In all honesty, it's not that broken of an ability since the supporter to get into play turn 1 has been banned, the vast amount of ability denial cards in expanded, and the fact that the vast majority of the best expanded decks run mainly off of basic pokemon, not to mention cards like wally that get around the ability anyway. It's a stage 2 that evoles from an item card that's harder to get into play, so even if it weren't banned it still wouldn't likely be played
@@Cyrooooosempai Would it though? Rock/flying is a pretty mediocre typing, and its overall bulk isn't that impressive either. It's also still weak to stealth rock, which is never good. I can definitely seeing it being OU (maybe) or UU/UUBL.
I feel like the script for the video could have been written a lot less repetitive, just list off all the hand disruption cards and explain the whole combo once and then move forward, other than that I enjoy the style of editing and narration! Keep them coming!!!
I wrote it up like that originally but decided explaining each one would be more beneficial, Unfortunately the reason multiple of the cards are banned are because of how they interact with other banned cards 😅
I agree you were repeating yourself a lot but it was necessary to explain every card individually. We'd be complaining you left out the main reason why if you just lumped everything together. I was specifically looking for info on chip chip and was glad I only had to watch the section specifically for that Instead of listening to filler.
@@noahyakes2662 Once you point out that "x cards" were banned because of hand disruption or a toxic combo the next cards are very self explanatory, Pokémon seems to dislike one particular play style because it can get out of hand quickly (no pun intended)
my first thought was "why dont they play test the abilities before release?" But then i realized how hard it would be to test how a card works with every other pokemon card to exist lmao
when you knock out your own jirachi with the island amulet your opponent takes two prizes not one. they only take the one less prize if they knock it out with an attack. this helped the stratagy as you wanted to get them to 1 prize asap.
Refreshing to find a video about Pokemon suff that immediately gets to the point and doesn't begin with a 10-minute recap of the series' trajectory and its impact on pop culture.
As a Yugioh player I love that the hole pokemon bannlist is pretty much 3 decks 😂. Handloop, stun and ftks. At first I thought its an interesting decison do ban chip chip ice axe because its aparently the biggest problem in a handloop deck but than the video continued
Great video! Another reason why forest of giant plants was banned was the Shiftry from Next Destinies. You could very consistently donk the opponent. Shiftry was banned quickly after forest came out, but it was unbanned once they just decided to ban forest.
@@Green24152 it’s when the opponent doesn’t have any more Pokémon on the bench to replace the active. It’s one of the less common win conditions. It typically happens in the early game, because they weren’t able to lay down many basics.
agree. Also those cards should have always been written like that: "except Pokémon with a rule box, instead of listing EX, M-EX, GX, GX tag Team, V. Vmax, Vstar, ex, Radiant. also, have you guys notices how this new Ace specs cards started to read : this card Cant be recycled.
I remember creating a broken control deck with almost all of the banned cards and playing it in a format "Unlimited Wednesdays" at my LGS. Such good times... The format in my LGS is just like Expanded (Black and White onwards) but without BANS.
I'm a Yu-Gi-Oh! player, which is probably why I've seen this video...and holy moo-moo, those cards are strong, even for a TCG like Pokemon. Except for the fact that if any of those cards appeared in Yu-Gi-Oh!, it would immeidatly get banned, I think iot is funny how every card game make cards which make discards, and which always end up being banned X)
This is why Konami doesn't make many cards to remove cards from your opponent's hand in Yu-gi-oh. Also, a strategy that knocks out your own pokemon being overpowered is not something I expected.
No matter what game it is, Hand Rip effects are always bad game design! It takes resources from the most important of locations. If cards aren't in your hand, they just can't be played, and that's no fun at all.
I love how ironic that it’s that specific Flabebe/Floette that worked with Chip Ice Axe. the Flabebe looks TERRIFIED in the artwork like “oh arceus, I’m gonna get steamrolled!” then floette’s is like “… I’m gonna make your life miserable for the next couple of hours. :P”.
