Looking at the Asetek Simsports Invicta Hydraulic pedals The bar has been considerably raised!
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- In this video we are taking a look at the brand new hydraulic 'Invicta' pedals by Asetek SimSports. As usual, this is NOT a review. I'm a sim racer, just like you so will be looking at things which are important to me. As it turns out, these tick every single box!
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Great job Dave! You say you're not a reviewer but you produce high quality work! Hoping that hardware manufacturers see the same and that you get a ton of new gear to show us. You're my go to now!
Mac Evad, your "Not a review" was a good review of these new pedals. I'm a fairly new console racer with mid grade TM hardware, GT Omega ART cockpit and Project Cars 2, Forza 7, AC & ACC on Xbox. Will be upgrading to Fanatec DD ecosystem in the near future. I really like watching your races to help me gain knowledge and especially patience when racing in the SIM world. One thing you've taught me is that fast is not necessarily always fastest. Patience and smoothness will always get me around a track the quickest. Looking forward to more content!! Peace
A very clear description and opinion from a person whom I trust.
It is of course down to personal preference and affordability at the end of the day.
I would love these pedals but unfortunately I am sure my Mrs. would divorce me in a heartbeat if I ordered them. 😂
A very nicely done review with nothing left out as far as I can see.
Dave a per usual thanks for the video. You have no idea how antsy I have been waiting for you or someone to do a thoughts video on these. Like I said before I have my preorder but I was getting some cold feet and thought about going with a different set that I could get quicker. Now seeing this I know I made the right choice to hold out and wait til March 1st. ship date. Thanks gain brotha and maybe I will see you on the ACC track.
You will love them 😁
Great review, good info. But one remark: If it is 100% realism, the first stage should NOT brake. Because it is representing the gap between brake pads and brake disc.
You can set up some pedal movement to simulate the 'slack'. No real car has movement in the brake without braking. The pads are literally 1 or 2 mm from the disc. If you have movement like that in your car you have issues 😂
In regards to the brake system and mounting. I can tell you that Advanced Sim Racing in Canada has a new specific mount for the Aseteks. I have the Aseteks on pre order as well. Honestly looking forward to getting them and reviewing them for the other sim racers I know who are skeptical
curious to hear more about this mount...
@Charles Hosea I can let you know once I have it haha. I ordered the ASR 6 chassis(should be here Friday fingers crossed)
So I got my rig finally. The pedal plate has 3 new slots at the top on the pedal plate for the Invicta pedals which will just mount them slightly further back on the pedal plate. I didn't realize how much adjustability the pedal plate has though its incredible.
I am in love with that clean designed kitchen!
Oh, and nice pedals. :D
I was waiting for this video! Thanks Dave! Awesome job as usual!
13:35 is pretty much how i had my Logitech pedals setup back in the day (75% ish threshold when pedal hits its stopper / hardest point and you get an extra 25% at the end if you squeeze hard) .. obviously this will feel much more quality but not anything different to it in terms of how it works.. interesting tho been trying to mimic it on my newer pedals so will need to try Asetek pedals since i loved the way it worked on the logitechs
Um, you can't do this one Logitechs... Logitech pedals are based 100% on travel and not pressure. Especially if that pressure isn't measured by hydraulics. There is no way any load cell can do this properly either. What this simultates, is when the brake discs are clamped onto the rotor, but yet you're using hydraulic pressure to increase bite they have on the rotor wihtout anymore travel. What this would feel like in theory (I'm looking to buy a set now after seeing a bunch of reviews) is what you would feel in your car at threshold braking. I've never had the ability to drive with ABS off because ultimately, your brake force is measured in pedeal travel. That's not how it works in a car. In real life, it's all about how much pressure is applied to your brakes, the pedal is just a piece of hardware to give you mechanical advantage over the brake pressure. The position is irrelevant to the brake pressure to the point of threshold braking.
my pre-order is out since 2 weeks . I can’t wait for them . thx Dave for backing up my buying decision ;) … cheers
Great Review Dave.
I would buy hem, if the brake and gas pedals was separate, as I like those two pedals to be further apart. I usually don't use heal and toe teknik, and if I wanted too, then I could just move them closer, that's the only thing I don't like about the Invicta pedals.
Asetek has said in previous videos before reviews came out that they have something like 60mm of adjustment which is more than enough just by moving the pedal faces out or in.
