What’s The Difference Between Festool’s Dust Extractors?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- In this video I discuss the differences between the different Festool CT Dust Extractor options. I explain the differences between the CT Mini, CT Midi, CT15, CT26, CT36, and CT48. Hopefully this will give you a little more insight into which Festool CT Dust Extractor may be right for you in your shop.
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I have a 36l. I made a big mistake and should have got the smaller version, the 15l, just too big to haul around and jobs depending, can take months to fill a bag.
Excellent video with very useful info. I don't think having the physical vacuums on the table would have added much value. You stayed on message and conveyed a lot of useful info in a short video. Thx.
Thanks! Glad you found it helpful
Can I use the midi model for planex or not.
Probably but definitely not the best tool for the job. I would want the auto clean feature
@@bentswoodworking Thank you buddy
I have a MIDI for a couple of years now and recently added a CTM36, both are great even when the bag is full suction power is still great. but the suction power of the CTM36 is on a whole other level compared to the MIDI. Midi is great for just cleaning up a project, whereas if u want to hook up some tools like the wallsander or other woodworkers the CTM36 is just way better in troughput and power. So when u say they are basicly the same; don't be mistaken tho, u will get more power out of a larger vac (aka anything not mini/midi)
Thanks for making this video. This was all stuff I was trying to figure out when I purchased my vacuum and I think you did a great job summarizing it.
You’re welcome
Also the different kinds of dust and materials you use the vacuum for make the difference in choosing the right vacuum for the job. For example the ctl mini/midi are only L-class materials like normal dust and big shavings etc. The ctm midi is suitable for M-class materials such as paint, concrete dust and other very fine dust types.
The midi l and midi m are basically the same, no different filter, just a sensor in the hose telling you the bag is ful. No reason to pay for the m really
I just learned a hard way that midi m extractor is not suitable for very fine dust (definitely not for sanding a drywall or concrete) . If you check description it says midi m can be used only for brief drywall or concrete sanding. My mistakes was buying midi m thinking that it will be suitable for fine dust, using midi m for drywall sanding, concrete grindinig. Almost killed my vac, as it was starting to be super hot after short sanding sessions.
Midi m and midi l essentially is the same vac only m gives you a beeping warning if suction drops.
CT36 w/ the pre-separator is approx. 16 gallons. Luxury buy for sure compared to a standard shop vac with a cyclone. In more than 6 months of use with the pre-separator, I've not yet filled the bag in the CT36, and I'm using my setup for general purpose
Yeah I can imagine it would take forever to fill a bag with that setup. 👍
You’ve helped me decide the midi is the one for me. I want to get one with a rando sander. What sander do you recommend? I have not tasted the green koolaid yet. So this combo will be the entry, similar to yours.
I think the best all around sander is the ETS/EC models.
You could use a 36mm hose on the midi to get more air flow. I am only using mine for sanding and the 27mm hose works pleasingly well for me
Great summary. I have had the 26 for years and I rarely empty it - the vac does a great job of packing the dust tight into the bag. It is not my primary vac but I use with the track saw, sanders and routers so a fair amount of dust generators. I didn’t get the boom arm but made my own over my assembly table with the 5m hose - saved some $ but I really didn’t like the big support system hanging off the CT - in a small shop it is a trip hazard around the work area (but it is a great design overall).
Glad you enjoyed it!
I got greedy on size and got a CT36 years ago. I’m looking to add an AC soon as well. If I could go back in time i’d get a smaller one instead of the CT36 - gets heavy!
I have ctsys, midi and ct36ac. Midi is the sweet spot no question about it. Weight is good making it easily portable, capacity and suction are adequate to do basically all jobs. 36 is a beast, awesome machine, terrible if you are dragging it around to job sites I basically carry it in several pieces it can get so damn heavy. The ctsys is a great idea but in practice it is a piece of trash. Meant to be portable and compact but ends of taking up the most room in the truck because the hose and cord don’t pack up well at all. Loses most suction power when the bag is had full.
