Has God Spoken? EVIDENCE FOR THE BIBLE pt1
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- Опубликовано: 16 апр 2016
- How could you prove that God has communicated to us? What would be a reasonable way to show that God has spoken? This video answers that question and deals with false prophecies in preparation for the next video in this series where we will begin to look at fulfilled prophecy in the Bible as proof that God has spoken.
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I'm so jealous of those who sit under the teaching of Mike in the flesh but I'm grateful for the gift of the Internet because these wonderful teachings can reach me all the way in Uganda!
@@mlokole254 Sometimes I wish my church preached on Sundays with the theological depth of a Mike Winger or a Chris Rosebrough. One reason I've considered, more than once, find one that at least comes close. Thoughts?
Mike winger, destroying unbelief one video at a time ^-^
@@RockinMatthias me too
For real
Yes, by one fallacy and baseless presupposition at a time.
@@j-joe-jeans I have not yet watched this video but did Mr. Mike try to prove something with a fallacy? If you don't remember when, I'll listen to it.
@@josephpostma1787
Yes, he often uses logical fallacies.
Anybody still checking out these videos?
For real this helped me today when I woke up and was overwhelmed with doubt! Thanks Mike! For staying faithful to walking worthy of the calling you've been given!
Yes :)
I am. Looking based on a conversation I had with a family member talking about contradictions in the Bible. I really enjoy Mike Winger.
yayyy, I’m mostly frustrated with Christians who don’t fully believe the bible or twist it to their beliefs. I have much peace with Mike Winger, and I never dealt with my anger towards unbelieving Christians so I’m trusting God will show me His grace that I might treat the truth as Mike Winger does: with thoroughness and patience.
I'm still vibing in 2022
Me 🙂
I personally like that your teachings are straight out of the bible and not out of your own convictions or opinions with any false rules or regulations. Thank you for the good news.
Amen!
A Christian stranger pointed me your way. I'm glad I came, your delivery is wonderful and cuts through mental distraction. Going to binge watch now. God bless
This made me smile, where you agnostic or atheist or other religion??
Thank you for your obedience. Although I believed in God, it was always by faith. I now understand the reason for the hope inside me. I am motivated to live a God centred life more than before. I now KNOW that God is 100% in control, as my knowledge of His Word increases.
Thank you. I really, really appreciate your work to help us Christians answer these questions to skeptics and more importanly for us personally to strenghten our faith. Your videos embolden me to approach evangelism with the confidence of a full quiver. Please keep up to amazing work. God bless.
Mike I just really want to say thank you for your faithfulness to the lord this is my third time through this series and I literally gave my live because by about the 10th video I was so thouroughly convinced that the implications made me break down i know it was Gods work but he used you as an instrument brother just know this series saved at least one life and that’s mine and that’s worth everything you’ve been through !
Congratulations 🎉
Praise God!
You gave your life..? You got saved or were you going to commit suicide and this stopped you? Sorry, I'm confused and want to know what you mean.
God bless you! I am so exited to meet you in heaven!!!!
@@jeyathagna4548 also still watching in 2024? XD
I really like the dedication to citations. The good old “here’s the answer, here’s where I found it, here’s where you can access it”
00:00 - Is there a God?
(Arguments for God's existence)
2:27 - Who is this God?
5:13 - How would he speak to us?
(Written message would be reliable and precise enough form of communication)
6:20 - What is the proof of a message being from God?
(The information should come outside of the mind of man - Prophecy)
23:14 - Other religions' attempts at prophecies:
- Mormonism
34:28 - Watch tower society / Jehovah's witnesses
44:22 - Those leaders are either delusional or liers
44:53 - Quran has no predictive prophecy
45:26 - Bible IS the message from God
45:53 - Intro to the series of Evidence for the Bible
I'm just here trying to strengthen my wavering faith. This clears out some doubt =)
What did he say that removed some doubt?