Ive only ever been to one Pokémon tcg competition before, and it was during the Black and White era. I ran in with a pretty crumby Mashup deck of two random decks I bought from Walmart, but *everyone* else was running a deck that involved that exact Sableye card. Only one person I fought there that day didn't have that deck. They all focused on the HypnoToxic Laser item card, Virbank gym stadium card, and Darkrai. The HypnoToxic Laser would poison your active Pokémon, and could also put them to sleep. The stadium card made poison deal +2 extra damage tokens, and darkrai's ability caused sleep to cause damage as well. The Sableye would keep grabbing the laser. You'd only get one turn on average to do anything with your active Pokémon before they'd get put to sleep and sleep/poison chip damaged to death. Glad to see that Sableye got what it deserved lol
Hex maniac ban hurt so much. Every deck has a copy to disrupt item lock or immunities. Play around a card that cart be hurt by your main win condition became a nightmare
As a YGO player, I see why it was banned, though. It's the Maxx "C" shit all over again. You do your wombo combo turn 1, then drop the Hex so your opponent can't play because the card has ZERO conditions on when to play it. That's why Maxx "C" is banned (in the TCG, at least. OCG still has it (idk why), but it might be banned soon thanks to the newly revealed card that is just Maxx "C", but actually balanced), because the card had ZERO conditions on when to play it, so the opponent going first could do their combo, then drop the bug on the opponent's turn and effectively shut them down for the entire turn because why would you willingly give your opponent lots of free draws? Now, if Hex had said "This card can only be used if it's the first card you play this turn" or something like that, then it would probably be balanced enough to stay in the game, as now YOU are also playing under the same effect as your opponent. But as it was printed? Yeah, card is too broken if you went first and opened it. Horribly one-sided.
Neat video, but FLI Flabébé was actually banned internationally before any sanctioned tournaments involving Cosmic Eclipse could take place. Outside of a short period of time in japan, the floette and flabébé could not be played together. Jessie & James was also globally banned in expanded before it sanctioned tournaments involving Hidden Fates could take place, the card saw functionally 0 play in standard and was banned in expanded before anyone had a chance to play it there. You forgot to mention that UNB Mismagius was banned primarily because of the existence of Dusk Stone, an item card that allowed you to evolve several pokémon, including Misdreavus, without having to wait a turn. 9:17 "Island Challenge Amulet, Reset Stamp, Mars, Jessie & James, and Lieutenant Surge's Strategy were all in the standard format at the same time. Causing the Amulet Lock Deck to become an extremely powerful meta deck" cool. Jirachi-EX had rotated from standard before any of these cards were printed. Jirachi-EX was kinda necessary in this deck to do anything.
@@miragestadium you could do a batch explanation. Bring up the 8 cards that were banned and make it like the big bad of the video. It would add interest and get your point across without repeating anything
@@helpfulhow-tosthe video title is literally EVERY banned card. Not banned combos 😂 doing a specific archetype or setup is a completely different video
@kittenxpanda9162 or, and this one is going to be fucking insane sounding to your small little brain, use a teeny tiny amount of common sense to realise that repeating combos word for God damn word over and over is not interesting to a single soul and a waste of time. You can literally just say "this card was banned because of the interaction between it and other card as previously mentioned" or add a little comedy to it and just show the card on screen with some sort of flash backy editing thing. It's so easy and much more entertaining. And you did make a point there. The title says "every card" not "every combo". The title sucked too.
And he says the same wrong thing multiple times: Flower Picking on Floette, unless there is some erratta you are not showing, shuffles ONE card, not TWO.
As someone who played a couple years ago with my brother very casually and hasn’t really played since, and also never really known the competitive format, I was surprised to hear that my brothers deck has 2 banned cards (oranguru and unown HAND). Still, neither of us play stall decks, just casual thrown-together decks, and in that case, those 2 cards aren’t that bad :)
I think it's a shame that alternative win conditions are almost impossible to balance in Pokemon. If they're harder to achieve than playing normally, then nobody uses them, because it just makes winning harder. If they're easier to achieve, then someone will make a hyper-consistent deck focusing on that alt win con. Something like that is also the REAL reason Forest of Giant Plants was banned: Someone managed to make a hyper consistent Shiftry deck that bounced all enemy pokemon back to their hand, forcing the 'no pokemon left in play' win condition. And suddenly everyone was playing that deck because it was easy to get Turn 1 wins before your opponent had a single chance to play the game.
