Why Pile Shuffling Should Be BANNED In The Pokemon TCG - Rant
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- I haven't been a fan of pile shuffling for a long time and this video I go over some of the reasons why and if you are going to pile shuffle what are some of the best practices
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I know I come off a little hash in the video y’all but it’s really not that serious
My main point to get across is that all pile counting does is waste time and doesn’t actually accomplish what a lot of people think it does
I do it before each game. I get crazy anxiety that I lost a card or my count is wrong BUT I properly shuffle the whole deck 10-15 times with a mix of mash and riffle.
I’ll also add it’s a good way to inspect sleeve condition
nah the opinion is a w. flame the shuffling!!
Slow playing is that serious, pile shuffling after game 1 or 2 should be DQ and life-time ban. You're allowed to do 1 pile shuffle before each game in magic but you can't rely on that to randomise, you have to also mash or riffle. There's much less time pressure to finish 3 games in a round in magic though, at least for most decks in most formats.
Yeaa I pile shuffle but not separate piles 😅😅 I shuffle the WHOLE deck whoever does that sperate pile thing is weird .I'm not that good at shuffling cards but not that cringe pile stuff.i actually need to start counting my deck at the end of rounds ,good advice
If you play decks like garde, where partially 9 10 energy stick together you just gotta pileshuffe.
Or get 3 mulligans and cry over bricks, afterwards
If you wanna get something to waste less time, lets introduce to look up your prize cards at the begin of the game..
Cycling trough your deck 25 times, and writing down each 6cards takes 5 minutes in every streamed game
The optimal solution is to pile shuffle into 60 piles
HAHAHAHAHAH
Problem solved!
Genius, this person gets it 😆
reversing the order of the deck vs iono 😍
In Japan, a pile shuffle is a basic etiquette before game in Pokémon TCG to present your kindness to your opponent, so in all matches in international, players will do a pile shuffle before gaming although it take a bit time
For international play, that does make sense. However, at non-international events there are time constraints based not on match-time but the event overall. Considering that this is one of many minor nuances that factor into long and intense event planning & scheduling (including technical difficulty, staffing variables, scoring for overall players, and the list goes on). Really do enjoy that you highlighted this act of sportsmanship since most new TCG players learn very differently from anywhere. 😄
Thats Japan, this is "Murica" Land of the fyuck you all about me mentality especially the trust fund players lol
That’s actually super interesting!
1:30 “We’re not talking about THIS or THIS we’re talking about THIIIIISSS” energy and I love it
This is a good take, especially in card games like Pokémon and MTG that have some kind of resource system like energy and mana.
I also do the 20-20-20 counting strategy before and after a match. It takes like 15 seconds, and gives you plenty of time to do the 7 mash/riffle shuffles afterwards.
I have never seen someone shuffle together two piles of a pile shuffle, but I agree that it is super tilting.
Occasionally when I do pile I do half and half sometimes, just because I struggle quite a bit with riffling a full deck of 60. (at least putting them back together). but even then it's not my main method of randomising
@@jammjar8838 feel ya, and even trough I can riffle, is not something I want to do always to not damage the cards, so I kinda made another way to riffle that is easier and also don't hurt your cards (still not sure if it would be allowed in tournaments)
Basicly divide into 2 piles (and hold them) like normal riffle, but than you quickly slide your fingers to put cards in the middle just like how rifle makes a single pile, but manualy (left right left right) and once that is finished, take the top of the deck, shove into the middle, and than the bottom and put it into the middle aswell for more random, isnt fast as a riffle but hey its faster than doing a pile shuffle :P
Pile Shuffling is a great way of making sure cards dont stick together in the deck, which does happen when you factor in moisture in the air and sweaty hands. As long as you shuffle 7 times after the pile, I see no problem with this. Just call a judge if you think your opponent didnt shuffle enough.
Making sure cards don't "stick together" isn't proper randomization.
put youre still mash shuffling after you pile so it doesnt make any sense to do it
or just wash your hands
Thats not true lol when you put the deck back together its back to square 1
Why is pile shuffling the solution to wet or dirty sleeves?
