How the ISS Would Look if Russia Pulled Out | WSJ
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Amid tensions between Moscow and the West over the Ukraine war, the Russian space agency said the country would quit the International Space Station after 2024. WSJ breaks down the design of the spacecraft to see whether it could function without Russian parts.
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ISS was supposed to be retired and deorbited in 2015. It's components were built with a 10 year lifespan. It is now pushing passed that with some core components of the station hitting 20 years. And now its retirement has been pushed to 2030.
It is not just a political issue there is an engineering and safety issue.
Thank you.
Billions are invested in the station. The 1st rooskie official to review this decision said this was a crazy idea!
We have maintained buildings for hundreds of years and the B-52 has not only been maintained for 70 years but it's numerous safety flaws have now been addressed. At some point we have to learn how to maintain and improve space stations such as by replacing damaged solar panels, heat radiators and micrometeorite shielding blankets as well as clean out the bacteria and mold. We can't just assume our space stations are disposable forever.
Im an idiot but you could just keep maintaining the space station
I was about to say the same thing. The ISS is only a few years away from forced retirement. We should be spending money on a moon base instead of pouring more money into the ISS.
Ah yes, the international measure of a football field
@Russia has homeless & they send them to Frontlines Civilised world? Wdym by that.
an American football field or a proper football field
@@CmdrX3 Yes
If that's how the ISS would look if Russia pulled out, how would Earth look if NASA pulled out? ♥ Maybe, Earth would look like its described in the scriptures & those talked about in the Book of Enoch would be revealed?
Revelation 3:9 - Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie-behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet and they will learn that I have loved you.
Are you familiar with the Noahide Laws?
See the ones standing with all the U.S. Presidents who have advocated to the Noahide Laws?----look up the photos.
The Russians own 7 modules of the space station and the main module is the one that keeps the space station at it's altitude
Russia owns 6 modules as Zayra was paid for and is owned by NASA.
@@steveaustin2686Russia still owns it, Something about whoever launches it owning it, Wich is why the US owns EU, Japanese and some Russian Elements
@jesusramirezromo2037 No, the US paid for it and owns that module. Russia launching it doesn't change that.
1:52 “and that ALTITUDE control system...”
No, he didn’t say altitude. He said ATTITUDE control system, as in orientation, or which way the vehicle is pointing.
2:13 “the two Russian modules have engines and thrusters that maintain altitude”
No. Only the Zvezda module is used for that. The engines on the Zarya were permanently deactivated decades ago. If they were still active, and they fired those engines, you would damage or destroy everything behind it. Please improve your research, WSJ.
Journalism has became what they want you to believe rather than what is actually true.
@@YYLiow its so funny how WSJ fails to mention anything regarding SpaceX and even had the audacity to mention Northam gunthrop. This by itself, although weird given Elon's critical role in all of this, could at least be argued for. But what makes this worse is the WSJ loves writing about Elon, but just for the wrong reasons. US journalism is really down bad.
Also add that Zarya is still owned by Nasa. Nasa gave funds to Russian companies to build Zarya in the 90s.
Mainstream media doing lazy and misinformed reporting, I'm shocked, SHOCKED I SAY! Well not really
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US: 4:03 "we'll degrade their aerospace industry including their space program"
Russia : We pulling out of ISS
US : Oh no !! this is Russian blackmail
😅West is confused
Hardly think the US is confused or surprised
They just following Biden confusion
Underrated comment
???? without Russia, the USA will jump on a trampoline))) and draw cartoons in Hollywood how they conquer space))))
The ISS is a symbol of a better time when close co-operation between Russia and the US was possible.
Ironically USA sanctions Russia 's space industry meaning that the cooperation is over
When you're in space you're not from russia or usa, you're from earth
Have you been in space?
Then stop sanctioning space sectors
Politics is all about distribution and retribution. As scientists follow politicians, scientific instruments and institutions are secondary to political purposes.
