These pedals stimulate what a brake feels like in the pits, not while racing. Real race care drivers have spoken about the brakes feeling like a brick in the pits but when driving the brake feels a lot softer because of the inertia pushing on your leg which helps to load the pedal. Sometimes replicating realistic numbers can create an unrealistic environment.
Can you please provide measurements and formulas for that rubbish claim? If you believe the g-force pushes a drivers brake I don't know what else to say. Maybe they also hold on to the steering wheel so they don't get thrown out the window during cornering then? Maybe some of those drivers should've taken a physics class instead. If inertia pushes the break for them, strapped into full frame carbon seats, maybe they can also generate electricity from looking into the mirror. But fine, so in other words: buying full frame carbon seats for sim rigs is ok. Buying stupid fire proof FIA licensed racing gloves is ok. Buying racing shoes is okay. Some very respected members even sitting there in full suits is okay. Brands hyping their "true to real" equipment or even advertising with "real driver" crap is also fine. But buying pedals that are a bit harder to push is not fine anymore. Gotcha. It's funny how the simracing community can't make any sense at all.
"the brake can withstand 396 pounds, which for normal people is 880 kilograms" This is a very simple mistake that should have been caught: you did the conversion backwards. 396kg would be 880lbs. The 396lb weight limit actually equates to 180kg.
Love the review! Yeah using shoes with the Asetek Invicta is almost a must imo. Tried myself to not use socks when i got used to them, but quickly switched over to shoes. Have also seen people use sandles, tho havent tried that yet, but that could help with the summer heat 😄
Asetek can get a bit of criticism but they have catered for people who complained about the stiffness. Long travel kit, face plates, elastomers and splitting the pedals
Interesting view, but here is my hot take: I think if you are the kind of person to actually spend big bucks on Hydraulic Pedals, then you are probably the kind of person that usually wears racing boots when simracing. I used to get holes in my socks with just Logitech pedals... I'm very much just a hobbyist simmer and I use the MOZA CRP set now and I personally found just socks un-drivable. Instead, I got a pair of Sparco Karting boots and they do the trick, what ever the weather. I understand Champion Joe's issues, I just don't think they align with someone paying cash money for them.
I agree on the part that the pedals are not friendly towards sock drivers. But I managed to customize them to be perfectly driveable with socks. 1. Softest elastomer 2. Long travel kit 3. HRS pedal face pads, because of their size, these are much more comfortable than the Forte pedal pads. Then I calibrated them to be at 67bar pressure at 100% of my brake force. Could go more, but this feels right to me. This way at around 60-70% brake force the THORP system enters the second stage. So I can use this for non-ABS cars to better feel when lockup might be imminent. Works like a charm. But with quite some extra money. Mind you, I've got the Invicta S pedals, the seperate version. But aside from this the pedals are technically the same as the "standard" Invictas. Love 'em. But if you want more than 15mm pedal travel, probably go for the other brands, VRS for example.
I need help setting these up, ugh I am not smart w these things. I have them and they are kind of holding me 9ack. which color is the softest one? i also just ordered the love travel kit. did it come w instructions?
Love Asetek products period! They nailed it..got to test the La Prima and Invicta both absolutely brilliant and think that's how a direct drive should feel now..I game on PC/console because of my son he races but console only so I buy products that are PC/console comp. it's a shame that Asetek has ignored the console players as well as Thrustmaster, I have A LOT of Thrustmaster gear that I have over the years Ferrari SF1000 T-LCM pedals etc... That just went to the way side when I went Fanatec F1 podium well now thrust came out with a DD but of course no console support, why does console get looked over so much?
From my own experience, I can confirm that you have to get used to the stiffness (depending on what pedalset you came from) but in the end, it helped me at least to be able to be way finer with the brake input than before. But I also have to admit that I always race with shoes, so the plate etc. aren´t really an issue for me - Rene
Not hydraulic but I’ve juste received my Venym pedals and they are just amazing out of the box ! You should give a look once :) These Asetek looks great but its stiffness made me decide to go with Venym.
