Important correction: Asetek did NOT buy part of Granite Devices. In fact, Granite Devices sold Intellecutal Property to Asetek in exchange for shares and cash. Apologies for any confusion caused.
I don't consider these Expensive. Given what's offered from China. If you want good pedals. Pay for them!!! On the Other Side of the Table I can Genuinely Appreciate your clear and Honest Review of this Product. We need more Reviews like this from others!!
Thanks so much Darwin. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I too think that they're expensive for the average person but those who want them, will know and wont care about the money. I almost think they fit into the pro market more than the consumer market. Either way, they're pretty damn good.
I'm using Invictas quite extensively past 1 month time, using with Green elastomer (hardest) at 47 bars. I was always around 2.5k-2.7k irating, now in just 2 weeks I hit 3.2k easily and I know I can hit 4-5k with this pedal set. This is the fastest times on my life, and I'm quite happy coming from HE Ultimate+. Also, I don't agree pedal faces being too chewy, they did nothing to my Puma Speedcat, never saw any rubber sticking out from my shoes. I guess that is depending on the shoe quality as well. And I never caught my foot between the heel plate and the pedal which was my greatest fear for this pedal set, but it wasn't an issue for me. I will never change my pedals ever again. Asetek Invicta is the way to go.
That's awesome! And this is why it was difficult for me to advise in this video. Some people will love them, others will just not be able to use them properly. I'm really happy for you that your pedals have made SUCH a difference
Detailed and particular review - supremely detailed should you be in the market for some of these. Lawrence’s reviews are clear and take time to cover all aspects. Well worth a watch.
I sold my ultimates plus for these pedals. They do a much better job for iracing(8K driver) in braking. Im running them in 59 bar with the white rubber. Used the heusinkvelds for 2 years but never fell in love with them. These are great. The short throw is perfect. The only small downside are the pedal plates indeed.Also I use like 4%,5% deadzone which I find is the perfect spot for trailbraking.
Thanks for the review, I have been running the Asetek Invicta for a few weeks now , I switched them out over the HE sprints . I loved the HE Sprints , but I would never go back to them after trying out these invictas. The negatives to me are , soft throttle spring ( my biggest complaint) , lack of side to side adjustability , noisy , color scheme , lack of software ability to save files for each car . The positives to me are , amazing brake " best I've tested so far" , ease of tool less adjustments , LED's , seem to be built well , and customer support has been excellent. The grippy petals are not an issue for me as I run then with racing shoes . I tend to switch out sim hardware from time to time , but in this case I might hold on to these for a long time
@@philrob4468 The brakes squeaks a little bit from time. Some slap sound from hitting the bump stock screw on the throttle under hard acceleration. Nothing that's a deal breaker tho , Defiantly not as quiet as the HF sprints
I had the pedals now 3 weeks on my rig and have finally decided to go back to my Meca Cup 1. The pedals are great but I can confirm some points from your review. Especially the high force needed to even get into the second phase of the brake. With the middle elastomere it should be 35bar (65Kg) according to the instructions. For me, however, it was rather 40bar and that was too much in the long run, which is why I never benefited from the second phase. With the soft elastomere was the pedal feel not good at all which is why I decided to sell the pedals again because I am much more flexible with the Meca Cup 1 regarding the settings of the pedal feel at the force I apply. The pedal plates are really very "abrasive" and I was just like you with the rubber abrasion of the shoes. In addition, it has always pulled me the foot on the brake up over the heel rest by the high grip which had the consequence that you have to reposition his foot after each harder braking. In the video it looks at you also easily what but perhaps also happens subconsciously. No question, the brake gives a great feeling even in phase 1 but for me personally I do not see the benefit compared to the Meca Cup 1 when I compress anyway only one elastomer.
Wow that's interesting. Yeah I'm glad I'm not the only one who experienced this. I never watch other reviews before I release mine so sometimes I take notes but think to myself "Does this make me sound crazy" :p It's good to hear from someone who has had similar issues to me. Thanks for your comment!
Great breakdown. I just installed my set tonight. For me the only thing I don’t like about them is, as you pointed out the grippy heel plate with the lines and raised lettering. Smooth pedal faces would be so much better but judging by your video they are not adjustable at all with only 1 set of holes on them 😞 Other than that I think I’m going to live these pedals. Took me 4 laps to match my PB at Monza from last week (using Meca Cup 1’s) in the pCup car and I repeated it on Lap 5 with 0.016 difference. I think that’s pretty amazing and says a lot about these pedals to be on pace with them pretty much instantly.