@UCWgL1YNaGnTiS9RRSBRIq6w stop licking USA foot. Be bold and keep independent foreign policy. Everything will be fine
@@shamimkhan9026 Independency sounds tough, but it will make a country sink into poverty. Capitals must flow around to thrive.
Please add measurements in the metric system too for the international audience
They are still to learn it...
@@acidbot666 It's odd because all NASA construction and maintenance measurements are done with the Metric system. Also, it's 2022, and about time to include Metric measurements as well as the Imperial system as the best solution. I think it's helpful, especially in scientific matters.
@@R.U.1.2. i mean if you have the estimated 52 trillion dollars to do that, go right ahead.
Exactly. American arrogance irritates...
@@freddarau Showing a RUclips program does not cost 52 trillion dollars to add Metric graphics to the program, my friend.
Sadly the station is cracking apart from thermal expansion and cooling. She’s in her last decade regardless. The next station will likely be private, spaceX
Axiom space is already under construction of their private space station… they will use the ISS as a construction starting point until enough modules are attached for it to detach from the ISS to be its own space station
There will never be another next space station. Your will never live long to witness the next space station. Sorry dude the NEVER applied in this contest for the next two generations
@@giawou6615 nah spaceX re-ignited the desire to spread life beyond this planet, I’m sure they’ll build a station, a place where they can launch supplies to Mars from so different types of rockets can be used rather than ones that have to struggle through our atmosphere then get to their target
@@giawou6615 China have is own space station if a country that had 0 experience in space just build is own space station by herself I don't see why we couldn't do it
@@antoniolsls7774 Yeah, and the US is China's greatest motivator too. They got banned from ISS and desperately want to prove that they don't need US to conduct activities in space. Russia probably could make one in the near future too. Or just ask the Chinese to attach their module to their space station. There's also no doubt about US capabilities to build a space station themselves. It's just sad that politics breaks countries cooperation even in space.
Everyone has said they will leave the ISS sometime after 2024. The USA has been more precise they plan 2030 presently. But no one has said they will leave it.
USA needs to come up with it's own space station, required if they have the technology to achieve that. Cutting down on that trillion dollars war budget may be a helpful first but major step.
@@thecomment9489 nah, they should take a piece out of various things, it's not hard to improve on .2% and the US is at a point where it needs to stay powerful.
Attitude control, not altitude. Attitude control is the process of controlling the orientation of an aerospace vehicle with respect to an inertial frame of reference or another entity such as the celestial sphere, certain fields, and nearby objects, etc.
the space station is slowing down and descending when moving through the low earth orbit. so in order words its also used as an altitude control through the thin atmosphere cuz earth's gravity would still act upon objects travelling in low earth orbit region
@@StickMan_Clara thank you for the clarification!
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@@StickMan_Clara earth’s gravity applies to the space station regardless of its altitude. also the ISS technically speeds up as it loses altitude because of a phenomena known as the drag paradox.
Attitude is the right term. Altitude is specific and ambiguous.
Russians sends modules to There friend Chinas space station
No more ISS just China & Russia in space 🇨🇳 🇷🇺
They have been working on their own independent space station. They also had the first space station in space called the MIR Orbital laboratory, before the ISS was built.
@@MuantanamoMobile when was spacelab?
I there any way to watch the full interview with Leroy Chiao without B roll and other stuff cutting in.
He said “attitude” control system not “altitude” control system. Words mean things. Get it right WSJ.
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@@playlistaccount2840 lol
@@playlistaccount2840 Validation? Try accuracy. When information is presented as fact in an educational video, it's important that the information is actually correct.
@@Proteus846 Pedant and lucid, make your own videos and develop a personality.
Attitude is maintaining orientation to a frame of reference. It was correct in this case
The US sanctioned the Russian aerospace program. Do you really expect that Russian space leadership will want to remain on the ISS?
The US sanctioned China too
Whenever I hear football field comparisons, I feel like the speaker thinks I’m a degenerate lol.