Whenever I race, I use the shoes, but definitely not on a casual drive / learning the track / dusting off... these pedals are hardcore. Appeals a lot to the ones who love to race, and looks to me the most realistic pedals you can get out of a real race car... but eh, with my Moza SR-P with the stiffest springs, I am happy, but I definitely want to try the load-cell throttles.
The one problem I have with my Forte's is that they're sooo angled forwards, and I have them all the way backwards with the pedalplate all the way tilted back too. Makes it uncomfy sometimes
I went for the long travel kit and changed to the Forte face plate only at the throttle pedal. I wanted to change the pedal face because I like some slip at the throttle not because of pain on my feet. Driving with shoes is fine for me because it is a sim ;)
I'm very new to sim racing, i got the la prima bundle as my first set. The brake is essentially the forte brake and face plate. I can use it with socks, slippers and even barefoot and it feels fine to me, no discomfort. Using the standard elastomer sent with it fitted. Only caveat would be I've been wearing barefoot shoes for a while and do martial arts which involves a fair amount of kicking.
So here I am thinking I dont like stiff brakes well I love these stiff brakes haha. You can also get thw 10mm travel kit. Doesnt do much but just enough for the sweet spot for me. Now at first these pedals def feel weird being so stiff. But after you use them for a week or 2 straight and really practice heaby with them. The consistency and pb's start coming out lol
Comparison to car tires is not a good one, as the more air volume you have, the lower the pressure you need for the same wall firmness (2.5bar for car, 1.5-2.0 bar for MTB, 10bar for road bike - while car is 100 times heavier (50x per wheel) than bike).
If I had the money, I'd get those pedals in a heart beat. I'm not worried about the heat, especially since the inside of a real race car often ranges from 35-55*C depending on time of year and what type of car. All in all, I think I can handle shoes when it reaches 30 to 40*C. Also, I think you got the pounds to kilogram conversion wrong, it should be around 180kg equals 396lbs.
I have these and they are the best pedals I have ever used, after fine tuning them to get the perfect position and then get muscle memory built up I ended up wining 3 races on iRacing in one week, all tracks that require good trail braking in the Gen 4 and Arca car. so to me these are 100% worth purchasing. I alos love how they feel exactly like brakes feel in a real car when you have manual brakes (No Vacuum boost)
It is down to preference probably. Jonas had some valid points here but I currently use the Invicta (as Jonas didn´t liked them) and I agree with you, they are absolutely amazing and gave me a good feel straight from the get go. But I am also always racing with the same shoes that I use for rL races, so I don´t have the issue with the footrest - Rene
@@LIRGECACORSEGT two were 1900 and 1 was 1790, but that's mostly irrelevant as I tend to run when there is only 1 split so some guys have IR of 3K some 1500. The fact I had not won in some time and then go and win 3 on tracks I have had issues with tire wear and ability to consistently trail brake on races of 80 laps is why I even mentioned it.
Why so clickbaity tho? Why so much effort to make people watch, it takes away from the entertaining factor for sure. Love the review, but please stop it with the "but there is ONE BIG ISSUE..." You sound like a google news feed, and thats not a good thing.
The channel overall is very weird. First, they didn’t really get going, then they wanted Ermin Hamidovic to take the lead, that didn’t last long, now there is this dude who respectfully I have no idea why I should rate his opinion, has anyone ever seen him race? He’s just a random guy with no special knowledge in anything
Why would you drive without shoes?!! Real races drive with racing shoes so simply do that . I always drive with sport shoes.. I can feel my hydraulic pedals much better with shoes.
I don't understand this racing in socks. People are spending thousands of dollars on their rigs for realism and then racing in socks, and complaining about it? 😂
What do you mean selected car types? I run the GT3, all Nascar , Pro 4 , Dirt Street stocks, Arca and Gen4 so to me I am fine with all cars, Also you can set different pedal maps to be used on different vehicles , so far I have 4 different map setups
Why people simrace in socks always shock me, you spend hundreds of bucks to get close to a real experience yet use the gear in a way you will never do in real life.
