I started out with a Model S and my wife had a Model Y. Now we both have Lightnings, so I already had a charger. On a day-to-day basis that's all we use. we pay about .13 cents a kwh. I can tell you it cost me $140.00 to fill my Eco Boost F150 when I owned it. I don't miss that at all. When I'm driving long distance like from my home in Northern Nevada to Las Vegas I charge to 100% in Winnemucca at my home, I charge 3 times for relatively short periods of time. 15 to 20 minutes. Taking bathroom breaks and have snack or something to drink. I traveled 477 miles and only dropped to 90 miles range on the Tonopah to Vegas leg which is just over 200 miles. I drove between 65 and 75 MPH for most of the trip keeping my usage between 1.8 and 2.2 m/kwh. I only haul hay with my trailer. and I get 1.8 miles per kwhr towing. I do use Tesla chargers frequently because Electrify America gets backed up here in Nevada. Using A2Z also. Best truck I have ever owned. In my case it's saving me a lot of money. I have the Blue Oval Account, a Tesla account and the Electrify America account. Having the EA and Tesla accounts will save you money if you do fast DC charging. Great video. Thank you.
We had first gen rwd lr model 3; then lr model y… now lr lariat lightning…. Best ever. We’re at 8cents kWh here. Also have VW EA plan for a few years. The LARIAT ER DOES COME WITH 80A L2 charger!
@@GONAVYCHIEF Smart move my friend, I’m 100% with you on this one! 👍🏼 I got my Pro 2023 last year and it’s been great, thank God, I drive on highways around 62 to 65mph only higher than that for passing others & back to 65mph and I’m getting 2.4 to 2.7 miles per kwh. 70mph+ is wasteful and inefficient in every way & people don’t comprehend that one’s you hear wind sound while driving is your vehicle telling you that it’s being overworked based on its shape. Enjoy your powerwalls on wheels my friends and God bless!
Why is it so hard for people to understand that the EPA Estimate is exactly that. It is useful to compare models but NOT for election everyday use mileage. AND this is the SAME for gas vehicles.
Just got a Silverado EV. Went 85 miles towing an 8k travel trailer and 1000 lbs of gear (dirt bike generator etc) and a family of 5 up to 8,600 in the Sierra Nevadas. It did great and I made to to the campsite with 93 miles of range and 42% of battery left. The way home the downhill regen was amazing. I got back with 38% battery left. (City driving is rough on batter) it did soooo much better then I thought it'd do. Bigger battery is worth it.
@811lily no doubt. For my use case the additional expense just didn't make sense but I'm sure more battery is a great convenience. Thanks for watching!
@@michaeljordan6090 If I drive carefully, ie 65 on freeways I can regularly get over 320 for the range on my 2023 Lariat w/ extended range. If I drive like a maniac (say hypothetically over 85 on a cold a rainy day, I'm not admitting to anything ;-) then as low as 225. This vehicle really rewards economical driving and punishes fast driving. Every time we're worried on a family trip we slow right down to the speed limit and the range goes right back up and most of the time even exceeds it. I've had mine for 14 months and we love it. The extra charging time as compared to a gas station on long trips is not nearly as bad as I thought it would be.
Fair video. I don't recommend getting anything but the extended range because of the points you've made. Also if you shop around now deals are around for extended range. I got my 23 xlt ER leftover for 20k off of sticker!
For my needs the standard range truck was the right call, but particularly for people who will use it as their only vehicle I totally agree with you. Great points and thank you for watching!
Same . I got a 23 that had been sitting in a lot in Texas for 11 months for 20 K off +3.9 financing. There is no way in hell that I could live with a small battery as everything from me as at least 100 miles. That means 200 miles round-trip and unfortunately I hate driving slow as our roads here in Oklahoma are 80 miles an hour or 75 depending on if it’s a country road or an interstate. I have only towed a trailer twice at 55 miles an hour around 8000 pounds and the range would’ve been about 120 miles which is unacceptable to me. Thanks God it was only for about 30 miles. So I got to return home to my plug. I did put close to 2000 pounds worth of payload in the back and the range seemed unaffected. It was aerodynamic and I closed my bed cover so that helped a lot.
Also, Ford’s automatic recalculation of range based on towing or driving history, for me, has been super accurate, within a few miles. Our Tesla never automatically adjusted that well, roughly about 30% off. We take road trips in our lightning all the time… no issue, just some planning.
Good points. Notr, Just got home from a 6600 mile road trip in 26 western states. Paid between $0.17 to $0.72 per kw. Ave about $0.40/kw. Ave eff was 2.3kw/mile. Cost about $0.167/Mile. No range anxiety but charger anxiety for sure. Tesla access was a game changer. Like you, charge at home on solar. My 23 XLT did come with a 80 amp Ford home charger. Thanks
Great honesty. EV is not for everyone. But if it works for you the drive is amazing!! On any drive, it has twice the get up and go of an ICE truck! And at about 1/3 of the operating cost. What a deal. If you do a lot of distance driving and towing, stay with ICE. Just know the drive is amazing!!
Excellent information. Just a couple more days and I will have my lightning pro. Mine was actually cheap cheaper than every other truck I could find including the Ford maverick. I’ve purchased a used Ford lightning pro with the same standard battery pack. It had 11,000 miles on it certified preowned from Ford purchased for 36,000+ taxes and fee fees.
That's a fantastic buy! Tune in for more Lightning content and reach out if I can offer you assistance! I'll be reviewing my A2Z adaptor soon! Stay tuned and thanks for watching
@Silverado_EV_ChEVy_Avalanche I have a lot more planned for the channel. If you have any specific videos you want to see feel free to post them in the comments. All the best with your new truck, you will love it!
I own the same truck and I 100% agree with what he says. I love the truck and it fits my needs. I also love the fact that it drives like a Cadillac and not an empty bed leaf suspension pick up :D
I own almost the exact same truck that you own. I also have the spray in bed liner and the dark blue color, but I have the max trailer tow package and the 240 volt outlet in the bed. I got the max trainer tow package for the additional battery cooling, not the towing capability. I agree with everything that you said, only my effective range is 120 miles because i only take mine down to a 25% charge instead of a 10% charge. And I live in Florida so I don’t need to worry about the reduced range in the winter.
@tscoff ideally I think staying between 25%-80% would provide for very long term battery life so no doubt on to something. I also agree on the towing package: heat is the enemy of these batteries so it only males sense to have the additional cooling. I like the option to tow a little more too! Thank you for watching!
You make some good points in the video. I also have the F150 Lightning, and I love this vehicle. You forgot to mention the departure time feature. This will allow the truck to either cool or warm the cabin using the AC power rather than the battery. Also, as far as towing, I have a 2k pound landscape trailer that I use and yes the range was cut in half, but the truck learns overtime and recalculates the mileage. Just the other day, I traveled 20 miles with my trailer and the estimated miles never moved.
I was fortunate when I purchased my lightning platinum that it came with the 120/240 volt charger and the 80 amp pro charger from sunrun at no extra cost.
2023 Pro owner with 19k miles. THE NUMBER ONE thing to know is YOU CANNOT drive it like an ICE vehicle if you want range. I bought it for efficiency, and get the complete range (and then some..) Ford advertised with the standard pack. My charge rate with Duke power home charging after midnight is $.11 k/h, and a quick trip to Lowes gets a 50 amp breaker, #6 awg close to the panel, and an outlet for less than $30.00.. The best vehicle I have ever owned, and I'd do it again in a second!