There are 3 screw settings on the faceplate and 3 finer threaded setting on the pedal arms. So each pedal has 9 different positions on top of the depth adjustment. So it should adjust to most people, unless you are using actual clown shoes.
@@Hardcaslte I know, it's just not enough.
@@wild_lee_coyote it has more to do with comfort, ideally the brake should be perfectly aligned with your left leg assuming you are not using a clutch of course
Thx for the review! I am leaning towards keeping my pre order.
No inversion is a no go for me. I love having my pedals inverted. It feels so much more natural and you never have your feet wanting to creep towards the pedal. It just feels better all around to me. I modded my clubsport v2’s to invert them and tried mounting my Heusinkveld sprint pedals normally before buying a sim-lab inverted pedal stand in the end. I need to put those old clubsports up for sale as they’re just gathering dust now.
They sell them in singles now and those cant be inverted either? I thought they could but im new to this
Love your vids Dave ♥️
Placed my order for the Pagani set earlier today 🇩🇰♥️
Jealous 😁
I didn’t mind spending £1500+ on my Grid p911 wheel but I couldn’t spend over 1K on a pedal set without trying them out first. Pedals are different. If only I knew a fellow Geordie sim racer with a set of these🤔🤭
Cracking video as per, Davey boy.
Good Video dave as per usual. Also I did a fixed ferrari race on Saturday at Spa and Won! It was my first Road Win on iRacing! Is there by any chance you gonna do another Oval Race in the future? Would love to see those again at some point. Greetings from San Diego California
Good review Dave, these pedals do look impressive but I'm worried about the potential import fees tbh. Its a shame Demon Tweeks don't supply them atm, maybe in the future hopefully. I'm also very happy with my Heusinkveld sprints and their excellent customer support 👍
Hi Dave, came after watching Dan, great to see 2 respected sim racers different opinions. Great vid
Awesome review. Please test the simagic p2000 and compare if you can in the near future, I'm hesitating between these 2 :)
The impression I got from this is that we could just put metal bushes in rubber bumper pedals with a take up spring and you would have the same pedal feeling??
That’s effectively what this 2 stage is doing... or am I missing something here
Totally agree. I remember back in the day, I fitted a loadcell to some t3pa pedals. It simulated how this brake functions to a t. I would be disappointed to say the least if I upgraded from them to this!!
Great information, now Sprints or Invicta?
If you look Dan Suzuki video normally you have 2 pins to connect the clutch with the other pedals.
I guess the question for me is: Can a Pedal set like the Ultimate + or Simtrec Pros be set to the same Hardness as the Aseteks in order to achieve the same Brake design philosophy. If so you can have the best of both worlds if you buy the Simtrecs or Ultimate +. Any thoughts?
No, I don't believe you can. Essentially you're pressing on the elastomer until you can press no more. No 'step' like you have with the Aseteks
The Fanatec v3's are amazing!
Can you just tip the pedals upside down so the top of the pedal is touching the table and tip of the heel plate, then you can connect the cable ?
Nice set, like the two stage and the extra pressure for emerg stops.
Hi Dave, thanks first of all for the review in the usual high quality :)
I would be interested if you would recommend a switch if one is already on a "high quality" pedal set like VRS pedals or HE Ultimate+?
Good video Dave
I think these are a bit of a marmite product, they wouldn't work for me but others will love them.
Watched your video and then the one on asetek site explaining the 2 stage brake and I think your using it wrong.
Asetek explain the first stage is to take up the slack in the pads before applying pressure to the disks and therefore before the car starts to slow, not to indicate optimum braking has been achieved.
That being said, if you can gain an advantage by misusing them then good on you.
Yes, that's correct. So I'm pressing it until it won't press anymore (pads on disc), then pressing further would create the required friction on the disc 👍
So this is confusing to me. Is that first stage meant to simulate the dead zone where there’s no brake force because the pads aren’t touching the discs? If yes aren’t the elastomers very hard?
@@jonasnorberg262 no, that's the initial compression stage against the pads. When it's rock hard the pads are squeezing the disc.
You can set up the free play in the pedal separately if you wanted a small amount of travel
in a little heusinkveld vid from the sim expo I think you mentioned you never had thought about changing out the pedals from your rig, does this now change your mind?
What wheelstand or cockpit would work well without drilling extra hole
As always thank you for the clear and helpful content Dave.
One question to the break or throttle mappings.. Can they be changed for individual likings or are they 3 fixed mappings?