The Midi is a great vac for sure
Simple, clear explanation of the differences. Shame on Festool for their official videos not being as clear or honest as this one.
The festool vacuum should buy is any thing other than festool… I just got quoted $658 to fix mine and it’s done light duty work. It’s the 5 tool I’ve needed to repair in the past 3 years. Festool are crap now
Thank you Jason, great vid.
I have a question regarding festool extractor hoses, have searched and searched but still unsure on a couple of aspects.
Finally worked out that Cleantec is when the tool end has a bayonet on the rubber.
Also worked out that AS means anti static.
But confused by difference AS/CT and AS/CTR, I’m assuming the CT bit means fits a CT model extractor, but what about the R?
Not sure yet whether that means a rotating end (at the extractor), or the hose has RFID. Anyone know?
The hoses are expensive so want to make sure I chose the right one.
Also, some hoses state they aren’t suitable for extractors with autoclean, but I can’t work out why? 🤷🏻♂️
Well I think CFM is pretty important it's 25 c f m per inch per blade like you would need 125 CFM for a 5-inch disc
Very informative video. I went to my local Woodcraft store when the CT15 came out which I purchased. I use it with my sander, Kreg track saw, and to clean out the bottom of the SaWStop table saw. It is fine for the amount of things I do. THE one thing it doesn’t have that I wish it did is a wheel break. It isn’t often an issue but ...
Glad you found it helpful
Do you need any special adapters to work with those tools?
I used to have one of these sustainer-based vacuums. The biggest issue I had with it was the amount of heat it put out. I haven’t had that experience with any of the other festival vacuums. But is there a report that shows what the BTU output is per machine?😊
You covered everything except for the cyclone separator.
I know, I’m gonna make a part 2 to this video in the future that does a deeper dive into the accessories. Seems to be a lot of interest.
How about the dBA rating, that very important 71! I have a Ridgid vac which I like except it screams at approx. 100,000
You can somewhat have a normal conversation while at lowest setting (MINI). Never needed more power.
Super helpful. About to pull the trigger on either the 26 or the 36. Thanks for sharing.
Bro if you are changing those bags out every time you’re just lazy and wasteful. Takes a couple minutes to shake that thing empty.
I watched this hoping to see what machine is best suited for different tools . I just got the larger domino and I am planning to get a sander . Maybe they are all suitable . I am new to festool .
The CT 26 is a great dust extractor to start with
Would this help with cleaning up fiberglass by any chance?
I have the ct36 with the top seperator and now there is a new ad on box shaped black one from Onida Wonder how the CT36 works with it. Both about same money
This is extremely helpful, thank you so much for making it!
You’re welcome
Are you able to use the machine with other tools…makita, dewalt, Bosch, etc Does festool make adapters for the previously mentioned tools?
Festool doesn’t make adapters for other tools but other companies do
@@bentswoodworking Thank you for letting me know.
I can't keep my eyes off your festool wall. I think it's better stocked than my local store. Wonderful explanation
Glad you found it helpful 👍
Great info! I have a MIDI and one thing that I don’t like about it is that if I want to add the CT-VA Cyclone, I have to make an adapter for the hose because it was designed for the CT-26/36/48 vacs which have the inlet in the front.
That's not correct. At least for the new German version of the midi it works without any adapter already :)
@@ggfggf4151 Thanks! But how? I have a new european CT MIDI and when I tried it, as both ends of the short hose are “L” shaped, it wouldn’t fit in the MIDI’s inlet.
@@NicolasRubio ahhh okay. On 2020 version of ct va 20 I do have only 1 side that is l shaped not both. I guess you do have another version of it? Maybe not the newest model? Festool do revise products from time to time and ct va 20 got a few updates in 2020
@@ggfggf4151 Well, my experience was back in mid-2019, so they must’ve upgraded it! Great news, I’m buying! Thanks!
You forgot to mention that the CT15 does not come with the same anti static hose. It’s has a plastic type of material hose. Great explanation though. I own the CT-MIDI and it’s one of the best decisions I’ve ever made. This little thing is a mini monster.