You make great points! I consider efficiency to be like a game and drive to squeeze every millimeter out of a kW I can haha. I find the truck to be a true pleasure to drive and have fun in the process. Thanks for watching!
Thank you so much!! You have the most honest answers to the EV market especially with this standard range model. Always go for the max battery if it fits your budget. 👍
I definitely wouldn't have purchased my lightning if I had to depend on public chargers. So consequently, I wouldn't have purchased my lightning if I needed it to take long distance trips. The charging infrastructure just isn't there yet and as mentioned in this video the cost per kwh is just to expensive. When I'm not charging off solar I pay $.08/kwh in winter & $.12/kwh in the summer.
Great video, totally agree about having a home charging setup. We own a Rivian R1T and are patiently waiting (how long?) for the Tesla adapter so we can use it on long trips. Rivian network is small, so we also use EA, EVGo…etc. to get us to our destination.
@@Thingswithwheels1 I agree about Tesla charge ability. It is a game changer. I didnt hesitate. Waiting for the adaptor from Ford was not an option. I dont fast charge often, once every 6 weeks maybe, but the range anxiety is virtually gone knowing I have a huge network available now. Also I recommend using the sport mode which can improve city efficiency and improve on an already efficient brake pad saving system. One pedal driving is pretty aggressive for me
Yes there is calculations and homework to do if you are considering EV. I got the 2023 XLT ER back in April and very happy at 10k miles. The incentives were the key for me. MSRP was not good for me. I have Pacifica plug in which I have used on long trips but now with Tesla capability I could do those trips in the truck if I wished. Pacifica has treated me well also at 40k miles. Towing hasnt come into play with me yet. Fuel savings on both these vehicles have saved me enough already for a downpayment on an RV if I choose to in the future. Or, I could say that the fuel savings on both covers the cost of insurance on one of the vehicles for the year. I really love them both and the technology will continue to improve and its all good. The interesting thing is that gas has come down significantly, if it gets to 2 bucks I think the fuel savings may be negligible at my electricity rate on Cape Cod at $.31 kw but even then these 2 would still be excellent vehicles in my opinion. The Pacifica gets 30-32 mpg on just gas and the ride/versatility is very good. The F150 is a truck, does truck things, and the ride is NOTICABLY better than the Pacifica and is an EV which in the long run is going to save me on fuel big time.....unless gas goes to $1??? But lets be real
I still have my 2016 model s as it will die with me . Paid too much for it and it’s “worthless” currently. But with free supercharging it’s priceless to me . Love my f150 as a truck but the software sucks so bad ! So much lag and the nav is crap ! But as a truck it’s incredible! And I have 2.5 c per kw 11 pm to 5 am so fill ups dry to full cost less than 3 bucks! Amazing ! Love the truck but I would not travel with it . Charges to slow even compared to my 2016 . I have the “big battery” and the range is good for me . But if I ever traveled with it I would self navigate from Tesla to Tesla . The other net works just suck!
All ev charging slows as the battery gets full the cells need time to balance. On range. First: don't go over the speed limit. Second sit back and enjoy. I purchased an ext range Lariat in March. Completed a road trip from N Utah to Durango CO, the Mesa Verde and back home through Moab, Scipio 1100 miles. So many elevation changes. Half the trip was freeway, 65 to 75 mph and highway 45 to 65 mph. Rated is 2.4 miles per kw for 320 miles rated. For the entire trip our efficiency was 2.4 miles per kw. If your rodding it and its hellafun to do, or 5 to 10 over the limit, you wont get rated. But driving like that No gas car does either. EPA tests at a max speed of 65mph. Oh and I pull the same efficiency from both Tesla's in that We get our rated most of the time and in winter it's only a 15-20% drop but they are all garaged.
Even better charge your lightning like I do whenever I have a sunny day which gives me enough excess solar energy to charge it. If it doesn't make it back to 85% then I wait for the next sunny day. Since my round trips into town are seldom more than 60 miles, I use 30 kwh or less. Usually no more than 3 trips a week, often less I have plenty of time to charge it back to 85%. On several really cloudy days I connect my truck to charge my solar batteries and run my home. My solar battery pack capacity is just 23 kwh so it doesn't take that long to charge my solar batteries to 100%. Since I only discharge my solar batteries to 30%, I've only used about 16-17 kwh.
Great video explaining range points to consider. All very valid points. This analysis is for a std range battery but an extended range battery is available and yes for a premium but lessens these range detractors if your use case so demands. 320mi extended range battery with the same basic detractors offers 25% more utility.
You are 100% correct. I elected to go standard range because I needed the additional payload (2300 lbs vs 1700 lbs in an ER roughly) because of the additional battery weight in the ER. Either way it's a fabulous truck but the best ownership experience is had by going in eyes wide open. Thanks so much for watching!
YES. I got the ER. Glad I did. But there is alot to be said about saving 10K if you can make the Standard Range work. And there is alot to be said about the fuel savings in general these trucks can offer!!!
Is that stone gray? Does Ford give the adapter to you at point-of-sale now if you buy new? I'm cross shopping a Lightning Flash, PowerBoost Lariat, and a Cybertruck and am really torn. Been doing tons of research. Rented a Lightning XLT and test drove a Lariat. There's the truck I want, veses the truck I need. I currently tow with a Model 3 and with charging considerations (don't really want to charge beyond 80% like you mentioned it takes too long), my realistic range is about 70 miles between superchargers. That means I have stop about 4 times. I predict towing the same load with a Lighnting extended range would probably shave one or two stops off, so it's an improvement, but it's no Powerboost (0 stops). The real issue is V2L for use off-grid use. I ran the math and found the Lightning and Powerboost both would have roughly the same generator run endurance (assuming a full charge/tank, I can power a small cabin or RV for about 2 or 3 days, so great for weekend use), but the problem comes when you have to go in town to refill/recharge. 5 minutes vs 1.5 hours, so electric doesn't work well for extended trips.
The truck is Stone Gray. While it was initially my third choice, now that I've had it for a bit I love it because a: few F150s are that color and b: it truly never looks dirty! Ford does not give you the adapter at time of sale, they give you the ability to order one. When I bought my truck, the lead time was about 5 months from ordering the adaptor to its arrival which prompted me to buy the A2Z. I'll be publishing a review of that adaptor soon, and then will do a head-to-head comparison between them when I have both. Stay tuned and thank you for watching
You kept saying "use case" and that's important. I am retired and rarely go 100 miles unless it's a road trip. Most days I am home all but 2-6 hours out of every 24. If I only have the cheap easy slow charging at home (110 extension cord??) and I can charge 14+ hours a day, will that take care of me other than rapid charges when I travel?
@DaleStLouis-xb5mx if you are on a 110v charger you'll likely add something around 25 miles of range during the time you're plugged in. For local running it's probably fine. However over time I think you'll find yourself wishing for faster home charging. The optional Ford charger contains the plugs for both 110v and 220v so you can start with 110v and then when you have a 220v outlet installed you simply attach the other connector and your charging speed multiplies. To put that in perspective, on 220v you would be able to 200+ miles of range in the same time it took you to get to 25 miles on the 110v outlet. I hope this helps and truly appreciate you tuning in!