Pile shuffling isn't outright banned in Magic, you're allowed to pile shuffle once per match for the specific purpose of counting your cards.
But yeah, piling does not randomise properly, could realistically be used to stack but more importantly is a massive time waste.
Thanks for the clarification on that I looked it up afterward and pile counting isn’t an allowed form of randomization in Magic
Such Anger... but yeah, I do the 6 piles thingie, THEN I sum them up in zigzag (otherwhise you are just puting them in order again. THEN I start shuffling.
I feel best about total randomization with this sequence: six 10-card piles then picked up staggered, mash shuffle a bunch, riffle shuffle a bunch, small cuts, pass to opponent.
Reading some of these comments is kinda cringe. The number of people who seem to (based on their comments) think that when the rules say the deck needs to be random it means evenly distributed but that's not how it works a random deck could have all 12 energy clumped together it's random that's the point. If you know the order of the deck before the piles you know it after that's not random that's just reordered so after you waste all that time you still need to do 7-8 mash/riffle shuffles to properly randomize the deck so all you achieve when pile shuffling is burning the round timer. Just quickly count your deck at the start of a round if you're worried you lost a card.
The way to pile shuffle is odd number piles, if your deck is even numbered, and then riffle 3 to 7 times. This gets clumped cards apart then sufficiently randomized. It's more important in a game like Magic to unclump cards that tend to be played in piles on the battlefield, read lands.
Pokemon too as well with energies and evolution lines (depending on the deck obviously)
When I see ppl shuffle poorly I shuffle their deck for them instead of cutting since it’s technically allowed
Hey if someone wants to shuffle for me I'm more than happy, it's my least favorite part of the game lol
It makes sense in mtg if you're playing a second game, I've noticed often a regular shuffle is never perfect, and a lot of times people get mana flooded.
A pile shuffle allows you diverse your mana and cards you previously had together
I can’t riffle shuffle like that. What is wrong with me 😢
Pretty sure you are allowed to shuffle your opponents deck right? I've seen that happen on stream on the big events.
Yea and since you shuffle your opponents deck. They are allowed a Final Cut if they want
What I like to do if my deck is organized(like in order of cards just to look at my deck list), I put them in 4-6 piles, then riffle the remaining pieces randomly(like pile A-C, pile E-B, pile D-F), then riffle them together and start mashing/riffle shuffling until I feel it’s randomized, then cut. I do both because the last time I tried just riffling/mashing was a YGO game where I swear I shuffle like 15 times and still ended up with 3 allure of darkness and 2 ash blossom 💀.
I usually do 5 stacks of 12 since after a game the deck is pretty clumped after a game but then I pick the whole deck up to do a regular shuffle. I thought you were saying "don't pile shuffle ever" and I was thinking "He can't be serious right? One of the best players currently saying this? Really?" Then I watched and was like "oh okay yeah that's annoying"
I don't like this video/rant, because it doesn't convey the message for people who don't understand why pile shuffling is bad. You can't get people to understand if you call them stupid. This will just offend them.
First of all what I will not explain, why 7 mash or riffle shuffles are the proper way to randomise your deck. There are enough videos which explain this. I myself usually do 9 to 10 with a 60 card deck because my technique is sometimes a bit sloppy. I also dislike riffle shuffling especially my opponents card because it has a potential to damage the cards and there is a way with mashing which doesn't do that.
So I will try to explain what Azul tried to say. This video contains 2 major points.
1) Pile shuffling and shuffling smaller piles is not a proper way to randomize your deck.
2) Because this process is very time consuming, but doesn't achieve anything for tournament game play it should be banned.
So what do you achieve when you pile shuffle? The only reason you should ever consider pile shuffling is to count your deck. It is a way to make sure that you have the right amount without active counting. This is especially comfortable when you're nervous because it's your first big tournement etc. and you might make a mistake by counting yourself.
But you have to be aware of is that pile shuffling is also a form of sorting your deck.
Why is this a problem when you don't know the exact order of cards?
The answer to this is probability.
In my years as a TCG player I see a lot of people to have a problem to understand full randomness. The rules state that at the beginning of a game the deck has to be fully randomized but what does that mean? A fully randomized deck means that you can't locate a card's specific position and a cards relative position in the deck. I think the first part is clear and these are usually too obvious ways to cheat.