LMAO regardless of the fact you got the force calc incorrect at 800+ KG the pedals do have too many downsides in regards to set up options and ergonomic comfort, I mean how the hell are you supposed to fit that base plate into a rig or set the pedals for heel and toe, So basically they are a set of Aluminum Logitech G29 pedals with upgraded inner workings.
I'm not sure you got the pounds to kilogram conversion correct .
🤣
Dude! who does your conversions ? 396 pounds is 180 kilograms. Not 880 kilograms
He did it the wrong way around lol
@@zef1097 Well der! My message is 4 months old.
@@meecob what's your point? Did it become less true over those few months since you said it?
@@GregoryShtevensh Hey zero. Your 5 months out of date. My point ? his conversion was completely wrong. Did you actually watch the video ? True ? wtf
@@meecob the fact is, your bum hurts
These pedals stimulate what a brake feels like in the pits, not while racing. Real race care drivers have spoken about the brakes feeling like a brick in the pits but when driving the brake feels a lot softer because of the inertia pushing on your leg which helps to load the pedal. Sometimes replicating realistic numbers can create an unrealistic environment.
Can you please provide measurements and formulas for that rubbish claim? If you believe the g-force pushes a drivers brake I don't know what else to say. Maybe they also hold on to the steering wheel so they don't get thrown out the window during cornering then?
Maybe some of those drivers should've taken a physics class instead. If inertia pushes the break for them, strapped into full frame carbon seats, maybe they can also generate electricity from looking into the mirror.
But fine, so in other words: buying full frame carbon seats for sim rigs is ok. Buying stupid fire proof FIA licensed racing gloves is ok. Buying racing shoes is okay. Some very respected members even sitting there in full suits is okay. Brands hyping their "true to real" equipment or even advertising with "real driver" crap is also fine.
But buying pedals that are a bit harder to push is not fine anymore.
Gotcha.
It's funny how the simracing community can't make any sense at all.
@@kontoname oh honey... oh honey... please educate yourself
@@kontoname Learn what physics means.
"the brake can withstand 396 pounds, which for normal people is 880 kilograms"
This is a very simple mistake that should have been caught: you did the conversion backwards. 396kg would be 880lbs. The 396lb weight limit actually equates to 180kg.
Love the review!
Yeah using shoes with the Asetek Invicta is almost a must imo. Tried myself to not use socks when i got used to them, but quickly switched over to shoes.
Have also seen people use sandles, tho havent tried that yet, but that could help with the summer heat 😄
I'm looking at buying them. I love stiff pedals and I play with shoes. So no brainer for me. Thanks for the review.
Asetek can get a bit of criticism but they have catered for people who complained about the stiffness. Long travel kit, face plates, elastomers and splitting the pedals
Oh yes at extra cost, Back to the design board and try again me thinks.
Interesting view, but here is my hot take:
I think if you are the kind of person to actually spend big bucks on Hydraulic Pedals, then you are probably the kind of person that usually wears racing boots when simracing.
I used to get holes in my socks with just Logitech pedals...
I'm very much just a hobbyist simmer and I use the MOZA CRP set now and I personally found just socks un-drivable.
Instead, I got a pair of Sparco Karting boots and they do the trick, what ever the weather.
I understand Champion Joe's issues, I just don't think they align with someone paying cash money for them.
I agree on the part that the pedals are not friendly towards sock drivers. But I managed to customize them to be perfectly driveable with socks. 1. Softest elastomer 2. Long travel kit 3. HRS pedal face pads, because of their size, these are much more comfortable than the Forte pedal pads. Then I calibrated them to be at 67bar pressure at 100% of my brake force. Could go more, but this feels right to me. This way at around 60-70% brake force the THORP system enters the second stage. So I can use this for non-ABS cars to better feel when lockup might be imminent. Works like a charm. But with quite some extra money.
Mind you, I've got the Invicta S pedals, the seperate version. But aside from this the pedals are technically the same as the "standard" Invictas. Love 'em.