Hi, I have have a Mach-E with the small battery. I used it for the first month using only 110V. I drive on average 45km daily, but occasionally up to 60km. The 110V was more than sufficient, but I would not rely on it for winter. Instead you could DC fast charge 2x a month and use the 110V as more of a maintainer than a charger when the weather is cool. I do have the 240V charger at home now, but I only plug the can in 1x or 2x a week. I cycle my battery between 60% max and 30% min. I can charge to 80% or 90%, but I really don't need to, so I rather not beat up the battery. I reserve 100% charges at home when I know I'll drive a long distance or go camping for the weekend. When I do charge to 100%for daily driving, the charge after 7 days has never fallen below 35%. If you live in a warm climate, and barely drive... an EV really is the way to go.
Question. Have you ever charged your truck and let it sit to see if you lose a percent of charge per day? Lets say. You charged 2 weeks ago. And checked power level and it says 95%. Have you down a test like that?
@moth450 I have not specifically tested that. I can tell you that I prefer not to charge frequently as I believe it adds heat and stress to the battery every time they are cycled. So my normal routing is to charge to 80% or so and then I try not to plug in until I'm under 40%. I drive several other vehicles so it can be a week or more in between charging. I haven't noticed any falloff from sitting but admittedly I haven't tracked it. This may be good fodder for a future test/video, thank you!
I can tell you that it doesnt chew up energy sitting idle like a gas vehicle. I have seen tests on other channels and the Lightning can sit idle for something like 50 hrs vs a gas vehicle at about 24 hrs.....with the heat on like in a winter stranding situation. So when I go into a grocery store and its hot out I dont hesitate to leave my Lightning "on" with a/c running and doors locked because a/c uses much less than heat. Granted the truck shuts off automatically in 30 minutes but its a good thing.
a2zevshop.com/collections/charging-adapters/products/nacs-ccs1?variant=43186507579592 I do not have numbers on towing range, although I've been seeing other owners have significantly reduced range when towing. Hope that link helps. Stay tuned and subscribe, I plan to do a review on the adaptor and it's use with my Lightning soon!
I like that paint, is that gold? it's sharp. It will be a while before I go to an EV, but when I do it will be a Ford for sure. If there is something on the ford ev Lightning that I don't care for though, it would be the grill. It's just really boring or dull looking and too plasticy. =)
@user-pv6hk9pd5y the color is called Stone Gray, and depending upon the lighting it can appear anything from light metallic brown to medium metallic gray. I really like it. Also, I agree on the grill. I've seen some other guys that have painted theirs and it looks better, but I'm not mad enough at it to change it yet. Thanks so much for watching and stay tuned for more content!
@mksusa great for around town and home charging, more challenging for highway trips of 300+ miles each way. That distance you can do stopping once to charge, and with access to the Tesla chargers it doesn't take long. Great truck. Thanks for watching.
note, the 2024 models only come in 20' and 22' wheels. IMHO, you shouldn't buy the standard range for exactly what was noted. You'll only charge to 90/80% and having that gives you 279/248 vs 216/192. Further, I completely agree. You shouldn't buy an EV without a home charger and a garage. When inclement weather happens, you'll still be able to charge in a garage.
Thanks for the video. Informative and interesting. I seriously considered buying the Lightning when they were first taking orders. However, wanting to be able to tow my boat into Canada from just north of Minneapolis, I realized that the charging infrastructure did not exist (at that time) for making such a trip, especially when towing a 4500 pound boat and trailer. My reason for not supporting buying an EV at this time is the environmental destruction that is happening in mining and processing battery materials along with the fact that most of the battery material reserves have been bought up by China. The mining and processing of battery materials releases a significant amount of CO2 (which I am not personally concerned about) that overrides any reduction in CO2 from driving an EV for at least 100K miles. This whole push towards EV’s is not based on common sense that there will be a drastic reduction in CO2. Plus, I don’t buy into the mania that we are going to roast-to-death by 2050 if we don’t reduce CO2 emissions. CO2 levels have varied throughout history. CO2 levels were at least double of what they are today 1000 years ago. That level was not man-made from driving ICE vehicles (since they didn’t exist). CO2 represents approximately 0.04% of the earth’s atmosphere. Minuscule compared to oxygen and nitrogen.
That is sad for me. My work commute is HWY. I was worried about the range and you boosted it. Thank you. I have a level 2, 48A charger, how many hours will take for a full charge, you think?
@alp3781 if you commute and charge just at home, you could charge to 90% each night. If you leave yourself a 10% buffer on the trip. 80% x 98 kW usable battery storage (if you get a standard range Lightning)= 78.4 kW to be replenished (which should provide you around 160 miles of highway travel). It should take a 48a charger about 7 hours to charge the truck back to 90% from 10%. In other words, about 7 hours to recharge IF you drive 80 miles each way to work. One last note: if you are in a cold climate it will negatively impact range in winter. Expect to lose probably 10-20%. Overall these things are far cheaper to run than their gas counterparts (no maintenance other than tire rotations for the most part) but you need a plan going in. I'm thrilled with mine because I fully understood what I was getting into. Let me know if I can help further, and subscribe for more content!
@ Spot on, on everything. The price on Flash dropped more and I think even more, in the coming months. My commute is 25 miles, each way, so not too bad, I just worried about the ride stress for batt life. I am in the North East and not all places, all chargers do work. I think, one car in the house should be gas, for sure. I need to deeply think about leasing one as first electric truck. Going to ride one soon to test. Thank you for the reply.
@JimmyBamis on the radio there is a choice for "Features". Under features is "Zone Lighting". You can choose what lights get illuminated when you leave the truck (or approach it) or shut them off completely. The lights being on has virtually zero impact on range. Hope this helps. Thank you for watching and subscribe for more content!
@jjgreek1 at the time an ER was about $7k more, now I think you're looking at a "Flash" version to get ER which brings along a lot of other items I didn't want (like a power tailgate).
I'm not sure in what universe this is cost effective in any capacity. The depreciation first of all is insane. Second even if you buy used at 50k any repair will be very expensive let alone trying to find any mechanic outside of the ripoff dealers. In 2019 I bought a ICE Tahoe with 32k miles. 5 years later it has 66k miles. Costs me about $1600 a year in gas. How do you manufacture electricity? Hint...it's not clean 😕 So why a 7k lbs truck? Why put yourself through range anxieties? Why would anyone be willing to wait 1.5 hrs to "fill up" on the road? No thanks!
@jasoncolemanarizonaloanoff1574 totally understand your points. It's not for everyone. I paid $46k for a brand new F150 with heated seats and navigation that goes 0-60 in 4.5 seconds. A gas version would have run me nearly $10k more at time of purchase if equipped identically. It gets the equivalent of 60 mpg to roughly 20 mpg in the gas truck, and I can charge it at home with the convenience of leaving the house full every day. Would I drive it to Montana? Nope. But I don't need it for that. And btw the way a fill up at a Tesla supercharger (which Fords can use) usually takes around 20 minutes. I respect everyone's opinion but it appears perhaps some of the misinformation in the media about evs made it to you. Evs aren't for everyone and if you don't want one please ignore them. Have a fantastic day and thank you so much for watching.
@@Thingswithwheels1 This year we made it from AZ to Oregon and back. We frequently travel 120 miles each way to camp. I see these trucks still listed at 80k. I also see ice trucks up there too. Rediculous...46k is a rippin deal!
@jasoncolemanarizonaloanoff1574 I appreciate that thank you. I really enjoy it but I know it's not for everybody. And I love my fossil fuels too! I own a Wrangler, Corvette and an Expedition too! Have a good day.