Nah, The speaker assumes you can do whatever conversation you require in your head. real time. Since it's not the first time you've heard it , you should already know how many meters that is since an NFL field is alway the exact same size. (unlike a FIFA field)
well you are right. the video is aimed at american viewers.
Skylab was supposed to fly well into the 90s and would probably still been part of the ISS. As usual NASA ran late with the shuttle. They were depending on that to boost Skylab up.
Really sad =/ Hope politicals can resolve conflicts for better future regular people in worldwide.
Its not just the US and russia segments theres Japanese, Canadian and European segments that you claim are US in the video...
Well that's pretty much the same thing. All vassal states assets count as American assets.
wait wait,, who poked who?
Russian modules could join the new Chinese station.
*there would be No Vodka in the vending machine on the ISS and they would have to pull Putin & fries from the ISS cafeteria* 😅🤣😂
Tiangong is fresh an new !!
This is one of many reason why America and Russia should be at least neutral partners not enemies.
Russia is not our enemy. Can we be friends again
Russia was a USA Ally for both World Wars. Russians killed more Nazis than all other nations COMBINED.
I've watched footage of the hatch opening when a new Crew boards the ISS. I despise it when my fellow Americans sort of ignore the Russians greeting them and make such a fuss over other Americans. I like Russians. They build products that last, they were our Allies for both World Wars. Apparently the Cold War was a lie after we sent jobs to China...
It was much better when Russia's man was in the White house.
@@prodigy44 Well, West always considered Russia as an enemy. So, yeah, it's never gonna happen.
The ISS is getting old as it is. Quite a bit of effort goes into bandaging over aging infrastructure. Even if we replace the Russian modules that won't address other problems. The ISS is a lot more complex than it needed to be because at the time they were still trying to prove that the space shuttles hadn't been a huge mistake. We could have a much simpler but huge space station during the 80's if we hadn't abandoned the Saturn V and Skylab technology. The Russians did have a station at the time simply by docking three smaller ones launched on conventional rockets together.
Agreed the space shuttle and ISS was a mistake
The real question is, what will happen if Canada pulls its Canada arms 1&2....
3:24 i thought that was Putin 💀
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Everybody: we will manage without russia.
Russia with a smug face: you sure ?
China:Hold my beer
it was supposed to be down by 2015, we should replace it for safety concerns
I thought Zarya was owned by the US but built by the Russians.
One important note - the U.S. technically owns Zarya. We paid for it, and Boeing contracted the work to the Russians. Yes, it’s a ‘Russian’ module in the sense that they built and launched it, but the U.S. paid for it almost in its entirety, so I’m willing to bet that even if the Russians could hypothetically detach their section and leave (they can’t b/c they’re dependent upon the U.S. section for power and orientation), they won’t be allowed to take Zarya that easily.
Do you think they will ask for permission from USA? ;)
Kind of silly for the US to invest so much time and money and not have control of the lifeline of the system…. and to have not worked on a backup system over the course of.. 25 years?
@@HiThisIsMine us did not had the technology while russians had because of their mir space station.
While russia did not had the fund due to the collapse of ussr.
@@HiThisIsMine it was cheaper this way
@@theepashmani6474 You are right. It's truth.
Russia’s not going anywhere. Sometime when you have a friend who is acting crazy you do your best to protect yourself and every person you can and wait for them to come back around while refusing to let not be friends.
Russia considered years ago to leave ISS. ISS doesn't fit their plans and it uses more resources to repair the segments instead of doing the scientific research.
Without Dracula
So, Buying it is out the question⁉️
Where is Tony Stark.
Much better than when it was.
Russian space station will joint China's space station.
Regardless of how you look at it.. this marks the end of space exploration between the two biggest nuclear powers, not good indeed.
And after decades of the US ignoring China, they now are taking the lead.
One nuclear power.
The US is going back to the moon.
No Peace in space or on Earth.