Im excited to watch this series I wake up every morning at 3am and I be like ok God tell me something give me some wisdom please and here it is I cant believe I even understand all this Hebrew Greek Gods word like im jus a throw away from Brooklyn NY n look at God teaching me I feel so blessed to truly know my Lord so glad He found me this series is already a blessing and I'm jus beginning thx for takin the time to do this I bid u Gods speed 🙏
I am so glad this is still here. I have been looking for prophesy that has come true I can tell my unbeliever family members when we get in thee God conversation and I seem to stumble.
Looking forward to this series!!
I'm in the same boat as you! Hope as is well
I've really enjoyed this series, I started in the middle, but now I'm watching from the beginning, great stuff!
dont waste your time.
@@statanhelier9685 that’s quite intellectually dishonest…
Me too. Fascinating stuff.
Don’t be rude and ignorant.
Great video Mike! I was particularly intrigued by the false prophecies of LDS and Watchtower.
Agreed. EX mormon...he's saying truth btw per exmormon.
I’m excited to watch this series. Ty Mike
Thank you Mike. I like these videos very much.
+Nathan Oosterhuis that's great to hear!
Thank you, Mike. We enjoy your depth and not-rushed care.
Really great series! I've learned a lot!
Thanks for this series, Mike! I’m excited to watch the subsequent videos!
This series is such a blessing. Strengthening faith for the believer and equipping them for apologetic ministry.
Such a blessing! The Holy Spirit knew what He was doing when he put fire in your heart to speak on why we can trust the Scripture as Gods word. It is under heavy attack now and I have seen so many fall away because of this
Fantastic start to a series that I am just starting in 2021.
Thanks for all your work on this series. God bless.
Thanks Mike! Your teaching has blessed me and my family greatly!
Thank you! Pastor Mike, God Bless you!
You blew my mind with your brief explanation of Jesus' "This generation" statement in Matthew 24.
That always confused me, because I interpreted it as the generation he was speaking to, not the generation who saw those signs.
I immediately stopped and read through Matthew 24 and it was so strangely obvious! Thank you!
Thank you! My first time watching this and I love everything you have to say pls keep up this channel!
Love your teaching!
I was sent here by Whaddo You Meme🤗. Great presentation.
Thank you and God bless
A+. You are a blessing my brother. Teaching was spot on.
Just wanted to thank you for this video series! I am currently witnessing to someone who does not believe the Bible to be truth! This is great stuff!
Ohh my! I just loled at Travis chanting. He's done that to me too!!
I would disagree that Prophecy is future telling, although, in our limited scope that is what happens. With God, Prophecy is not future telling but rather is truth. False Prophets do not speak truth. True Prophets speak truth. "Your WORD is TRUTH."
Hey... that is a great thought. It's future telling from our perspective which limited as beings within time. But what is it for God? That's a question worth pursuing.
@@essennagerry it is future telling Which is evidence for omniscience.
I'm so curious as to hear about some prophecies in the Bible that came true
God bless you Mike.
Loving this so far🙏🏻
God bless you Mike
thanks xexxar
Thank you so very much 😊🙏!
Great prayer brother
"The two shall, with the cup...potato"
I've watched through this series several times and this always makes me laugh.
Great video and series
@Mike Winger I Love this SERIES! I wish there were a more updated version for some of the audio issues in other videos! *Hint Hint *Wink Wink ;)
Hang tough Bro..they're gonna be haters especially when you speak the truth..God Bless you
There is only one truth, and that's we made up a nice book out of some nice story's. We humans are quite week and need explanation for everything, that book gave it. But come on Cheryl, we live in 2018, we now know there is no god and we have science to explain things in life.
Wake up man, there is total none none none proof of an existing of god. Why the hell you think thats the case? Why its just clear in history how the bible and other story has developed? Nothing to do with a god.... man man I really wonder how its possible people cant think rational.
Cloudy Water Why do you believe religion to be a fairy tale? Does religion making people happy make it false?
Cloudy Water Does it seeming ridiculous necessarily entail its falsehood? We live in an extraordinary world where many things seem unbelievable yet they are true. And do bad consequences of something mean it is false? Religion has done immense good for our society as well as bad. Modern science had its origin in the monotheistic idea that there was a single Creator that created the universe in a comprehensible way that we could understand. That’s only one way religion has positively impacted our culture, I could go on. And I’m not saying this means that theism is true, just that to say all that religion has done is evil is ignoring the other side of it all.
