Should You Supercharge Your 4Runner?
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- I supercharged my 2021 4Runner and took it to the dyno. I ran the stock engine in a previous video and now we see the difference.
Stock Engine Dyno Video (Same 4Runner Setup: 35s, 4.88 gears):
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Timecodes:
0:00 - Intro
0:09 - Supercharger Initial Thoughts
0:53 - Magnuson Claimed Horsepower Numbers
1:51 - Dyno Run
2:19 - Dyno Results - Power Numbers Here
2:45 - Supercharger Thoughts After Dyno
2:55 - Supercharger Cost - Real Numbers
3:43 - Supercharger Numbers For Similiar Offroad Vehicles
4:10 - What About Transmission Tuning?
4:28 - Is The 4Runner Better With The Supercharger?
5:03 - Would I Buy The Supercharger Again?
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Does dynoing in 4WD lower the result in anyway? I'm guessing that added parasitic lost of power going through the 4WD system would do something to lower the numbers. I guess if you did the before and after tests the same way then you should be getting the right % at least. There is another video with rear wheel dyno test and they got substantially higher numbers. Just wondering if anyone knows. BTW - I just got one installed and I'd agree is good but not great. It's a noticable difference but the truck is still a slow truck... just not as slow. lol. Seriously, it is better up a grade or at high altitude, which is why I wanted it.
4wd does have more parasitic loss than 2wd.
I was comparing my 4wd SC run to a 4wd Stock run I did from this video: ruclips.net/video/eJ0IkgrGWu8/видео.htmlsi=wvFa-lJEioyxzUtR
Stock crank hp is 270 and Stock wheel hp is 198 - a 27% loss in power.
So if you apply that same wheel hp loss to the SC run, then 261 wheel hp would be approximately 357 theoretical crank supercharged hp.
Theoretical 357 crank SC hp - 270 stock crank hp = 87 hp gain at the crank. Compared to the dynoed 63hp actual gain at the wheels.
The problem is Magnuson claims 335hp at the crank which is a 24% increase in power over stock crank hp. And then in the same description they say 30% increase. None of the Magunson claimed numbers make sense to me.
After my testing, The real world hp gains that I got on my 4runner are somewhere between 63hp (actual wheel) and 87hp (theoretical crank).
@@DBCoffroad got it. The Magnuson website says, “this system delivers 30% MORE HORSEPOWER than stock and with an additional 28% MORE TORQUE output at just 6psi of boost. That's more than 335hp and 345lb-ft at the crank!” 30% more hp from 270hp is 351hp so their statement that it’s “more than 335hp” is still correct. It’s a strange way to put it but it’s accurate. Maybe they’re trying to point out that worse case is still more than 335hp. I’m guessing there are a lot of factors that can change the % number depending on exactly how you measure. You did a good apples to apples comparison so your data seems solid and being on the low end of the power increase can be bit of a bummer after spending a lot of money hoping to get more. My first impression on my truck, no data or actual testing done, is that on the low end it’s slightly better. Above 3500-4000rpm it’s actually quite a bit stronger. Climbing a steep grade with a fully loaded truck is night and day. It’s by no means a fast truck and just driving around town it’s only a little better but up a grade or passing at highway speed it’s actually a pretty big improvement. I’d spend the money again now that I’ve experienced it. Thanks for your video!
Thanks for sharing i watch your video seen you start modifying honestly i learn and help me decide also with my 4 runner project. Way to go buddy 👍
Hey thanks for watching! Glad I could help
This was an awesome video , Love the extra sounds great edit ! Keep up the great video!
You’re my number 1 fan. 🤘🏻
Interesting perspective from an actual owner/operator. Good videa and sound effects.
Thanks for watching! I appreciate the feedback.
Great video. Guys very genuine and honest. Cool sunglasses by the way!
Thanks!
Wow, after reading all of the pros and cons, I am glad I stayed with the stock size 265/70R17s and just did a 2" lift to increase ground clearance. Getting a winch installed this week and rock sliders but not much more weight than that. Since for most of us, overlanding is on 95% 15mph or 20mph roads to great places it will do what I need it for. Tow a overlanding/off road trailer built from a 6'x7' all aluminum military communications shelter that originally went in the back of a Humvee. Timbren suspension and lock and roll hitch. Around 1500 lbs and can step in and sleep at the end of the day. Have fun out there!
Wow, when you divide the price per HP it doesn't seem worth $140 per HP, but It also maintains the reliability with the increase. POV Driving with the hoodscoop always in sight is one of my favorite views. Great video!
Yea it’s a little pricey per HP. The 4Runner is better with it though.
I wish the hood scoop was functional. Then it would be even better! Thanks for watching!
Looks like a re-gear and a tune are in my future and I will gain that same feeling and the transmission will shift better with both of these things. Thanks for sharing
You were measuring horsepower at the wheels, they were measuring it at the crank. Either way, 261.13 / 198.46 = 1.315... which means you gained 31.5% hp.
I think this supercharger will feel worth it if you tow or drive up long mountain passes.
Another negative is having to switch to premium gas.
Yea. It's just expensive for that 31.5%.
It does feel better. The transmission now is the weak point. Still wants to shift up and down on higher altitude climbs.
Came here to say this.
Add more boost than 6psi, add custom tune, add intake system (a real one), add TBS, add a larger diameter exhaust, add long tube headers, and down size the tires to 34's. You should definitely feel the "great" you were looking for. It's a great looking 4runner by the way.
I have a SC on my 2020 4R and your video is spot on. All the pros and cons are well explained. Does is make the 4R run better? Yes, is it totally worth it, probably not. Great content.
Hey thanks for watching and the feedback!
I installed in my 2019 4Runner when it was new and have NO regrets! My SC added 29% power gains, so pretty much as advertised! Mine was done by the pros at awesome Toytech! Those guys are amazing!
My fuel economy was barely changed on the highway. Not enough to say it is hard on fuel.
That's awesome you enjoy it!
Now that I've had it a bit longer I'm glad I purchased it.
Where did you dyno it at? Any mods on tires or gearing before the dyno?