Nice cover.
My dad pulled out, and I am still here. 🤷🏻♂️
he was drunk he came into a different hole.
Why did they put in, if now pull out?
The script writers had this backup story prepared years ago.
yes given that they were trying to provoke war in eastern europe all along
Isn't the ISS retiring anyways?
Well, after the Russians leave it will go into uncontrolable reentry...
So, yes, it is retiring in 2024.
The Russians are very patient, I would have taken all my belongings and left already!
Better then it was before.
USSR built Mir Space Station while under sanctions. What makes them think Russia has no capability to do it again?
If Russia and USA were collaborating in technology, then we would be living in the future.
I come in peace ✌️
We really need to be working together
You may feel this is pedantic, but you kept saying that Russia owns the Zarya module. They don't. The Zarya module is owned by the United States. It was built in Russia and by Russians, but it was paid for by the United States. It's like saying My F250 truck is owned by Ford Corporation. They may have built my truck, but I own that truck.
They still use system control from the ground in Moscow or Baikanour, and the US can't replace parts from those stations with already existing parts.
This aged like dry age wine
the narrator has a monotone voice. Is it a synthetic voice?
Much better
А где переводчик
Well now they won't be able to sabatoge it anymore
Let them leave...
We as humanity are only looking back 😢 not going forward 😅
There should be a new ISS where Russia is not involved at all
has nasa not just thought about buying the russian module after 2024
The Printing press get's a brand new control system and a motor.
@@johnmcentegart8537 what?
@@milk_chemistry The U.S. Government are stepping on the European Union by shutting down reliable Russian energy supplies. The U.S. Government are interfering with European commercial projects. The NSA and the CIA are keeping a very close eye on Ericsson's operations in the U.S. and around the World. This is a tragedy for Eurasian/European telecom equipment manufacturers like Ericsson and Nokia and Huawei. The main reason why the U.S. want Finland and Sweden into NATO is to control their existing massive market share. This industry is overrun by American spooks and Israelis playin both sides of the transatlantic fence, the U.S are playing the European Union in a big way, suppressing business activity and dominating the narrative while leaning on Europeans to provide this technology. Ericsson sued the Swedish government concerning the U.S. approach to shutting Huawei out of the 5G European telecommunications market. The U.S. is fighting a technology war with China using their E.U vassal states. Von der Layen and Borrel are destroying the E.U. from within for the American tyrants. The Americans are all freedom and loving fools, however when it comes down to the wire, the U.S. is the most secretive and dangerous country in the World.
@@milk_chemistry print more $ inflation?
@@dmoore5120 bruh you all talk about printers
the push towards autonomy in the digital technology and space exploration among the US, China, Russia and EU.
my question is why is the US still working with russia in the ISS, while other countries are forced to cut all ties with rusia,
Good vídeo nice sharing
Why not build the wheel space station where people can be safe. They can have another work space station for their experiments.
???? without Russia, the USA will jump on a trampoline))) and draw cartoons in Hollywood how they conquer space))))
without Russia, ISS is like a human without hand & brain.
It's time to evolve the space station.
Time to got to Mars
Theres like four major things wrong with this article.
I just learned that earth atmosphere reach around 10000 km to space... okey...
It just gets thinner and thinner the higher you go. At the altitude of the ISS, it is basically a vacuum, but there is enough tenuous atmosphere left to cause drag on the ISS, bringing it down. Which is why they boost it a few times a year.
Pilots are REQUIRED to use supplemental oxygen starting at 12,500 feet and above. That's a bit more than 2 miles high.
It's something else to always keep in mind.
That is not true. Before russian space station connect there . The ISS was able to manage there
They have been treated quite badly by the west over the conflict in Ukraine, which wasn't reciprocated when Iraq was invaded in 2003. Russia will quite rightly will pull out its equipment and expertise by 2024, and probably join up with China, Iran and the other BRICS nations.