Also ct 15 no manual clean filter
I have midi... does the job. But for sure ct 26 will be better when the make it auto or manually clean filter
Really useful overview Thanks
Glad you found it helpful
Can these vacuums be used for just general Workshop clean up and not necessarily connected to any particular sanding tools? And does that mean you have to purchase other accessories to use it as a general workshop cleanup vacuum?
Yes and yes. They have accessories for the vacs
What challenges do you have with non Festool tools? I'm thinking of buying Festool dust extraction but I am not blessed with Festool tools. I've read a lot of forums but value your thoughts.
I can’t really speak to that cause I primarily have Festool tools so I haven’t had any issues. There are many companies thought that make adapters.
Looking to pickup a MIDI soon. But your link has the vacuum on backorder. Do you have a affiliate link for the MIDI that is in stock? Thanks, always like the information in your videos.
Seems like these days it’s on and off with the availability on Amazon. I appreciate you asking if I have another link though 👍👍
I think you forgot the highland woodworking link you mentioned at the end of the video.
Thanks for putting this together.
I’ll fix that right now. Thank you!
@@bentswoodworking - Still not on there
Thanks for vid! The different models have different filtration capabilities don't they (L, M and H class extarctors) - any thoughts on this? I've has people recommend L class (low risk) for woodworking while others swear nothing less than M class in indoor environments (not to mention my local laws make it illegal to use anything but H class extractors for commercial work).
Good question. I’ll let someone else address this if they have information or more knowledge on the topic than I do.
From what I know, L and M class machines have the same filters. The main difference between M and L is that M class vacuums have a flow sensor and will warn you then it is time to clean or replace the filter. As for dust types, hardwood is M class, softwood is L. Mine random-guy-from-the-internet opinion: for woodworking L is OK (think, many people choose it over M just because of the price), M is optimal and H is an overkill
I was told that you can add the hepa primary filter to the older ct’s but unsure if that is true and whether you lose cfm. Not sure what class the extractor becomes then. You can probably do a month of 5-min friday’s on this topic!
Perfect timing. I’ve been looking at upgrading and Festool is on the list.
So to confirm a CTM e v CTM e AC is the same vac but the later having auto clean?
I don’t have any experience with the M series but I would assume yes
This is a very helpful video. TY. Couple questions what model do you have hooke uo to our miter saw and when you where doing the cuts what model track saw where you using and what vac was it hooked to.
MIDI for my Miter saw. CT36 for everything else
festool is One of my favorite brand
👍👍
Enjoyed the video. Question, can the Kapex 120 be plugged into the MIDI or is the load to high? Thanks!
I use a midi for mine.
CT26E w/ boom arm, bluetooth switch, cyclone separator and workshop cleaning set here and loving IT! Credit to you and Spags for the referral ;o)
That’s a solid setup bro!
Super helpful. About to pull the trigger on either the 26 or the 36. Thanks for sharing.
You will be very happy you did
I’m curious how you connect your Festool DE to a planer. Very timely video 😊 🙏
You would need adapters. However, it wouldn’t give you the results you may be looking for. It isn’t really set up for use on a planer. Unless you were using a small handheld planer.
Hey Jason....thanks for the clear video. You already commented briefly in another comment, but what's your take on Festool in combination with an lets say Almeida cyclone system or similar cyclone setup.Dust goes right in the bucket, making emptying much easier .If like you said CFM is pretty much the same on all models you could opt for an Mini and fabricate the dust collection yourself.?
Well you will naturally loose a little CFM with a separator attached. Because of this I would likely opt for a 26 or larger.
I hAve the MIDI. Perfect size for me
Which would be ideal for a paint contractor doing cabinet refinishing work?
Any of them I think. Just have to figure out what bag capacity you want.
Hi. Will the CT15 accept and use the 32mm hose?