I was looking at buying the smooth ones too but after seeing there is not much adjustment I designed and printed my own, the advantage is I can have a wider throttle pedal and it still leaves the holes in the back available to have rumble added to it too
These look pretty good. I need to replace my HPP JBVs. They barely work and Mark from HPP sold the ip to a company in Europe and closed down the website. No info on support nor does he reply to emails. The company that bought the rights isn’t responsible for the pedal sets HPP sold. Waste of $1600
Yeah I wasn't sure what to think about the Invicta's. There's certainly a lot of great marketing from the company and hype. No doubt a great product. But a few things that I don't like. No adjustment of the pedals on the plate itself, what you see is what you get. No adjustment to raise the plate higher? don't see that either, maybe it exists. Other then the pedal plates chewing up shoes like you mention they seem like a very nice set.
yeah some people claim their shoes don't get chewed up. it could just be my shoes, I dunno. Yeah there's no adjustment on the baseplate unfortunately. But yeah all in all they're a great set
Love it. “I often imagine a world where sim racing exists but real racing doesn’t. “ I often imagine a world where platform games exist but plumbers don’t. I often imagine a world where soccer games exist but balls don’t. I often imagine a world where military sims exist but guns don’t. Etc. Wakka wakka. Great review. Very interesting analogy with super cars and their issues, premium etc. I’ll be interested to see what they release at a cheaper price point.
I agree completely with you about the throttle, the pedal face is far too grippy, the foot sticks to the pedal and travels with it, when it returns to the base place, it gets caught on this heel rest. This is extremely annoying, and I don't believe Asetek has seriously studied the functionality of that pedal. I fixed this problem easily, I mounted the backside to front.. not optimal. There is more of a design problem, that cable on top of the braking cylinder : it gets pushed every time you move the rig, work on it, or worse, when visitors pass by. The pedal plate slightly reaches out behind the monitors, and this cable will be the first part to break and make the pedal fail. It's just stupidly vulnerable to damage. I cut a plastic bottle in half and stacked it on top of the cylinder.
I know this is a bit of a stretch, but how would you say the Invicta compare to the HE Sprints? I currently have Sprints and love them, but I'd love to upgrade to Hydraulic pedals somewhere down the line.
HE-pedals have the advantage that you can tune them more to your liking, but also another: they are easy to mod. I own the Ultimates and some people switched them against the VRS-pedals (only a pressure-spring) saying: doesn't feel like a real brake, but you've more control. I was curious and since I had some pressure-springs left from my rig-suspension that fit perfectly, I replaced the last elastomer with a spring (rest plastic) and I immediately know what's better: No rebound-lag. The pedal is always like glued to your foot and I can see the rebound-lag in this video as well, so same problem. I'm using a pretty beefy 50 mm long spring (stiffness: 55 Nm/mm, means 56 kg of force needed for 10 mm of compression, which is almost total) and after only the load-cell flexes. So IMO springs are better than both elastomeres and hydraulics for sim-racing and I was immediately faster.
@@LaurenceDusoswa Haha. I think I'll stick with my Sprints until someone releases an affordable set of inverted hydraulic pedals. I can't live without inverted pedals lol.
Which my answer to what would Sim racing be like with out real car... We would be using keyboards, Controllers and HOTAS flight sim stuff as tha is our only refence for inputs and what anyone whould have. And the sims would be closer to DCS,ARMA and lack any kind of driver safty or assits outside of cheats. Like think about having 1,00 Horser power, straight 100 gas engine you had to hand crank and have insane aero. You drive like F-Zero,Road racer or the fictional cars of Grand Tourismo... And it would bacsily be sci-fi like Star trek command an Starship sim... I knida want a game like that now.