1:06 God who would even come up with such a toxic strategy, that's nasty. At that level of hand control you're not even playing against your opponent's deck, you're just playing solitaire
All of these cards abilities seem similar to playing Black in Magic the Gathering with the discarding and sacrificing hahaha. That had to have been so unfun to play against xD
The difference is that Pokemon has much better draw power and recovery than MTG. The cards also have no costs. This means that in Pokemon, a player can play multiple disruption card on the same turn, find more of them for future turns, and recover the ones used to keep the lock going much more reliably, whithout sacrificing your turn to do those things. The best comparison to those hand disruption decks is probably lantern control, as that deck also tries prevent your opponent from ever drawing a relevant card similar to how pick-pick ice axe is used in Pokemon.
I find it funny cards like Red Card and Reset Stamp were ever allowed to exist because the Supporter card type was designed entirely to limit the type of game play that being able to spam item cards like that enables. As pre-E series cards were just trainer cards that were essentially all items. It seems like all of the banned cards on this list were around the same time, maybe it was a flaw in the card design of the era.
I once played a game against a guy with the unknown deck!! I think that he lost because he couldn’t set up properly, i think he had too many cards in his discard pile but tbh i don’t remember haha. it was funny because his last turn lasted like- 5 minutes?? I had fun tho
As a Magic player, this list is fascinating. The types of decks that are banned here are pretty run-of-the-mill decks you expect to run into all the time in Magic. Discard decks are almost always unplayable in any format in Magic because of how bad they tend to be, and grabbing resources from discard is just part of how all kinds of different decks in Magic work. I wonder what rule/mechanic differences between the games make it such an impossible thing to deal with in Pokemon that they had to ban almost every card printed that enabled it. Is there not interaction in Pokemon? You can't counter/disrupt a play on your opponent's turn?
You can only disrupt your opponents hand and board state on your turn. There can be active effects you have to deal with on each side of the board but nothing like magic/yugioh
Archeops shouldn't be banned, the card that got it into play early is banned and there's so much counter play for it, between ability lock, the expanded meta being based on basic pokemon, and cards that let you evolve pokemon in such a way it bypasses the ability, it likely wouldn't see much use
What makes milotic any more powerful than, say, the blastoise energy acceleration that was popular for a long time? Blastoise actually seems significantly more powerful, as there’s no cap to the number of energy you can accelerate, and you don’t have to knock it out. The other side is that it can only do water energy, but that just means you only put water energy into your deck and it’s incredible
A lot of these cards seemed as though they were in the same deck. It would be cool if this was made into a video called “Gamefreak banned this deck” or something like that. That way the video could spent time about how the deck worked and then the order of how cards were banned
i was surprised they took lusamine and wally off the banned list! this was their reasoning for lusamine " lusamine can be a powerful card in the right circumstances in control decks. However, considering that Lt. Surge’s Strategy is banned in the Expanded format, the potential of Lusamine is limited in the current environment. If Lusamine turns out to be problematic again, this decision will be reevaluated."
@@miragestadium but she will not be problem in control since ALL good control strategies are banned, literally. the only one left is mill and is not that good and they keep printing cards to prevent mill like the patrol cap and a bibarel but that's not the point. Lusamine and Wally are way more versatile than Maxie but they unbanned. Just let the guy shine.
I watched this to take notes on what NOT to do when designing a TCG, something I'm working on right now. What I took away from this was: 1. don't F with the opponent's hand size / ability to play the game and 2. all the banned cards showed up in Black & White and afterwards. Reminds me how much better the game was from Base Set to Diamond & Pearl era. I have one of the original EX mons, a nearly-useless Articuno EX with only 110 HP and still the 2 prize punishment. Too bad the game experienced the most severe form of power creep. Now we have all the bullshit 300 HP BASIC EX/GX/all-the-X whore mons that make the evolution chain just about irrelevant, because why play 70 HP Basics and try to evolve over a few turns when you can just BEEG STOMPY on turn 2? I hate that shit.
As broken as sable/garb was once it set up, it was extremely fun to play. I loved bringing it to side events, regionals, states etc. and doing well with it
Chip Chip Ice, Reset stamp, Lt. Surge Strategy, and Forest of Giant plants are the only ones that should've been banned as everything else seems fair enough.
The shaymin EX should be unbanned since, nowadays, Bibarel from Brillant Stars and Zenith Crown does the same thing but by drawing until you have 5 cards in your hand instead of 6.