The important part is the meaning of the second part and I think examples will show it the best way for people who are struggling to understand this concept.
Another commenter wrote that they liked to pile shuffle after they had a long game with their Blacephalon deck. The reason of course is that their discard pile has clusters of fire energies and they might draw a dead hand with almost just energy cards. So when they pile shuffle these clusters will break up into the piles and that itself is cheating. The reason is they changed the probability in their favor to not draw a dead hand. They don't know how many fire energies they are drawing or which prize card is a fire energy but they know that they will mostlikely have 1 or more cards between their fire energy cards so they know the relative position of the fire energies to the other energies within the deck. And if they don't fully randomize the deck after this pile shuffle they gained an advantage against their opponent.
And to be clear. Fully randomization doesn't mean that you dead draw all the time. It just means that you can't predict what you will draw.
And always think about your opponent's perspective. They can't know for sure that you prepared your deck that after a pile shuffle it is in an order that you orchestrated yourself.
That is why pile shuffling is always suspect in a tournament setting.
So why is shuffling smaller piles into the big one a problem?
The answer is that you can still manipulate the relative position. Of course if you do the following with intention, it is blatent cheating. But even if not you can gain yourself an unfair advantage against your opponent. In this example we look at the way Azul shuffled the piles into one. he took one pile at a time and shuffled it with the stack he had before and mashed/riffled for 1 or 2 times. So let's say there is a tech card for the matchup which would be devastating to be prized. If you use this method and you have this crucial card in your last pile that you are adding to the other stack on top of it and then you riffle 2 or maybe 3 times. it is very likely to be in the top half of your deck. Now you present the deck to your opponent and they cut the deck. Suddenly it is more likely that the card is on the bottom half of your deck and far away from the six slots that will be your prize cards.
These cheats are hard to track and they are all enabled by pile shuffling plus insufficient randomization afterwards. Even if you have no intention of cheating the rules make it your responsibility to fully randomize your deck and your opponent has every right to enforce this to ensure that you play in a fair game.
With 1) established I think 2) is quite obvious. When you pile shuffle you still need to fully randomize your deck so the pile shuffle is as stated above only a way for you to count your deck. But this is not your opponents problem. You both have a right to fully use the timer of the round to play the game. So if the round is about to start you shouldn't waste time with doing something that should've been done before going to the table.
Does this mean you should never pile shuffle?
No, but don't do it directly before or during a match. As I said it is a sure way to prevent miscounting, but do it in a way your opponent doesn't gets suspicious of you and you don't waste time with it. For example at the start of the tournement: Do a pile shuffle before round 1 and put your deck in your deckbox. Then you just need to make sure at the table that your deckbox is empty. After a match pile shuffle and put the deck in the deckbox and open it just at the table of the next round. Easy.
Do I think Pile Shuffling should be banned?
I agree with Azul. There is no reason to pile shuffle before or between games. The games where I understand that you want to count your Deck between games are games with more then one deck, with side boards and with effects or mechanics in the game where your cards can be on the opponent's field (YuGiOh is a prime example of this). Pokemon does not have any of this so it should not be necessary to count the deck between games.
I never do the shuffle two of the piles thing. That’s crazy lol But I do a 6 pile shuffle either at the beginning of my next match or after the match I just played. I’m not great at shuffling normally and cards don’t get fully mixed in for me unless I do that. Like after playing a game with Mew VMAX, most of my Mew and Genesect are together and I pile shuffle to try and mix them up the best. Not in between games during a match.
I think that’s part of the problem. If your intention is to spread specific cards evenly through the deck, it’s not random and defeats the point of shuffling.
@Bc302 I don't agree. If you spread them out with the pile them mix them back up 7 times or so like he talks about in the video the chances are just as high of them mixing close or far. The pile is just there to give an easier starting point. In fact I would argue that after a game where most pokemon and energies are together you would have to shuffle more than 7 times to truly unclump those groups.
@@brianp6859the results of a truly random shuffle cannot be influenced by the initial state of the cards. If your intention is to declump, and you are able to successfully declump, you have effectively influenced your shuffle and your shuffle is not random.
