generated loop as a starting point.
    Almost right after your first cloning/ stretching/ reversing pass my brain wanted brass chords laid down out of sync with the counterpoint ( Does anybody really know what time it is by Chicago or maybe Earth Wind and Fire). I was suddenly possessed by the idea that I knew what your idea needed (I don't have that confidence or that competence).
    Cue lightbulb! 💡

  • @jrugeshjoshi6308
    @jrugeshjoshi6308 2 года назад

    Awesome, thank you.

  • @dvdny
    @dvdny 2 года назад

    Informative video, thanks for posting,

  • @jimmac
    @jimmac 2 года назад

    Just played around with this technique on my Dirtywave M8 and it sounds pretty amazing in seconds! Thank you for an amazing tip.

  • @frigi62
    @frigi62 2 года назад

    GREAT IDEA THAKS SO MUCH!!!

  • @griffingibson4389
    @griffingibson4389 2 года назад

    This is awesome. I love this. Will definitely play with this.

  • @ldp7090
    @ldp7090 2 года назад

    That was very cool thank you for sharing 😄

  • @markbelcher1777
    @markbelcher1777 2 года назад

    Wish I was home and not at the gym! Need to try this now! Thanks you again

  • @redwardmoon6345
    @redwardmoon6345 2 года назад

    This is great stuff just what I dig! Very trancy.
    Thanks for doing this vid!

  • @shadowfall2823
    @shadowfall2823 2 года назад +2

    Very interesting video, thanks for sharing this. I had no idea I could Alt drag on a MIDI region in Logic to "time stretch" the MIDI events, great to know.

  • @ticketless_applause7234
    @ticketless_applause7234 2 года назад

    Can’t wait to try this

  • @musiceclipse
    @musiceclipse 2 года назад

    I am very impressed with this approach and I hope to try it out soon. I do have to take issue with the title. Counterpoint, let alone fugue was unknown in 1300. Bach started on The Art of the Fugue in 1742 and, with many interruptions, continued working on it until 1749.

  • @jaimealvarez143
    @jaimealvarez143 2 года назад +1

    What a great tutorial. I am sorry I can't contribute as a patreon as I live inVenezuela and our credit cards are useless over the internet. I really enjoy your channel. Fantastic and very well explained information! Keep the great work my friend!

  • @hrorm
    @hrorm 2 года назад

    This is wonderful information for this old guitar player man ! :)

  • @jjc75019
    @jjc75019 2 года назад

    Works like a charm. Pick some good sounds and off to the races :-) Thanks for posting this.

  • @GrvMUSIC4U
    @GrvMUSIC4U 2 года назад

    This is my to go to video for writing ideas when i have a beatblock

  • @mudi2000a
    @mudi2000a 2 года назад

    Amazing!! Need to try this out!
    Thanks a lot!

  • @petrknedlik
    @petrknedlik 2 года назад

    I am seriously thinking about getting Bitwing thanks to you. So many cool and easy accessible features! 🤯

  • @peterelfman
    @peterelfman 2 года назад

    I saw the Fugue Machine video mentioned here. I got really excited, until I learned it was available for Mac users only. I'm super glad you made this video, Cameron, I'll try to play around with this myself.
    Also, apropos of the theme of this video.... I absolutely love the way your voice rumbles my sub-woofer, bro. I need your mic and to know how you process your own vocals. :D

  • @wmsi_t_k7086
    @wmsi_t_k7086 2 года назад

    love this technique

  • @Lordxfx
    @Lordxfx 2 года назад

    Just great. Thanks..

  • @ronami3176
    @ronami3176 2 года назад +1

    Sometimes RUclips really is magical.
    I was just thinking yesterday of trying to do the same thing in Bitwig after playing with Fugue Machine. And without researching if that has ever been done today this video pops up in my recommendations!
    I‘m stunned.
    The algorithm now can read minds.
    Or morphogenetic fields really do exist.
    What do i know.

  • @PavanSibal
    @PavanSibal 2 года назад

    Great idea. Love it.