And I’m not denying that atheists can be good and happy people. I’m simply stating that just because it makes people happy does not mean it is the comfort blanket you make it out to be, though it certainly can be for some believers.
Cloudy Water I’ll take the compliment.
Everyone who criticizes, points out strange stuff, or says there are contradictions is a hater and all of their points should be disregarded.
I recently discovered you and I thoroughly enjoy your teaching. I’ve watched several of your full-length playlists including the ones about “women in ministry, Calvinism, and Catholicism.” I feel like you are spot on in your interpretations, except one small thing as I watched this video about prophecies…
You more or less said that if 100% of a persons “prophecies” didn’t come true than that person is definitely not a prophet because they made it up/lied. The day before watching this, in my own daily reading, I had come across the story of Jeroboam and the “man of God” that came from Judah (1 Kings 13:1 ESV). When that prophet left he said God instructed him, ”for so was it commanded me by the word of the Lord, saying, ‘You shall neither eat bread nor drink water nor return by the way that you came.”
(1 Kings 13:9 ESV). So he left but was pursued by an “old prophet”(1 Kings 13:11 ESV) on a donkey from Bethel. The old prophet intentionally lied to the “man of God”, saying: “And he said to him, “I also am a prophet as you are, and an angel spoke to me by the word of the Lord, saying, ‘Bring him back with you into your house that he may eat bread and drink water.’” But he lied to him.“
(1 Kings 13:18 ESV)
Then God sends a lion to kill the “man of God” for his disobedience .
This story is a straight forward case of a real prophet (according to the Bible) that has not had 100% success. Whether intentional or not, from an outsider perspective, this prophet had real prophecies and not real prophecies. The Bible never says that the old prophet was a false prophet.
I LOVE YOU PASTOR MIKE!!! ❤❤❤❤
Wow amazing!!!
So good. I'm starting again for my 2nd time.
Just finished the first video of the series: AND WE BEGIN! :) :) :) :)
The most telling exchange you can have with an atheist or agnostic is to ask the question: if it could be proven to you beyond a shadow of doubt that God exists and the Bible is his authentic word to us, would you follow him? If they're honest with themselves, they'll say no. Because at the end of the day it's a heart attitude to rebel against God, not an intellectual one.
All the same, great presentation. I may pass it on to a few people. :)
thank you
I really love this evidence
A Christian on Instagram told someone to watch you so I did instead! Bless you for everything
Hello Mike!
Thanks for the videos you're making to defend the Bible 😉.
I've a question,
do you know any book/s that does/do collect the most certain Bible prophecies and their historical fulfillment?
Thanks in advance.
Hugh Ross, an astrophysicist, explains the creation of the universe and our solar system and our planet and the physical steps that occured in creation, and are exactly the creation sequence of events written in Genesis. No one at the time Genesis was written had any scientific information, we have today, yet the exact sequence of events that scientists have proven today that occured are written in Genesis. To me this proves divine influence.
I didn't know Genesis mentioned the cosmic microwave background. What does it say about where all the anti-matter went?
@@michaelsommers2356 read his book. It’s called the creator an the cosmos. My atheist friends even said it was good
@@teacherthecat9132 No, thanks; I'll stick to real physics. I asked for the chapter and verse in Genesis where the CMB and anti-matter are mentioned. So far, no one has supplied an answer.
@@michaelsommers2356 ok, if you want to make baseless claims without actually reading the book then go ahead my friend
@@michaelsommers2356 also, since when is the Bible obligated to talk about antimatter? It’s not the point. It’s like wanting to buy a book about math to study for an exam but then being upset when there is nothing about biology in it. That’s not the point
Having trouble finding the series you referenced about fulfilling prophecy. Can you organize it into a playlist please?
Still watching this series in January 2023!
2:48 I would have a lot of questions, assuming we are talking about the Judeo-Christian god. The first one would probably be, “What was with all the God-created or God-ordained genocide in the Old Testament?”
This is so useful! Thanks so much for putting in all the hours to bring this to us!
Can you please make a website where we can find the written lessons that you have? Thank you!
like the series.....but..........where is the full playlist...all the different parts ?