As long as people know a pile shuffle is not a randomization I’m happy. It makes me unreasonably mad when people think it’s randomization, but even more so when people think it’s a way of “mana weaving”. It’s literally just a waste of time to count your cards, no more, no less.
Only time I pile shuffle is when I first put a deck together so that I can split the cards up. But I don't shuffle each pile. I do two rows of four, then I pick up top bottom, repeat. Then mash shuffle them all 7-8 times.
My daughter has issues shuffling cards, I have her pile quickly and then riffle or mash the best she can but I never have her shuffle the small piles separately, I always push for her to form two stacks and start to shuffle, riffle or mash quickly
1 pile shuffle at the start of a match is also great to check for damaged sleeves since I shuffle like an animal
We definitely need a mathematician on this topic
Yes, this would be hugely informative
Can you do the 20-20-20 pile shuffle to make sure your opponent has 60??
I don't think I've ever seen someone pile shuffle and then only riffle parts. Always pick up the entire deck and then riffle.
When I used to play MtG (like 10 years ago) pile shuffling wasn't banned, but everyone did it the same way. You make 7 piles, count your deck as you go, then pick up all 7 and mash or riffle the normal number of times. I don't know how true this is, but I remember being told that pile shuffling was beneficial in MtG specifically because 1/3rd of your deck is lands, so clumping happened way more often...but as you said, if pile shuffling stops clumps, the deck isn't truly random, so I see why they banned it
Maybe I'm too efficient or a bigger waste of time because I pile shuffle, and I always grab the two stacks furthest away from each other and mash them together. I do 8 piles, I grab top left and bottom right and mash once and continue on to the others. Then I proceed to mash or riffle a bunch before passing it on to be cut.
I've always done it that way since I started playing
I pile shuffle with not dragon shield. Some less quality sleeves stick together, not in the “o my two energies are together, make sure they are apart” in the literally one card is stuck with another. That’s because I sweat a lot with my hands. Then I do the crappy two pile shuffle because I got monkey brain. And sure I use the time to check the amount of cards.
Then I ruffle shuffle 7 times.
I hate my hands. Due to this Same sweeting I’ll easily go through like 500 sleeves in a regional
Old man shouts at clouds
For everyone talking about "de-clumping" or "spreading cards out", be careful, as this can also be seen as a form of cheating and get you in trouble.
Random doesn't mean evenly distributed, it means your three copies of Mew VMAX being cards 1, 21, and 41 in your shuffled deck is just as likely as them being cards 1, 2, and 3.
I know there can be practical limitations to people shuffling by hand, but if you shuffle sufficiently, it doesn't matter whether you de-clumped or not, because the shuffling has made your deck random regardless of its initial state.
I do like doing the 1 pile shuffling at the beginning of the game to count cards while “randomizing”, but stuff like doing’s game 2-3 and shuffling half the deck tilts me too
At the start of a match I don't care. If we are pressed for time or in between rounds nah riffle or mash so we can get going.
I pile shuffle, make two blocks, shuffle them individually and then together.
I always do 12 x 5 pile shuffle just to count i have 60cards for sure, then riffle shuffle 8 times before presenting it to be cut
I pile shuffle to make sure I have 10 x 6 then shuffle the 3 10s together then do it for the other 3 10s
Then I proceed to do x3 shuffle of the 60-that is if I'm already at my table and the announcer hasn't said start yet.
Source:
Trust me, bro.
Piles 1,3,5 are stacked and piles 2,4,6 make two halves and I just shuffle regular after that. Obviously shuffling out 6 piles then picking up the piles in sequence isn't shuffling.
Ive been doing the shuffling the little piles until now, thanks for opening my eyes, i can stop being cringe now
Why don’t you randomized the piles then put them all together to shuffle it instead of just grabbing two piles at a time 🤔
but why u say that is stupid, you are adding more randomize to the deck every time you separate the cards and shuffle them
I only pile shuffle to count or after i worked on the decklist (making cards sorted per category) and then normal shuffle about 8 times after. Then again when match begins.