I think two things here, my thought is that Magnuson went for a "good as OEM" reliability and power improvement approach. EASILY, could you get get much higher numbers on this setup if you ran more boost. The reality is, if you went this route, and are still willing to go above and beyond, you could probably get a tuner and pursue higher boost at risk of longevity. Heck, you could even change the pulley ratio on the SC and push it to higher RPM. Really depends on what you want to do, but I have no doubt you can push a 4L V6 w/ a TVS1320 to nearly 400HP if you really wanted..
Totally agree - the goal was OEM Reliability. I'm not so much interested in pushing past the Reliability of the Toyota engine. My main gripe is the High cost of the SC while maintaining the Reliability. It doesn't quite add up to me. Thanks for the feedback!
@@DBCoffroad Magnuson is the OEM
Yes most people do not know that magnuson was the entity making this for toyota in the first place, and they happily handed this off to magunuson when they discontinued factory production.@@no55ah
Thanks for the honest feedback. Definitely a good perspective compared to the rave reviews on the forums.
Thanks for watching! Yea I don’t get it either.
Did you run the Dyno with regular or premium octane gas? Wonder if that could have influenced performance numbers. Thanks for sharing the knowledge! 👍
Both runs were with Premium. The supercharger also has to have premium at minimum.
Awesome videos! The level of detail and effort that you put into these videos is super impressive! What are your favorite additions that you’ve made to your 4runner? I have a 2021.
Hey thanks for the feedback!
My favorite mods were probably Rock Sliders, Larger tires, Regearing and Onboard Air.
- I've hit the rock sliders several times without even trying. I think they are more important than under body skids, just because you can usually pick a line to avoid scraping underneath.
- I think the 4Runner is undergeared from the factory especially if you go up in tire size, even to a 33".
- Larger more aggressive tires for better traction and durability when you go adventure. (I'd stick with 33 or 34" if I did it over again.)
- Onboard air compressor to air back up if you air down on the trails. Having it mounted and wired with a switch is very convenient.
Most of the other Mods I would do something different, or try to find a lighter version (front bumper, winch, skids, rear bumper, etc.)
Oh and if you just want to light money on fire, the Supercharger was a good choice. 😂
The very first mod I do on any vehicle is a catalytic converter shield, the one I got for for my 2021 trd offroad added alot of protection on the driveline on top of covering the converters, one of the toyota techs was telling me about a tacoma they had in the shop that had all 4 converters cut off and it was going to cost almost $5,000 in just part's. Converter theft is bad in and around the city here.
Great video Man.
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Gear coming soon :)
Thanks for watching and I appreciate the feedback!
I'm curious to see how the Pedal Monster/Commander will help with the supercharger. How do you like it?
@@DBCoffroad
Pedal monster doing a huge improvement on quick acceleration, transmission shift point ,No more death pedal .
@@cesar1981f good to know. thanks for the info!
I luv my Magnunsun SuperCharger but i have a upgraded exhaust and air intake Performance 4 x 4 did mines and they did it great!
Maybe I’ll have to get intake and exhaust then. 🤔
To put the costs into perspective, the original version marketed as TRD for the 2nd gen Tacoma was about $2500 in 2005 (so fall of 2004 or so). From 2011-2020, that same supercharger was $4500 to $5500.
When the 4Runner version came out around the timeframe when TRD partnering ended, it started off as $6500 (mainly due to the flasher being included). At $7500 now, it's really hard to justify, especially knowing that a dealer or someone you will eventually sell the 4Runner to gets to pretend like the SC adds $0 in value to the truck, if you are tempted to trade for another newer 4Runner, GX or something else more premium in the Toyota or Lexus lineup.
Yea I agree with you.
I think it’s worth the money if you are going to keep the 4Runner for an extended period of time. Long term it can pay for itself
Hey, glad I found this video.
2020 TRD Orp 4Runner here, installed my SC about a year ago. Running similar weight and setup as you.
Worth it (for me) 100%, price be damned. Ran into one issue, let me explain.
I average 15.5mpg cruise, ~10 mpg if I lead-foot in town. Using Mag's "weekend warrior tune".
Also went the DYI route, took me a solid weekend to install. But it's perfect. Plus a custom pump reroute due to winch clearances. Have almost 7500 miles on the system so far no problem at all, otherwise.
Now for the reason I am reaching out. Has anyone heard of the torque limiter on later edition 5th gens?
I have one issue that I have yet to find an a clear answer/fix on.
ECU/Transmission electronic limiting during 0-60 full throttle pulls. Only in 1st.
Like a on off on off on off type of deal. Like 100% throttle, 80, 100, 80. Etc.
Other notes, I have the S&B cold air with k/n cone, and magnaflow overland pro exhaust.
Napkin math with all current mods, (no dino, glad I found you), puts me right in the range of ~415 hp at the crank.
Maybe zealous to say, but if I am indeed hitting this limiter (400Hp/tq), then wtf.
I tried to find a decent performance shop in the SE-USA that can help, all I get we don't work on those.
BTW Magnuson's support straight told me, there is an electronic throttle limiter in 1st, it is an issue and they don't know much more.
Anyways thought I reach out. Thank
Hey! Glad you like your supercharger.
I get around 12mpg average with the 35s and 4.88 gears.
So you have a custom tune with the supercharger?
I'm curious how you napkin math to 415 crank hp. Magnuson claims 335hp at the crank. AFE makes an intake where they claim it adds 24 hp. Exhaust is 5-10hp on a good day. So even high numbers are 369hp. Is your tune making up the difference to 415? (46 additional hp?) That's pretty impressive!
Transmission: I haven't heard of a torque limiter, but that makes sense. The transmission constantly wants to upshift even though it might be pulling strong in 2nd or 3rd gear. I really want a tune for the transmission to make sure all the supercharger power is on tap. To me it's like a body builder that skipped leg day. More power, but it doesn't seem all useable.
Now that I've had it for a while, the biggest benefit seems to be at higher speeds. Like passing on the highway, that's when I really notice a difference in power.
Thanks for reaching out!
Hey,
No custom tune outside of what Magnuson provides for install. I picked the weekend warrior tune, no idea on the real difference between the three they offer.
Still looking for a shop I can trust nearby that actually works on 5th gens to get a pro tune. Also I am on 33s - Yoko Geos, no gear swap yet. So diff ratio's than you for sure.
I am estimating higher gains to the SC due to the CAI increased airflow (~40% advertised increase airflow) really lets the SC get all the air it wants. I am betting the SC is pulling closer to a 90 hp gain, likely more.