I believe so, yes
Thank you Jason for running us thru the variety of dust extraction options. My CT Midi has served me well as a machine dedicated to sanding & track saw use. The blue tooth feature is a great value & convenience. The Midi is a good compromise between capacity & portability. Like anything from Festool, my recommendation is to always purchase from a knowledgeable dealer. Unlike many products, buying Festool online won’t save you a dime. A good dealer should ask what you need to do with the tool, and will find the right tool to meet your requirements. As Jason so thoroughly stated about dust extractors, Festool offers a range of capabilities in each line of tools (sanders, drills, track saws, etc.). There’s usually one specific model in each line that will best meet your requirements. If you can’t get to a Festool dealer, and are limited to buying online, I suggest calling/ emailing Hartville Hardware, Hartville, Indiana. They’re the mid-west’s largest Festool dealer. Their customer service is very knowledgeable and helpful. This recommendation is a personal testimonial, not intended as an ad for Hartville Hardware.
Oh boy...do I want bluetooth capabilities with my shop vac? I was hoping they'd have a model with artificial intelligence already baked in. Just kidding. This is cool equipment. Pricey, but good and very cool.
I wish it just wasn't an 8 week wait for Festool products right now. Just ordered a Domino 500 and the Mfk 700.
I would shop around a lot and also look at local dealers. I have seen sporadic stock showing up at different vendors. Also, local dealers have items many times and do a poor job having the correct inventory on their websites.
imaging living in the EU and have to wait a YEAR for fucking woodpeckers products.
@@Looyenss Oh damn! Thanks for the perspective.
@@agisler87 haha no problem
You will love both tools
Thanks Jason, would putting a wider diameter hose make a difference and can that be done on all vacs?
Yes, the hose size van be adjusted and it will make a difference. I use the larger hose on my MIDI that is connected to my Kapex.
Great, informative video. My small concern regarding this platform (and I admittedly know nothing about festool vacs) is that the auto feature is limited to tools with max 1600w ? Is that right? Some (not many) of my tools have higher wattage, mostly the ones creating most dust.
They are designed for smaller hand held tools.
@@bentswoodworking thank you for your prompt response. Should have known that - it's festool at the end of the day lol ;)
Thanks for the information, great explanation Jason.
Glad you found it helpful
New to this line of vacuums. are these the kind that you connect to table saws, compound miter saws, planers, jointers etc. I am looking for a vacuum that I can connect to the tool I am using. Garage Woodworker here.
These aren’t designed to be hooked up to larger tools.
@@bentswoodworking Copy that...I was lead astray by the "all your tools" comment....Got way too excited...then my mind fuzzed over.
You mentioned you had the boom arm and the workstation WCR-1000. Can you use the workstation with the boom arm installed? I haven’t been able to find this out.
I’m almost positive the answer is no. I don’t believe the work center will fit with the boom arm installed.
@@bentswoodworking Ok! I wasn’t sure if you had tried it out or not.
Do you guys think a festool extractor can be used as all all purpose vacuum? For instance to pick up small debris like screws, chunks of compound, small drywall chunks and things of that nature?
I do. They even sell cleaning attachment kits for different clean up jobs. I use one for general cleanup when doing remodeling and shop cleaning
@@bentswoodworking that’s awesome! I appreciate your input. Now I’m just deciding which festool I’m going to buy!
An excellent primer on the whole line of Festool’s dust extractors. Well done.
Glad to enjoyed it!
Best one for planex 2?
Thank you for this concise and clear breakdown!
Glad it was helpful!
I just got a MIDI. Liking it so far. Planning to add the cyclone at some point
I realized after I released this video that I didn’t even talk about the cyclone 🤦🏼♂️
@@bentswoodworking it was still a good overview!
I’ve heard that the ct 15 is a L class extractor while the midi is a M class. I’m looking to get an extractor but just for sanding would the ct 15 be adequate or since it’s a L class is it not?
Thanks Jason - very informative and helped validate my decision to go with my dust extractor. Much appreciated!
Glad you enjoyed it
Very informative video! Thank you Jason!
You’re welcome
I’m looking at a situation and would like your opinion. I need to put a good dust collection in my shop.
I’m looking at Festool midi, and I must admit I’m in the fog on their tool lineup.
