What you NEED to know about the "400,000 VARIANTS" in the Bible! Evidence for the Bible pt15
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- Опубликовано: 9 окт 2016
- Get the full story on the 400,000 variants in the New Testament manuscripts. Skeptics and critics of the Bible are armed with half the story, when you have the other half you can easily demonstrate that the Bible we hold today is a faithful representation of the original texts written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
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I'm Christian from Egypt , when i discovered your channel pastor i spent much time on it and it helped me so much , God bless you
Welcome to the family.I hope you are well. 💜
@@queenSummerKeli thank you, i hope you too
Amazing I'm from NY and I've heard things about Egypt and how you don't have a choice besides the Muslim religion. I can't imagine but I'm so happy you came to the truth. 😊
Praying for Egypt and my Christian brethren living there! 🙏
Wow amazing, I really adore middle Eastern christian, it makes me think that there's always hope for our Muslim friends, Jesus is Lord!
dear Mike as an apologist in arabic world Thank you so much for this video
My brother from The people of the book ☺️ Happy Shabbat 🎉
@Martin Ramsbottom I'm planning on going to seminary for apologetics. If you've been to seminary, do you have any advice?
@Martin Ramsbottom Yeah it’s terribly they’ve been truly deceived, they see our saviour Jesus as nothing but a prophet and think He even worshipped their false god. Their books say so many lies about Christians and Jews their simply hateful sadly ive heard from many their the hardest to reach.. I guess the best we can do when someone is so hard hearted is to pray for the Holy Spirit to open up their hearts.. may God bless them, I use to go to school with about 50% muslims and it breaks my heart knowing if I try and preach the true gospel to them they’d harm me, i’ve had a muslim threaten that he was allowed to kill me because his quran says to kill all infidels (non believers) they even kill their own for leaving the faith. May the true God of Israel reach them :( i’ll be praying !
Amen
A grade school teacher did this with his class every year:
He did the telephone game, with the usual outcome.
Next he told the class that if they got it wrong recess would be suspended for the rest of the week.
The outcome?
They got it exactly right!
This happened with every class, every year.
The moral to the story?
When the stakes are high enough the telephone game argument fails..
Can you elaborate / verify if I am understanding your take on the analogy?
Here, the "grade school teacher" is God, and the threat of suspending recess is Hell or punishment. Now, I think your point here is show that the fear of Hell for the manuscript copiers was enough to deter them from getting the core message wrong.
Concerning just the psychological thought of the copiers though, at best for atheists, doesn't necessarily prove or disprove God's existence. However, it is greatly significant that a vast majority of the manuscripts have, in essence, the same intended meaning. It would demonstrate the extent of seriousness the scribes had and support an argument if legitimacy. Perhaps the analogy wasn't aimed at such, and so I'm wondering if I am understanding though.
Shredhed's point was not about the punishment representing hell but rather that when something is very important...people will treat it as so.
Skeptics try to say that the Bible was like a bad game of the telephone game where the message was distorted throughout the years. The compared it to a bad game of telephone amongst children. Shredhed is showing how kids actually get the message right when they need to. And so this supports that the Bible is reliable.
@@kitchenboy69 An experiment lasting less than 12 hours can prove that an idea can survive uncorrupted for 2000 years?
@Oat just watch the video. The video has a ton of amazing information in it. God bless you!
@@oatmiser3110 Did you even watch the video? There is no "corruption" in the scripture... and it's funny how you changed it to idea as if we can't record these things. This is the only way atheists can exist, by moving the goalposts every time we put forward a new proof of God.
I don't know how, but one day I was on RUclips and found your vlogs. I have now been watching them as many as I can daily. Thanks for your clear, succinct, easily understandable preaching. God be with you....
This is interesting.. I’ve always heard skeptics say “the Bible has been changed over and over and therefore the scriptures are not reliable”. While I never believed the skepticism because my experience in a changed life and faith in the Messiah, I have never studied this topic. This stuff is good to know. Thank you for sharing.
9:15 "It's our ignorance of these issues that the sceptics count on"... so true!