They claim 30% on a good day, which is higher then the 335 they advertise. 30% gain on the stock 270hp is 81 hp.
So call it 90hp.
I was told the exhaust adds closer to ~25 hp (stock is very restrictive).
CAI adds up to ~35 hp (as advertised)
Easily the #1 performance upgrade for you folks out there on the fence. S&B CAI check them out, it's worth it. Paired with a pedal commander, it REALLY wakes that engine up and the intake sound is badass.
Sooo.. that gets me in the 145 hp over stock range. 270 +145 = 415hp
The only clue that I am pushing over the 400 range is the throttle limiter kicking in. Which from my research is 400 ft/lb of torque.
Again it only happens from dead stop pulls. Rolling starts she absolutely rips no pull back.
Now, there is a possibility that I am much lower than my estimate, but the during hard 1st gear pulls the ECU/Trans is detecting a surge or spike of power and pulling the throttle back (to prevent trans damage), even if on a dyno it is realistically is in the 375 range.
Shrugs, I won't really know until I get a proper dyno.. hence why I am reaching out to other 4runner bros, I had a good convo with @OverlandEngineer on the subject a few weeks back.
Also I am running good 93 octane gas.
Getting ready to road trip pulling about 3000 pounds of RV camper, my first tow with the SC and other mods. Just installed an aftermarket trailer brake controller as well, all plug and play.
Thanks for the feedback.
I'll keep you posted!@@DBCoffroad
How much horsepower and torque would it give it if you put an intake, exhaust, and a tune? I’ll be getting another 4Runner soon and planned on supercharging it but now I’m having second thoughts. Thanks for the video!
From what I've see online you could maybe expect 20hp and then be happy/surprised if its more than that.
The supercharger is the best power adder you can get for the 5th Gen. Unfortunately its just very expensive.
Any interest in waiting to buy the 2024 4Runner?
I'm sure it will have the same hybrid engine as the new Tacoma. 326hp/465tq is impressive.
Love the blower on my '17 and I manually shift it everywhere since day 1. And the thing rips now even with my stock 3.73s on 33's. For context Ive raced ecoboost F150s and 6.2 Silverados and I pull all of em every time and the dudes are pissed they got walked by a 4 runner LOL. Im going 4:56 w air locker soon and Patagonia MT02 35's that only weigh 3lbs more than my Nitto ridge grappler 33's and cannot wait for the easier get up and go. Supercharger on these is a must just for the way the transmission shifts (doesnt down shift anymore!) on highways and grades ..it just stays in higher gear and handles it! Truck drives the way it should from factory with the blower. Do it big and do it all. Gears and boost. 4:88s with boost is what youll need for 37's (if your doing marlin crawler front end) otherwise if 35s is endgame and a blower 4:56 should keep speedo more correct for 34.5's and help with top end. West Texas has 85mph speed limit and trust me going 100 with everyone else is nice to do in a 4R. We went for hours in a group of 5-6 mixed vehicles everyone was going 110 and the 4runner was hangin w deleted Ram diesel and a scat pack challenger no prob w the Magnussen. It takes minutes to get a stock 4R up to 90mph downhill if your lucky. Who cares if its 7-8k the vehicles last forever and resell is always great on em. You have to rebuild the blower every 100k miles tho. Its part of the game.
Right on. Glad you've had such a positive experience. Do you have any additional weight with bumper/racks/etc? Thanks!
Well said...Changing gears with bigger tires is an ideal solution but even if you decide to run it all stock, Torque is the secret to calming all of the gear roaming down on these Gen5 beasts & superchargers provide that... I wonder even. if the supercharger wouldn't prolong the transmission long-term in certain stock / on road configurations cutting the shifts by half... The torque in my 4.7 V8 Gen 4 allows me to hang out in gears simply because of having torque at low RPM & low throttle input ridding the torque. I Could never pull it off in my stock 17 Off Road Plus .
"For context Ive raced ecoboost F150s and 6.2 Silverados and I pull all of em every time and the dudes are pissed they got walked by a 4 runner LOL"
No you dont. F150 Ecoboosts and 6.2L Silverados are dipping into the 13's in the 1/4 mile bone stock and are making as much power at the wheels stock as your 4Runner makes at the crank with an $8000 supercharger.
I also have the Magnuson supercharger on my 2023 4Runner. While it doesn't turn it into a rececar, it's a night and day difference. You're basically getting strong v8 performance instead of dated v6 performance. It comes on starting at about 2,200 RPM and scales up quickly as RPM's rise. It eliminates most of the gear hunting and gives way more passing ability. By far the best mod I've done.
I mostly agree. However, I don’t think it feels like a V8 by any means. It’s just different than I expected, especially from how other people rave about it online.
Strong V8 is a stretch. Most V8 half tons these days are up in the 300-320 whp range. Ecoboost F150's on 93 octane and the stock tune are pushing 350-360 whp. I think I saw some 5.7L Land Cruiser dynoing around 290 whp stock.
This seems to put this somewhere in between 17 year old 4.6L and 5.7L Toyota V8's.
You may have some parasitic losses due to your rolling mass with the larger tires that in itself eats some of the gain, I know you dyno'd it pre-supercharged with the same set up, but it might be possible that the gains are reduced with heavier rolling mass. I have a 2020 4runner with 34's and an ICON Stage 3 suspension. I didn't supercharge, but I did Re-Gear to 4.56 and it drives fantastically.
The Re-gear (East Coast Gear 3rd members) was probably $4500 (I can't remember exactly). I average right at 16.6 mpg with mixed driving and have put about 18,000 miles on since all of those upgrades, no issues at all.
I agree about the larger tires. Overall having to do the Dyno in 4wd also could have effected the numbers. I kept the conditions the same for both runs so I could at least see a apples to apples gain. I wish I would have Dyno'd a stock 4Runner to really see the difference the tires and gears make.
I did do a regear to 4.88s and agree it drove great with just that. I recommend regearing to EVERYONE, it is the best upgrade you can do for performance on the 4Runner in my opinion. Thanks for watching!
@@DBCoffroad Oh Yes, great point, I bet a 2wd run would push more power to the rear wheels. You def have drivetrain losses by splitting the power to both difs.
