Jesus in Genesis 22: Evidence for the Bible pt8

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  • Опубликовано: 12 июн 2016
  • Genesis 22 has a prophetic picture of the sacrifice of Jesus. This is part of a large series on "Evidence for the Bible" from Mike Winger. Subscribe if you want updates when I make a video.
    Full "Evidence for the Bible" playlist here: • Has God Spoken? EVIDEN...

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  • @melissaallison8463
    @melissaallison8463 5 лет назад +26

    Your breakdown of the details never fails to amaze me. We often know the stories but to know that God was so intentional with even the smallest details..🤯🤯

  • @cathywestholt5324
    @cathywestholt5324 4 года назад +39

    Do you think the ram having his horns caught in the thicket could be a symbol of the crown of thorns?

    • @EmilyJBecker
      @EmilyJBecker 3 года назад +12

      Absolutely!!

    • @ricktharuler7911
      @ricktharuler7911 6 месяцев назад

      I don’t think so. Because it was a ram 🐏 and not a lamb 🐑 but still an interesting thought

  • @JasonTrivium
    @JasonTrivium 8 лет назад +29

    Thanks so much for laying out all the details Mike, I've watched all eight videos, and this series has really blessed me. I'm looking forward to your next several parts. God bless.

  • @mam241
    @mam241 4 года назад +12

    Great teaching Pastor, I will be having a family bible study at my house this weekend on this topic and I thank you for this presentation. 07:45 now we know pastor that the atheists openly admit (matt dilahunty, richard dawkins, mike shermer) that even if the stars formed a message, if a man came back from the dead, they would just think they were hallucinating. They desire, to not believe. Jesus spoke the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, and Abraham told him, "even if someone were to come back from the dead, they will still not believe"

  • @shannagrubbs8548
    @shannagrubbs8548 Год назад +5

    I really appreciate you taking the time to study and pray to bring us a word God layed upon your heart..you are making a difference in the times we are living in..please don't give up..we need videos like this...they are a blessing to many💗

  • @Rob-sk3sk
    @Rob-sk3sk 4 года назад +4

    Amazing!!! I’m getting so much out of this series, I praise God for you!

  • @LittleLouieLagazza
    @LittleLouieLagazza 4 года назад +1

    This whole series is a runaway smash Pastor! Have learned so much already! Keep up the tempo... and THANK YOU

  • @camilaalvarez4872
    @camilaalvarez4872 8 лет назад +3

    I have enjoyed this series so mucho! Thank you! :)

  • @kevinsolveson5480
    @kevinsolveson5480 3 года назад +2

    Much to appreciate about Mike's teaching, but most of all, I think I appreciate the joy of the Lord with which his lessons are delivered.

  • @Kerusso213
    @Kerusso213 5 лет назад +2

    This message has really blessed me thank you

  • @PSNkakashi1027
    @PSNkakashi1027 8 лет назад +3

    awesome series! praise the LORD for your time and effort to bring this. God bless you, and not sure if you recorded the Q&As would have been interesting to hear what other think os say about it. Overall thank you for providing this series learned a lot.

    • @MikeWinger
      @MikeWinger  8 лет назад +4

      Thank you! I will continue to upload more videos in this series as they are made. I'll have a new one out later today on Daniel chapter 9. I spoke with the group of people who come to the Sunday evening studies I teach and they preferred not to record the Q&A for their own privacy, but I am happy to try and answer as many questions as I have time for in the comment section of my videos.

  • @btalpes
    @btalpes Год назад

    Beautifully put together!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻 praise God!!

  • @dawnmichelle4403
    @dawnmichelle4403 Год назад

    Listened to this on Good Friday. Perfect timing. 🙌🏻

  • @athb4hu
    @athb4hu 5 лет назад +5

    This is great, loved it. God is amazing.