This was sooooo interesting to learn and so helpful when talking with skeptics! I watched the first half yesterday and God already used this video in a conversation I ended up getting in on a delivery last night!! Praise God! I was so glad I watched this beforehand. Watched the rest today. So so so gooood! I think I'm a Bible nerd 😁😅🙏⭐️🍎
Agreed!
best kind of nerd there is
I think you're an: idiot
I am too, its a good kind of nerd to be.
I just discovered Mr Winger and I have been listening to as many teachings as I can coz there is so much that I can learn from him. He is so clear in his teachings and I thank God for leading me to him. Thank you Mr Mike Winger for your love of God and His Book.
God is using you to touch many peoples lives and I will try to remember you in my prayers so you will continue to be a blessing to the body of Christ. I've learned alot since I discovered your channel
An airtight apologetic expressed through Minecraft analogies. THIS is why we love Mike Winger!
Love your "Princess Bride" reference! "You keep using that word...I do not think it means what you think it means."
Mike this video is a gold mine, a treasure trove of truth. Thank you for taking the time to put all this together your ministry is soooooo needed at this time. God bless you my brother!
I love watching your videos! Very informative and as a born again Christian it's so helpful to understand the Bible and to the evidence of the Bible and Jesus... I believe on faith alone but it's nice to know what to say to skeptics! God Bless you and your family and your works!
+Nicole Sovine thank you, Nicole!
Faith alone won’t convince anyone, that’s where Apologetics come in.
@@bornagainalex2250 Disagree. Faith alone through Christ alone, revealed through the Word alone, is ENOUGH to convince. Now when contending for the faith, and engaging in community discussions about our faith, our God-Savior, His standards and why we accept what He said above all else, including the voices of the self humans, other humans and systems, there we engage apologetics to challenge the humans' limited thinking in the face of a GOD whose thoughts are way higher than ours. We can discuss what He has decided to reveal and left behind for us to contemllate, as we seek that which is innate in us to find: the One we are created to worship.
The Holy Spirit's job is to convince them, like He must convince us also. We just declare truth and wisely provide the linear movement to connect the dots we have to discuss the need for salvation and God's love for the lost human race, redeemed through Christ alone. God does the rest.
Thank you Pastor Mike. Soooo grateful for your obedience and ministry. Have learned so much in finding you on RUclips. Great is the Lord!
I hope you've turned from Faith alone. The bible teaches Grace through faith, then sanctification ;) you ain't saved unless God saves you :)
Wow! This is the best video I’ve seen on this topic. Good job in explaining everything and exposing Erhman! 😂 “he leads them to believe in something he doesn’t believe” hahaha it exposes his emotional unbelief. Also...I believe atheists just spew the variants argument without even investigating themselves 🤦🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
You are so knowledgeable and I appreciate these presentations so much. 🙏🏽✝️🎉
Yeah, bro thank you, Mike
This channel have truly been a blessing to me :)
Then you need to see what blessings means
@@islam1465 you didn't like it?
So glad I found this video. I have been a believer for many years and just recently came across the 'varient' issues and it has disturbed me greatly, and shook my faith in God's word, but after truly seeking his guidance and spirit, I have had to accept the fact that there are variants, and that even tho i don't understand it all, and some look weird to me, i have to trust God with them and that they don't change anything regarding doctrine, and try not to freak out over it! I am a word freak and feel like things have to be the same all across the pages, and this has helped verify what I feel God has been speaking to me. Thanks again. I'll try to watch your other ones
HEATHER: I feel the same way. I've been a KJV ONLY, but recently I have been reading other translations, even the NLT which does not follow Calvin's 5 points. It has been nothing but a joy in so doing.
Same thing happened to me and the new Bibles cause lots of issues. The info this guy provides is not exactly accurate. Check out videos from will Kinney, David Daniels, and av1611. I wouldn't use new Bibles. If Bibles have error in them, they can't be God's word.
@@Beleeuer how is it not exactly accurate? Is that the issue or is it that his explanation didnt solve your doubt?