Magnuson was an OEM fit part, you can get more from other brands but with other caveats like premium fuel only, extra injector
The current supercharger requires premium fuel only.
You mentioned the price was $1000 cheaper pre Covid on the SC for your 2021 4R. How could Magnuson raise the price of the supercharger post Covid when they didn't even release the supercharger for 2020-2022 model 4Runners until Fall of 2021? Also, no tax on the SC in many states... I didn't get charged tax in Missouri.
Good catch.
They already made the supercharger for 2010-2019 4Runners which was $5,995 Pre-Covid. Then Post-Covid, that same supercharger is now $6,995.
The 2020+ models have a different ECU/programming to crack because of the new push button/safety sense features. The supercharger hard parts are the same from 2010-2023, it just requires new tune/programming for the 2020+ models. Which raised the price of the 2020+ superchargers to $7,295.
If you don’t get charged tax then you score. I was just throwing out the figures that I had to pay.
Thanks for watching! Let me know if you have any other questions.
Thanks for your insight. Seems like it’s not as beneficial as many others have reported.
Thanks for watching.
The behind the wheel feel is better. But the numbers are not great for the price for sure.
Would you not throw a cold air intake on as well? Also, maybe a new exhaust... I am thinking of doing all this but I have not researched it all enough. please comment if can not add all this with a SuperCharger.
You can add all this with the Supercharger. A friend of mine has intake and exhaust on his. Maybe I need him to go to the Dyno. Magnuson asks questions about tire size, gears, intake and exhaust before they send you the tune to flash. I just need to reach out to them and see if the tune can be recalibrated with those add ons.
Nice, good luck and post another video when you are done. I would like to see the overall results before I dive into a 10k upgrade you know.. Thanks for the video.
@@Blackirishize For sure. Thanks for watching!
I am just wondering here, but it seems like just adding a super charger without updating the exhaust and tuning the transmission is only doing half the job. You increase the engines ability to breath in, but breathing out is restricted and putting that extra power to the tires is also restricted.
The magnuson SC was designed to work with stock intake and exhaust. It is definitely possible to get more out of the engine with more mods. But that wasn't the point of this video. Thanks for watching
Have you considered doing the interior sound mod?
Interior sound mod?
You rocking 34's /35's? That's going to kill some Power & torque VS stock wheels... TRD Pros have (I believe) 33's & it goes down every trim level all the way to the striped SR5... So which rim & tire size did Magnuson test to put in their Specs? (Perhaps the dyno can be calibrated for wheel & tire size & I'm way off base also...)
Yea I think tires size and weight will make a difference. I did another video with the same setup without the SC for the comparison to try and make it apples to apples as possible. Thanks for the feedback!
Where did you get it installed and dyno? I also live in the Reno Area.
Silver State Offroad did the install. Street 2 Sand did the dyno. 🤘🏻
How is this holding up? And is it ok to be used as a daily, that drives some what a lot?
Works just fine. I have about 25,000 miles on the 4R now. I daily drive it. The only downside is 12mpg. But I think that's mostly from the weight/gears/35s.
Upgrade air intake do a full k&n set up. Get a smaller pulley on the super charger and get it perfectly tuned on the dyno. If you got that much invested already you mine as well spend another 500$ and get the other 60 hp
We’ll see. I’m not sure how much the 4.0 V6 can take. It’s not like an American V8 with power to the moon.
@@DBCoffroad no but it is a bullet proof engine.
@@skoolynugenator1802 true true. It will run forever unmodified. But I like to spice things up a bit.
Magnuson specifies no mods and only to use stock intake and exhaust. If you want to use an intake and exhaust, you need a tune for that to get the most out of it. Custom tunes are expensive.
A few things to note here. You had the 4 Runner placed on a dynometer in 4WD, and that alone will cause about a 30% parasitic loss. Run the numbers again using only RWD and you will get +81whp and around +73TQ. I believe this is how Magnuson determined their gains. I met the tuner who cracked the ECU and created the stock CA91 map for these 5th Gen 4 Runners over at Westcott Designs yesterday. He stated he can get more power out of the kit without changing pulley. By the way, if you throw about 4 gallons of E85 in with along with 19 gallons of 91 fuel in the tank, the supercharger definitely gets a jump. It's noticeable.
I appreciate the feedback. If I am mistaken by any of the following, please let me know. I would love to learn more.
My understanding:
I ran the stock engine under the same conditions (4wd) in a prior video. With the stock engine, 35s, 4.88 gears and 4wd it had a 27% parasitic loss to the wheels. 270 crank hp down to 198whp.
Then I supercharged the engine and ran it in the same conditions (35s, 4.88 gears and 4wd) and pulled 261hp at the wheels. 261whp-198whp = 63 whp.
Magnuson advertised a 335 crank hp increase from the super charger. 335-270=65 total crank hp increase. Which is in line with the 63 hp increase at the wheels I got.
Again, If I misunderstand something, please let me know.
Thanks!
NEVER RUN E85 IN ANYTHING!
If your are going run any amount of E85, you really need to scale up fueling or you will cause a lean condition
I noticed the discrepancy between the 30% number and listed numbers of HP/Torque on Magnuson's site. I feel like that's pretty misleading. I installed the Magnuson in my 2021 and I do enjoy it, but yeah feels a bit underwhelming for $7K... however, it's a trade off I am willing to make if this supercharger can withstand the test of time. I am running stock size KO2s, with not too much weight added (rock sliders, roof rack).
One thing I noticed is the supercharger makes using a pedal commander more enjoyable. Pre-supercharger, the PC would cause the vehicle to sporadically jump gears, very annoying and way too touchy/sensitive. The experience with the PC is MUCH improved with the supercharger added, especially on mountain highways here in colorado. Gives it some nice zip.
Yea the discrepancy is misleading. Plus there are no actual dyno graphs for the 2020+. I feel like they are theoretical numbers and not hard tested numbers.
That’s a good point. If you keep the 4Runner for 200k+ miles then I suppose it pays for itself over time with the added performance.
Good to know about the pedal commander! I just ordered one and am going to test it out myself.
Thanks for the feedback!