Thanks for the shout out on the Thingiverse files ! Like you the faces were just too abrasive. BUT with wanting to put haptic rumble on them it would be difficult with the smooth faces (as I used the holes in the plate). Overall can't fault your review and I LOVE them compared to the sprints, I would like a harder spring on the throttle but that is my only gripe
You’re very welcome. You’ve gone to some effort which I really can’t take any credit for :) the sprints are decent but not this good for sure. Yeah the throttle needs a little work. Thanks for the comment ❤️
Also, real race cars outside of f1 actually have long brake pedal travel. Rally, gt3 etc are much longer travel, and a lmp2 video I watched had even more travel than gt3
The whole the gas pedal is simple so we didn't try thing... is not what most car companies feel on the matter... Like Mazda prides it's self on the gas pedal expeernce in their MX-30 a sub copmpact CUV that does not cost more then $40k... Heck Ford cares as my Ecoboost Mustang premuim gas pedal is linar and long and feel fanasic on the floor for what limited times I needed it. So I don't get their argument.
I don't think they're not trying. I think they believe it to be functional 'enough'. I would be surprised if they don't address the throttle for future iterations
I really want to try these and waiting for my preorder to be called but in the meantime picked up a set of Simtrecs And wow, very very good pedal set. WAy better looking, more adjustment but they cost more.
Nice review, but the brake-travel of race-cars are typically not that short, rather the opposite, watch "Real Race Cars Have HUGE Brake Pedal Travel!... What?!" or just search yourself for "onboard pedal cam" and try to find even once example for this short travel. I certainly couldn't...
Yeah I stayed out of that debate really :p I know what you mean about the videos. It's difficult to know what's the correct answer but the theory that Asetek swears by is difficult to argue with.
@@LaurenceDusoswa For static sim-racing having a more pressure based brake makes sense and is my experience as well, but in a car with longitudinal g-force pushing you forward depending on the deceleration, so grip and other circumstances, it make sense to have a potentiometer reference as well.
oh yeah? I'm interested to hear why you think that. I found it difficult to express why the heel rest doesn't suit me like many other pedals sets. I'd love to hear your thoughts.
@@LaurenceDusoswa maybe I have to get used to it. but I always slip my heel over the last lip. But I haven't changed the angle of the pedals or the flats yet. I'll do more with it when I'm free. think that a straight surface would have been almost better
Too many Limitations of this pedal set at this pricepoint. Brake travel and no spacing on the pedals left and right is an immediate no for alot of drivers. As it doesnt allow you to get to your own specific comfort position. Which is the most important to replicate same braking forces turn after turn. Opinions vary but thats mine.
could be yeah. I guess on most real cars you can't vary the spacing between pedals. Even on many high end floor mounted pedal boxes in real cars you don't have this adjustment. I think it's a little like Apple products. The limitations are actually a factor that many want. i.e. it's difficult to make these pedals feel terrible whereas with many others, it's easy to mess one thing up and all of a sudden the pedals feel pretty crap. Great to see your feedback. I know Asetek is reading all these comments too
About the calibration : I admire some lack of competence of reviewers in their enthusiasm, except Karl Gosling. There should be almost no breaking effect as the orange knob at the bottom moves to the oil cylinder until blocked, as this simulates the closing in of the clamps to the breaking disc, called soft stage. from the manual "while you build up pressure, while the caliper pistons are traveling to and pushing the brake pads against the brake disc, and to compensate for the small amount of play in all the mechanical parts on the pedal system ..." However the calibration seems to measures a brake pressure straight from the beginning when there should be none! This initial pressure, also called brake preload force, should be light for ordinary cars, as it only simulates the travel of mechanical movements of the disc brake system BEFORE braking, it simulates mainly the travel of the pedal before the build up of pressure in the oil cylinder, and the closing of the clamps pushed by a piston after the build up of pressure in the oil cyclinder. So there really should be 3 Stages. Anybody who owns a CBR kind of bike can check this and feel its handbrake, no brake effect for some mm, there is some adjustable play/travel in a motorcycle brake hand grip BEFORE pressure is build up in the oil cylinder, and then there is some play until the clamps are moved to touch the disk AFTER the pressure build up in the oil cylinder. First one side of the clamps are pushed to the disk by a piston moved by oil pressure, then the other side is pushed to the disc. Until both sides of the clamps touch the disks, (transition point between soft and hard phase) there is no real brake effect, only more speedloss than throttle off only, because of the light friction on the discs. To feel this transition point is the most important thing in braking! The