Silly question, but those are proxy cards I assume?
I typically drop my cards on the floor then pick them up one at a time to count. Not only do all the cards interact but i roll a marble on top of them to decide what i pick up next. Truly random and only takes around 10 to 20 minutes (depending if i lose the marble). The worst part is if i notice a sleeve gets dirty then i have to switch out sleeves and do the process all over again.
The best video you put out so far, nothing more tilting than getting stalled by a pile shuffle between each game
Preach to em brother. I will do piles of 10 when counting but I agree you should make a complete pile at a time, people pile shuffling to randomise are the same who think weaving is ok i.e. cheaters. If opponent does it at a significant event I'll give their deck 4 or 5 mashes instead of just cutting it.
What sleeves are you using?
Dragon Shield artwork sleeves
I will pile shuffle IF and only IF I had a long match and I am worried about clumping.
Pile shuffling followed by mash or riffles is just as random, but it's not MORE random, so essentially it's a giant waste of time.
Works for me. But I do a lot of shuffle after I put it all together and usually try to do it well before game 1 after the set is over and will skip it if we had a long game one or running low on time
then there's big events in yugioh ocg where a pile shuffle is REQUIRED after every search...
Pile shuffling and then 7 riffles with full deck still seems better for randomizing than not pile shuffling, plus it counts your cards. I dont understand your argument here.
but than why even pile is 7+ riffles is enough for randomization
Preach it Azul!!! This was actually a HUGE issue back in the early 2000's in the MTG world.
I think the pile shuffling is useful when you scoop and all your pkmn are together. That used to be the case of inteleon decks, for example. So when you do the pile suffling you put the sobbles away from each other, then shuffle at least 7 times and the deck is randomized but normally your sobbles are spread through the deck
This is literally not how shuffling works. If you properly randomize your deck it does not matter if all your Pokémon are together before you shuffle.
@@ryanm8832 thats not actually true. You can randomize the deck properly following the rules but the position of your deck when you start to randomize affects the way the cards will be in the deck. So if you don't want having your sobbles in one half of the deck is better to shuffle this way. And don't missunderstand me, the deck is still randomized since you don't have control of the position of the cards, but it's more probable that the sobbles are separated from each other
@@rafamonzonatance8634 if the original position of the cards affects the ending position of the cards, the shuffle is not sufficient.
Declumping is cheating
@@ryanm8832 ok, so go ahead and ask for a change in the rules. How many times do you think that we should shuffle the deck for it to be "sufficient"? 30? 40?
We simply can't randomize perfectly a deck like a computer, and we can't afford to shuffle +30 times, specially during a game, so our shuffling will never be "sufficient" as you like to be.
I plie "shuffle" in MTG during the start of game 1 in a match just to make sure I'm not leaving a sideboard card in that could get me a GRV, and when I do it, all of my cards get mushed together at the end before I actually start shuffling. I also tend to pile "shuffle" pretty fast because I drop cards from the top and bottom of the deck from both hands instead of one by one like most people do.
Never do this in ptcg though, seems genuinely pointless in ptcg. Like you're supposed to do this as a means to count your cards quickly. I don't see why you would ever need to do that in a game with no sideboards. ESPECIALLY with how long ptcg games are. Like dude, our game 1 is going to take 40 minutes. You can't spend 15 minutes of it counting your cards.
I pile shuffle because of my lack of faith in my shuffling skills. I never knew that you should count to 60 though, so I appreciate the tip.
I don’t pick up each and shuffle each individually, i then pick it all up and then give it a good shuffle. I don’t want to leave things like evo lines and energies all together.
I get where you are coming from though, especially if you are going into a game 2 or 3 and don’t have much time left in round.
A pile shuffle is not a shuffle. No matter how poor you think your shuffling is, it’s better shuffling than pile shuffling.
What is it with pokemon players and thinking everyone wants to cheat? I'll shuffle my deck any fucking way I want.