The sanders are confusing. I’m a one man shop and would be using it for all my sanding. Rough through 120-320 grit.
What would you recommend? And yes I want the Bluetooth option.
Also I’m going to buy a Oneida Supercell but they just came out with a Supercell “Turbo” with 20% more than the original supercell. Would you opt for the Turbo?
I only open one gate at a time, and have about the same shop tools as yourself..
Thanks
If you carry the vacuum around to jobsite's etc, stick with the mini or midi. Even a half full midi gets annoyingly heavy when you have to lug it around constantly. I can't imagine carrying around a CT26 or even larger for that matter lol But these things are quality. I have a midi that's like between 10 - 15 years old and it still goes strong although it looks like a piece of shit haha.
None of these reviews covers DUST vs CHIP collection… dust should be considered anything under 5 microns … any reviews that cover that? I’m concerned about how the dust affects my lungs. I’ve read all the info on the Pentz website and agree with what he says.
Thanks for explain the differences!!
You’re welcome
Can you later add the Bluetooth to the CT 15?
No
Yeah, but what if you're gonna have a cyclone in front of it? Then what size extractor do we need?
Personally, I would choose a 26 or larger because you will naturally loose a bit of suction when adding a cyclone. To counter that, I would choose one that is rated at a 137 CFM
I do have experience with ctl26 and ctl midi with the ct-va 20 from festool. Both works fine! As mentioned in the video, the power difference is not that big...
Used to have a ct36 and when bag was full it gets real heavy specially when u have to go on stairs
I recently got me a ct midi and i love it its very light and compact,i love the hose garage top i can put my festool tracksaw or sander on it
why can't i just use one of my wireless remote switches that i plug my other tools into instead of buying festool bluetooth
Jason, I have a Festool dust extract, plus in 2015 I added on a Dust Right Separator. Replacing filter bags dropped off greatly. I don’t have a Festool collection like your but I have enough to deal with my needs. Is there a difference with the motors for the various models or is the major change just in capacity. Kevin
I retired a 12 year old black Friday shop vac for a CT15E for detailing vehicles. All I can say is it's a time saver. Very happy with the suction and build quality
Informative video, thanks!
You’re welcome
Thanks Jason, appreciate it. Stay safe.
You’re welcome
what about a cyclone, is it needed?
Not needed but has it benefits
@@bentswoodworking I bought it and yes I can see exactly what you mean, if it's super fine probably a cyclone can help with less time/money on bags. you're the best thank you so much for your honesty and awesome videos!
Can you fit the 36mm hose on a midi?
Yes
Do you think a Festool is a suitable vacuums for an electrician? I had a Makita which was a lemon out the box and am considering just going to one of these. Seems like more of a shop vacuum but don't see why not at the same time
Great info, thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
I have the new generation midi with the ct va20 cyclone, I can't recommend the cyclone enough. I have emptied the bin so many times and the bag is still only a 1/4 full and most of that is from before I got the cyclone
Basic question - the term or description vacuum and dust extractor seem to be interchangeable - is the Festool vacuum and or dust extractor the same thing? If they are different in what way? My need would be the Mini or Midi.
CFM is not a major consideration. So, what is CFM?
CFM means Cubic Feet per Minute. CFM measures the volume of air in cubic feet for each minute it moves. In the case of an air compressor, CFM indicates how much air can move per minute. For example, an air compressor's output could be rated for 30 CFM, which means 30 cubic feet of air is flowing per minute.
@@bentswoodworking I kind of guessed at what it stood for but thanks for putting CFM into perspective for me. I recently used an air compressor for the first time and recall setting up a CFM for output. Just FYI, I'm sending pictures of my ETS 125 and Midi extractor to friends the way normal people send pictures of pets. I love them.
Well golly, I wanted the CT15 because the Bluetooth isn’t important for the sander and eventually domino, but now I’m not sure
Well if you aren’t interested in the Bluetooth, I still think it’s a great option.