You can edit them
@@DashHoundRacing thank you for the information 👍🏻
Kitchen cleanliness rating 10k
It’s unfortunate that these pedals put so much emphasis on the silly THORP system. This whole reduced travel / brick wall paradigm is just flawed.
Awesome kitchen mate!
1200 Euros? 1200 Euros? I wish you'd told me that at the very beginning, it would have saved me some time.
Dave you must be reviewing these in Wickes... nobody can keep their kitchen THAT clean 😅
😂
Ah Dave, now I'm going to have to buy them.... sigh! Thanks for the review
Have you tried vrs pedals? Would love a comparison.. ❤
the sprints with a bit of preload and the stiffest rubber is pretty much the same isnt it? only then you have the option to go softer and with more travel and also have more diversity in your pedal setup. correct me if im wrong tho.
Nope, completely different. I've had sprints and a couple of sets of ultimates. They feel totally different 👍
@@davecamyt OK. To bad one of the e-sport guys on the expo had defect pedals and Asetek then borrowed their pedals. Otherwise i would have know how they feel. Do you think it's worth it to ditch the sprins for these?
I assume the Asetek brake pedal doesn't use a load cell system. If so, does this mean the importance of a load cell is something that is overstated?
Ehm, it is hydraulic... that's the point. Generally hydraulic systems tend to be more accurate, but also need more maintenance (hydraulic fluid exchange) - but with the Asetek system that disadvantage is not given as far as I understood.
@@iseeq72 Ok, yes. Totally sealed system.
What has me concerned is that the heel plate for the brake and throttle is only 8.3"! None of the reviews thus far have tried the pedals this way but that seems like a very narrow pedal box if you ask me. Am I just over thinking it?
The actual size of the heel plate never entered my head which must be a good thing. 👍
@@davecamyt Measured against my Fanatec V3 heel plate which is 13" and feels correct in size but if you did not notice any issue, I will also take that as a good thing!
having both the gas and brake as one unit looks like sucha a bad idea for a high end pedal :/
Being someone who’s currently running these pedals, it does not create a single problem in my opinion. It just doesn’t give everyone the peace of mind that other company’s do that the pedals are separated. These pedals are Awesome!
Where have you gone Dave ??
How does the asetek compare to the HE ultimates?
Dave, I don’t understand why these are any better/different to my TM TLcm (load cell) pedals? I was expecting the hydraulics to work in a different way but it seems that the majority of the initial press is absorbed by the rubber bung (springs on the TLcm’s) followed by a harder push onto the hydraulic sensor (Load cell).
Seems to me like the only difference is that changing the rubber out is easier on these. The hydraulics don't do much of anything, you're still pushing against a spring after all.
Well let's see.. if I sell my IRL car.. maybe I can afford them....
My brake started leaking after one and a half year of use.... Inevitable failure .Unfortunatly I can only get a replacement through my reseller instead of just a replacement part. Poor customer service as this means being out of pedels for at least 2 weeks. Unacceptable.
Will the reseller replace?
How the heck do you hit 70 bar comfortably Dave, you must have legs like rocks. I can only comfortably hit 50 bar with the soft elastomer
It's a workout 😂
@@davecamyt Will Ford only set the pedals to 38 bar in his video, he cant have been hitting the second stage with the medium elastomer that he used in the video.
First!
I really waited for this review :D
Sounds like they are ur new go to lol
They look overrated
I'm sure they work great but there's so many odd choices.
1. Bespoke master cylinder? Just why?
2. Separate plate for clutch. Just make a big plate so you can spread out the brake and throttle if you want. Then add the clutch if you want.
3. Not being able to adjust elastomer if you use a pedal plate on your rig. Which is about 90% of rigs out there.
2 stage sounds interesting. But as you said pretty soon all high end pedals will have that once they see these.
1. because it doesn't use standard brake fluid. 2. because MOST people won't use a clutch. 3. its a set and forget thing.
worst pedals! VRS win price/performance
No they don't 😂
Dave for the clutch mount, you should have two metal pins / dowels that hold the clutch to the brake base plate.
This will hold the two parts together until you come to mount it.
I guess Julie saw the last video and gave you a bollocking hence the big ol piece of paper on the table.
There are 2 pins included that you can use to connect the clutch to the gas and brake together. Then the connector is really easy to connect at that point. It also makes it easier to connect both sets on your pedal tray. Boosted Media does show the pins on his review.