@@DBCoffroad my advice on the PC, even with the supercharger installed, is to not set the PC to it's most aggressive setting. I like to keep it in the middle setting, provides improved throttle response without feeling like it's "too much"... but it's worth testing and getting a feel for what you like. Anyways great video! I have been waiting for someone to make a video on the supercharger for the 2020+ 4Rs for awhile now.
@@nolo3 Awesome! Thanks for the info!
Despite what Magnusson says, if you want to get full use from the SC do you need to mod the full intake/exhaust system and tune truck?
They don’t recommend Intake. There are only a few that are specifically designed to work with the SC. They said exhaust is fine. And they only produce 1 tune.
I’d just be worried about pushing the 4.0L past its limits if you go aftermarket with tuning. But I could be wrong 🤷🏻♂️
@@DBCoffroad I'm in Dubai. There's 2 shops here that have been tuning the 1gr-fe since it came out, for flying across the dunes. The supercharger definitely pushes power up more than a tune with intake/exhaust!
Then, of course, there's the shop owners who have a financial interest in building their own cars as marketing tools. Supercharger, intake, full exhaust, cat delete, tune (+700rpm)....they even mod the transmission. +100hp & tq no problem
@@randomuser6306 How long do the engines last? Seems like a lot of horsepower/boost
@@DBCoffroad the super adds a lot of power, but the tune, intake & headers, exhaust + cat delete, and tune can add maybe 15hp. Mostly it's about the power curve and rpm cutoff going higher, without the redline bounce.
Engines last like normal - it's crazy overbuilt as you know, and they're in the offroad shop on a bi-weekly basis anyways, so they last a long time. 200k on my Prado and it's driving like it's new.
U should get a pedal commander like roar pedal they have different drive modes i love it 🥇🥇🥇🔥🔥
I loved the video and you answered many of my concerns. I’m still amazed with this platform that no one has yet to make performance parts for these engines. You can buy every part imaginable for a 4Runner, but performance parts are non existent. I would love for someone to make a heads and cam package along with a list of other things for my 4Runner. The price to result of a Supercharger has always been my drawback. Too expensive and not very little return. I would love to have 375-500hp on Tap. That’s not asking a lot and it would definitely wake that truck up. Someone has got to be intelligent enough to make parts that actually pull the HP out that engine. Just my 2 cents ✌️
My exact thoughts, this and the taco have larger aftermarkets than most other vehicles, but when it comes to tuning and performance very few worthy options. It seems like the best bang for your buck is OVTune at this point
Thanks for the feedback and watching!
You bring up a very solid point. Just about every other engine can be modded. Like old school Supra motors, BRZ motors (even though that’s a Subaru. Now that I think about it, the New Supra is a BMW. Does Toyota have any performance of their own?)
Anyway. Honda, Subaru, Ford, Chevy, BMW, or whatever all have performance mods. Weird…
I think as far as just Tuning goes it’s because Toyota encrypts their ECUs so they can’t be modded. Other companies basically hand tuners the cheat codes and let them have fun. 🤷🏻♂️
I can’t believe you ran it on the dyno in 4H in those gears. The manual says to not go over like 50-55 in 4H, iirc.
I will agree that it seems partially insane.
What I found in the manual is that in order to SHIFT from 2H to 4H the speeds need to be below 50mph.
I wasn’t able to find any “Top Speed” limitations in 4x4.
However, if it doesn’t feel right for your 4Runner then just err on the side of caution and don’t go that fast. 🤷🏻♂️
Thanks for watching though!
What made you decide to go with the Magnuson over the ProCharger?
The Magnuson is a Roots style. Which in theory pulls power from 0 RPM.
The Procharger is Centrifugal. Which sort of builds boost like a turbo and ramps up over time.
I've talked with people with both and it just seems like Magnuson was preferred.
For a FAR BETTER explanation, watch this video. Engineering Explained is amazing: ruclips.net/video/oHEulOcU7jY/видео.htmlsi=YdDELI4uDfNlTPA1
How many miles do you have on the supercharger? Mines at 1500 miles and when temps dropped to 15° I noticed a pulley would make a little noise and go away when it warmed up. Now it makes the noise if temps drop below 40° then goes away when warmed up.
I have about 3000 miles now. I don’t have any pulley noise issues. I wonder if the tensioner needs adjusting. Where did you get it installed?
@@DBCoffroad I got it installed at a Magnuson certified dealer. I didn’t buy from them, but had them install it. It’s probably the tensioner, as the belt gets cold it probably stiffens up, then loosens up when it warms up. It only makes noise on cold days then goes away when the engine bay warms up. On a warm day it doesn’t make any noise.
@@willskip2795 Have you asked the install shop what they thought?
@@DBCoffroad I haven’t had time to drop by the shop. But I did take the belt off and spin the idlers and tensioners by hand and nothing made a noise. When I put the belt back on I noticed the sound in cold temperatures was almost completely gone. It’s just barely faint and lasts only for a few seconds now. (It dropped to 34° here last night)
It is your tensioner. They shipped these kits with 2 types of Dayco tensioners. A cheap one, that makes noise at colder temps and a much stouter one.
pick up the aFe Intake + ProDryS Filter, 10+ FJ Cruiser, 4Runner V6 w/Magnuson Supercharge from URD it adds a lot over the stock intake
I've seen some claims that it adds around 20hp. That's alot. I'll have to check it out. Thanks!
OK, thanks. But there was not a word about the engine reliability which apparently couldn't stay the same...
Specifically what do you mean in regards to engine reliability? What information are you seeking? Thanks!
After doing both re gearing and now supercharger. Worth to just do the re gear?
I would regear no matter what.
4.56s if you are gonna stay with 33” tires.
4.88 for 35s.
@@DBCoffroad sounds good. Will definitely do!
Towing review on before and after?
I made a couple videos. I still have to film the supercharger tow video. The weather in Reno has been snow and cold for so long.
On 33s no gears.
ruclips.net/video/PeN1T9tQxgk/видео.html
On 35s with 4.88 gears.
ruclips.net/video/rN4ZEs5EGeM/видео.html
I've owned 5 4Runners Gens 3-5... put over a million miles on all combined, both V6's & V8's... The gear spacing on the Gen 5's is too wide for the inadequate amount of torque the V6 puts out... This is why it continually searches for gears in hilly highway areas... On that same note, I put nearly 400k mi on a gen 4 V6... Reliability is the beauty as we know with 4Runners... I sold superchargers at one point in my career & most naturally aspirated engines are simply not engineered for it... If you have a bullet proof & reliable foundation (Like the V6 then you can get away with 50-60 Hp which although isnt a ton... It provides enough torque to prevent the incessant cycling of gear shifts & gives some needed acceleration out of the hole.. Other than exhaust, induction & tune which might bump you another 15-20hp... Thats about all you really want to do if you want to get the crazy reliability 4R's are known for... If you try to get the power through smaller pulleys & boost, your rings will suffer as will long term reliability...