Thank you for this useful series! Will there be follow-up? At the end of the video you mentioned topics that you didn't cover in these 20 videos.
Could you please do a video about the council of nesea
God wrought; christ brought; the holy spirit taught.
2:18 do you have some kind of statistical study that supports this claim?
Amen!
Winger is a real stand up minister that actively studies and utilizes a defense of various biblical truths. Still, I must say that having read Nostradamus years ago, some of his prophecies appear to have substance to them and considering the type of symbolism he was known to use with the ones that can be basically understood, he had warned of many things and had an interesting track record. So I think he was likely legit as one of the few more modern prophets. Don't let the door open too far, but it pays to have an open mind in certain areas.
"Except for thomas jefferson, he wad a nutjob" got me so hard haha
Mike W.,
Can you put all 20 videos into a playlist on your channel? These videos are buried in the middle of your channel; and most people will never see them without a separate listing as a Created Playlist.
I hope you will make them easier to find; they are worth watching.
"The two shall with the cup-POTATO" XD XD XD
Which episode has the scientific foreknowledge? I have made it through most of them and haven’t found it.
I’m curious also? I thank God for you and your team!
God
Is you you are God love is kindness kindness is what you are
Okay Mitchell, I watched it! 😊
Do you have DVDs on your prophesies/contradictions series by any chance? (Evidence for the Bible?)
@@cloudy772 I don't think you meant this for me. You must have hit "reply" under my comment by mistake. I suggest that you copy what you wrote to me so you don't have write it again from scratch, then paste it directly into the comment box. That should be visible to everyone. Right now, what you did was only visible to me.
Stephen Luckingham
Oh yeah I was feeling kind of pissed when I wrote that
I kinda just copy pasted it in a bunch of comments
Sorry
@@cloudy772 No need to apologize... I've screwed up with comment usage myself on occasion. Since you are hoping for a response, I didn't want you to miss it since your comment didn't make it to the general public.
I think one would say...that just reading these comments is, of itself....a study....
“Why should we turn to someone other than historians or scientists, the experts in their related fields of research, for answers related to history or science? Apologists are just there to take advantage of you, telling you what you want to hear when the evidence tells you otherwise. The sheer existence of apologists is reason alone to raise suspicion. Their dishonesty is blatant when you simply double check what they say. In the end, historians and scientists are not just one big conspiracy against Jesus, the Bible is simply wrong about most things.”
-Joseph R. Hanson
God could physically manifest and tell somebody to their face that the word is from Him. After all, he is all powerful and he did manifest in physical form at times in the Old Testament.
I was wondering if some one could point out the Bible passages that specify that if a prophet gets one prophecy wrong they are entirely false. I have been taking with Mormons, and would like to be able to point directly to scripture. I have seen Deuteronomy 18:20-22, where it states that a prophet who claims a prophecy from God and gets it wrong should be killed, but it doesn't state clearly that all of there other prophecies we're wrong. Or if that is what the passages is saying please help me to see that as well!
This guy is on my short list of very solid Christian apologists: Jacob Prasch, Roger Oakland, Dave Hunt (deceased), Mike Winger, Jan Markel, Carly Matrisciana (deceased), Johanna Michelson. A few have passed away, but there RUclips videos mean their ministry continues just as Mike's will long after he is gone!
Brother Andrew Look up Lee Strobel... he’s great too.
If anybody sees this Lee strobel made a great book and movie called Case for Christ about an atheist journalist trying to objectively investigate Jesus’ resurrection. Very good, I saw the movie and a testimony from a former atheist who said the book helped to convert him.
Remember the rich man and Lazarus in Jesus’s parable? The rich man died and opened his eyes in flames of torment. He saw Abraham across the divide (before Christ’s sacrifice men could not enter heaven) and asked that he could be sent back to warn his brothers. And Abraham said, they have the prophets. If they won’t believe the prophets they won’t believe, even if they were to see a man raised from the dead. Evidence is not the issue. It never has been. The issue is the heart of those who don’t want to submit themselves to God’s authority.
Can you get me that PDF you have about the Watchtower Society?