Cards which could go unbanned nowadays: Shaymin EX: only 110HP as 2 prizer, easy gusting target (boss/counter catcher etc) since scoop up net is now banned Archeops: they could unban this card since Maxie is banned and setting it up requires time (even with Omastar V and Archen which evolves from “fossil”)
All those cards and they didn't even bother banning Mew V from Darkness ablaze that has 50 base damage and deals 30 extra damage per energy attached to both active pokemon
Is there any game where Marshadow isn’t toxic? Maxie’s Hidden Ball Trick feels like a Yugioh anime card: deliberately OP yet used ineffectively. The difference here is that it actually got printed. They had their eyes on Shaymin, I had mine on Rayquaza. Unown’s kinda funny considering it has absolutely no role in the games yet here it’s… an Exodia reference lol.
-Scoop-Up net - should be errata’d for non-rule box. -Amulet - cannot be placed on Pokémon rule box cards below 100HP. Lysandre’s Trump card is just a poorly designed card.
Sableye being banned is absolutely ridiculous. There were multiple ways to deal with Sableye. It has 70hp for Pete’s sake. Oranguru, maybe, but Sableye, absolutely not.
Should also have mentioned that in almost all of these cases they were banned because of the nature of the large cardpool creating some unfortunate interactions in the Expanded Format. It has been a long time since a card got banned from Standard.
I don't play the Pokémon TCG but I do play Yu-Gi-Oh, and even from that standpoint I can tell that a lot of these cards are broken. Especially the ones that draw a lot of cards since card advantage is so important.
If you look at trainer cards that came out since swsh released youll find that a whole lot of them are just nerfed versions of trainer cards from x&y or bw.. The thing is they shifted a lot of the power from those trainer cards to the pokemon cards themsevles. Im not talking about damage numbers that got bigger and bigger because of power creep, Im talking about how if a pokemon cant set itself up in a turn or 2 tops it cant even be considered a good deck nowdays. Forest of giant plants didnt seem that broken back in the day because the pokemon themseves were not as broken as they are today. Imagine what this card could do nowdays.
Even with all these cards in play, a Pokémon card game would still be less ridiculous than current Yugioh and its 10+ min. first turns where your opponent summons 5 monsters XD
Apparently they are looking at banning the new Munkidori card i can see why because being able to move damage off your pokemon to your opponent's is crazy strong sure its only 30 but Adrena-Brain is not once it stacks meaning multiple Munkidori is 60/90 or even 120 damage swap
The Chip-Chip Ice Axe with Marshadow combo is hilarious to me as someone who plays Hearthstone because hand control is terrible and unplayable and I think even if I made a deck that had essentially this exact effect it would die so fast.
All these banned cards sound like they would be perfectly balanced if they all didn’t exist at the same time. As for Lysandre’s trump card it sounds like a way to just keep the game going forever since the opponent gets to reuse their discards as well.
TL;DR lock decks are both broken and supremely unfun to play against. Every time they print a card that points to a lock strategy it proves to be a mistake and they have to ban it. Only 2 or 3 cards are banned for a different reason
Those last 2 Unknowns are crazy and i have no clue how to set up either. How would you even get 33 cards in your hand when you have to discard down to the max hand count at the end of your turn? Also, I doubt I've ever had 660 dmg on my bench, but I've never tried to maximize the dmg on my bench either.
At least Jessie and James achieved something evil for once.
😂😂 the only time
pin this lol
Surprisingly their card kinda blast off again.
😂😂😂
Instead of just saying “We’re blasting off again!” Or getting scooped away
Archeops having an ability that's not only good, but BAN-WORTHY, is really funny considering what its ability in the video games is like
In all honesty, it's not that broken of an ability since the supporter to get into play turn 1 has been banned, the vast amount of ability denial cards in expanded, and the fact that the vast majority of the best expanded decks run mainly off of basic pokemon, not to mention cards like wally that get around the ability anyway. It's a stage 2 that evoles from an item card that's harder to get into play, so even if it weren't banned it still wouldn't likely be played
The ironic thing is that Archeops having an actual good ability like defiant or intimidation would be an obvious ban to Ubers xd
@@Cyrooooosempai Would it though? Rock/flying is a pretty mediocre typing, and its overall bulk isn't that impressive either. It's also still weak to stealth rock, which is never good. I can definitely seeing it being OU (maybe) or UU/UUBL.