Exactly this. I thought that this should be possible when Dave said that it was really tricky to attach the clutch because of the cable length.
A very clear and simple video, thanks! I've placed a pre-orer recently, I hope they will still ship them in early March.
I've looked at the Venym, but not too fan of the finish, ande the features are basics.
I've pre-odered the Simtrecs that looks fantastic, and are very adjustable in every way, but you have 4 months waiting time and they cost 1,400 Euros.
I thinks the Simtrecs looks right for their price but the Asetek Invicta seems to do the trick for me. I think the tuning simplicity and the novelty of the brake system make the pedals very attractive. Not to say they looks very good.
I'm looking forward to test them!
Helped me make my decision, thanks Dave for the solid stuff as always!
RGB strip? This isn’t a cpu cooler asetek 😂
Purchased with your link!
Ouch. I didn't spend that much on my computer.
I wasn’t convinced after the first video. I am now though, so that’s my pre-order in.
Which one do you recommend between these and heusinkveld ultimate ?
If only I had the money! They sound like a game changer ! Thanks DC
So you prefer these ones over your Ultimate+ pedals?
Hi Dave, thx for your accurate videos. Would you suggest this pedal set or the Conspit CPP Lite? I mainly drive GT/Road cars on Assetto Corsa and not a big fan of Formula cars. Thank you very much and cheers from Italy !
Look like shit, overpriced, no adjustability for spacing pedals, now way to invert them! Just over priced junk from another company
Thanks Dave, researching import fees right now thinking about pulling the trigger on these.
Ohhhh my my my. Decisions decisions. These pedals or starve for a month.
Well if you're going to starve for a month, I'd probably advise you to get the pedals instead.
69bar? Nice.
Hilarious that the TLCM pedals had this 2 stage brake from the factory. The red springs compressed all the way was 75% brake pressure. Had no idea that it was a good thing. I went through all kinds of mods to make it feel “better”.
Maybe this is a far better implementation of what the T-LCM was trying to do, as I couldn’t get along with the 2 stage feel of them, most likely because the springs were just way too soft.
@@mikelshwede that’s definitely the case as I wasn’t happy with the TLCMs either. Now I’m trying to recreate the brake pedal feel of these pedals with mods.
@@VishnuRajam4x4 I modded my tlcm’s with rubber washers plus red spring acting as a preload, feels pretty good really. If they had been 50% stiffer with a bit less travel out of the box they would have been fine.
Like others, I’ve done all the 3d printed, rubber grommet, skate board bushing mods on the TLcms and have returned to the springs! No dragging or sticking and plenty of control.
@@rowdywallbanger4080 haha man I’ve spent so much time fucking around modding mine. I’m gonna try the 2 reds again and see what I think, always just thought they were a bit too soft and had too much travel, but the 2 stage thing is a good mental reference for being consistent I guess.
Thank you so much for this video, looks like I've decided to go with Asetek as my new pedal set, preordered it :)
You'll love them, I promise 😁
Dave, what are/were your brake settings in iracing with the invicta pedals? Did you check load cell or what is your brake force factor? Aiming on purchasing these pedals.
Yes tick load cell and brake force factor to zero 👍
Dave would love to see u do more videos like this!! Great info thanks
I like I doing these because U r a sim racer like u said
Probably, but I modded by drilling extra holes for haptic feedback etc. But not going to bother. Ordered simucube pedals (active + passive).
Although Asetek sells upgradebility from forte to invicata kit (375 euro's) they don't want to supply a replacement part directly...
I'm surprised they wouldn't sort the issue.
Hi Dave I have a conundrum on what pedals to go for. I currently have the VRS pedals and found them to feel a bit spongy even at their stiffest setting. I like a hard/short throw on the pedal. Did you end up going faster with the asetek pedals over your previous pedals?
Thanks for this thorough video. Can't wait to get this set
One step closer to realism, with true hydraulic brakes. Wouln't mind if you sent them over :P.
OK so im based in U.K and when i order it says 802 Euros, does anyone know if there are any additional taxes or import fees ?