hard stage starts, where there is no travel anymore neither in the grip (or the pedal) nor in the clamps, and the hand (foot) pressure calibrates the braking force. CarRacing is not like Bikeracing, and not like approaching a crossing or red light, slowly breaking down increasingly hard. Its the opposite. Distance of speedloss should be as short as possible, going from stage 1 quickly to stage 2, increased braking to slowly let go. Its more like a ball jumping in front of the car and braking hard like expecting a kid running behind it. Racing tires, the more wider their surface on the road, are supposed to resist better to such braking force than a motorcycle whose tires touch the road with less than a cm... The soft stage should be light, and easy to overcome, to engage the “hard stage”, however the softest elastomer already requires a pressure of 20bar, 50kg for 12mm of travel, black elastomer (Road cars) (which is 1/3 of my max. braking power...) 35bar, 65kg, 9mm of travel, white elastomer (Rally, Nascar, and GT) 50bar, 100kg, 6mm of travel green elastomer (Formula, LMP cars) (which is 2/3 of my max.braking power) I wonder what would happen if those who feel that 50kg is already too much don't use elastomers at all. Will the oil cylinder burst when it is not protected by the pressure that goes into the elastomer? You can change the elastomers but can you decide not to use them at all ? No Warning in the Asetek Manual. That should have been a part of your review! As you brake, you don't really see, and it takes some time to feel the pressure and the travel distance of the transition point going from the soft stage to the hard stage with the black elastomer, and it is almost undetectable with the green elastomer. But anyway the softstage should not give any braking force right at the touch of the pedal in the calibration process, and if it does, Asatek THORP system is wrong (advertisement), as the elastomer may already set up a bit of pressure in the oil cylinder, but not yet on the brakes. It should be defined as dead zone, at least for half of the pressure of the 1st stage, or until it hits the hard stage. Asetek should really give more clearly recommandations to the calibration of the brakes or include a phase 1 to phase 2 threshold in their software. However, elastomer only braking systems answer inconsistently to pressure, when they are "cold", their resistance is higher and travel is shorter, after already 5minutes of repeated pressure, the material of elestomers heaten up and soften down, the same braking force gives more travel, I found that I need to race at least for 20minutes to make these inconsistancies fade away. Needless to say that the pressure and travel of elastomers is different whether they are used in summer or winter, at 20 or at 35°... but then, maybe it's the same in real cars but only for stage 1 not for the stage 2 oil pressure ... Anyway, people who want a lot of travel in the brakes, may always use the clutch pedal as the brake pedal in their game...
@@LaurenceDusoswa Well, sorry for triggering your ego, ;-), but I would like your competent opinion anyway. After using them for a while, with about 20% of dead zone for the soft stage, I found that I really feel how heavy I can keep my foot comfortably on the pedal, without heating up the break disc, like I would do in real racing. Being this ready to push for breaking really reduces the time to brake to a minimum. And I think tha's what Asetek intended to offer to its customers.
These pedals are very overpriced when you see the level of quality that simtrecs pedals are made to and the amount of adjustments available. The pre-order price was appropriate for them. However at full price I wouldn’t even consider them period.
Important correction: Asetek did NOT buy part of Granite Devices. In fact, Granite Devices sold Intellecutal Property to Asetek in exchange for shares and cash. Apologies for any confusion caused.
I don't consider these Expensive.
Given what's offered from China.
If you want good pedals. Pay for them!!!
On the Other Side of the Table
I can Genuinely Appreciate your clear and Honest Review of this Product.
We need more Reviews like this from others!!
Thanks so much Darwin. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I too think that they're expensive for the average person but those who want them, will know and wont care about the money. I almost think they fit into the pro market more than the consumer market. Either way, they're pretty damn good.
Grape review! Thanks for pointing out the pros and cons, really helps to decide on a set. Especially since we're spoiled for choice nowadays 👍
Who doesn’t like grape? 😜
GRAPE
I'm using Invictas quite extensively past 1 month time, using with Green elastomer (hardest) at 47 bars. I was always around 2.5k-2.7k irating, now in just 2 weeks I hit 3.2k easily and I know I can hit 4-5k with this pedal set. This is the fastest times on my life, and I'm quite happy coming from HE Ultimate+. Also, I don't agree pedal faces being too chewy, they did nothing to my Puma Speedcat, never saw any rubber sticking out from my shoes. I guess that is depending on the shoe quality as well. And I never caught my foot between the heel plate and the pedal which was my greatest fear for this pedal set, but it wasn't an issue for me. I will never change my pedals ever again. Asetek Invicta is the way to go.