No Electric is not 100% clean. But in my local (Metro West in Mass)I have the ability to use the regular electricity which is listed as 50-60% renewable or I can pay couple cents more per kw for 80% renewable. Thats pretty clean. depends on where you live. There are many reasons to consider an EV. Financial being #1. Environment #2. Could be vise versa but then you are attacked. I think it opens the market to more freedom of choice at this point also. So many people claim they are already being forced to buy EV. WRONG!! Not yet. And when we are forced at some point YEARS down the road I bet all the nay sayers will be YAY sayers by that time with technological advancements eclipsing gas cars massively. The gas car will be like a horse grazing in the field thankful it can just take it easy now lol
@@brita654 Environment? How are batteriee made for electric vehicles ? Is it by digging and mining? Using slave labor and gasoline? Where do dead batteries go? Recycled? Can you recycle lythium batteries? What is the replacement cost right now for that bank of batteries? How much more are tires for the Tesla than even a Corvette? What blows my mind is how China is producing super cheap electric cars right now vs usa.
True, but they will work for most people. Most people don't tow. Most people don't take long distance 2,000 mile road trips on a regular basis. They mostly drive regionally near home. Tesla sold 1.8 million EVs at a profit in 2023. That's far more than twice as many gas F150s sold by Ford.
Solar ? So you traded a light bill. For a solar panel bill. Your ripped off. At least i know unplug everything except fridge and necessary items and my light bill drops. You get a 2% increase per year for like 25 years for the panels that last 18 to 20 years. Your logic. Ain't logic
@moth450 I bought the system 2 years ago for a set price. My payment doesn't change. At that time it provided roughly a $40k savings over the usable lifespan of the system over the then current cost of electricity. Rates for electricity have only gone up since then so I don't really get your point.
@@Thingswithwheels1 you bought a solar set for like what, 65k. So you lost money. No one ever talks about the monthly solar bill. Just " I have a 13 buck light bill." This isn't true. The solar is free installation ( tax payer [you]funded. And you get charged a set price of what 225 to 275 a month? For 25 years.
@moth450 I definitely got a big tax rebate of which a little I funded. 100% right. I figured it was better to benefit from it than not to. But hey if you ultimately want to spend more for your energy overall than I do, by all means I support your right to do so. All the best to you and thank you for watching.
I really appreciate that thank you. I tried to think of what I would want to know if I was thinking of a Lightning or even just an ev in general. More content on the way! Thank you for watching!
@OriginalYTBR I actually bought the Lightning in part because it looks "normal" unlike the Cybertruck. But I respect your opinion and appreciate you tuning in!
im really interested in a EV truck. would kill two birds with one stone... Have the truck for all the truck needs(the bed) i dont tow much. and have a commuter for work(30mi away). can also charge free at work
Free charging at work makes EVs a no brainer in my opinion. I would still install a level 2 charger at home too, and with that combination you're operating for literally pennies on the dollar compared to the gas counterpart. Thank you for watching!
@alraguc on the highway the truck doesn't have the full 240 miles of range, that's in town. The highway range is closer to 200 miles on 100%, but since you can't drive to 0% (hence using a low end of 10%), and it slows down charging above 80%, then for my estimate I'm using 200 miles x 70% = 140 miles between charges on a highway trip. Thanks for watching and for all of your comments, I appreciate it!
I think it depends on the use case, but I agree and it appears many automakers are swinging back in that direction. If I were to highway travel a lot I likely would have gone hybrid. Thanks for watching!
The reason this will never work until tech improves is no one wants to buy a new 25k battery at 8 years of age. An ICE truck can go 15+ yrs without major repairs. At 25k for a battery ur better off just getting a new car
@@GrabBagEntertainment except that individual cells fail not the entire battery, and the cells can be repaired for a few thousand. And many evs are over 200k with zero electrical issues. Thanks for watching.
Lightnings are only good for city/rural neighborhoods people. NOT for country/backroads kind of people. States like Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Montana, Utah, New Mexico should not own electric vehicles
@NoonMight that is certainly an opinion. I would think anybody who commutes under 75 miles each way to work and can home charge would do great with one of these, but home and or work charging is the key. Thanks for watching.
Today’s EV will depreciate very rapidly as the newer models get released with newer tech and higher range. We are one administration from EVs going bye bye. Try trading your EV in on a newer EV, this in of itself is scary. No EV for me ever.
When was the last time the oil companies said " hey lets give the American people a $ 1.00 a gallon discount" your a fool fool for the scumbag oil companies
@@alraguc 10 or 15 yrs? At least one or two very expensive battery replacements. Then the gov will tax you by the mile road tax since you are not paying a gasoline tax. Just sayin.😉
I started out with a Model S and my wife had a Model Y. Now we both have Lightnings, so I already had a charger. On a day-to-day basis that's all we use. we pay about .13 cents a kwh. I can tell you it cost me $140.00 to fill my Eco Boost F150 when I owned it. I don't miss that at all. When I'm driving long distance like from my home in Northern Nevada to Las Vegas I charge to 100% in Winnemucca at my home, I charge 3 times for relatively short periods of time. 15 to 20 minutes. Taking bathroom breaks and have snack or something to drink. I traveled 477 miles and only dropped to 90 miles range on the Tonopah to Vegas leg which is just over 200 miles. I drove between 65 and 75 MPH for most of the trip keeping my usage between 1.8 and 2.2 m/kwh. I only haul hay with my trailer. and I get 1.8 miles per kwhr towing. I do use Tesla chargers frequently because Electrify America gets backed up here in Nevada. Using A2Z also. Best truck I have ever owned. In my case it's saving me a lot of money. I have the Blue Oval Account, a Tesla account and the Electrify America account. Having the EA and Tesla accounts will save you money if you do fast DC charging. Great video. Thank you.
You make great points and I appreciate you watching!
We had first gen rwd lr model 3; then lr model y… now lr lariat lightning…. Best ever. We’re at 8cents kWh here. Also have VW EA plan for a few years. The LARIAT ER DOES COME WITH 80A L2 charger!
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Smart move my friend, I’m 100% with you on this one! 👍🏼
I got my Pro 2023 last year and it’s been great, thank God, I drive on highways around 62 to 65mph only higher than that for passing others & back to 65mph and I’m getting 2.4 to 2.7 miles per kwh.
70mph+ is wasteful and inefficient in every way & people don’t comprehend that one’s you hear wind sound while driving is your vehicle telling you that it’s being overworked based on its shape.
Enjoy your powerwalls on wheels my friends and God bless!
@@GONAVYCHIEF ruclips.net/video/XVSNmMk972Y/видео.htmlsi=yLj0U4p022Yf5mOh an interesting perspective.
Why is it so hard for people to understand that the EPA Estimate is exactly that. It is useful to compare models but NOT for election everyday use mileage. AND this is the SAME for gas vehicles.
Just got a Silverado EV. Went 85 miles towing an 8k travel trailer and 1000 lbs of gear (dirt bike generator etc) and a family of 5 up to 8,600 in the Sierra Nevadas. It did great and I made to to the campsite with 93 miles of range and 42% of battery left. The way home the downhill regen was amazing. I got back with 38% battery left. (City driving is rough on batter) it did soooo much better then I thought it'd do. Bigger battery is worth it.
@811lily no doubt. For my use case the additional expense just didn't make sense but I'm sure more battery is a great convenience. Thanks for watching!