It's kinda funny how alot of these cards are banned bc of how they work w each other lol
They need to add double dragon energy and scoop up net to it tbh
@timmyfoo highly agree w that. All I play in expanded its some dragon type one shot deck, usually w like lugia or smth. And scoop is BROKEN
@@miragestadiumscoop up net was sucu a weird card to ever print
@@miragestadiumscoop up net needs to be errata’d to say non rule box simple. Double dragon energy is fine.
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I actually think DDE needs a reprint!
I feel like the script for the video could have been written a lot less repetitive, just list off all the hand disruption cards and explain the whole combo once and then move forward, other than that I enjoy the style of editing and narration! Keep them coming!!!
I wrote it up like that originally but decided explaining each one would be more beneficial, Unfortunately the reason multiple of the cards are banned are because of how they interact with other banned cards 😅
@@miragestadium Yeah normally it would make sense to explain each card by itself, I didn't expect so many disruption cards on the list
THIS is how you do constructive criticism. Ive seen way to many people flat out insult someone and say it was "constructive criticism"
I agree you were repeating yourself a lot but it was necessary to explain every card individually. We'd be complaining you left out the main reason why if you just lumped everything together. I was specifically looking for info on chip chip and was glad I only had to watch the section specifically for that Instead of listening to filler.
@@noahyakes2662 Once you point out that "x cards" were banned because of hand disruption or a toxic combo the next cards are very self explanatory, Pokémon seems to dislike one particular play style because it can get out of hand quickly (no pun intended)
Man pokemon was cooking with the sun and moon and XY sets.
They're starting to bring back hand disruption stuff in scarlet and violet will be fun to see how it goes
@@miragestadium oh! Nice! I didn't know that, thank you!
Its way more manageable with no lt surge equivalent and unfair stamp being an ace spec. @miragestadium
my first thought was "why dont they play test the abilities before release?" But then i realized how hard it would be to test how a card works with every other pokemon card to exist lmao
Or figure out that discarding cards from your opponents hand never ends well 😂
@@miragestadiumevery individual card works well in a vacuum I think. Only if there are many such cards with synergies it gets wild.
When the cards come across numerous sets thats also an issue
well technically there's set rotation so it's not AS bad... but still
when you knock out your own jirachi with the island amulet your opponent takes two prizes not one. they only take the one less prize if they knock it out with an attack. this helped the stratagy as you wanted to get them to 1 prize asap.
100% mis spoke on that 😅 thanks for the correction!
Refreshing to find a video about Pokemon suff that immediately gets to the point and doesn't begin with a 10-minute recap of the series' trajectory and its impact on pop culture.
"and don´t forget to like and subscribe before you even watch it, because that makes sense"
Those videos just go in one ear and out the other, I immediately mentally disengage hearing people recycle the same sentences to fill up a video.
As a Yugioh player I love that the hole pokemon bannlist is pretty much 3 decks 😂. Handloop, stun and ftks. At first I thought its an interesting decison do ban chip chip ice axe because its aparently the biggest problem in a handloop deck but than the video continued
XY was basically Mardi Gras
Whoever figured out the amulet lock strategy is a mad genius
Great video! Another reason why forest of giant plants was banned was the Shiftry from Next Destinies. You could very consistently donk the opponent. Shiftry was banned quickly after forest came out, but it was unbanned once they just decided to ban forest.
Currently working on a script about older banned cards and honestly shiftry was the problem not the stadium 😂
i remember decidueye gx used to be really busted with forest of giant plants as well
what does donk mean
@@Green24152 it’s when the opponent doesn’t have any more Pokémon on the bench to replace the active. It’s one of the less common win conditions. It typically happens in the early game, because they weren’t able to lay down many basics.
What I learned: XY and Sun and Moon era was WILD 😂
I agree 100% that Scoop-Up Net should have been banned over Shaymin-EX or at least errata'd to say "except Pokémon with a rule box"
Was a severe oversight when it was printed that way
@@miragestadium for sure
agree.