Dang that’s a lot of miles. Which was your favorite 4Runner?
Totally agree with everything you said. The engine was purpose built for reliability. I don’t fault Toyota for that. I also don’t want to crank it past the limit of reliability. Magnuson set the tune and pulley size for a reason. I don’t want to compromise the engine by trying to draw more power from it.
@@DBCoffroad Well, I loved them all... LOL! This might be long winded... The gen 3 limited was a sweety even though it was smaller than Gens 4 & 5 I still loved it... I had a 2017 Gen 5 TRD Off Road Premium which was super SWEET but not perfect... It needed supercharging which I never got to unfortunately but... I am living vicariously through you because I want another one but dont trust that I will vibe with the new inline 4 turbo coming out...Perhaps I will but not sure & if not, I will buy the last year Gen 5 Sport with all the luxuries I want & then supercharge, 35's bumper & winch & perhaps some gearing reduction or not... (To get to the original question)... I currently drive a 2005 Sport with the 4.7 V8 & its my favorite... Out of the box it was a monster & at 195k, its still a monster...It hasn't lost an ounce of pep...Love it... But... : ) that said, I believe the ultimate combo would be a gen 5 with a transplanted 4.7 V8 with mild supercharging... Toyota said that as far as reliability & durability, the 5.7 & 4.7' V8s were the toughest engines they have ever built... The straight 6 in the Land Cruiser is bullet proof but heavy & not an easy fit for 4Runners... I saw a RUclipsr that shoehorned a Supercharged 5.7 into his Gen5 but I question weight balance & handling... A version of the 4.7 is in the Lexus RCF screaming at high RPMs & its in the Tundra line as the smaller engine option hauling & pulling... Also, I know for fact that the 5.7 is a lot less gas efficient, I had 4 employees with Tundras... My V8 now still gets about 20mpg on highway & my gen 5 got about the same for how I had to put my foot in it with trans gearing... Anyway, love these trucks... Great Video... Keep the content flowing, Ive sent your channel to all my buds... Great Job!
@@Liberty-Works1111 Great stuff!
I would be interested in the new turbo engine mostly because boosted engines just "feel" quicker even if they don't necessarily have more power. And hopefully better fuel economy.
I still think the V8 4runners are the best. More grunt that any V6. I have seen videos of the 5.7 Tundra engine swaps into a couple 5th Gens. Seems very expensive though and not common with parts. Lots of custom work.
Thanks for the feedback! Glad you are enjoying the content.
@@DBCoffroad Agreed... I'm not dead bent against a super robust decent displacement turbo blown 4 if it has crazy torque (turbos are known for torque) & Toyota reliability... but lets be honest... I cant imagine a turbo (used to sell those too) lasting a quarter million miles...Hi heat, exhaust corrosion & ball bearings arent the best recipe for longevity...I wont be a first adopter... I have a friend that works for the company that supplies all the turbo components for Fords ECO Boost & I could tell you some crazy stories... I will let the Monetized RUclipsrs beat the shit out of them for a couple years before I put my toe in the water. lol... Great bantering with you bro... Ill look for your content.
@@Liberty-Works1111 Tell me the stories! I have a Bronco Badlands that’s supposed to arrive this month and I’m still on the fence to get it or not.
What is the MPG now? And what was before the Magnusson?
Good point. Forgot to actually add that.
About 13.5 average before supercharger. 12.5 after. Supposedly you can get better highway mileage cruising without mashing the gas. But, you buy a supercharger to mash the gas. 🤷🏻♂️
@@DBCoffroad thank you for your answer.
I have a Magnusson on my 2018 4Runner and love it. You are probably already aware of this, but Magnusson tune is dialed way down. There are other tunes out there that Magnusson dealers speak of that will unleash this supercharger, but the trade off would be to much pressure and blown engine. Decisions, decisions! 🤣
Haha. I hear you.
Did you do any of the aftermarket tunes?
@@DBCoffroad I have not, tempted, but haven't. What about you?
@@tedwarkentin2211 I haven’t. And most likely won’t. I want to maintain any sliver of reliability left even if it’s boosted. Especially going Offroad in the middle of no where. If it was a street car that I could get towed easily, then hell yes. Haha
@@DBCoffroad Agreed, I'm happy with mine. Had almost 2 years and zero issues.
Did you try doing a custom tune ?
I have not yet. I've considered it. I just want to keep the reliability as high as possible.
Yikes, at the gains per dollar spent. I was looking at this for my Taco but the gains you get just dont seem to be worth what your spending. Its really unfortunate because this variant of Magnuson's SC system makes around 440 horsepower on the Wrangler/Gladiator 3.6 so im assuming the bottleneck might be how toyota built the engine :(
Totally agree with everything you said. Jeep just had more modification potential. Guess that’s why Toyota is so reliable.
Thanks for watching!
The supercharger wins at the most one shot power increase you’ll get for a 4Runner, but it’s tough to justify the price. For well under $1000 you can get a tune to run 91 and probably get half the under the curve gains of the supercharger. Very noticeable gains, far less $$$
I agree with you 100%. I wish I would have tried the tune first.
Have you tried a tune?
How about to run 93? The Sunoco and shell gas stations offer 93!
@@TheShiningOnes there no 93 that I’ve seen in Reno.
@@DBCoffroad oh ok, well now we have 94 here in Jersey via Sunoco, so now I wonder.
You’re comparing wheel numbers to their crank numbers and did you run it in 4wd? Odd to see front end rolling. You’d definitely see more in 2wd.
My understanding is that you will have the same parasitic loss for Wheel horsepower with Stock and Supercharged. The parasitic loss was the same between my stock run and supercharged run. They both had 35s and 4.88 gears.