  • @Rizzycat1
    @Rizzycat1 3 месяца назад

    Such a wonderful presentation!! Thank you 🙏

  • @jackimmanuel604
    @jackimmanuel604 2 года назад +1

    THANK YOU GOD ELOHIM FOR YOUR LOVE💖🕊️🎄✝️🕊️🙏🙏🙏
    And Thank You Brother @Mike Winger🕊️💖🙏
    Shalom And Love From Indonesian Christian🕊️
    Christ For World And For Indonesia Too🕊️🇲🇨💖

  • @mam241
    @mam241 4 года назад +2

    The statements you made after 7:30 are so on point. This prophecy for Jesus i believe is one of the most powerful foreshadowings in the Bible. I was explaining to an atheist catholic i work with (who was familiar with jesus' crucifixion) the parallel's with abraham and Isaac, and he could only say "wow"... It is incredibly powerful, but people have to have a humble heart and actually want to serve God, instead of pride and rebellion.

  • @chrissmithnotw
    @chrissmithnotw 5 лет назад +8

    35:17 "Sandwiches on the sea shore" 🤣🤣🤣... I hope that prophecy isn't fulfilled yet!

    • @GFGS_55
      @GFGS_55 5 лет назад +3

      Brilliantly spotted. Man I laughed so much

    • @mam241
      @mam241 4 года назад +4

      lolll i heard the same thing! i had to look back at my computer i thought he was trying to tell a joke or something lol

    • @gabicreightonbooksetc.
      @gabicreightonbooksetc. Год назад +1

      I was like, what!? 😆😂🤣

  • @joshrichards9121
    @joshrichards9121 2 года назад

    Thank you brother. This is amazing. Another detail I find really cool is the adult lamb (ram) has its head stuck in a thorn bush (thicket). The crown of thorns on the head before the sacrifice.

  • @kellyalvey
    @kellyalvey Год назад +1

    What a beautiful Savior we have ❤

  • @ninonapoli1018
    @ninonapoli1018 6 лет назад +1

    thankyou you are truly inspired by god to teach

  • @garlicgirl3149
    @garlicgirl3149 2 года назад +1

    This piece of scripture always amazed me. Once I learned that the son was between teen and young adult age...I was in awe. He submitted to his father. What a picture!!!!

  • @GFGS_55
    @GFGS_55 5 лет назад +2

    It was a ram because later when the sacrifices are given the ram becomes the scape goat or the one on whom the curses and sin is laid. Look at the teaching on the Red Heifer of Jacob Prasch for a great understanding on this. Love your work Mike!

  • @mam241
    @mam241 4 года назад +4

    Rofllll "Jehova Jireh, Lord i need a hamburger!"

  • @P_Ezi
    @P_Ezi 3 года назад +2

    Regarding dogs and cats:
    [Luke 4:8] And Jesus answered him, “It is written, “‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve.’”
    "Worship" in the original Greek text is προσκυνέω, proskuneo (pros-koo-neh'-o) meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand; from πρός, pros = toward; and κύων, κυνός (koo'-own) = a dog (as in canine).
    We are commanded to be "like a dog toward God."
    It is good to have a dog around as a reminder of that picture of us with respect to God.