That's awesome! And this is why it was difficult for me to advise in this video. Some people will love them, others will just not be able to use them properly. I'm really happy for you that your pedals have made SUCH a difference
Detailed and particular review - supremely detailed should you be in the market for some of these. Lawrence’s reviews are clear and take time to cover all aspects. Well worth a watch.
Great points at the 14:30 ish mark regarding 2 phase vs 3 etc. Good vid!
I sold my ultimates plus for these pedals. They do a much better job for iracing(8K driver) in braking. Im running them in 59 bar with the white rubber. Used the heusinkvelds for 2 years but never fell in love with them. These are great. The short throw is perfect. The only small downside are the pedal plates indeed.Also I use like 4%,5% deadzone which I find is the perfect spot for trailbraking.
Thanks for the review, I have been running the Asetek Invicta for a few weeks now , I switched them out over the HE sprints . I loved the HE Sprints , but I would never go back to them after trying out these invictas. The negatives to me are , soft throttle spring ( my biggest complaint) , lack of side to side adjustability , noisy , color scheme , lack of software ability to save files for each car . The positives to me are , amazing brake " best I've tested so far" , ease of tool less adjustments , LED's , seem to be built well , and customer support has been excellent. The grippy petals are not an issue for me as I run then with racing shoes . I tend to switch out sim hardware from time to time , but in this case I might hold on to these for a long time
Awesome feedback ❤️ thanks for taking the time to comment on my video
What's loud about them?
@@philrob4468 Sweaky sound coming from the brake petal as the brake decompresses. I believe some lube might cure the condition.
@@philrob4468 The brakes squeaks a little bit from time. Some slap sound from hitting the bump stock screw on the throttle under hard acceleration. Nothing that's a deal breaker tho ,
Defiantly not as quiet as the HF sprints
is there anyway to reduce the noise with rubber stops please?
I had the pedals now 3 weeks on my rig and have finally decided to go back to my Meca Cup 1.
The pedals are great but I can confirm some points from your review. Especially the high force needed to even get into the second phase of the brake.
With the middle elastomere it should be 35bar (65Kg) according to the instructions. For me, however, it was rather 40bar and that was too much in the long run, which is why I never benefited from the second phase. With the soft elastomere was the pedal feel not good at all which is why I decided to sell the pedals again because I am much more flexible with the Meca Cup 1 regarding the settings of the pedal feel at the force I apply.
The pedal plates are really very "abrasive" and I was just like you with the rubber abrasion of the shoes. In addition, it has always pulled me the foot on the brake up over the heel rest by the high grip which had the consequence that you have to reposition his foot after each harder braking. In the video it looks at you also easily what but perhaps also happens subconsciously.
No question, the brake gives a great feeling even in phase 1 but for me personally I do not see the benefit compared to the Meca Cup 1 when I compress anyway only one elastomer.
Wow that's interesting. Yeah I'm glad I'm not the only one who experienced this. I never watch other reviews before I release mine so sometimes I take notes but think to myself "Does this make me sound crazy" :p It's good to hear from someone who has had similar issues to me. Thanks for your comment!
Another honest and detailed review LD👍
Thanks Raphael! These review will be the death of me :p so much detail, but it's worth it... I think... :p
Great breakdown. I just installed my set tonight. For me the only thing I don’t like about them is, as you pointed out the grippy heel plate with the lines and raised lettering. Smooth pedal faces would be so much better but judging by your video they are not adjustable at all with only 1 set of holes on them 😞
Other than that I think I’m going to live these pedals. Took me 4 laps to match my PB at Monza from last week (using Meca Cup 1’s) in the pCup car and I repeated it on Lap 5 with 0.016 difference. I think that’s pretty amazing and says a lot about these pedals to be on pace with them pretty much instantly.