Okay Russian troll whatever you say...
they operate the most important part lol
Russia can simply hop over to the Chinese station. They don't need the ISS
Send it into moon orbit.
of course it would take years if NASA designed and build the replacement segment. If SpaceX did it it will be up next year
It's all the action of one person
Thre U.S can't get their astronauts into space without Russia.
LOL, sorry Russian troll, that hasn't been true for years.
@@steveaustin2686 Wednesday September 21, 2022, Nasa’s Frank Rubio and Russia’s Sergey Prokopyev and Dmitri Petelin made up the crew that launched from the Russia-leased Baikonur cosmodrome at 13.54 GMT. 🤡
It's look like lost one toilet.
RUSSIAN STATUSPACE STATION VISITOR 2007. 35 SQUARE METER-50 LONG METER
"Complicate" ... Be honest: you can put an end to your space. Without us, you can only Ripplly's exploits in the fight against aliens filming in Hollywood or landing on the moon ...)
The same as you. You cannot do without the West money, equipment and technology ;)
@@kestutisi Time will tell. And yet the United States will not be up to space, the United States will be busy devouring stupid and ridiculous Europe ....
Pulling out of the station would have disastrous consequences.
The consequences the US had them coming
I would assume the structure would look relatively the same (at least from Earth).
Sarcastic
This a science topic, please use metric system!
What da f is a mile ??
roughly 8/5 of a kilometer
What if the US amd/or ESA buys the Russian segment?
That's probably what will happen in the future.
no big deal, superpower is always superpower, see
I proclaim that the russian module holds a referendum to separate from the -USSR 2.0- russian space program 😏
Seems we’re going in the wrong direction
It is the right one: DOWN!
@@acidbot666 🤣😂😂🤣😂
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once russia leaves, usa has to abandon the space station altogether. thats it, usa and others are not going to have that critical two components ready on time.
Don’t worry they can always ask the Chinese to build one coaster and at cheaper price
@@kaboomwinn4026 they have their own space station
That's what happens when you poke the Russian bear. You lose.
Why not just buy the part from Russia?
The Russian components are entirely worthless away from the ISS, right? So pulling out would be a matter of selling off assets, not physical removal.
Good thinking!
No, they are basically saying. If I can’t have it, no one will. So they will decouple it making everything worthless
When push comes to shove, Russians will accept a generous offer by the American govt to acquire the parts that are actually russian-owned. That might raise some eyebrows as the money could be used to fuel the Ukraine war. But it would resolve a nagging problem. But I think ultimately NASA will go with the Dragon propulsion mod option.SpaceX can get this done well within the deadline of 2024, and furthermore I can imagine they'd keep it a secret for now.
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 I agree with your first part. The problem with the second part is that its more than just a capsule. Its the life-sustaining module of the whole ISS.
@@ryantetreault3447 - that’s a negative though,
first, the Russian Orbital Segment is practically bolted on permanently… decoupling it would require a bunch of spacewalks and tons more internal work, and that alone is not feasible…
second, and most importantly, the Russian segment depends on the US segment for critical electrical power via the solar array wings on the truss segments… sure, 3 of the 6 modules have their own solar panels, but they are largely degraded already and cannot supply electricity to the entire segment… decoupling the entire Russian segment will render it useless and unfit for continued Cosmonaut staffing… and that will mean basically a stop to all current Russian human spaceflight programs…
if they’re gonna go and build a new station, good luck to them because, pre-sanctions, they are so cash strapped that the delays they faced launching just one module will make any delays on the US and International partners’ side look like a quick break…
by the way, the first ISS module that the Russians built (Zarya)? its actually owned by NASA… they had to pour in funds to Roscosmos just to get it launched back in 1998…
so in short, the Russian segment will stay put on the ISS… they basically have no choice at the moment…
P.S. another indication of the continued commitment of the Russians is that they went ahead with a crew ferry exchange program with NASA, which sees Russian Cosmonauts flying on Crew Dragon to the ISS and NASA/Int’l partner Astronauts flying on Soyuz… the next Crew Dragon flight to the ISS for crew rotation already has a Russian Cosmonaut as part of the crew, and they are launching next month
fortunately there is the Chinese Tiangong station available to join except the US.