  • @HalLeath
    @HalLeath 2 года назад +1

    The Trumpets blown in the Bible were Ram’s Horns. Shofars. They were blown for Feasts and Special gatherings. What is so amazing to me is the fact that the first mention of it in the Bible is when Abraham was tested by offering up his son Isaac, and a Ram was found caught in the thicket by it’s horns. The Ram was then sacrificed instead of Isaac.
    However, on the way up Mount Moriah, Isaac asked his father “where is the lamb?” Abraham answered “the Lord will provide Himself a lamb.”
    Later on when Abraham lifted up his knife to slay Isaac, the Lord stopped him and thus a Ram was found tangled in the thicket by the horns. Now, I find it fascinating that it wasn’t a lamb! Abraham told Isaac that the LORD WILL PROVIDE HIMSELF A LAMB, not a Ram! Why?
    I believe that it is very significant that a Ram was found. Because the Lamb of God would come in the future.
    So every time a Shofar was blown in Israel it symbolized Abraham’s testing and how God substituted a Ram for Isaac. But it goes even deeper than that, it also symbolizes that THE LORD WILL PROVIDE HIMSELF A LAMB!
    Then Abraham lifted his eyes and looked, and there behind him was a ram caught in a thicket by its horns. So Abraham went and took the ram, and offered it up for a burnt offering instead of his son. And Abraham called the name of the place, The- Lord -Will-Provide; as it is said to this day, “In the Mount of the Lord it shall be provided.”
    Genesis 22:13-14
    Hundreds of years later John the Baptist saw Jesus and said “ BEHOLD THE LAMB OF GOD WHO TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD.”
    Now read very carefully, Jesus Christ was crucified on the same Mountain, Mount Moriah, that Abraham offered up Isaac. The same Mountain where the Ram was caught. The same place called THE LORD WILL PROVIDE! Finally after hundreds of years and thousands of blown Ram’s horns, the Lord provided Himself as the Lamb.
    Hallelujah to the Lamb of God.
    Now also understand that a loud shofar was blown when God descended on Mount Sinai! Look carefully:
    Then it came to pass on the third day, in the morning, that there were thunderings and lightnings, and a thick cloud on the mountain; and the sound of the trumpet was very loud, so that all the people who were in the camp trembled. And Moses brought the people out of the camp to meet with God, and they stood at the foot of the mountain. Now Mount Sinai was completely in smoke, because the Lord descended upon it in fire. Its smoke ascended like the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mountain quaked greatly. And when the blast of the trumpet (SHOFAR) sounded long and became louder and louder, Moses spoke, and God answered him by voice. Then the Lord came down upon Mount Sinai, on the top of the mountain. And the Lord called Moses to the top of the mountain, and Moses went up.
    Exodus 19:16-20
    Amazing! Even God Himself had a SHOFAR SOUND LOUD AND LONG before He spoke and came to meet Israel!
    But we have come to a different Mountain! Look…
    For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest, and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore. (For they could not endure what was commanded: “And if so much as a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned or shot with an arrow.” And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, “I am exceedingly afraid and trembling.”) But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. See that you do not refuse Him who speaks. For if they did not escape who refused Him who spoke on earth, much more shall we not escape if we turn away from Him who speaks from heaven, whose voice then shook the earth; but now He has promised, saying, “Yet once more I shake not only the earth, but also heaven.” Now this, “Yet once more,” indicates the removal of those things that are being shaken, as of things that are made, that the things which cannot be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by which we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear. For our God is a consuming fire.
    Hebrews 12:18-29

    • @rooshobers7778
      @rooshobers7778 Год назад

      Amazing!! What a wonderful God we have! Thank you for sharing :-)

  • @phillipepps1598
    @phillipepps1598 5 месяцев назад

    Mike can group all of these together so I can all 20 parts

  • @ericahipper5345
    @ericahipper5345 Год назад +1

    It sounds like he said "the sandwiches" on the sea shore.
    Time stamp 35:15 😂 🥪

  • @yoshuanow5786
    @yoshuanow5786 8 лет назад +3

    Hey brother have you seen the meaning of the name Adam or Aleph, Daleth, Mem: Aleph = sacrifice or atonement, Daleth = A Door or Gate and Mem = Water, waves, a flood this is interesting to me especially that Jesus was the Atonement/Sacrifice. Jesus called himself a Door and Jesus said that anyone who followed him he would give to them life giving water (holy spirit) and it would become an everlasting spring in them (John 4:14)So Adams name itself seems to be a prophecy.

    • @MikeWinger
      @MikeWinger  8 лет назад +2

      I think that is very interesting and I have heard it or something similar but I haven't been able to verify those meanings of Hebrew letters.

    • @yoshuanow5786
      @yoshuanow5786 8 лет назад +2

      neither have I but it is something I want to definitely pursue later on in study because I think it makes a provable case because who would even think to put a prophecy in a name if it is not from God.

    • @justchilling704
      @justchilling704 5 лет назад

      Just check out Chuck Missler.

    • @Rob-sk3sk
      @Rob-sk3sk 4 года назад

      Izzy Avraham from Holy Language Institute goes through the meanings of the Hebrew letters on his course Hebrew Quest. He’s a wonderful man and knows a lot of insights into the Hebrew Scriptures if you ever want to check him out. I learnt quite a bit of Hebrew in his course myself. Quite eye opening.

  • @midimusicforever
    @midimusicforever 4 дня назад

    Trust the Bible!