Great informative, honest video. Had my extended range for over 16mths now and i love it.
Thanks for watching!
What are you getting for range with the extended range
Not according to our current government/regime. They want total control and taxing you all the way. Bidenomics is killing our country.
@@michaeljordan6090 If I drive carefully, ie 65 on freeways I can regularly get over 320 for the range on my 2023 Lariat w/ extended range. If I drive like a maniac (say hypothetically over 85 on a cold a rainy day, I'm not admitting to anything ;-) then as low as 225. This vehicle really rewards economical driving and punishes fast driving. Every time we're worried on a family trip we slow right down to the speed limit and the range goes right back up and most of the time even exceeds it. I've had mine for 14 months and we love it. The extra charging time as compared to a gas station on long trips is not nearly as bad as I thought it would be.
Fair video. I don't recommend getting anything but the extended range because of the points you've made. Also if you shop around now deals are around for extended range. I got my 23 xlt ER leftover for 20k off of sticker!
For my needs the standard range truck was the right call, but particularly for people who will use it as their only vehicle I totally agree with you. Great points and thank you for watching!
Same . I got a 23 that had been sitting in a lot in Texas for 11 months for 20 K off +3.9 financing. There is no way in hell that I could live with a small battery as everything from me as at least 100 miles. That means 200 miles round-trip and unfortunately I hate driving slow as our roads here in Oklahoma are 80 miles an hour or 75 depending on if it’s a country road or an interstate. I have only towed a trailer twice at 55 miles an hour around 8000 pounds and the range would’ve been about 120 miles which is unacceptable to me. Thanks God it was only for about 30 miles. So I got to return home to my plug. I did put close to 2000 pounds worth of payload in the back and the range seemed unaffected. It was aerodynamic and I closed my bed cover so that helped a lot.
@@roydelpozo4816 wow you are brave! I have a 15 mile commute, live outside of Philadelphia and drive to the Chesapeake Bay (70mile) and I don't tow.
Also, Ford’s automatic recalculation of range based on towing or driving history, for me, has been super accurate, within a few miles. Our Tesla never automatically adjusted that well, roughly about 30% off. We take road trips in our lightning all the time… no issue, just some planning.
Good points and thank you for tuning in!
Good points. Notr, Just got home from a 6600 mile road trip in 26 western states. Paid between $0.17 to $0.72 per kw. Ave about $0.40/kw. Ave eff was 2.3kw/mile. Cost about $0.167/Mile. No range anxiety but charger anxiety for sure. Tesla access was a game changer. Like you, charge at home on solar. My 23 XLT did come with a 80 amp Ford home charger. Thanks
Thank you for watching!
Great honesty. EV is not for everyone. But if it works for you the drive is amazing!! On any drive, it has twice the get up and go of an ICE truck! And at about 1/3 of the operating cost. What a deal. If you do a lot of distance driving and towing, stay with ICE. Just know the drive is amazing!!
I agree and thank you for watching!
Excellent information. Just a couple more days and I will have my lightning pro. Mine was actually cheap cheaper than every other truck I could find including the Ford maverick. I’ve purchased a used Ford lightning pro with the same standard battery pack. It had 11,000 miles on it certified preowned from Ford purchased for 36,000+ taxes and fee fees.
That's a fantastic buy! Tune in for more Lightning content and reach out if I can offer you assistance! I'll be reviewing my A2Z adaptor soon! Stay tuned and thanks for watching
@@Thingswithwheels1 locked in. I hit the subscribe button pretty quickly can’t get enough lightning, especially as I wait for mine.
@Silverado_EV_ChEVy_Avalanche I have a lot more planned for the channel. If you have any specific videos you want to see feel free to post them in the comments. All the best with your new truck, you will love it!
I own the same truck and I 100% agree with what he says. I love the truck and it fits my needs. I also love the fact that it drives like a Cadillac and not an empty bed leaf suspension pick up :D
Thank you for watching. More content coming soon!
You need to drive a late model ram. Smooth ride and great seats.
@@moth450 maybe, had a new ranger tremor before this… it still felt like a 1998 ranger hehe
I own almost the exact same truck that you own. I also have the spray in bed liner and the dark blue color, but I have the max trailer tow package and the 240 volt outlet in the bed. I got the max trainer tow package for the additional battery cooling, not the towing capability.
I agree with everything that you said, only my effective range is 120 miles because i only take mine down to a 25% charge instead of a 10% charge. And I live in Florida so I don’t need to worry about the reduced range in the winter.
@tscoff ideally I think staying between 25%-80% would provide for very long term battery life so no doubt on to something. I also agree on the towing package: heat is the enemy of these batteries so it only males sense to have the additional cooling. I like the option to tow a little more too! Thank you for watching!
You make some good points in the video. I also have the F150 Lightning, and I love this vehicle. You forgot to mention the departure time feature. This will allow the truck to either cool or warm the cabin using the AC power rather than the battery. Also, as far as towing, I have a 2k pound landscape trailer that I use and yes the range was cut in half, but the truck learns overtime and recalculates the mileage. Just the other day, I traveled 20 miles with my trailer and the estimated miles never moved.
You make great points for sure. Nothing is better than prepping the cabin for departure while still plugged in! Thank you for watching.
I was fortunate when I purchased my lightning platinum that it came with the 120/240 volt charger and the 80 amp pro charger from sunrun at no extra cost.
I’m 100% happy with my 2023 Pro standard range w pro power onboard 🤩👍🏼.
You provided good information about the reality on this truck .
Thank you for watching! More content coming!
2023 Pro owner with 19k miles. THE NUMBER ONE thing to know is YOU CANNOT drive it like an ICE vehicle if you want range. I bought it for efficiency, and get the complete range (and then some..) Ford advertised with the standard pack.
My charge rate with Duke power home charging after midnight is $.11 k/h, and a quick trip to Lowes gets a 50 amp breaker, #6 awg close to the panel, and an outlet for less than $30.00..
The best vehicle I have ever owned, and I'd do it again in a second!
You make great points! I consider efficiency to be like a game and drive to squeeze every millimeter out of a kW I can haha. I find the truck to be a true pleasure to drive and have fun in the process. Thanks for watching!
Thank you so much!! You have the most honest answers to the EV market especially with this standard range model. Always go for the max battery if it fits your budget. 👍
I appreciate you watching! Stay tuned for more videos soon!
I definitely wouldn't have purchased my lightning if I had to depend on public chargers.
So consequently, I wouldn't have purchased my lightning if I needed it to take long distance trips. The charging infrastructure just isn't there yet and as mentioned in this video the cost per kwh is just to expensive. When I'm not charging off solar I pay $.08/kwh in winter & $.12/kwh in the summer.
@pstoneking3418 thank you for watching!
Great video, totally agree about having a home charging setup. We own a Rivian R1T and are patiently waiting (how long?) for the Tesla adapter so we can use it on long trips. Rivian network is small, so we also use EA, EVGo…etc. to get us to our destination.
Thanks for watching! The adaptor for Tesla charging is life changing!
@@Thingswithwheels1 I agree about Tesla charge ability. It is a game changer. I didnt hesitate. Waiting for the adaptor from Ford was not an option. I dont fast charge often, once every 6 weeks maybe, but the range anxiety is virtually gone knowing I have a huge network available now. Also I recommend using the sport mode which can improve city efficiency and improve on an already efficient brake pad saving system. One pedal driving is pretty aggressive for me
@@brita654 i agree, I run in Sport but can't stand 1 pedal. It's far too aggressive for me as well.