Also those cards should have always been written like that:
"except Pokémon with a rule box, instead of listing EX, M-EX, GX, GX tag Team, V. Vmax, Vstar, ex, Radiant.
also, have you guys notices how this new Ace specs cards started to read : this card Cant be recycled.
I remember creating a broken control deck with almost all of the banned cards and playing it in a format "Unlimited Wednesdays" at my LGS. Such good times...
The format in my LGS is just like Expanded (Black and White onwards) but without BANS.
It would be cool if they added a unlimited format in Pokémon TCG live for people that didn’t get a chance to play stuff like that
I'm a Yu-Gi-Oh! player, which is probably why I've seen this video...and holy moo-moo, those cards are strong, even for a TCG like Pokemon. Except for the fact that if any of those cards appeared in Yu-Gi-Oh!, it would immeidatly get banned, I think iot is funny how every card game make cards which make discards, and which always end up being banned X)
we have cards that go +7 lolololol
Mill decks are a surprisingly common form of gimmick deck
This is why Konami doesn't make many cards to remove cards from your opponent's hand in Yu-gi-oh. Also, a strategy that knocks out your own pokemon being overpowered is not something I expected.
but reset stamp was the problem not the amulet lol
No matter what game it is, Hand Rip effects are always bad game design! It takes resources from the most important of locations. If cards aren't in your hand, they just can't be played, and that's no fun at all.
Konami has a whole books worth of broken shit lmao
In the past, they released 3 cards of hand rip in the same set lol
maxie's ball trick shouldn't be banned in decks that don't have arcecheops (can't put the maxie card in a team magma theme deck because of the ban)
The other fossil pokemon it's used with are just as unfun and toxic to play against, and it keeps new strategies like archeops from occuring
oh so the ban effect only takes place if someone is playing archeops in their deck, what a BS idea
I love how ironic that it’s that specific Flabebe/Floette that worked with Chip Ice Axe.
the Flabebe looks TERRIFIED in the artwork like “oh arceus, I’m gonna get steamrolled!”
then floette’s is like “… I’m gonna make your life miserable for the next couple of hours. :P”.
Ive only ever been to one Pokémon tcg competition before, and it was during the Black and White era. I ran in with a pretty crumby Mashup deck of two random decks I bought from Walmart, but *everyone* else was running a deck that involved that exact Sableye card. Only one person I fought there that day didn't have that deck.
They all focused on the HypnoToxic Laser item card, Virbank gym stadium card, and Darkrai. The HypnoToxic Laser would poison your active Pokémon, and could also put them to sleep. The stadium card made poison deal +2 extra damage tokens, and darkrai's ability caused sleep to cause damage as well. The Sableye would keep grabbing the laser. You'd only get one turn on average to do anything with your active Pokémon before they'd get put to sleep and sleep/poison chip damaged to death. Glad to see that Sableye got what it deserved lol
Hex maniac ban hurt so much. Every deck has a copy to disrupt item lock or immunities. Play around a card that cart be hurt by your main win condition became a nightmare
As a YGO player, I see why it was banned, though. It's the Maxx "C" shit all over again. You do your wombo combo turn 1, then drop the Hex so your opponent can't play because the card has ZERO conditions on when to play it. That's why Maxx "C" is banned (in the TCG, at least. OCG still has it (idk why), but it might be banned soon thanks to the newly revealed card that is just Maxx "C", but actually balanced), because the card had ZERO conditions on when to play it, so the opponent going first could do their combo, then drop the bug on the opponent's turn and effectively shut them down for the entire turn because why would you willingly give your opponent lots of free draws? Now, if Hex had said "This card can only be used if it's the first card you play this turn" or something like that, then it would probably be balanced enough to stay in the game, as now YOU are also playing under the same effect as your opponent. But as it was printed? Yeah, card is too broken if you went first and opened it. Horribly one-sided.
Neat video, but
FLI Flabébé was actually banned internationally before any sanctioned tournaments involving Cosmic Eclipse could take place. Outside of a short period of time in japan, the floette and flabébé could not be played together.
Jessie & James was also globally banned in expanded before it sanctioned tournaments involving Hidden Fates could take place, the card saw functionally 0 play in standard and was banned in expanded before anyone had a chance to play it there.
You forgot to mention that UNB Mismagius was banned primarily because of the existence of Dusk Stone, an item card that allowed you to evolve several pokémon, including Misdreavus, without having to wait a turn.