I’m an older yugioh player getting back into Pokémon TCG. In my TCG experience, I can confidently say I have never seen anyone pile shuffle and take not the whole stack and shuffle them again🤣
Riffle shuffling makes me cringe whenever I see someone doing it… I feel like you’re just constantly bending the cards 😰
To me, the cards are meant to be played with, you gotta figure out if you're a player or a collector 😉
@@masterball2408 you can take care of your cards and play It, its not necessary to bend the cards. It Looks so silly, like a child Who doesnt care about anything.
@@roman1305 This is also why you don't play with max rarity cards.
Riffling has greater radomization
We can rifle shuffle because our decks are worth less than a playset of ash
Everyone that doesnt pile shuffle will draw the exact line they just put on top of their deck with an ordinary rod and be shocked.
It wastes SO much time pile shuffling I tied 4 BO3 games at a cup this weekend, and majority if not all of ties pile shuffled between rounds wasting SO much time. Defo needs a ban.
I would even argue that mash shuffeling is inferior to a propper riffle shuffle, because cards that were next to each other almost always end up with exactly 1 other card in between and there is always a stack of cards at the beginning or end that stays in order. Meaning that 7 mash shuffels are likely not enough before the game starts.
You only need 7 riffle shuffles to make a 52 cards deck of cards random.
@@Paulxl I understand that there’s math and articles about this, but only riffle shuffling doesn’t make sense. Because the cards at the bottom will stay at the bottom. I agree that riffle shuffling 7 times is needed but in the combination with other ways such as cutting and “hand shuffling” or “mashing”. Pile shuffling to me is a fancy way of cutting the deck and counting cards. I have never experienced what azul was talking about where someone is shuffling 1/5th of the deck.
You missed the biggest reason why it should be banned.
You can organize your deck, show up to your table and start pile "shuffling" in a specific way to make the cards ordered in any way you'd like. And your opponent thinks you shuffled because they just watched you pile "shuffle" so they might not even shuffle your deck. They can cut it, but you can still know exactly where every card is in your deck based on your opening hand.
Pile shuffling helps show ur running the 60 also but i dont do it
I feel personally attacked……
It’s funny you say that Bradley B I was thinking about you while ranting about pile shuffling
@@AzulGG haha I knew it!!!!! I think it’s more of a superstition thing now than actually thinking it shuffles better. Got to de-clump all my gardy energies.
What's wrong with your sleeves, dude?
If you've ever been to a casino (if you haven't, dont start), they have to riffle shuffle to preserve randomness. I.e. preach!
pile shuffling is really good for players like me that cant shuffle very well
What i do is i just pile then do the 7 shuffle
Mashing doesn’t randomize because you can stack the bottom or top half 😂 you should be pile shuffling with 8 stacks and rotating between two different orders.
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People should learn to read cards instead of focusing on shuffling
I think the correct way is to alternate between shuffle types (for example riffle and overhand - I do multiple "stacks" so it is not useless). I feel like you end up with more randomized deck. Only using one type of shuffling can result in a pattern which you might take advantage of, imo.
Overhand shuffling is one of the worst shuffling methods. Overhand shuffling is almost like doing multiple cuts, that don't alter the order of the deck but just where the deck "beginns". Tricky Gym had a video on shuffling some years ago, where he linked to the Numberfile video that explains, why you should only riffle shuffle. (That is also where the 7 shuffles come from, which is stricly speaking only true for a 52 card deck)
@@hake3510 I'm not saying only overhand. I know it's useless by itself. My point was to use it as an alternation between various riffles, thus breaking the pattern you can end up with after doing only one type of shuffle method.
Riffle shuffles are better. You only need 7 to completely randomize a 52 cards deck.
@@Paulxl ok are you a bot or what? I saw the video and I know those stats. He also says that some of the original pattern remains even after those 7 shuffles. Additionally, if you keep the bottom card on the bottom, you can't say the deck is randomized. That's why I say you should alternate (that includes simple cutting).
@@pentachu938 A single card being in the same position doesn't make a pattern appears and therefore, that doesn't make the deck not randomized. Rans all about you being able to make accurate predictions about the order of the cards.
Rant probably started after hoping the opponents energies would stay all clumped together after a game 2
The pile shuffle fixed that issue by actually randomizing the deck and he lost game 3 🤣🤦♂️
I didn’t know the belief in pile counting was this strong
Mate, you repeat yourself a lot. Same in your podcast. You say the exact same thing like 6 times in a row. Still the best player I follow, you’re always one step ahead. Your mind works so fast.