The basic requirement of being a false prophet would be making a NEW prophecy.
Jehovah's Witnesses do not make prophecies. They are a non-prophet organization, ha, ha.
At no point was it ever said, "I had a vision" or "God spoke to me" etc. such as Joseph Smith and Ellen White claimed.
Making such a claim and then it not happening would be evidence someone was not from God.
It is different simply trying to understand something complex, such as what Bible prophecy means and revising your expectations as more is understood.
I doubt Mike Winger believes he has a perfect understanding of what will happen in the future. In fact, I think the future will turn out much different than he imagines. However, even if he states such beliefs with confidence, I would not call him a false prophet if he was simply honestly trying to connect what was foretold by actual recognized prophets (such as Jesus, Daniel, John, etc.) with events in our future.
The Watchtower magazine does not claim to be inspired. Thus, it is fairly regular to have a revised understanding on matters. The old understanding is not hidden, but specified at the same time as the new understanding so the distinction is understood. This is the proper way to progress. Much worse is when an organization claims inspiration and then sticks to understandings despite contrary evidence. Papal infallibility is a claim to divine origin of teachings which then become hard to walk back. Adventists still constantly quote and publish books from Ellen White, despite her very much being a woman of her times. Witnesses very rarely mention sayings of Charles Russell and never as authoritative, even though he was right on many fundamental matters.
Jesus stressed many times to “keep on the watch.” I think most today are not alert at all to the coming of the Kingdom or the Great Tribulation. Better too alert than not alert enough! Having over eager but inaccurate expectations does not mean one doesn’t have the Truth. The Apostles were also over eager and wrong about when the Kingdom would come.
(Luke 19:11) they thought that the Kingdom of God was going to appear instantly
(Acts 1:6) So when they had assembled, they asked him: “Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?”
Should we dismiss the Apostles as false prophets for several times having wrong premature expectations of when the Kingdom would arrive?
The crucial thing is to "Keep on the watch" as Jesus directed. I think most who accept the Bible try to look for the signs given by Jesus and the prophets to be fulfilled. As long as one is only trying to understand these EXISTING prophecies and not claiming inspiration for NEW ones then why disparage someone, even if dates are considered (long ago)?
Here is an official explanation of why understandings are revised.
www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/jw-doctrine-changes/
Is there any possibility of you publishing the notes from this series, as well as JW's, Mormon, and Catholic series? I believe more pastors and teachers need to be sharing this material with their churches. I would be more than happy (as I believe many others would be), to compensate even for zip, or otherwise compressed files, send you a thumb or zip drive, pay for you to send one etc. Please let me know if this is possible.
@@cloudy772 I read your entire post and I used to be an atheist. It literally took me a greater evil to see a greater good. Please seek Jesus Christ and He will make Himself known to you, *"And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him." (Hebrews 11:6)* Read the New Testament and DO what it says because many people can be deceived, *"But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves." (James 1:22)* God bless!
@@wesleynunez3825
Sorry about that old post, I was a cringy teenager
I’m not going to push atheism on anyone unless they start spouting homophobic or racist views
I hope you can try not to push your religion on me
Thanks
@@cloudy772 Nothing you said bothered me. No need to apologize :) It reminded me of my former self actually. My suggestion is something I still hope and pray that you consider. I meant everything I said. *If you died where would your soul go?* The body is placed in a gasket and the people mourn, but is that really the end of life? I am telling you to reconsider your view, please. God bless you!
I'm hoping for your rebuttal against Digital Hamurabi's critique of your Part 2 video on Ezekiel's prophecy of Tyre, I would like to share your rebuttal with my grandson. Thank you, Mike
Jesus spoke to me a few months ago
hmmm....any particular reason for this conversation...
I object the question what does god want as an occultist because at the moment it looks as if god whatever it may be created the universe and left.
As an atheist I have to refute a few points here. I'll start with where I paused the video.
He said we would "believe in nothing". I think he's missing the point here, we often admit that we cannot empirically verify some fundamental things, like the existence of others or matter, it's impossible to verify that this existence is anything more than our imagination.
This does not mean we accept that position. It simply shows that we are being honest about what we can and can't demonstrate.