I was looking at buying the smooth ones too but after seeing there is not much adjustment I designed and printed my own, the advantage is I can have a wider throttle pedal and it still leaves the holes in the back available to have rumble added to it too
Great job again LD. Excellent review well done:
These look pretty good. I need to replace my HPP JBVs. They barely work and Mark from HPP sold the ip to a company in Europe and closed down the website. No info on support nor does he reply to emails. The company that bought the rights isn’t responsible for the pedal sets HPP sold. Waste of $1600
Yeah I wasn't sure what to think about the Invicta's. There's certainly a lot of great marketing from the company and hype. No doubt a great product. But a few things that I don't like. No adjustment of the pedals on the plate itself, what you see is what you get. No adjustment to raise the plate higher? don't see that either, maybe it exists. Other then the pedal plates chewing up shoes like you mention they seem like a very nice set.
yeah some people claim their shoes don't get chewed up. it could just be my shoes, I dunno. Yeah there's no adjustment on the baseplate unfortunately. But yeah all in all they're a great set
Wish I had these pedals, seems like they can stand Laurence's heavy feet 🐾 pressure pretty nicely indeed, really nice looking too
they're really something else. I have the FORTE on my rig now and i'm SUPER impressed with them. They're a bit more within my comfort zone.
Love it.
“I often imagine a world where sim racing exists but real racing doesn’t. “
I often imagine a world where platform games exist but plumbers don’t.
I often imagine a world where soccer games exist but balls don’t.
I often imagine a world where military sims exist but guns don’t.
Etc. Wakka wakka.
Great review. Very interesting analogy with super cars and their issues, premium etc.
I’ll be interested to see what they release at a cheaper price point.
If you would have to choose only one of: meca cup1, HE sprint and Asetek Forte, which would you go? Thanks
tough choice. Right now, I think the Forte represent the best value for money
Good critical review.
What wheelstand or cockpit would work well without drilling extra hole
I don't think any will fit these pedals without the need to drill
I have been debating the Asetek Invicta between Simtrec Pro GT. Have you used both? What are your thoughts
Unfortunately I don't have experience with the the Simtrec, sorry :(
Compared to SIMAGIC P2000, what do you think?
Nice video :)
I agree completely with you about the throttle, the pedal face is far too grippy, the foot sticks to the pedal and travels with it, when it returns to the base place, it gets caught on this heel rest. This is extremely annoying, and I don't believe Asetek has seriously studied the functionality of that pedal. I fixed this problem easily, I mounted the backside to front.. not optimal.
There is more of a design problem, that cable on top of the braking cylinder : it gets pushed every time you move the rig, work on it, or worse, when visitors pass by.
The pedal plate slightly reaches out behind the monitors, and this cable will be the first part to break and make the pedal fail.
It's just stupidly vulnerable to damage. I cut a plastic bottle in half and stacked it on top of the cylinder.
I know this is a bit of a stretch, but how would you say the Invicta compare to the HE Sprints?
I currently have Sprints and love them, but I'd love to upgrade to Hydraulic pedals somewhere down the line.
HE-pedals have the advantage that you can tune them more to your liking, but also another: they are easy to mod. I own the Ultimates and some people switched them against the VRS-pedals (only a pressure-spring) saying: doesn't feel like a real brake, but you've more control. I was curious and since I had some pressure-springs left from my rig-suspension that fit perfectly, I replaced the last elastomer with a spring (rest plastic) and I immediately know what's better: No rebound-lag. The pedal is always like glued to your foot and I can see the rebound-lag in this video as well, so same problem. I'm using a pretty beefy 50 mm long spring (stiffness: 55 Nm/mm, means 56 kg of force needed for 10 mm of compression, which is almost total) and after only the load-cell flexes. So IMO springs are better than both elastomeres and hydraulics for sim-racing and I was immediately faster.
Having reviewed both, the Invictas are definitely better than the sprints. The sprints are good but not in the same league.
@@LaurenceDusoswa Damn, not in the same league huh? I thought the Sprints were my end-game pedals but I guess not 😅
Maybe I’m being a bit harsh 😂 but they’re better than sprints for sure
@@LaurenceDusoswa Haha.
I think I'll stick with my Sprints until someone releases an affordable set of inverted hydraulic pedals. I can't live without inverted pedals lol.
leaning sim magic P2000 over these. as I primarily drive bare foot with my v3 pedals or in socks so these faceplates loook like cheese graters
Check out the asetek fortes too ;)
@@LaurenceDusoswa I wanted to give Hydraulics a try!! but do appreciate your feedback
Do they have an option to make the brake and throttle further apart?
nope
@@LaurenceDusoswa bummer. It’s a no go for me!