  • @eriktedja1199
    @eriktedja1199 Год назад

    By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was offering up his only begotten son; it was he to whom it was said, “In Isaac your descendants shall be called.” He considered that God is able to raise people even from the dead, from which he also received him back as a type.
    - Hebrews 11:17-19

  • @scotteramsey
    @scotteramsey 2 года назад

    Thank you, Mike. I am working my way through the Bible for the first time and have a question. In Genesis 1:27 God created man and woman in his own image and tells them to be fruitful and multiply and to fill the earth. Then in Chapter 2, God creates Adam and Eve. Were there other people besides Adam and Eve? If you can respond to this, I would appreciate that or if you have a video on this let me know. appreciate your help and teachings.

    • @lepidoptera9337
      @lepidoptera9337 2 года назад

      Genesis contains two creation accounts which are not fully compatible with each other. The second one was clearly written to appease the occupiers of the Kingdom of Judah, i.e. either the Babylonians or the Persians because it leaves room for other gods that are creating other (non-Jewish) people. The "fruitful and multiply" motive can also be found at the end of the Noah story, which completely destroys the last shred of internal consistency and which was clearly adapted from the Babylonians. You can clearly see that the bible is a hodgepodge of facets of different belief systems and political necessities that were used far outside of their original historical context (which often didn't last longer than a few decades).

    • @jessb9514
      @jessb9514 2 года назад +2

      Genesis 1 gives a broad overview of the creation week. Genesis 2 zooms in on the details of the creation of mankind and the events of the garden. They aren't contradictory. They are looking at the same event from different angles.

    • @scotteramsey
      @scotteramsey 2 года назад +1

      @@jessb9514 Thanks Jess. Thats an interesting way of looking at those 2 chapters. Appreciate your insight.

    • @lepidoptera9337
      @lepidoptera9337 2 года назад

      @@jessb9514 Why are you guys so obsessed with contradictions? "Arabian Nights" contains plenty of repetitions of the same stories and they don't match in details, either. That's the beauty of literature. It's all made up and one can reuse the same plot multiple times and end up with perfectly "valid" versions. The real problem here is not Genesis, the real problem are people who are deliberately lying by pretending that it's not a fairytale. ;-)

    • @dulls8475
      @dulls8475 Год назад +2

      @@lepidoptera9337 That does not stand up to close scrutiny. The Genesis account has some similarities to other creation accounts but is a stand alone document and unique to all creation accounts. Eternity beakons for you. Take care with what you do with it.....

  • @Papasquatch73
    @Papasquatch73 5 лет назад

    13:39 How did he defile his marriage

    • @MCMLXIable
      @MCMLXIable 3 года назад

      By having sex with his wife Sarah’s handmaiden. The sad part was that Sarah was SO desperate that was her idea to begin with and it just totally messed things up. The two women were fighting, then Issac comes along and Abraham has to send Hagar and Ishmael away. The result to this day is that neither of the half brothers would get along which gets handed down through their descendants Hebrews (Jews) and Bedouins (Arabs). And that little children is why there’s no peace in the Middle East.

  • @MattyJohn146
    @MattyJohn146 7 лет назад +2

    Prophesy IS the best apologetic for the bible!

  • @chrisbrooks4032
    @chrisbrooks4032 5 лет назад +1

    Prophecy!!!

  • @jonathancarlson6150
    @jonathancarlson6150 7 лет назад +1

    hey these are great have you heard of Frank Turek he is one of the authors who wrote i don't have enough faith to be an atheist

  • @mikechristian-vn1le
    @mikechristian-vn1le Год назад

    Jephthah, in Judges 11:30-39, sacrifices his virgin daughter after he made a foolish pledge.

  • @caliomaston42418
    @caliomaston42418 5 лет назад +1

    Fire bender haha

  • @annechesley8565
    @annechesley8565 6 лет назад

    . . .but then a ram showed up, SOOOOOO cool! Thanks for pointing that out!!!