But if you want more than 15mm pedal travel, probably go for the other brands, VRS for example.
I need help setting these up, ugh I am not smart w these things. I have them and they are kind of holding me 9ack. which color is the softest one? i also just ordered the love travel kit. did it come w instructions?
Love Asetek products period! They nailed it..got to test the La Prima and Invicta both absolutely brilliant and think that's how a direct drive should feel now..I game on PC/console because of my son he races but console only so I buy products that are PC/console comp. it's a shame that Asetek has ignored the console players as well as Thrustmaster, I have A LOT of Thrustmaster gear that I have over the years Ferrari SF1000 T-LCM pedals etc... That just went to the way side when I went Fanatec F1 podium well now thrust came out with a DD but of course no console support, why does console get looked over so much?
console cant handle all the value inputs of the sims when ported over.
I have these. They have made me slower. So stiff... $100 w shipping for plate covers. unreal... feel lost
From my own experience, I can confirm that you have to get used to the stiffness (depending on what pedalset you came from) but in the end, it helped me at least to be able to be way finer with the brake input than before. But I also have to admit that I always race with shoes, so the plate etc. aren´t really an issue for me - Rene
Not hydraulic but I’ve juste received my Venym pedals and they are just amazing out of the box ! You should give a look once :)
These Asetek looks great but its stiffness made me decide to go with Venym.
Whenever I race, I use the shoes, but definitely not on a casual drive / learning the track / dusting off... these pedals are hardcore. Appeals a lot to the ones who love to race, and looks to me the most realistic pedals you can get out of a real race car... but eh, with my Moza SR-P with the stiffest springs, I am happy, but I definitely want to try the load-cell throttles.
Really subjective review. I race all the time with shoes. And ye it might be warm but it really ain’t a issue, even if it’s 30+degrees Cesius inside.
The one problem I have with my Forte's is that they're sooo angled forwards, and I have them all the way backwards with the pedalplate all the way tilted back too. Makes it uncomfy sometimes
I went for the long travel kit and changed to the Forte face plate only at the throttle pedal. I wanted to change the pedal face because I like some slip at the throttle not because of pain on my feet. Driving with shoes is fine for me because it is a sim ;)
I'm very new to sim racing, i got the la prima bundle as my first set. The brake is essentially the forte brake and face plate. I can use it with socks, slippers and even barefoot and it feels fine to me, no discomfort. Using the standard elastomer sent with it fitted. Only caveat would be I've been wearing barefoot shoes for a while and do martial arts which involves a fair amount of kicking.
Great review. Thx!
So here I am thinking I dont like stiff brakes well I love these stiff brakes haha. You can also get thw 10mm travel kit. Doesnt do much but just enough for the sweet spot for me. Now at first these pedals def feel weird being so stiff. But after you use them for a week or 2 straight and really practice heaby with them. The consistency and pb's start coming out lol
What percentage of feet do you have left?
Comparison to car tires is not a good one, as the more air volume you have, the lower the pressure you need for the same wall firmness (2.5bar for car, 1.5-2.0 bar for MTB, 10bar for road bike - while car is 100 times heavier (50x per wheel) than bike).
If I had the money, I'd get those pedals in a heart beat. I'm not worried about the heat, especially since the inside of a real race car often ranges from 35-55*C depending on time of year and what type of car. All in all, I think I can handle shoes when it reaches 30 to 40*C.
Also, I think you got the pounds to kilogram conversion wrong, it should be around 180kg equals 396lbs.
11:00 - "you can check that review if you click here" ...wha... click where??