Why is this hydraulic setup better than a normal load cell? I was surprised to see you are still just compressing an elastomer
I’m about to get mine in next week. I’m excited but I do wonder why sim racing manufacturers are all lying to us? Gt3 and other race cars actually have long brake pedal travel, outside of f1 anyway. Go watch pedal cams of gt3, rally etc. and even lmp2 is actually longer than gt3!I’m about to get mine in next week. I’m excited but I do wonder why sim racing roductz are all lying to us? Gt3 and other race cars actually have long brake pedal travel, outside of f1 anyway. Go watch pedal cans of gt3, rally, and even lmp2 is actually longer than gt3
How much travel does your car have? I bet it much less than you think 😁
@@davecamyt I have a 2020 c8 corvette z51, I can assure you my brake pedal travel is atleast 3 to 4x longer than the invicta’ and I’ve driven it at road courses for track days. But regardless of my sport/race inspired track car, I’m talking about real race cars. Go look up some videos Dave! :)
Which pedals are better in your opinion? this or the Ultimate +? I have 6 days to decide!!
having seen the pedal maps.. does Fanatec have anything like that? would be very useful for me and not getting on the throttle too aggressively
Hi Dave, nice review… Did you do some heel and toe? What was your experience as the pedals can’t be adjusted sideways except the pedals faces?
Gotta say a really good review Dave! You said some points other reviewers missed or did differently. Especially liked the way you setup your brake with these. Gotta say not in market for any pedals at the moment and when I will be I really want gas and brake to be separated for that free positioning. If this Asetek adds this possibility (even if it costs more that single plate one) I will definitely get these! Really liking the way they look and from what I can tell from videos, they will be fantastic to use! Of course only time will tell how the brake module will last and how you will bet replacement parts if it does fail. But I think the price is really fair for the product and build quality.
Holy S... how about a review on that kitchen! It's gorgeous.
So these are replacing your heusinkveld's as main racing pedals?
I think they look great, only downside is these would only suit real race cars and not cats like an mx5, there's no way to make them softer!
A year after this video... u still use them or come up with something better??
For the last year I've switched between these and the Heusinkveld Ultimates. Both incredible. Currently using the SimLab XP1 pedals 👍
@@davecamyt thx for the answer.. and thals for great content allways!
can you adjust the individual control points on the brake map, so you could make your own instead of using one of the three the provide?
I'm not a big fan of the brake and accelerator stuck together. Just doesn't seem to make much sense. For that much money, I want to set them the way I want them.
Not a big fan of the hydraulic cylinder placement, or at least how to adjust it. Once I get it all set, I probably won't change it much, but having to take it on and off my rig to swap the elastomer would be a pain.
Thanks for the review
Nice kitchen :)
I saw another reviewer that was moving the individual points on the brake map.
Yep - the Boosted Media review showed you could move the individual points
Cant invert them and there is no side to side movement and the hall sensor is for gas is a no go. Nice review.
lol you don’t even know what your talking about. You always wanna gas pedal to be hall sensor 😂😂 learn your items meanwhile you probably use Logitech g29 🤣🤣🤣
Just wondering, can these be grounded to the rig if needed?
Did Julie make you cover the table this time?
I'm confused about the 2 stage braking. Isn't the soft stage with pedal travel supposed to simulate the initial slack that sets the brake pads against the discs? If we're trying to simulate real life, wouldn't that stage have no or only a little braking force applied, not the approx 70% here? And you can simulate the exact same thing with the HE pedals with the initial spring uptake? HE pedals don't have a hard stop with hydraulics for the hard stage but uses an elastomer, but still the same principle?
You can simulate the slack separately by winding out the elastomer a little
Thanks for the video! Do i need a hard carbon fiber bucket seat in order to apply the force/power to the brake pedal in the best possible way? I have a VW Golf V seat on my rig which has a more or less soft cushion. I ask myself if my seat is no go with this kind of pedal system.
That will be fine 👍
Obviously the less movement is better, the 50kg through your leg (which is what I'm using) isn't that great tbh
I like your kitchen, Dave 🙂
Regarding the price point it should be mentioned that only the brake pedal is using a hydraulic system, the other pedals are load cell based in the Asetek set. Other hydraulic products (like Racewerk) use it on the clutch and the brake.
The Asetek uses hall sensors on clutch and accelerator 👍
Just preordered a set, currently have HE Sprints...so it might be a sideways step but I love a firm pedal. Will compare the two and sell which ever one I'm least please by! Cheers for your time providing the review as always Dave...ps show us your new wheels!
I have the same HE sprints .. how did they compare ?
I am considerably jelly.
Lost me at RGB…. Wow DC
Are these ur new go to?