A great example of this is last-Thursday-ism. It shows that it is impossible to verify that the world didn't pop into existence, as is, memories and all, last Thursday. Anything presented could easily be dismissed with "that's simply part of the everything that popped into existence last thursday".
The best way to make an unchanging record is to write it down? Really? How about using his omnipotence to broadcast the information directly into everyone's brain so they all get the same message and there can be no misinterpretations. This would be far more efficient than only broadcasting to a few people and relying on the faults of humanity to spread the message through text that can be mistranslated, misinterpreted, etc. It would be unambiguous and take 0 effort when compared to the infinite capabilities that an omnipotent being would possess.
Most religions claim to have "genuine prophecies" and back them up with events.
Id likely accept prophecy if it said X will happen in Y years and be enacted by Z (groups/people/countries/etc). But vague prophecies with with no timeline or specific details can be made by anyone with 100% accuracy. Because given enough time and a common enough event being foretold its bound to happen eventually. I hope you have examples with such specifics not just vague references that could be interpreted to match a multitude of common events.
It's disappointing how you started saying true prophecies will be proof and then, just stopped short of supporting that (so far), and only showed other religions failed prophecies... That should have been another video titled something like "false prophecies that show other religions to be false" or call this video something like that.
@@How.To.Get.Saved. you ignored my point.
@@knightbeforedawn he responded to two of your comments, I'll quickly respond to your other two
So your first comment, seems to just be you saying that, humans can't logically determine things using reason, it's all just imagination, this just seems to be a mere statement of your rejection of any kind of logical thinking meaning anything, not anything logical to actually prove something
As for your 2nd comment which you made, I don't have anything to refute thst right now
2:51 "Who is this god=What does he want from me?", but out of the blue, at 2:56 he says "Because I'm accountable to him.". How so?
Because if there is a God then it means he created you he is your maker and.. Well, GOD. if you dont get it then you probably show little if any respect towards others especially authority figures.. Btw showing respect is way more mature, makes you look like 1000x a bettet person, shows that you are tough with a strong mind (disrespect usually means weak minded person)
In Matthew 24, I'm fairly certain Jesus was talking about that generation specifically. I'm open to having my mind changed on this, but I think the text makes it very clear that those things will happen in that generation. And they did.
If I'm understanding you right, you're saying a text needs to contain fulfilled prophecy in order for us to judge whether it was divinely inspired (e.g. this is why we can't evaluate the Koran). But what about all the books in the Bible that don't contain fulfilled prophecy? If I'm not mistaken, none of Paul's epistles contain prophecies that most Christians would claim have been fulfilled. So how do we know Paul's epistles are inspired and belong in the Bible?
The question is not if Christianity is true. The question is if God exist. If you knock out that out than there is no need of showing off and prove your existence of you already proved it.
Nothing would be more permanent than God just existing on Earth with us. The written word isn't permanent. God literally has nothing else to do but chill. He's all powerful/eternal/can do anything he wants without want. It's really a dorky argument so far that he doesn't just chill on Earth in some form at all times/forever. Christians need him to be gone to explain some of their lore. Wild argument.
I’m not a believer. But it’s not because I demand proof for every tiny detail of everything said. It’s because looking at the big picture, it makes way more sense to me that there are natural explanations for much of nature and how incredible complexity can emerge naturally. It makes more sense that religions are a natural product of human culture and are not based on anything real besides evolved human nature. It’s not that I like not believing or even choose it. I just don’t have the capacity for believing what sounds and feels like nonsense to me. And I suspect most people believe not out of rational thought but out of fear of mortality, or brainwashing from childhood ( which is why religions for the most respect geography. Many believe what you grow up with.
Just listen to the Richard carriers, Carl Sagans, chris hitchens etc for balance unless you want to just accept without critical thought. Morality sucks but I care about truth too much.
I meant mortality sucks.
You say you dont have the capacity of believing. Please pray to God for forgivness for not believing in him. You hate your creator in your heart. You know you hate him. You (including the whole world) deserve hell, eternal punishment from God. Turn to Jesus, he is the only one who can save you.
Bro I like your Shirt.