  • @bosstoober8782
    @bosstoober8782 2 года назад +1

    33 comes from sacred Tradition I believe, which is part of God's word

    • @bhlara82
      @bhlara82 Месяц назад

      Hi! What is “sacred tradition?” It sounds like an oxymoron… like, it’s either sacred, as in something given from God (in His word), or it’s a tradition, something people added or made up and is not commanded or affirmed by God. Jesus made this distinction with the Pharisees in Mk 7. Not to say all traditions are bad, but they should not be elevated to the same status as the word of God. Be blessed!

    • @bosstoober8782
      @bosstoober8782 Месяц назад

      @@bhlara82 Tradition is simply that which is passed on. Scripture is simply that which is written down. Both could be either inspired or not.

  • @Frank-rt5wv
    @Frank-rt5wv 3 года назад

    Your teaching was very well said, but the one thing you did not parallel is Isaac did not now what was going to happen till the the last moments. If jesus pre existed that does not work. Jesus had no idea what was installed for him until after he was baptized in water and then in Spirit. Went into the wilderness for 40 days to learn and receive instruction, see the parallel here just like the 40 years for Gods people. If Jesus new all this. Think about it. And when a messenger of God is sent to speak, he speaks with the authority off God like God is right there, no Angel was Jesus. The Farther had a plan in place from the the foundation of the Earth that he will raise a Prophet and put his word in his mouth. What the Farther says comes about in his appointed time. Stop following the doctrine on the Roman empire. May the Father the one and only true God Jesus's God. Bless you all.

    • @johnmmmberry
      @johnmmmberry 27 дней назад

      You said Jesus’s God. I’m curious, when Jesus said “the Father and I are one”, he also says “I am the way, the truth and the life” he also says “Before Abraham was, I am”. Along with 7 other “I AM” statements similar to the ones God made in the Old Testament. He also claimed to be “the bread of life” and the light of the world” Jesus was more than a prophet. He was the Son of the living God. Then you have the living waters (Holy Spirit). The final thing I want to note is in Revelation 22:1 it states “And he showed me a pure River of water of life (Holy Spirit), clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God (The Father) and of the lamb (Jesus).

    • @Frank-rt5wv
      @Frank-rt5wv 26 дней назад

      ​@@johnmmmberry massiah never ever came to take the glory of the Father. What you read doesn't fit it's twisted words. Massiah Siad I Am is the way the light the resurrection etc. It's more logical to see it like that because massiah also said if I glorify myself it means nothing. The Father and I are one every thing he tells me to do I do. Unlike those in John 8 ,4 I 0:01 do what I see from my father. Verse 44 you do the lust of your father he was a lier murdere from the beginning. Who was the murder from the beginning? Cain was. Not his father Lucifer cain murdered Able. Math 23, 33 cain is the brood of Lucifer. Gen 3, two seeds two offspring. Work it out. Cain and his children have twisted truth to hid the themselves as Cain does vagabond

  • @xxsageonexx8910
    @xxsageonexx8910 4 года назад

    It’s amazing how much effort you need to employ to prevent people from leaving the religion.

  • @DesGardius-me7gf
    @DesGardius-me7gf 2 года назад

    “Why should we turn to someone other than historians or scientists, the experts in their related fields of research, for answers related to history or science? Apologists are just there to take advantage of you, telling you what you want to hear when the evidence tells you otherwise. The sheer existence of apologists is reason alone to raise suspicion. Their dishonesty is blatant when you simply double check what they say. In the end, historians and scientists are not just one big conspiracy against Jesus, the Bible is simply wrong about most things.”
    -Joseph R. Hanson

    • @dulls8475
      @dulls8475 Год назад

      Did you know that the majority of Nobel prize winners were either Christian or Jewish. So why should I not turn to historians and scientists to support the Bible? I take it you are an atheist. I hope you find true peace in Jesus Christ.

  • @jamesjahavey1681
    @jamesjahavey1681 7 лет назад

    Mike do you know how many different Gods there are in the bible how do you know which one you are speaking of? Just as an example who is the God of this world?

    • @jude3891
      @jude3891 4 года назад +3

      There are many gods (as in things people worship) but only one God (one who is worthy of worship). If you know anything about the bible, you know this so stop trying to play word games and listen to what Mike is actually saying.