The 2020+ 4Runners won’t Dyno in 2wd because of the new Safety Sense. It is possible to pull fuses and find some work around, but at the time I just did 4wd to set a comparable baseline.
Thanks for watching!
The real world weakness of the 5th gen is the trans. Reliable of course, but too few gears. There's enough power, it just can't get to the road well with the 5 speed. A supercharger to overcome that is just a bridge too far for me personally. Fun exercise, though, to see, thanks for posting a good video.
I completely agree with you. At least the new 2025 has an upgrade to the transmission. Thanks for watching!
It's not about peak horsepower/torque, it's really about the power under the curve.
I would generally agree. I also wanted to see if the advertised figures were accurate.
Was it just a bolt on and that’s it
A shop installed it. I went over in the video how Magnuson makes one of the best install guides there is. You could do it in your garage on your own with the right tools and time.
This is why I am on the fence. Its almost 10K for ho hum.
Yea. There's a lot of other parts you can buy with the SC money.
There’s no turning I can do to bump up the horse power.
TUNING? There are tunes or mods. Not sure if they are worth it in the long run though. They will probably drastically reduce reliability and engine life.
I would regear 4.56 or 4.88 not the supercharger. Trd cold air intake and flowmaster exhaust and tune, 4.56 gears
Probably the best choice.
Overland Tailor can tune the transmissions on 2020+ and they also do supercharger tunes… just saying 😛
Interesting. I'll have to check it out. Thanks!
Can you still run a pedal commander with this?
Yes you can. I’ve been told this will alleviate some of the issues I’ve had with the transmission and slow throttle. I just need to purchase one and try it out. Thanks for watching!
@@DBCoffroad I know without the supercharger, that's the impression I've had with what I've read in the forums. If you don't mind, maybe hit this comment a response when you nab one as I'm curious. Thank you for the very insightful and honest video!!
@@velocitydreamer Purchased! Give me a couple weeks and a video should be out. Thanks for the feedback!
Maybe have to go with a re-gear
It is. 4.88 gears. 😉
Wow. That's 1,700 lbs. more than my '09 SR5 (stock).
Beefy
Did you regear?
Yes I did. 4.88s.
Thanks for watching!
Did you upgrade your brakes also?
No. They definitely need an upgrade now. Its heavy and I have to make sure I slow down sooner at lights.
Any suggestions for upgrades?
@@DBCoffroad No suggestions, the Runner’s brakes are mediocre from factory…with all the upgrades I am sure it is very heavy.
@@Thankyou_3 I've seen a kit from PowerStop that I'll try soon and make another video.
@@DBCoffroad my only advise is buy parts with a good warranty
@@Thankyou_3 good call.
I have the EVC throttle controller on my 4Runner; the results are amazing. $209, you install it yourself in ten minutes, and it makes a huge difference. You may wish to try it.
Good to know! Thanks for the info.
@@DBCoffroad A 20% increase in acceleration thanks to a $209 chip? Don't take my word for it, but check out this demonstration: ruclips.net/video/cuP-I5ysGV4/видео.html
I watched the video. Those engines were diesels in the demonstration. I wonder what the difference in gas engines would be. I guess I'll have to buy one and do a video to find out. Thanks for the info!
@@DBCoffroad My 5th gen 4Runner is another machine since I installed it. And in the the EV mode, it's perfect to make the 4L much less jerky. Phenomenal little gadget.
Get a tune and get smaller pulleys to increase horses
Where from?
Did you into using something like a Pedal Commander?
I have always been skeptical of those. I used one on a truck I had before and didn't care for it much. Several people have recommended it though so I might have to try it out.
What do you think about them?
@@DBCoffroad I've only seen them in use on other channels like TRD JON and Untamed Motors. They seem to work well on 4Runners. Definitely cheaper than $10k.
@@andyleo8418 yea I just looked them up. $300. Guess I have a new video review to do. Thanks!
@@DBCoffroad Sure. TRD JON just tested another throttle enhancer from ShiftPower USA on his Tundra. You might want to do a comparison between the two units.
Well forsure the gas mileage is better and it’s still really reliable probably get a shorter pulley and add a shot of NOS lol if you want some more performance 😂
Mmmmm NOS. Now we're talking. HaHa! Thanks for watching!
Get a pedal commander if you want more of the line power put one on my fj made all the difference in the world
I got one. It does make a difference. Thanks!
Can’t rely on only a supercharger for hp. If you want a sleeper 4runner, then proceed with an engine build.
or LS swap.... haha
How well does it tow now with the blower.
I still haven’t towed with it yet. The weather in Reno has been terrible this year. For instance, it’s May and it snowed last night.
I’ll be doing another Tow video soon. 👍🏻
Regear?
Yup. 4.88s
Would be worth it for a 3 grand supercharger, not for almost 8
3 grand would be sweet! Honestly I think the sweet spot would be $5,000 + Install. That's the highest thats tolerable to the average 4Runner owner for what you get in performance.
@duy mai Sounds like a better idea
@duy mai gx doesn’t make more power than the 4Runner with another 25k on purchase price. I think it is 30-40 hp.
I have a 2022 Ford Ranger Tremor. My Ranger with just the Ford Performance Tune ( Keeps factory warranty ) Dynoed 288hp and 333tq through 32" tires. For the price and power this thing makes, this Supercharger seems like a rip off...
Tuning turbos are always more cost effective. That’s pretty good for a 2.3L.
You have a different application not to mention it is a turbo vs a 15 year old N/A engine. Aside from that, a Magnuson 4Runner will make more power than your tuned Ranger with a proper tune. There is more room for adding additional power afterwards too.
There are bolt on + E85 ford rangers making 375hp and 445tq. I have never seen a supercharged tacoma make anywhere near these numbers. The V6 in toyota are DUDS@@tacoteng2095
if you would put stock size tires on you would be fine.
Who wants stock tires?!?
@@DBCoffroad well, I have stock, Trd off-road tires those are fine and to answer your question I do
@@DBCoffroad notice I said stock size so I have Nitto grapplers 265, 7017s and they’re great
@@Chuckles527 Touché. Thanks for the correction. 👍🏻
Yikes the Ford Ecoboost in a bronco dynos higher stock with more torque
Yuuuuup.
RWD vs crank hp
Correct. I did a previous video without the supercharger for comparison. Wheel hp vs wheel hp for the 63hp gain at the wheels. Thanks for watching!