@@glenconverse1327 That is so encouraging to hear! I study from the KJV. But I am not an onlyist. My Pastor reads from the NLT. I am not a Calvinist either. We have just joined the Baptist Church. It seems very Biblically sound. The Pastor doesn't add works to be saved. He always says that it is not by works that we are saved. But just believing in trusting in what Christ has done on the cross. My husband and I havent been able to find a good Biblical Church for years here in the UK. But this Church feels so right! I feel so blessed when we go there. Praise Jesus! 😊 🙏🙏
The belief in the doctrine is what saves, not the exact wording on the paper. After all, when you think about your belief in God are you reading the words literally in your head, or just thinking about God?
Mike, I've been going through your videos. Thank you so much for putting this information together. I have enjoyed these videos.
+Charley Seymour thanks for letting me know!
I already know this, but I love hearing the presentation from you. Apologists is more important than ever and if we stand on the resurrection argument and the reliability of the New Testament, we can fight the invading army of New atheism.
Mike, thanks so much for your clear, concise, and succinct teaching on these significant matters. I love your videos. Please keep doing this. You encourage me so much!
Thank you for the video, so informative
Mike, thanks so much for this series! Fascinating and encouraging!
Idk if you'll ever read this comment, but Mike I really appreciate what you do on this channel. You have no idea.
I just found your channel. I needed this right now. (Thank you Jesus for leading me here.) I am truly blessed by your teaching, Pastor Mike.
Thank you, Pastor, Mike. God bless you abundantly!
I've recently found your channel, and I love it.
In other languages, the book of James is titled Jacob in their language. The Spanish title for James is Santiago. The manuscripts didn't have titles. The error was made by John Wycliffe when he did an English translation. It doesn't change the message of the book.
Just wanted to throw in a quick thank you for this video, it has really helped me a lot
This was so incredibly helpful. Thanks Mike!
Thank you so much for this, pastor Mike! May God bless you more and more!
I’m glad I found your channel in 2021. I wish you a blessed way teaching and sharing biblical thinking. (From Brazil)
Nossa Mae do ceu!
This is very encouraging, thanks for posting this :).
Mike, excellent video. I really liked the way you put the critics into perspective. I also liked the part at the end where you included the audience questions. Keep up the good work.
Hi Pastor Mike. I've been watching your videos for a while, they are very informative and such a blessing. Thought I'd say hi at this point. I'm from Québec, Canada. This video was awesome I'm definitely sharing it :) Be blessed!
I really appreciate this video, and I'm hungry to learn more.
pastor i just want to encourage you, i laugh at your jokes 🤣🤣🔥 God Bless You! blessings from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷
Yo soy boricua pa’que tú lo sepas! WEPA!
@@apologiaromana4123 🥰💯🔥
@@realista3 Thing is i’m not even fully Puerto Rican lol
Fantastic stuff Mike.
"Pastor Mike peed his pants." That's how you know they love you 😂
This is awesome, thank you for the talk!
Wow, thank you 🙏🏼 MIKE! praise God.
Flawless presentation!
My friend has used this " telephone game" excuse for why she doesn't believe the Bible....but she's never read it!! You gotta read it and you'll know. Im talking about studying the Bible.
This is incredible! Thank you!
Thank you for this study. I have learned so much
Excellent, well done, Mike! 👍👍
God Bless You Pastor Mike!
35:35 Sorry Mark, but having been a grammarian for many years, I have to respectfully correct you on one non-theological detail, as minor as it may seem. In English, the variation between "a" or "an" is not dependent upon whether the subsequent word begins with a vowel or a consonant, but with a vowel or consonant sound, hence "an honor" and a "universe". An understandable mistake since many of us were taught the erroneous rule in elementary school. Predictably, I expect to be accused of nitpicking, but I'm sure not from one such as yourself, as we both seem to be "sticklers" for accuracy. BTW, love your teaching. It's helped me many times during my discussions with atheists. Way cool!
I used to think my grammar was terrible until I got online. RUclips comments irk me so much.
Thank you for these videos Mike. Very informative. Love in Christ 😊🙏🙏❤
So reassuring of the soundness of scripture ❤️
Thank you Pastor Mike, I intend to hopefully complete a piece of artwork on you soon. Lord willing🙏
I'm not sure how I can send it to you but I'll post on here when it is done.