Yes there is calculations and homework to do if you are considering EV. I got the 2023 XLT ER back in April and very happy at 10k miles. The incentives were the key for me. MSRP was not good for me. I have Pacifica plug in which I have used on long trips but now with Tesla capability I could do those trips in the truck if I wished. Pacifica has treated me well also at 40k miles. Towing hasnt come into play with me yet. Fuel savings on both these vehicles have saved me enough already for a downpayment on an RV if I choose to in the future. Or, I could say that the fuel savings on both covers the cost of insurance on one of the vehicles for the year. I really love them both and the technology will continue to improve and its all good. The interesting thing is that gas has come down significantly, if it gets to 2 bucks I think the fuel savings may be negligible at my electricity rate on Cape Cod at $.31 kw but even then these 2 would still be excellent vehicles in my opinion. The Pacifica gets 30-32 mpg on just gas and the ride/versatility is very good. The F150 is a truck, does truck things, and the ride is NOTICABLY better than the Pacifica and is an EV which in the long run is going to save me on fuel big time.....unless gas goes to $1??? But lets be real
@brita654 great points and yikes .31kW! In CT we are at 10.9 but with solar we barely draw anything from the grid anyway. Thank you for watching!
I still have my 2016 model s as it will die with me . Paid too much for it and it’s “worthless” currently. But with free supercharging it’s priceless to me . Love my f150 as a truck but the software sucks so bad ! So much lag and the nav is crap ! But as a truck it’s incredible! And I have 2.5 c per kw 11 pm to 5 am so fill ups dry to full cost less than 3 bucks! Amazing ! Love the truck but I would not travel with it . Charges to slow even compared to my 2016 . I have the “big battery” and the range is good for me . But if I ever traveled with it I would self navigate from Tesla to Tesla . The other net works just suck!
@@roydelpozo4816 thank you for watching
All ev charging slows as the battery gets full the cells need time to balance. On range. First: don't go over the speed limit. Second sit back and enjoy. I purchased an ext range Lariat in March. Completed a road trip from N Utah to Durango CO, the Mesa Verde and back home through Moab, Scipio 1100 miles. So many elevation changes. Half the trip was freeway, 65 to 75 mph and highway 45 to 65 mph. Rated is 2.4 miles per kw for 320 miles rated. For the entire trip our efficiency was 2.4 miles per kw. If your rodding it and its hellafun to do, or 5 to 10 over the limit, you wont get rated. But driving like that No gas car does either. EPA tests at a max speed of 65mph. Oh and I pull the same efficiency from both Tesla's in that We get our rated most of the time and in winter it's only a 15-20% drop but they are all garaged.
All great points. Thank you for watching!
Even better charge your lightning like I do whenever I have a sunny day which gives me enough excess solar energy to charge it. If it doesn't make it back to 85% then I wait for the next sunny day. Since my round trips into town are seldom more than 60 miles, I use 30 kwh or less. Usually no more than 3 trips a week, often less I have plenty of time to charge it back to 85%. On several really cloudy days I connect my truck to charge my solar batteries and run my home. My solar battery pack capacity is just 23 kwh so it doesn't take that long to charge my solar batteries to 100%. Since I only discharge my solar batteries to 30%, I've only used about 16-17 kwh.
@pstoneking3418 that's a great strategy. We have solar that routinely overproduces but we don't have batteries, yet.
Home is $0.07 /kwh. Public charging here is $.64 kWh.
Great video explaining range points to consider. All very valid points. This analysis is for a std range battery but an extended range battery is available and yes for a premium but lessens these range detractors if your use case so demands. 320mi extended range battery with the same basic detractors offers 25% more utility.
You are 100% correct. I elected to go standard range because I needed the additional payload (2300 lbs vs 1700 lbs in an ER roughly) because of the additional battery weight in the ER. Either way it's a fabulous truck but the best ownership experience is had by going in eyes wide open. Thanks so much for watching!
YES. I got the ER. Glad I did. But there is alot to be said about saving 10K if you can make the Standard Range work. And there is alot to be said about the fuel savings in general these trucks can offer!!!
Is that stone gray? Does Ford give the adapter to you at point-of-sale now if you buy new?
I'm cross shopping a Lightning Flash, PowerBoost Lariat, and a Cybertruck and am really torn. Been doing tons of research. Rented a Lightning XLT and test drove a Lariat. There's the truck I want, veses the truck I need.
I currently tow with a Model 3 and with charging considerations (don't really want to charge beyond 80% like you mentioned it takes too long), my realistic range is about 70 miles between superchargers. That means I have stop about 4 times. I predict towing the same load with a Lighnting extended range would probably shave one or two stops off, so it's an improvement, but it's no Powerboost (0 stops).
The real issue is V2L for use off-grid use. I ran the math and found the Lightning and Powerboost both would have roughly the same generator run endurance (assuming a full charge/tank, I can power a small cabin or RV for about 2 or 3 days, so great for weekend use), but the problem comes when you have to go in town to refill/recharge. 5 minutes vs 1.5 hours, so electric doesn't work well for extended trips.
The truck is Stone Gray. While it was initially my third choice, now that I've had it for a bit I love it because a: few F150s are that color and b: it truly never looks dirty!
Ford does not give you the adapter at time of sale, they give you the ability to order one. When I bought my truck, the lead time was about 5 months from ordering the adaptor to its arrival which prompted me to buy the A2Z. I'll be publishing a review of that adaptor soon, and then will do a head-to-head comparison between them when I have both. Stay tuned and thank you for watching
You kept saying "use case" and that's important. I am retired and rarely go 100 miles unless it's a road trip. Most days I am home all but 2-6 hours out of every 24. If I only have the cheap easy slow charging at home (110 extension cord??) and I can charge 14+ hours a day, will that take care of me other than rapid charges when I travel?
@DaleStLouis-xb5mx if you are on a 110v charger you'll likely add something around 25 miles of range during the time you're plugged in. For local running it's probably fine. However over time I think you'll find yourself wishing for faster home charging. The optional Ford charger contains the plugs for both 110v and 220v so you can start with 110v and then when you have a 220v outlet installed you simply attach the other connector and your charging speed multiplies. To put that in perspective, on 220v you would be able to 200+ miles of range in the same time it took you to get to 25 miles on the 110v outlet. I hope this helps and truly appreciate you tuning in!
Hi, I have have a Mach-E with the small battery. I used it for the first month using only 110V.
I drive on average 45km daily, but occasionally up to 60km. The 110V was more than sufficient, but I would not rely on it for winter. Instead you could DC fast charge 2x a month and use the 110V as more of a maintainer than a charger when the weather is cool.
I do have the 240V charger at home now, but I only plug the can in 1x or 2x a week. I cycle my battery between 60% max and 30% min. I can charge to 80% or 90%, but I really don't need to, so I rather not beat up the battery.
I reserve 100% charges at home when I know I'll drive a long distance or go camping for the weekend. When I do charge to 100%for daily driving, the charge after 7 days has never fallen below 35%.
If you live in a warm climate, and barely drive... an EV really is the way to go.
this is stuff no one talks about
you are 100% right about the usable range of 70% out of the “100%”
I appreciate it! Much more real world EV info coming soon!
Yes the usable recommendable range thing is a thing. Calculations.....lots of homework to do before plunking down 10s of thousands!!