They do now
Which my answer to what would Sim racing be like with out real car... We would be using keyboards, Controllers and HOTAS flight sim stuff as tha is our only refence for inputs and what anyone whould have. And the sims would be closer to DCS,ARMA and lack any kind of driver safty or assits outside of cheats. Like think about having 1,00 Horser power, straight 100 gas engine you had to hand crank and have insane aero. You drive like F-Zero,Road racer or the fictional cars of Grand Tourismo... And it would bacsily be sci-fi like Star trek command an Starship sim... I knida want a game like that now.
haha yeah it's an interesting topic to hypothesize about! I'd love to listen to a podcast on the subject
Thanks for the shout out on the Thingiverse files ! Like you the faces were just too abrasive. BUT with wanting to put haptic rumble on them it would be difficult with the smooth faces (as I used the holes in the plate).
Overall can't fault your review and I LOVE them compared to the sprints, I would like a harder spring on the throttle but that is my only gripe
You’re very welcome. You’ve gone to some effort which I really can’t take any credit for :) the sprints are decent but not this good for sure. Yeah the throttle needs a little work. Thanks for the comment ❤️
Also, real race cars outside of f1 actually have long brake pedal travel. Rally, gt3 etc are much longer travel, and a lmp2 video I watched had even more travel than gt3
The whole the gas pedal is simple so we didn't try thing... is not what most car companies feel on the matter... Like Mazda prides it's self on the gas pedal expeernce in their MX-30 a sub copmpact CUV that does not cost more then $40k... Heck Ford cares as my Ecoboost Mustang premuim gas pedal is linar and long and feel fanasic on the floor for what limited times I needed it. So I don't get their argument.
I don't think they're not trying. I think they believe it to be functional 'enough'. I would be surprised if they don't address the throttle for future iterations
I really want to try these and waiting for my preorder to be called but in the meantime picked up a set of Simtrecs And wow, very very good pedal set. WAy better looking, more adjustment but they cost more.
Nice review, but the brake-travel of race-cars are typically not that short, rather the opposite, watch "Real Race Cars Have HUGE Brake Pedal Travel!... What?!" or just search yourself for "onboard pedal cam" and try to find even once example for this short travel. I certainly couldn't...
Yeah I stayed out of that debate really :p I know what you mean about the videos. It's difficult to know what's the correct answer but the theory that Asetek swears by is difficult to argue with.
@@LaurenceDusoswa For static sim-racing having a more pressure based brake makes sense and is my experience as well, but in a car with longitudinal g-force pushing you forward depending on the deceleration, so grip and other circumstances, it make sense to have a potentiometer reference as well.
I receive them a week ago. For my opinion they are great Pedals. But the Heel Rest is a joke.
oh yeah? I'm interested to hear why you think that. I found it difficult to express why the heel rest doesn't suit me like many other pedals sets. I'd love to hear your thoughts.
@@LaurenceDusoswa maybe I have to get used to it. but I always slip my heel over the last lip. But I haven't changed the angle of the pedals or the flats yet. I'll do more with it when I'm free. think that a straight surface would have been almost better
so simagic still FTW? lol
There are so many great choices now
The extreme lack of brake travel is what makes this undesirable for me.
yeah you can see in some of the video footage that there is travel, but just not a huge amount. It's definitely not for everyone
It's how a genuine race car pedal feels so not for everyone.
Too many Limitations of this pedal set at this pricepoint. Brake travel and no spacing on the pedals left and right is an immediate no for alot of drivers. As it doesnt allow you to get to your own specific comfort position. Which is the most important to replicate same braking forces turn after turn. Opinions vary but thats mine.
could be yeah. I guess on most real cars you can't vary the spacing between pedals. Even on many high end floor mounted pedal boxes in real cars you don't have this adjustment. I think it's a little like Apple products. The limitations are actually a factor that many want. i.e. it's difficult to make these pedals feel terrible whereas with many others, it's easy to mess one thing up and all of a sudden the pedals feel pretty crap. Great to see your feedback. I know Asetek is reading all these comments too
About the calibration : I admire some lack of competence of reviewers in their enthusiasm, except Karl Gosling.
There should be almost no breaking effect as the orange knob at the bottom moves to the oil cylinder until blocked,
as this simulates the closing in of the clamps to the breaking disc, called soft stage.
from the manual
"while you build up pressure, while the caliper pistons are traveling to and pushing the brake pads against the brake disc, and to compensate for the small amount of play in all the mechanical parts on the pedal system ..."
However the calibration seems to measures a brake pressure straight from the beginning when there should be none!