Praise God, I have learned a lot. Keep going, Mike Winger!
AWESOME - thank you!
Pastor Mike. Thanks for sharing these videos and your passion for truth. Very, very interesting and informative.
Pastor Mike, you are doing important work! Keep it up! God Bless you and protect you!
Thank you pastor Mike for the time and dedication it takes to research these things. Many of us do not have that kind of time.
Years ago I got into a dispute with a person. He asked me if I read a certain book. I told him no. He said, See you don't understand. Later I read the book. Then there was another problem. That problem was, I did read the, and I did understand.
great information. I loved it.
Very interesting
So good!
Thank you Mike. This series has been most helpful. Listening to the series a second time. Most useful to deal with KJV Only people too.
Great message as always Mike. I'm glad I came across your channel. God bless you and strengthen you. Is there a link to the closing theme in all of this series? I love the message of the song ❤
Here it is. ruclips.net/video/GltUrZEYqRM/видео.html
You can also find it on bandcamp. I wrote it and recorded it with the help of friends.
@@MikeWinger thank you. Stay blessed
It is NO COINCIDENCE that this video has low views compared to it's utter and sheer importance
Pastor Mike I just wanted to thank you for this teaching on this. It definitely removed some fears I was having.. when it comes to reading different translation of the Bible .. KJV, ESV, niv,.. ECT.. I understand that some prefer one translation more than another one. I don't push others to read what I do because we are all different In our understanding of scripture. I grew up reading KJV and I still read mine to cross reference. I have enjoyed reading the ESV I have compared many scriptures and I have yet found anything that's a contradictory from one translation to another.. I was wondering how do you handle when you have someone basically says thing's like the kjv is the only correct translation and what will I tell God when he ask me why did I read from these other versions where his word has been altered.? 🥺 This is a very deep concern for me. I tried my best to explain things as best as I could. Literally took scripture out of context when this person told me that God has made it very clear what happens to us if we add, remove, or change his word. I did say that I have compared the 3 different translations above with each other and they all have the same meaning.. but what God was meant was in example is to not add to scripture like example what the Mormons have done with the Joseph Smith texts. And there's the FM secret societies who added Egyptian gods and goddesses and their beliefs into the Bible. Or how the Catholic Church has removed one of the commandments and took another commandment and made it look like two.. plus they not only have made changes to the Bible but they encourage the church members to only listen to the church pastor and they never encourage. I'm just extremely sad 😢 to be attacked while I was just trying to share in love. 🙏🙏🙏
Imagine the world P52 experienced just to finally make it us to help us preserve the word of God. Faith like a Mustard seed, or a credit card size piece of the Gospel.
These methods were used to come up with the authoritative copies of Homer, Aristotle, and other ancient sources that are readily accepted in the scholarly community.
+david dyer (dkd83) very good point, David. The double standard of skeptics of the Bible is their Achilles heal.
@VideoAudioDisco09 whether you believe the truth or do not believe, the truth is still the truth.
@VideoAudioDisco09 the truth does not need demonstration to be true.
@VideoAudioDisco09 this is not true. Gravity hasn’t been discovered, yet we all agree it’s true. We can see the effects of gravity, we know its relationship to mass. But you can’t point to gravity. It’s ethereal.
@VideoAudioDisco09 you’re arguing my point for me. Gravity, at this point in time with our tools and technology and understanding is not knowable. We can predict how it acts, we can observe it in action, we can see the consequences of its existence but we cannot for certain say what it is.
13:10 the central authority is God himself the Bible is still whole and available because of God
Very insightful,thank you for your hard work and it's appreciated. I believe in God the Creator God because of what I've witnessed personally, The Living Word has stood True for a guide no matter the situation
Pastor Mike, Could you give us some information on how pagan romans and greeks, as well as first century jews viewed Christians? Maybe a web link or make it part of a future video?
Copying errors do not mean a story is not true. I read the 'Daily Mail' online newspaper here in London, England and it has copying errors every single week - but that doesn't mean the stories in the Daily Mail are not true.