Question. Have you ever charged your truck and let it sit to see if you lose a percent of charge per day? Lets say. You charged 2 weeks ago. And checked power level and it says 95%. Have you down a test like that?
@moth450 I have not specifically tested that. I can tell you that I prefer not to charge frequently as I believe it adds heat and stress to the battery every time they are cycled. So my normal routing is to charge to 80% or so and then I try not to plug in until I'm under 40%. I drive several other vehicles so it can be a week or more in between charging. I haven't noticed any falloff from sitting but admittedly I haven't tracked it. This may be good fodder for a future test/video, thank you!
I can tell you that it doesnt chew up energy sitting idle like a gas vehicle. I have seen tests on other channels and the Lightning can sit idle for something like 50 hrs vs a gas vehicle at about 24 hrs.....with the heat on like in a winter stranding situation. So when I go into a grocery store and its hot out I dont hesitate to leave my Lightning "on" with a/c running and doors locked because a/c uses much less than heat. Granted the truck shuts off automatically in 30 minutes but its a good thing.
@brita654 yes! Great for grocery shopping for cold items! And you can extend the climate control time from the app which is so handy!
@brita654 yes! Great for grocery shopping for cold items! And you can extend the climate control time from the app which is so handy!
Could you place the link for the adapter here? Also, did you tow the trailer on the back? Do you have numbers for the trip or tips on towing,
a2zevshop.com/collections/charging-adapters/products/nacs-ccs1?variant=43186507579592
I do not have numbers on towing range, although I've been seeing other owners have significantly reduced range when towing.
Hope that link helps. Stay tuned and subscribe, I plan to do a review on the adaptor and it's use with my Lightning soon!
Really informative video, thank you
@pulkitsharma7330 thank you for watching!
On the A2Z adapter link you posted, there are two options to choose from the drop-down…. Which option is correct?
@@mike_adams A2Z Typhoon Pro NACS to CCS1 adaptor. Hope that helps!
I like that paint, is that gold? it's sharp. It will be a while before I go to an EV, but when I do it will be a Ford for sure. If there is something on the ford ev Lightning that I don't care for though, it would be the grill. It's just really boring or dull looking and too plasticy. =)
@user-pv6hk9pd5y the color is called Stone Gray, and depending upon the lighting it can appear anything from light metallic brown to medium metallic gray. I really like it. Also, I agree on the grill. I've seen some other guys that have painted theirs and it looks better, but I'm not mad enough at it to change it yet. Thanks so much for watching and stay tuned for more content!
Great for around town and charging at home- worthless on going anyplace over 100 one way.
@mksusa great for around town and home charging, more challenging for highway trips of 300+ miles each way. That distance you can do stopping once to charge, and with access to the Tesla chargers it doesn't take long. Great truck. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for keeping it real! Subbed!
Where do you charge when you travel highway?
@@cewmusicman1836 Tesla superchargers or Electrify America stations. I have a video up about the Tesla adaptor too.
note, the 2024 models only come in 20' and 22' wheels. IMHO, you shouldn't buy the standard range for exactly what was noted. You'll only charge to 90/80% and having that gives you 279/248 vs 216/192. Further, I completely agree. You shouldn't buy an EV without a home charger and a garage. When inclement weather happens, you'll still be able to charge in a garage.
@chriscobb148 you make good, reasonable points. I love my SR but it's not for everybody! Thank you for watching!
Very informative video! Just FYI, the standard range Lightning is closer to 6000lbs, not 7 :)
I stand corrected you are 100% right! Thank you for tuning in.
Yes and extended is 6600.
I always thought it was 7000 also until I brought some scrap to the dump and realized with 1 adult inside it was just over 6000.
Great video!
Great and very helpful video.
@@LQuintalStitt i appreciate that and thank you for watching
Thanks for the video. Informative and interesting. I seriously considered buying the Lightning when they were first taking orders. However, wanting to be able to tow my boat into Canada from just north of Minneapolis, I realized that the charging infrastructure did not exist (at that time) for making such a trip, especially when towing a 4500 pound boat and trailer. My reason for not supporting buying an EV at this time is the environmental destruction that is happening in mining and processing battery materials along with the fact that most of the battery material reserves have been bought up by China. The mining and processing of battery materials releases a significant amount of CO2 (which I am not personally concerned about) that overrides any reduction in CO2 from driving an EV for at least 100K miles. This whole push towards EV’s is not based on common sense that there will be a drastic reduction in CO2. Plus, I don’t buy into the mania that we are going to roast-to-death by 2050 if we don’t reduce CO2 emissions. CO2 levels have varied throughout history. CO2 levels were at least double of what they are today 1000 years ago. That level was not man-made from driving ICE vehicles (since they didn’t exist). CO2 represents approximately 0.04% of the earth’s atmosphere. Minuscule compared to oxygen and nitrogen.
You make good points and obviously have made an informed decision based upon your situation. EVs aren't for everyone and I appreciate you watching!
That is sad for me. My work commute is HWY. I was worried about the range and you boosted it. Thank you. I have a level 2, 48A charger, how many hours will take for a full charge, you think?
@alp3781 if you commute and charge just at home, you could charge to 90% each night. If you leave yourself a 10% buffer on the trip. 80% x 98 kW usable battery storage (if you get a standard range Lightning)= 78.4 kW to be replenished (which should provide you around 160 miles of highway travel). It should take a 48a charger about 7 hours to charge the truck back to 90% from 10%. In other words, about 7 hours to recharge IF you drive 80 miles each way to work. One last note: if you are in a cold climate it will negatively impact range in winter. Expect to lose probably 10-20%. Overall these things are far cheaper to run than their gas counterparts (no maintenance other than tire rotations for the most part) but you need a plan going in. I'm thrilled with mine because I fully understood what I was getting into. Let me know if I can help further, and subscribe for more content!
@ Spot on, on everything. The price on Flash dropped more and I think even more, in the coming months. My commute is 25 miles, each way, so not too bad, I just worried about the ride stress for batt life. I am in the North East and not all places, all chargers do work. I think, one car in the house should be gas, for sure. I need to deeply think about leasing one as first electric truck. Going to ride one soon to test. Thank you for the reply.
How do you disable the lights around the truck so they don’t come on every time I exit the vehicle?
@JimmyBamis on the radio there is a choice for "Features". Under features is "Zone Lighting". You can choose what lights get illuminated when you leave the truck (or approach it) or shut them off completely. The lights being on has virtually zero impact on range. Hope this helps. Thank you for watching and subscribe for more content!
Is it true you can now get one of these for under $60K
@@jjgreek1 i paid less than 50...
@@Thingswithwheels1 I wonder how much I could pick one up with the extended range. I have fast charging at home
@jjgreek1 at the time an ER was about $7k more, now I think you're looking at a "Flash" version to get ER which brings along a lot of other items I didn't want (like a power tailgate).
Thanks for the video and your honest review living with the Lighting.
Thank you for watching
Truck sinks for RV towing
electric seems ideal for a second vehical non daily driver truck.
It's ideal for a commuter every day so long as you can home or work charge! Super cheap to run! Thanks for watching.
Shhh it’s still efficient vs gas…
FAR more efficient. I absolutely love it and it costs me probably 25% of what it did to run my diesel 2500.