    • @TheBanjoShowOfficial
      @TheBanjoShowOfficial 10 месяцев назад

      why do you tempt God in such ways? You know the answer and yet you mock him. Be careful with your words.

  • @SocialMediaSoup
    @SocialMediaSoup Год назад

    Cats are useless 😂😂😂

  • @clerickolter
    @clerickolter 7 лет назад

    Wasn't the OT written before the NT so its simply more likely the writers wrote the NT to fit the OT prophecies. As for human sacrifice in the story of Jephtah in the Book of Judges a great leader and clearly godly sacrificed his daughter after making a vow to god and did kill her and so your a liar or don't know the Bible or lying to these people on purpose. Or are you denying that story involved a Judge a servant of god and an important figure to god. I'm an Atheist and know more of the Bible than many Christians.

    • @MikeWinger
      @MikeWinger  7 лет назад +18

      +clerickolter If you are familiar with the Bible than you must be aware of the fact that God absolutely forbid any sacrifice of a human in the Law of Moses, which Jephthah had. His story is one of shame and regret and sad ignorance of God's commands. To suggest that every action of Jephthah, even when he goes directly against the Law, is somehow presented as godly is a strange and self-serving twisting of the text.
      You have a theory about prophecy which entails that the whole story of Jesus is made up. I challenge you to study for yourself to see if this is the case. Do some research and see if you can prove that the New Testament gospels are not only unhistorical but are purely fabricated to make Jesus appear to be the Messiah of Jewish scripture. Please consider how to prove the following. 1- why do contemporary, hostile sources affirm important points that correspond to not only the existence of Jesus but his death by crucifixion under Pilate and the reports of his resurrection. 2- why don't any hostile sources say "they made it up"? 3- Why, in a fabricated story with made up details, did the gospel writers (particularly Luke) offer so many verifiably true statements about history that would have only been known to a contemporary and only of interest to one giving a historic account as opposed to a fabricated one? 4- why did the eye witnesses suffer martyrdom rather than give up on "the lie"? 5- Why did they start this "lie" in Jerusalem (know that fulfilled prophecy was one of the primary ways they convinced early Jews to accept Jesus as Messiah) when Jerusalem would have been the one place where it would be the hardest to spread a lie, since these supposed events happened right there. 6- How did it work? That is, how did they successfully start this faith in Jesus as the fulfillment of OT prophecy in Jerusalem contemporary to eye witnesses who would have known it wasn't true?
      I look forward to your thoughts,
      Mike

    • @TheBanjoShowOfficial
      @TheBanjoShowOfficial 10 месяцев назад +1

      Old comment but I don't care- There is no easier strawman argument to make than to say "The NT was made to fit the OT" and it clearly shows that you do not have an understanding of neither the OT nor the NT from your manner of speaking about them. Seems like a lot of atheists say they read the Bible and claim to know more than Christians themselves, and yet lack the basic understandings of parallelisms woven in through every book of the Bible across all the scripture. If you read the gospel, even you would quickly come to realize the disciples did not know who Jesus was, did not understand his ways, did not understand the plan that he had set in motion, failed to understand even his parables, and hell, even abandoned him or betrayed him in his final hours before condemnation. His OWN disciples abandoned him. His OWN disciples could not figure out what he even was, and Jesus knew that he had to use parables for the people to listen because people were not ready to hear the truth of Yeshua's divinity. fast forward a few decades and the disciples become Apostles have already seen his resurrection, they are reminded of his words, and they begin to write the gospels which inevitably end up drawing many many parallels with that in the Old Testament. That doesn't mean they knew what was going on when it was going down.

  • @onelittleindian745
    @onelittleindian745 4 года назад +1

    It's all just tales. Decent ones but just story after story.

  • @Culexus1
    @Culexus1 Год назад

    It sure does take a lot of talking to spin mere speculation and post hoc rationalizations into a 40 minute video. This is not serious discourse - it's the equivalent of listening to Star Wars fans spin fan theories.

  • @richardbluett958
    @richardbluett958 Год назад

    It was not a prophecy, it was a test of faith in God, nothing to do with Jesus, it is a twisting of scripture which Christianity does all the time.