Precisely why we went with the Outback Wilderness. Way more power! Enjoy the Toyotas with no power and less tech.
I mean… that’s comparing apples to oranges. Completely different platform and end goals. To each their own though. Thanks for watching!
This kit needs a smaller pulley and a better tune. 100hp gain is better for thr money.
Totally agree. Know where to find both?
Factory tune SUCKS! Get with OTT (Overland Tailor Tuning). You should gain around 30whp or better with a simple tune. My 2nd gen Tacoma is making 287rwhp/317rwtq after the OTT tune. Only other mods I have are AFE Intake and a performance muffler. Your 4runner should be better (don't dyno in 4WD). I may mess with a smaller pulley down the road but for now I'm pretty happy.
Yours is supercharged with the OTT tune?
To the crank, not to the wheels man
Can you please elaborate on what you mean?
If I made an error, I would like to learn. Thanks!
8k..................................... ohhhhhh my lol maybe ill go witth the instake, exhaust along with a tune and see what i get lol
Probably safest. 🤘🏻
Good to know very disappointing and will save money 😊
It's all just information.
What a whiner. What better options do you have?
Thanks for watching!
Them tall big tires take lots of that hp
Oh for sure.
The entire world saw a significant rise in cost post Covid. How is this a surprise or complaint against this company. Magnuson is probably a very low volume player in supply chain so I’m sure they took it in the shorts
Should we normalize something negative if everyone is doing it?
Still doesn’t make it any less unattainable…
Get Overland Tailor Tuning.... OTT. Night and day.
For a stock 4runner? or SC?
2wd / 4th gear pull is how your dyno runs should've been performed... 😕
Should have.... agreed. The traction control kept taking over.
I have a 2019 trd pro 4 runner with the magnuson supercharger. Come light hundred dollar bills on fire at the gas pump with me brother!
😂😂😂 for sure 🤘🏻
10k for 63 crank hp? That's like 50 whp. No way! I have a 21 OR. I'd never blow 10k on this.
It was 63whp. So it’s more like 85-86 at the crank. And yea, it’s definitely not for everyone. 🔥💵
Most good things in life are usually worth overpaying for
Interesting philosophy. What else is that good?
I’m gunna super charge my tacoma
Do it!
@@DBCoffroad wanna order than Magnuson and then get a good tune. I have 1000lbs out back I need the help desperately.
@@jonnytacooutdoors Tacoma Beast supercharged his. He seemed to really like it. Ever check out that video?
@@DBCoffroad I’ve watched them, you think any issues with transmission long term?
I think I got do the SC to get my power back. Tacoma beast said it brought his back I totally believe it. I’m not looking to make it a race car.
@@jonnytacooutdoors I think as long as you watch the temps for the transmission. I had to get a Scan Gauge for mine and found out the transmission ran hot on longer hill climbs on and offroad. I'll probably add an external transmission cooler. But otherwise it should be good. Like you said, it mostly brings the power back. It is much better on the highway if you have to pass cars though. It will get up and move.
I priced it at a local authorized shop and it was 12k installed! No thanks.
That seems waaay to high. Where was that at?
@@DBCoffroad One of the only authorized shops in Mich.
@@nikolasbbq I just had an Offroad shop that I trust do the install. They weren’t an authorized dealer. From what I understand, Magnuson will still warranty the SC if it was properly installed following the manual.
Thanks, good to know.
Worst investment of a lifetime ❤
Haha. Did you do it too?
@@DBCoffroad i actually have 😂😂😂
@@osvaldo7615 good for you! 🤘🏻
@@DBCoffroad sounds like you are bitter about it 😅 just sell it learn your lesson ☹️
@@osvaldo7615 haha no. I’m just happy to see someone else making poor financial decisions.
Love the power it added. Just not the price.
For that price just v8 swap
Have you seen one before? RSG Offroad Tundra 5.7L V8 Swapped their 4runner. It costs way too much.
@@DBCoffroad doesn’t the Lexus one run 4.7 v8 they share the same chassis
@@godzuke9856 Correct in the GX470. The GX460 also had a V8. I just haven't seen a Toyota V8 swap that wasn't totally custom and expensive. They are not like the aftermarket supported LS Swaps. It would be more cost effective to just find a used GX or V8 4th Gen 4Runner. But even then, the HP/TQ are less than the Supercharged 4.0 V6. just depends on what you want to spend money on. Lifestyle Overland did a really good comparison video between their 4Runner and GX460 if you are interested. ruclips.net/video/LtXPdlzBm5Q/видео.htmlsi=83vrBVM5V0cLBiX-
@@DBCoffroad has anyone done a turbo option, I seen a company in Texas who dos a diesel swap tacomas using a prado engine
Stock 4Runner would definitely have met the advertised numbers. Lots of videos on YT about that. You have a lot of weight on the truck plus wheels and tires and something was mentioned about performing the dyno in 4WD? Lots of driveline loss there. So this video is full of misinformation for the uninformed viewer.
Thanks for watching!
This is just a real world example of what the reality of supercharging an already heavily modded 4Runner looks like. So in that case, it’s very accurate. I made a previous video showing the Dyno on a stock engine with all the same mods. And then did the exact same circumstances (minus outside temp) for the supercharged engine. It’s as apples to apples as you can get for an already modified 4Runner. The main point that I wanted to get across is that the supercharger is expensive for what you get.
Lol you pay $5000 for 50hp on a slow SUV. You’re paying for sound making you think you’re going faster
I think its mostly wind noise to make you sound faster. Haha
You mad bruh!?
Wow.....$8k....for 60hp? Yikes.
Yup….. yikes
Ls swap, I’m having Siiky make a kit for me I’m sure if you hit them up they’ll give you a price I paid under 3k for the kit and I have a 450 hp 5.3 I’m swapping in when they’re done.
I’d be interested to see it when it’s done.
@@DBCoffroad it’s taken a year so far 😭 Siiky needed my 4Runner for measurements. I have an appointment here in month
@@DBCoffroad do you have a shop? I can bring it by sometime I’m in Arizona but I’ll make my rounds at a few shows, I kept the stock ECU so everything works
Sounds like you need to regear if you haven’t already
Why do you say that?
It’s regeared with 4.88s