  • @chitlun
    @chitlun 2 года назад

    Nice one an, a fun technique for sparking some ideas. Used Fugue Machine a fair bit but never thought to ‘transpose’ the concept to a DAW like this, cheers. Peace ✌️

  • @RolfSchild
    @RolfSchild 2 года назад

    Thanks for this video. Very helpful. You can also add halftime by cableguys to create an enhancement for this technique.

  • @sequenza
    @sequenza 2 года назад

    Like the background for Euronews

  • @jonprudhomme7694
    @jonprudhomme7694 2 года назад

    Funny, have been working on a Zoia patch to do something similar when I stumbled upon this. Sounds great, looking forward to finishing up my gadget.

  • @girlinagale
    @girlinagale 2 года назад

    Synthstrom Deluge can copy a couple of bars then paste into another clip of more bars, it stretches the midi over whatever size it pastes into.

  • @rogercawkwell5413
    @rogercawkwell5413 2 года назад

    Looking forward to using some of these techniques but combined with some through-composed parts and probably a few changes of chords.

  • @godkekliveshere431
    @godkekliveshere431 2 года назад

    This sounds so good.

  • @micksworldofdrums
    @micksworldofdrums 2 года назад

    Fantastic tutorial and such a great creative concept. Had a lot of fun using this technique in Cubase, though reverse didn't work, the Cubase equivalent seems to be "mirror". Love your channel. 🙂

  • @DocBolus
    @DocBolus 2 года назад

    Very cool idea

  • @EqDior
    @EqDior 2 года назад

    Very awesome trick!

  • @xMaSSxHyST3RiA
    @xMaSSxHyST3RiA 2 года назад

    Cool!!! Now I can make a lullaby if I ever need to lol

  • @SproutyPottedPlant
    @SproutyPottedPlant 2 года назад

    I ❤️ poking around with my Fugue machine!

  • @alainterieur794
    @alainterieur794 2 года назад

    I used to do that when I first started making music on FL Studio in the early 2000s.

  • @BWP-u3y
    @BWP-u3y 2 года назад +1

    Purdy cool indeed! I get lost tweaking sometimes... Stochas, Riffer, each of their levels operating different channels of different arp'd/sequenced soft-somethiingorothers. I may have to mess with this too! Can't believe I'll allow it to simplify anything, though. 😏

  • @aviralxdd
    @aviralxdd 2 года назад

    Seems very interesting for classical and soundtrack music (like you said).

  • @jennoscura2381
    @jennoscura2381 2 года назад +1

    This is brilliant! I am a stage in my music making abilities that I can only come up with short snippets. I will have to try this out to see if my short snippets can be turned into a full on song with this technique. I love the random aspect. I need to see if I can do the probability thing in Reaper.

  • @ackzz
    @ackzz 2 года назад

    Great info,-Thx 👍

  • @1000sofusernames
    @1000sofusernames 2 года назад

    Damn. Revelation moment. Going to revisit a lot of unfinished stuff that I couldn't quite get to get now.

  • @adamsmith7058
    @adamsmith7058 2 года назад

    There's also a Max 4 Live fugue machine style sequencer for Ableton. Can't remember who made it though. I've also seen a free device made for Bitwig that does this as well. This is a cool method though. Will give this a try later. It might also be interesting to route all these midi clips to a device like Autotonic that allows you to transpose to different keys/modes for greater variety in the sequence. You could do this in the piano roll of course, but I feel that some sort midi device would would be more dynamic and open to free and spontaneous improvisation.

  • @desoconnor7445
    @desoconnor7445 2 года назад

    Convincing use of the app🙏🏿🎩👍

  • @marklarm
    @marklarm 2 года назад

    Great video man. Love the sense of adventure with these techniques.

  • @tobins6800
    @tobins6800 2 года назад +2

    Minor addition to the background, a nice airy pad.

  • @Popbot
    @Popbot 2 года назад

    imho not very good for viewership to say that we should be making music instead fo watching youtube. Cause it's 100% true. Thaks for keeping me on track, please do that at the start of every video :)

  • @ttttiiimmy10bit
    @ttttiiimmy10bit 2 года назад

    Very nice. Thomas Newman vibes !

  • @sevenfifteen
    @sevenfifteen 2 года назад

    Another nice trick! Thank you :)

  • @Tabazan
    @Tabazan 2 года назад

    I'm doing this tonight . . Thanks