Ignorance and sin are the only reasons why someone would reject Bible as the inspired Word of God.
Nostradamus got a few right... so did Edgar Cayce. Nostradamus predicted the death of Henry II "The young lion will overcome the older one,
On the field of combat in a single battle;
He will pierce his eyes through a golden cage,
Two wounds made one, then he dies a cruel death." (Century 1, Quatrain 35)
"The year was 1559. Nostradamus' predictions were ignored by Henry II, and the latter took part in a jousting tournament against Comte de Montgomery (six years younger than Henry II). Both of them had shields which was embossed with the lion. During the final fight, Montgomery's lance, which he failed to lower at the right time, shattered. A piece of it went through the King's gilded visor (Golden cage), which resulted in two wounds, as per Nostradamus' predictions; one spliced his eye, while the other pierced his temple, just behind his eye. His brain was penetrated by both the splinters. For 10 days, the King underwent intolerable pain, and then died a cruel death. So, one of the great seer's predictions comes true".
I think they were aided by demonic entities in order to see the future or in Cayce's case to heal those who came to him. Nostradamus was cryptic to keep from being tried for heresy. But as you pointed out, neither of them had a 100 percent track record. Nostradamus was just above average in just guessing stuff. Cayce, however, was something else entirely. He could sleep on his text books and absorb the material. He was called the sleeping prophet because he would go under hypnosis and channel some entity that was able to diagnose illnesses no matter where the subject was in relation to Cayce. He was always right. They have an entire research institute where they archived all his readings.The only time he wasn't right was when he said Atlantis would have risen by now. Still not 100 percent. I would LOVE to know why a demonic entity would do so much good through Edgar Cayce, perhaps just to keep a Godly man separated from God through the divination? Would it be worth it to Satan to help all those folks in order to claim one soul? My bigger question is, what if Cayce didn't realize that the Bible forbade any kind of psychic dealings? Would he still be condemned to hell? Which leads to a bigger question.. if people are only responsible to worship the parts of God which they instinctively know exist and respect even if they never heard the gospel, would it not be better to leave them ignorant and therefore acceptable to enter heaven? I'm sure I have something mixed up. Help me unmix, please? lol
Have your read Israel Finkelstein's book The Bible Unearthed were this Israeli archaeologist argues that the Exodus and Conquest did not happen. It seems Evangelical scholar Peter Enns in The Bible Tells me So seems to support that view.
❤ The greatest evidence for The Bible is The Book on Mormon - Another Testament of Jesus Christ, and the witness from the Holy Ghost that both are true. Which witness I have received, as well as all those who have sincerely sought it. 😊
This is what the internet is supposed to be used for.
Skeptic here, so I like the fact that you are demanding a very high level of the effectiveness of prophecy before you accept that something is God's word: "if a prophecy by someone is not true then his prophecy does not come from God?"
Based on your assumptions, this was a gentle introduction which dealt with the low hanging fruit. The dates of JW and Mormon prophecies are quite specific and easy to date. Hence, they are easy to falsify. I'll be looking at a few things as I go through this series.
1. How do you date the prophecies and show/argue that the prophecy was later fulfilled?
2. How do you rule out self-fulfilling prophecy (e.g. as you said if someone made a "prophecy" about your life, you wouldn't do anything to make it become true, since this is a form of self-fulfilling prophecy)?
3. If all the prophecies of a prophet should be true, how do you/we know that you have addressed all his prophecies? (actually, I wouldn't be so strict on this point just a few clearly fulfilled prophecies would make an impact on me).
4. I hope you give some examples of what you mean by "fulfilled prophecy supports prophecy that has not been fullfilled yet".
I think I do address a lot of the issues you bring up in this series and I am looking forward to your thoughts.
There are reasons to strongly suspect the gospels were written in part to fulfill old prophesies for credibility. So you have to assume the gospels are true as evidence that they are true. Obvious circular reasoning
"false prophets, what they'll do if you say you don't believe them, they'll hand hand out threats" = not believing in deity without empirical evidence and that god threatening to send you to hell forever because we can't acknowledge his existence.
What empirical evidence do you use to test for a deity?