Of course it doesn’t. It does mean that you can’t just blindly assume every word is perfect though.
The conclusion of the video was that the variants of new testament manuscripts are reconcilable not that the Bible was the word of God.
@@josephpostma1787 That's true but. .in the minds of Some people variants = untrue story. Glad to see you're not one of those people. .
I also think you should compare the number variants to the number of letters in the bible, instead of the number of words, considering that variants can be as insignificant as a letter or punctuation change. :)
I am amazed about the story of the P52. God is wonderful.
If we heald the evidence for Alexender the Great to the same standards that skeptics do about the bible, then I would be forced to believe that the story was actually four people merged into one after 1,000's of years of oral legends being told.
Well ya know seeing how the Dead Sea scrolls came along, many of those skeptic arguments fall apart. They’re dated to about 300BC , right around the time we had the full complete Old Testament. And both the Greek and Hebrew versions found line up perfectly with what we have today. A lot of non-canonical books were found as well, the book of Enoch was regularly quoted from by biblical writers. It was regularly studied back then. Just because a book isn’t in the Bible doesn’t make it unimportant.
Can you recommend books or theses to read so that I can show them to someone? :)
This is FABULOUS
I LOVE YOU PASTOR MIKE
I have a question I notice we just call the Bible the Bible. I remember when I was young it was called the Holy Bible
You know I think that's important.
What do you think ?
We don't call God Holy God, the holiness is implied in his being
Binge watching Winger. It's 2 29 am. Love to learn about the word.
Sounds familiar! It's 3:30am here right now...... D:
GOD has protected His Word!!
God bless you for your teaching . Please update on the number of manuscripts , variants etc in 2021. what about the paraphrased bibles[ message bible, NLT ] and other language bibles? Are they counted as variants ?
The current number of manuscripts is ~5,800 Greek manuscripts, ~10,000 Latin manuscripts and ~9,300 manuscripts in other languages. All of these 25,000+ manuscripts are from ~125 AD until the 15th century (when printing was invented in Germany).
Please note that a manuscript is a handwritten copy of the Bible, not a printed version. That's why we have no manuscripts from after the 15th century. Any Bible you hold in your hands today is not a manuscript.
By the way the word "manuscript" literally means "hand written" [from "manus" (Latin for "hand") and "scribere" (Latin for "(to) write"].
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Good video still.
Godbless All
This guy at my job said most of the New Testament is lies. He uses google to tell me but I stumped him just by using the Bible.
I read Misquoting Jesus about 10 years ago and remember being thoroughly underwhelmed by Ehrman's case
Do you have an examples about a "a meaning ful and viable variant"?
It's actually 400,000-500,000 variants, not counting spelling errors. However, no doctrines have been added or removed, in other words, no doctrine is actually affected.
Yes, even the Trinity is supported unconditionally by Matthew 28:19
Can we have a similar one about the ot
Which is right, Alexandria or majority text?
57:00 I believe there's a typo in the link. It should be CSNTM
hurray! I was the 300th person to like the video
When they die they are going to see Jesus and they are going to say I blown it just keep them in your prayers.
Has anyone published online the comment removed from Erhman’s book appendix? I would like to refer to a readable web post in my apologetics.
Can we know who copied what or where it was copied?
Thanks Mike for this presentation - God bless your efforts to fix our ignorance
By boy Mike topical with that minecraft reference he hip wit the kids hip wit the jive hip wit the bing bang boogie to the upchuck😎😎😎
What ever became of the first century 'mummy mask' Mark passage that was found in 2011?
The cough at 47:52 was so loud I jumped through the roof
Mike was speaking in 2016 - it is now known that there are lots of Koran's and I don't mean translations.
Last count I heard was about 37 different Arabic Koran's.
Yep and the earliest two manuscripts are different yet many muslims still will say it is perfectly preserved 🤷♀️
"unbelief bleeding on your scholarship" nice
Is the Legacy Standard Bible something that can be trusted?
If we found an early manuscript, how would we even know if it was the original or not??
Buddhism is literally a game of telephone