I have these and they are the best pedals I have ever used, after fine tuning them to get the perfect position and then get muscle memory built up I ended up wining 3 races on iRacing in one week, all tracks that require good trail braking in the Gen 4 and Arca car. so to me these are 100% worth purchasing. I alos love how they feel exactly like brakes feel in a real car when you have manual brakes (No Vacuum boost)
It is down to preference probably. Jonas had some valid points here but I currently use the Invicta (as Jonas didn´t liked them) and I agree with you, they are absolutely amazing and gave me a good feel straight from the get go. But I am also always racing with the same shoes that I use for rL races, so I don´t have the issue with the footrest - Rene
what was the strength of field
@@LIRGECACORSEGT two were 1900 and 1 was 1790, but that's mostly irrelevant as I tend to run when there is only 1 split so some guys have IR of 3K some 1500. The fact I had not won in some time and then go and win 3 on tracks I have had issues with tire wear and ability to consistently trail brake on races of 80 laps is why I even mentioned it.
You 'trail-brake' out of turns? 😳
I got the TK pedals (LaPrima with green trim). Best value for money, period.
Why so clickbaity tho? Why so much effort to make people watch, it takes away from the entertaining factor for sure. Love the review, but please stop it with the "but there is ONE BIG ISSUE..."
You sound like a google news feed, and thats not a good thing.
Exactly.
The channel overall is very weird. First, they didn’t really get going, then they wanted Ermin Hamidovic to take the lead, that didn’t last long, now there is this dude who respectfully I have no idea why I should rate his opinion, has anyone ever seen him race? He’s just a random guy with no special knowledge in anything
Why would you drive without shoes?!! Real races drive with racing shoes so simply do that . I always drive with sport shoes.. I can feel my hydraulic pedals much better with shoes.
The customization is not enough for such expensive Pedals...i dont like Pedal greoups like Asetek, Moza, Fanatec and others...i prefer single pedals
they are meant to be used with shoes
if you are trail braking out of turns like you say, you have bigger problems than the pedals 🤣
SOCK RACERS UNITE
I've a silly question: why people drive in socks?
i drive these Pedals with Socks. Absolute no Problem.
Yeah they dont hurt me either. only thing i did was put skateboard grip tape on the whole footrest thingy.
Wear shoes mate. Irl Drivers do.. I switched to wearing shoes when I got load cell pedals
I don't understand this racing in socks. People are spending thousands of dollars on their rigs for realism and then racing in socks, and complaining about it? 😂
I don't think these sim companies should cater to people that want to race without shoes. It's simulation.
Still hoping for a high quality brake that’s not super hard or can be adjusted to be softer.
It is a good set once you accept that you have to use it with shoes, and with only selected car types.
It is an opinionated pedal by design.
What do you mean selected car types? I run the GT3, all Nascar , Pro 4 , Dirt Street stocks, Arca and Gen4 so to me I am fine with all cars, Also you can set different pedal maps to be used on different vehicles , so far I have 4 different map setups
Very pretty cheese grater😂
You make your passive aggressive joke against people who use the English measurement and yet you botch your conversion.
Shoes are a must with any peddle .
There is only one Pedal set for me.... Heusinkveld Ultimate
VRS for me
I had the HE+ and even those dont match the VRS Pedals..
@@MrJMHP Hahaha well I am with you... I have sold the Ultimates and bought VRS pedals.... They are awesome!!
Why people simrace in socks always shock me, you spend hundreds of bucks to get close to a real experience yet use the gear in a way you will never do in real life.
Jesus, who knew just saying a product isn't for you WHILE singing its praises would make people this upset?
😂 who here is upset out of the 11 comments at this time?
People don't like CLICKBAIT titles. That's all.
If they are not for you sell them to me😂
I already grabbed them straight after Jonas reviews ;) as said on our twitch streams: I LOVE THEM! - Rene ... sorry ;)
"396lbs, which for normal people is..." immediately gets conversion wrong. Common EU L OMEGALUL
He must just be making sure people are paying attention! 😂
LMAO regardless of the fact you got the force calc incorrect at 800+ KG the pedals do have too many downsides in regards to set up options and ergonomic comfort, I mean how the hell are you supposed to fit that base plate into a rig or set the pedals for heel and toe, So basically they are a set of Aluminum Logitech G29 pedals with upgraded inner workings.
Ahw, that socks 😝
Sock drivers always complain about something, put on some racing shoes if you can afford or some light soled shoes!