Trying to imagine the ISS having its Russian module replaced with a station variant of StarShip, those big empty fuel tanks could be used for a LED powered green house like those warehouse farm, it might be able to take care of food and life support with enough room for avoidance thruster system.
without Russia, the United States will only fly to a neighboring tavern)))
The modules are probably cold welded together after so many decades in space.
Starship I thought had equivalent volume to space station. Park one in orbit.
@@domgia9248 I'd doesn't work like that. You actually need to move it into orbit, and most of that volume is booster rockets fied with fuel used to get it Into orbit. Also, the actually payload of starship is tiny. It took many countries years to build the iss and musk will never be able to replicate such a feat even if he pretend he could. We see it now with Artemis and starship. Musk says that Artemis is outdated because it doesn't have reusable boosters. But Artemis is actually going to bring people back to the moon. Starship does nothing.
It would not be possible to carry those fuel tanks into space they should break off and go down to earth before getting even close to orbit otherwise orbit would be impossible.
While the Zarya (FGB) module is part of the Russian segment, and was made in Russia, it is property of the US Government. It would stay behind with the American segment. It has attitude control engines, long dormant. If these could be revived, it's possible the ISS could go on. It would lose Zvezda's life support capacity, but would not have to support 2 cosmonauts, either. Other life support elements could continue functioning of a smaller crew.
lol
In this case, expect a bonus in the form of a new hypersonic "Avangard system"; it will quickly knock down all the trash along with "US property" Smelly cowboys confused Great Russia with defenseless Papuans ...
@@user-ld9hx7eh8b Perhaps you should only post BEFORE you shoot your Krokadyl. You grow incoherent after.
@@michaelf7093 There are no crocodiles in Russia. Instead of crocodiles, we hang Anglo-Saxons on trees in Donetsk, and cheerful Russian children throw stones at them...
@@user-ld9hx7eh8b You make it, and shoot it into yourselves, where it eats you.
Russia is doomed. You have almost no children, and those with any drive or education tries to leave as soon as they can. The only people there that are improving are Tatars. And Russia knows its place with them. V yarme.
Name changes to freedom station the original name for the station was gonna be the freedom station but it was Change to the international space stationThere is a bit of history for you
Not mentioned in the story is that NASA paid the Russian space agency for their modules and for.servicing them. I could see the Russias trying to get more payments from NASA for " renting'those modules. And NASA did start building alternatives to the Russian modules in case that the modules failed Or didn't make orbit. They used to show the stored backups on the cape tour.
The US owns the Zarya module. They can't take it with them. Its also past end of life. The Russian contribution has fallen far short of expectations.
More so than that, I'd argue any expectations have fallen far short of common sense to begin with.
Russians won't ask for permission. They just take what is their
@@khrapov I don't' care either way. Its a really old module that is almost completely shutdown and just used for storage.
@@khrapov - okay Putin.. it’s great to see you trolling the message threads promoting your pro-Russia views. We get it.. you love communism.. and don’t want anything to do with America. Maybe hang out in the Russian copy of RUclips instead, “RuTube”… and spend your ever failing Rubles on buying the Russian copy of McDonald’s, “MyBurger” and sip of your Russian copy of Starbucks, “Stars Coffee”… then you can wait as Russia attempts to make a copy of the US owned ISS, maybe they’ll call it the RUSS instead… assuming they can ever even make it happen.
Wouldn’t put it like that. Despite their current geopolitical issues the Russians not only created the first space station but the current ISS is built on a Russian skeleton. Difficult to not give them a nod for this
I rea hopw the russian astronaut will ignore the order!
There is a big difference between pull out and kick out. Stop the lies.