I have the CT15 using it with my small power hand tools including a track saw and not having bluetooth has not been an issue. A bigger issue but not big issue, with it is the casters do not lock so it tends to move around when you push the power or manual use buttons since they are on an angled surface. Saying that, it is a great unit and I would buy one again if I need another unit. Thsnks for the review of the different models.
I have 2 ct15s and an old ct33. They all work with the 500 and the xl700 dominos as well as every other tool. What Jason didn’t make clear is that you really don’t need Bluetooth unless you’re using cordless tools. The dust extractors all have auto on/off if you use a corded tool
True, however I find it most helpful with just doing clean up tasks. It’s great being able to control it without having to bend over to switch it on or off.
So helpful, thank you so much. I am a DIY person and need to do the odd thing at home but asthmatic and advised to get these as they are better than the cheap ones in hardware stores. My health comes first.
You don't need to worry about capacity if you use venture separator. Your vacuum becomes just a vacuum and all the dust and dust get collected in another bucket. I forgot which one I have of those vacuum.
Could you use your Gyro G700 for tool dust extraction instead of using one of the Festools?
Yeah, on Amazon the CT 15 is only $399. I doubt I would pay more than that.
I have the CT MIDI I and for the life of me I can’t figure out the sustainer attachment on the unit. I can set the sustainer on the unit but the latches seem to be off by 90 degrees. Anyone have any insight on this?
The BT-bracelet is great. You can also pair the vacuum with the BT-batteries though.
Definitely great to have
Do you need the $45 blue tooth button add on if you are using the Festool bluetooth batteries with your tool? Won't the Festool Bluetooth Batteries tell the dust extractor to turn on when the battery is activated ?
@@paulhimaya1447 Yes they will.
Did I miss the link to the Highland woodworking comparison?
Do any of these DE units work with stationary tools such as a cabinet table saw or miter saw?
Or are they meant for handheld power tools?
Larger stationary tools are meant to be hooked up to a larger dust collector as they typically required a much higher CFM to be effective. Dust extractors and shop vacs aren’t meant for that. Can you hook them up somehow? Yes. Are they going to be super effective? No.
Oneida makes a system that works well for both high cfm tools like a table saw/bandsaw but also low cfm/high pressure needs like handheld tools - seems to work well from the reviews but it is pricey.
Perfect video exactly what I wanted to hear thank you
Does the new generation mini have self-cleaning?
Super informative. Thank you!
Thanks for making this video and all the great info!
Just what I was looking for........many thanks.
Great video, my experience with the Festool ctl36e has not been great, its engine burnt out once and then the electronics caught fire 3 times then it was replaced and the replacement burnt out too. The last one was then repaired and cross fingers is still going 2 months later.
Hopefully they have been able to help out with the problem. I myself have a 36 for a couple years now and have had no issues.
@@bentswoodworking The service was great but I was surprised at the failure as I have many festool products.
Yeah, but I think there is always a chance for that. That’s where a solid warranty makes a world of difference.
Wow, I have 5 of there sanders and a CT26 dust collector, never had a single problem, I love there tools.
@@truthserum9157 yes they are good in general but not without some problems.
Super useful and clear. Many thanks.
The thing with Festool vacuums is that they suck, and not in a good way. The whole system is very well thought out, but they clog really really fast and the power is just not sufficient at all. I have been using makita vacuums for the better part of 10 years and they hold up better than my new festools. I own the CTL SYS, the new MIDI and the 36 and they all suffer from the same power deficiency. It gets even worse when you use the cyclone separator which effectively reduces your vacuum to a box that makes noise but nothing else.
Even my 10 year old Makita unit works with a plastic cyclone on an oil drum and still is powerful enough to vacuum the floor with or connect powertools to it. In the shop the festools have been fully replaced with the old makitas again, and I must admit I do take the festools on jobs but more often than not I don't spare myself the hassle and take the large makita + oil drum with me on jobs as well as it just gets the job done. Can easily vacuum concrete or fluids with it, or hook up any machine to it. Three things the Festool vacuums struggle with.
Are you selling Makita because you are a fanboy, or do the Festool vacs lack power?