This initial pressure, also called brake preload force, should be light for ordinary cars,
as it only simulates the travel of mechanical movements of the disc brake system BEFORE braking,
it simulates mainly the travel of the pedal before the build up of pressure in the oil cylinder, and the closing of the clamps pushed by a piston after the build up of pressure in the oil cyclinder.
So there really should be 3 Stages.
Anybody who owns a CBR kind of bike can check this and feel its handbrake, no brake effect for some mm,
there is some adjustable play/travel in a motorcycle brake hand grip BEFORE pressure is build up in the oil cylinder,
and then there is some play until the clamps are moved to touch the disk AFTER the pressure build up in the oil cylinder.
First one side of the clamps are pushed to the disk by a piston moved by oil pressure, then the other side is pushed to the disc.
Until both sides of the clamps touch the disks, (transition point between soft and hard phase) there is no real brake effect, only more speedloss than throttle off only, because of the light friction on the discs. To feel this transition point is the most important thing in braking!
The hard stage starts, where there is no travel anymore neither in the grip (or the pedal) nor in the clamps, and the hand (foot) pressure calibrates the braking force.
CarRacing is not like Bikeracing, and not like approaching a crossing or red light, slowly breaking down increasingly hard.
Its the opposite.
Distance of speedloss should be as short as possible, going from stage 1 quickly to stage 2, increased braking to slowly let go.
Its more like a ball jumping in front of the car and braking hard like expecting a kid running behind it.
Racing tires, the more wider their surface on the road, are supposed to resist better to such braking force than a motorcycle whose tires touch the road with less than a cm...
The soft stage should be light, and easy to overcome, to engage the “hard stage”,
however the softest elastomer already requires a pressure of
20bar, 50kg for 12mm of travel, black elastomer (Road cars) (which is 1/3 of my max. braking power...)
35bar, 65kg, 9mm of travel, white elastomer (Rally, Nascar, and GT)
50bar, 100kg, 6mm of travel green elastomer (Formula, LMP cars) (which is 2/3 of my max.braking power)
I wonder what would happen if those who feel that 50kg is already too much don't use elastomers at all.
Will the oil cylinder burst when it is not protected by the pressure that goes into the elastomer?
You can change the elastomers but can you decide not to use them at all ?
No Warning in the Asetek Manual.
That should have been a part of your review!
As you brake, you don't really see, and it takes some time to feel the pressure and the travel distance of the transition point going from the soft stage to the hard stage with the black elastomer, and it is almost undetectable with the green elastomer.
But anyway the softstage should not give any braking force right at the touch of the pedal in the calibration process,
and if it does, Asatek THORP system is wrong (advertisement), as the elastomer may already set up a bit of pressure in the oil cylinder, but not yet on the brakes.
It should be defined as dead zone, at least for half of the pressure of the 1st stage, or until it hits the hard stage.
Asetek should really give more clearly recommandations to the calibration of the brakes or include a phase 1 to phase 2 threshold in their software.
However, elastomer only braking systems answer inconsistently to pressure, when they are "cold", their resistance is higher and travel is shorter, after already 5minutes of repeated pressure, the material of elestomers heaten up and soften down, the same braking force gives more travel, I found that I need to race at least for 20minutes to make these inconsistancies fade away. Needless to say that the pressure and travel of elastomers is different whether they are used in summer or winter, at 20 or at 35°... but then, maybe it's the same in real cars but only for stage 1 not for the stage 2 oil pressure ...
Anyway, people who want a lot of travel in the brakes, may always use the clutch pedal as the brake pedal in their game...
Sorry about my lack of competence 😂
@@LaurenceDusoswa Well, sorry for triggering your ego, ;-), but I would like your competent opinion anyway. After using them for a while, with about 20% of dead zone for the soft stage, I found that I really feel how heavy I can keep my foot comfortably on the pedal, without heating up the break disc, like I would do in real racing. Being this ready to push for breaking really reduces the time to brake to a minimum. And I think tha's what Asetek intended to offer to its customers.
Sorry bro, I'd rather buy a ebike for that much cheddar. Way way too much and extra for the "good" pedals. Nope
These pedals are very overpriced when you see the level of quality that simtrecs pedals are made to and the amount of adjustments available.
The pre-order price was appropriate for them. However at full price I wouldn’t even consider them period.