Don't worry, nobody is lol
I'm not sure in what universe this is cost effective in any capacity. The depreciation first of all is insane. Second even if you buy used at 50k any repair will be very expensive let alone trying to find any mechanic outside of the ripoff dealers. In 2019 I bought a ICE Tahoe with 32k miles. 5 years later it has 66k miles. Costs me about $1600 a year in gas. How do you manufacture electricity? Hint...it's not clean 😕 So why a 7k lbs truck? Why put yourself through range anxieties? Why would anyone be willing to wait 1.5 hrs to "fill up" on the road? No thanks!
@jasoncolemanarizonaloanoff1574 totally understand your points. It's not for everyone. I paid $46k for a brand new F150 with heated seats and navigation that goes 0-60 in 4.5 seconds. A gas version would have run me nearly $10k more at time of purchase if equipped identically. It gets the equivalent of 60 mpg to roughly 20 mpg in the gas truck, and I can charge it at home with the convenience of leaving the house full every day. Would I drive it to Montana? Nope. But I don't need it for that. And btw the way a fill up at a Tesla supercharger (which Fords can use) usually takes around 20 minutes. I respect everyone's opinion but it appears perhaps some of the misinformation in the media about evs made it to you. Evs aren't for everyone and if you don't want one please ignore them. Have a fantastic day and thank you so much for watching.
@@Thingswithwheels1 This year we made it from AZ to Oregon and back. We frequently travel 120 miles each way to camp. I see these trucks still listed at 80k. I also see ice trucks up there too. Rediculous...46k is a rippin deal!
@jasoncolemanarizonaloanoff1574 I appreciate that thank you. I really enjoy it but I know it's not for everybody. And I love my fossil fuels too! I own a Wrangler, Corvette and an Expedition too! Have a good day.
No Electric is not 100% clean. But in my local (Metro West in Mass)I have the ability to use the regular electricity which is listed as 50-60% renewable or I can pay couple cents more per kw for 80% renewable. Thats pretty clean. depends on where you live. There are many reasons to consider an EV. Financial being #1. Environment #2. Could be vise versa but then you are attacked. I think it opens the market to more freedom of choice at this point also. So many people claim they are already being forced to buy EV. WRONG!! Not yet. And when we are forced at some point YEARS down the road I bet all the nay sayers will be YAY sayers by that time with technological advancements eclipsing gas cars massively. The gas car will be like a horse grazing in the field thankful it can just take it easy now lol
@@brita654 Environment? How are batteriee made for electric vehicles ? Is it by digging and mining? Using slave labor and gasoline? Where do dead batteries go? Recycled? Can you recycle lythium batteries? What is the replacement cost right now for that bank of batteries? How much more are tires for the Tesla than even a Corvette? What blows my mind is how China is producing super cheap electric cars right now vs usa.
EV'S certainly aren't for everyone.
True, but they will work for most people.
Most people don't tow.
Most people don't take long distance 2,000 mile road trips on a regular basis. They mostly drive regionally near home.
Tesla sold 1.8 million EVs at a profit in 2023.
That's far more than twice as many gas F150s sold by Ford.
Solar ? So you traded a light bill. For a solar panel bill. Your ripped off. At least i know unplug everything except fridge and necessary items and my light bill drops. You get a 2% increase per year for like 25 years for the panels that last 18 to 20 years. Your logic. Ain't logic
@moth450 I bought the system 2 years ago for a set price. My payment doesn't change. At that time it provided roughly a $40k savings over the usable lifespan of the system over the then current cost of electricity. Rates for electricity have only gone up since then so I don't really get your point.
@@Thingswithwheels1 you bought a solar set for like what, 65k. So you lost money. No one ever talks about the monthly solar bill. Just " I have a 13 buck light bill." This isn't true. The solar is free installation ( tax payer [you]funded. And you get charged a set price of what 225 to 275 a month? For 25 years.
@moth450 I definitely got a big tax rebate of which a little I funded. 100% right. I figured it was better to benefit from it than not to. But hey if you ultimately want to spend more for your energy overall than I do, by all means I support your right to do so. All the best to you and thank you for watching.
Great Video - Perfect summary, very well described facts. I wish all EV haters would watch this honest description of the facts. Thank you!
I really appreciate that thank you. I tried to think of what I would want to know if I was thinking of a Lightning or even just an ev in general. More content on the way! Thank you for watching!
I tell everyone if you don't have a way to charge at home DO NOT buy EV. you will be a slave to public charging and waste of time.
100% the best value in an EV is home charging. Thanks for watching!
And you wont save any money. I installed my home charger and it costs equivalent to 60 cents per gallon vs $3.50 per gallon with my old truck.
I dont mind it be an EV but stop making it look weird. The front end light stripe looks cheap.
@OriginalYTBR I actually bought the Lightning in part because it looks "normal" unlike the Cybertruck. But I respect your opinion and appreciate you tuning in!
im really interested in a EV truck. would kill two birds with one stone... Have the truck for all the truck needs(the bed) i dont tow much. and have a commuter for work(30mi away). can also charge free at work
Free charging at work makes EVs a no brainer in my opinion. I would still install a level 2 charger at home too, and with that combination you're operating for literally pennies on the dollar compared to the gas counterpart. Thank you for watching!
70% of 240 is 168 miles, not 140 miles.
@alraguc on the highway the truck doesn't have the full 240 miles of range, that's in town. The highway range is closer to 200 miles on 100%, but since you can't drive to 0% (hence using a low end of 10%), and it slows down charging above 80%, then for my estimate I'm using 200 miles x 70% = 140 miles between charges on a highway trip. Thanks for watching and for all of your comments, I appreciate it!
Hybrids make sense.
I think it depends on the use case, but I agree and it appears many automakers are swinging back in that direction. If I were to highway travel a lot I likely would have gone hybrid. Thanks for watching!
Within 20 seconds of the video you said you bought a SR. Enough said.
@ph7346 yes, I bought a SR. Thanks for watching.
The reason this will never work until tech improves is no one wants to buy a new 25k battery at 8 years of age. An ICE truck can go 15+ yrs without major repairs. At 25k for a battery ur better off just getting a new car
@@GrabBagEntertainment except that individual cells fail not the entire battery, and the cells can be repaired for a few thousand. And many evs are over 200k with zero electrical issues. Thanks for watching.
I bought a Ford Lightning before I watched this I’m I going to turn gay now
@@julius.150 yay for you?
Lightnings are only good for city/rural neighborhoods people. NOT for country/backroads kind of people. States like Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Montana, Utah, New Mexico should not own electric vehicles
@NoonMight that is certainly an opinion. I would think anybody who commutes under 75 miles each way to work and can home charge would do great with one of these, but home and or work charging is the key. Thanks for watching.
Today’s EV will depreciate very rapidly as the newer models get released with newer tech and higher range. We are one administration from EVs going bye bye. Try trading your EV in on a newer EV, this in of itself is scary. No EV for me ever.
When was the last time the oil companies said " hey lets give the American people a $ 1.00 a gallon discount" your a fool fool for the scumbag oil companies
@@patriotone755 I respect your opinion even if I don't agree with it. Thanks for watching.
And what do i care if i plan on keeping it 10-15 yeara or more.
@@alraguc absolutely!
@@alraguc 10 or 15 yrs? At least one or two very expensive battery replacements. Then the gov will tax you by the mile road tax since you are not paying a gasoline tax. Just sayin.😉
It isnt a truck. It looks like a truck, but it isnt one. I enjoyed the video, learned a couple things, but its not a truck.
Thanks for watching!
Then what is it?