Thanks thanks thanks
Pill shuffle is for ppl that organize there deck in-between games so they have the best chance not to get duplicates in their hands. It's useless other wise
I use it as a cleanliness and card counting check. Nothing wrong with that as long as it is done in a timely manner
Good thing about it is like 1 time in a case yugioh tournament i got my oponent a match loss cause i counted his cards while he was doing it lol
Thing is, "pile shuffling" is NOT A SHUFFLE. You use it to count the cards and that's it, because it's strictly inefficient in terms of shuffling compared to simple mashes/riffles, statistically speaking. This thing of shuffling one pile and the other pile and then the other is exactly like you said, those are not shuffles because the entire deck should be included. I wouldn't mind this being banned, with the exception of doing one single pile-counting. Waste of time.
The chad Pile Shuffler wasting time vs the virgin Card Riffler ready to play the game.
I hate people that sort their decks this way between rounds justifying their "randomising" like this to help get better hands...
Sometimes you randomly hit a pocket of the energy if it's truly randomised. Bad hands happen at random. If you're actively seeking to "declump" then you aren't randomising, you're stacking.
Start of tournament I do 1 pile count to check sleeves and count then go into mash shuffles. I get super tilted when people do it between games in a round
Bro, you're wrong, Math says diferently
True but seriously if you have a source I’m always down to be wrong
@Vinícius Vilaça can you specify the “math” that says pile shuffling randomizes your deck? it literally just reorders your cards in a predetermined way
Citation needed
@@ch0ku_ combinatorics is the entire field of study for how combinations and permutations come about.
A simple look at the binomial distribution disproves Azul's entire gripe by virtue of how the sum of all individual piles inherently at the end will produce a different permutation.
The order doesn't really matter so long as a similar transform is applied to the entire stack, i.e. is a Linear Transformation.
If your concern is about hand fixing or rigging a shuffle to always produce the same hand, then what they're doing is stack manipulation by using the exact same pattern all the time.
You can fuck someone else's rigging by cutting their deck randomly everytime. By always switching your cutting strategy (halving, dividing into multiple stacks, shuffling, rivers,none at all, etc...) You effectively make it into a mind game between you and the cheater trying to figure out for what shuffle you're going for. That's to say, you can always influence the cheater's hand when they are dependent on your input.
If they shuffle again after you cut, just call a judge on them and make them aware that you're not afraid to waste both your time and also have a judge threaten a DQ for the behaviour.
I feel like you are calling out Tord with the piles between games. 😆
I didn’t even know he did it but my point was to call out everyone who does it
@@AzulGG I know. Just joking. I agree with you from a mathematical perspective too.
This is how Tord shuffles lol
I use a bag to shuffle my deck
Damn i won't get this time back
lol man woke up and chose violence lol 😂
bro got as tilted as he did with the dedenne rant LMAO
Why are players allowed to shuffle they’re own cards lmao
I like to do a "pile suffle" because i suck at riffle shuffle. However, my pile shuffle is not like that. I start doing the usual, then i pick all the piles and do a normal shuffle.
This is how I shuffle 😢
I do 4 stacks of 15 cards and shuffle 2 stacks together 5 times and then mash them all together to shuffle like 6-7 times. Is that a good power shuffle ? 🙃
Pile shuffle against azul for the extra psy damage before the round 😈
I might explode
Bro got beat by pile shuffler
It hurt
@@AzulGG I know that pain well
Those sleeves beat as hell xD
i've only played online, but I agree if I played at an LGS or Competitive.
Lots of pile shuffling
@@AzulGG lmao
Azul out here making the Pokémon TCG uncringed one video at a time.
Outside of it being your own personal irk, I personally don’t see the issue, if they have to riffle or mash anyway, what’s the problem?
Wastes time when done in between games and doesn’t do what people think it does
@@AzulGG …… so outside of a personal irk. What the issue?
slowplaying
I hate pile shuffling. Not effective or efficient at all
Mash only! All else is folly