9:17 "Island Challenge Amulet, Reset Stamp, Mars, Jessie & James, and Lieutenant Surge's Strategy were all in the standard format at the same time. Causing the Amulet Lock Deck to become an extremely powerful meta deck"
cool. Jirachi-EX had rotated from standard before any of these cards were printed. Jirachi-EX was kinda necessary in this deck to do anything.
I mean its a cool video idea conpletely ruined by the fact that about 70% of the video is just saying the same exact thing over and over again.
It's why they're banned though 😅
@@miragestadium you could do a batch explanation. Bring up the 8 cards that were banned and make it like the big bad of the video. It would add interest and get your point across without repeating anything
@@helpfulhow-tosthe video title is literally EVERY banned card. Not banned combos 😂 doing a specific archetype or setup is a completely different video
@kittenxpanda9162 or, and this one is going to be fucking insane sounding to your small little brain, use a teeny tiny amount of common sense to realise that repeating combos word for God damn word over and over is not interesting to a single soul and a waste of time.
You can literally just say "this card was banned because of the interaction between it and other card as previously mentioned" or add a little comedy to it and just show the card on screen with some sort of flash backy editing thing. It's so easy and much more entertaining. And you did make a point there. The title says "every card" not "every combo".
The title sucked too.
And he says the same wrong thing multiple times: Flower Picking on Floette, unless there is some erratta you are not showing, shuffles ONE card, not TWO.
As someone who played a couple years ago with my brother very casually and hasn’t really played since, and also never really known the competitive format, I was surprised to hear that my brothers deck has 2 banned cards (oranguru and unown HAND). Still, neither of us play stall decks, just casual thrown-together decks, and in that case, those 2 cards aren’t that bad :)
i liked how thorough this video was. i’ve never played the trading card game but this was easy to understand :)
I think it's a shame that alternative win conditions are almost impossible to balance in Pokemon. If they're harder to achieve than playing normally, then nobody uses them, because it just makes winning harder. If they're easier to achieve, then someone will make a hyper-consistent deck focusing on that alt win con.
Something like that is also the REAL reason Forest of Giant Plants was banned: Someone managed to make a hyper consistent Shiftry deck that bounced all enemy pokemon back to their hand, forcing the 'no pokemon left in play' win condition. And suddenly everyone was playing that deck because it was easy to get Turn 1 wins before your opponent had a single chance to play the game.
1:06 God who would even come up with such a toxic strategy, that's nasty. At that level of hand control you're not even playing against your opponent's deck, you're just playing solitaire
TLDR: Stall and hand-lock tactics are toxic, so you can't play them
I feel like half of these could come back if battle compressor was banned instead
Great video, keep them coming!
Thanks, will do!
After playing with Uxie and Claydol for years, its funny seeing Shaymin the “nerfed” version on the ban list.
Good voice for narrative videos, solid info i was looking for thanks
Marshadow: INFINITE POWERRRRR-I oOoOoOOOO soda
All of these cards abilities seem similar to playing Black in Magic the Gathering with the discarding and sacrificing hahaha. That had to have been so unfun to play against xD
They weren't even the best decks they were just miserable to play against and got banned to promote a more fun/fair environment for the most part.
The difference is that Pokemon has much better draw power and recovery than MTG. The cards also have no costs. This means that in Pokemon, a player can play multiple disruption card on the same turn, find more of them for future turns, and recover the ones used to keep the lock going much more reliably, whithout sacrificing your turn to do those things.
The best comparison to those hand disruption decks is probably lantern control, as that deck also tries prevent your opponent from ever drawing a relevant card similar to how pick-pick ice axe is used in Pokemon.
I find it funny cards like Red Card and Reset Stamp were ever allowed to exist because the Supporter card type was designed entirely to limit the type of game play that being able to spam item cards like that enables. As pre-E series cards were just trainer cards that were essentially all items. It seems like all of the banned cards on this list were around the same time, maybe it was a flaw in the card design of the era.
Hex maniac works just like Cold Wave from Yu-Gi-Oh 😂
It's more like True King of All Calamities
I once played a game against a guy with the unknown deck!! I think that he lost because he couldn’t set up properly, i think he had too many cards in his discard pile but tbh i don’t remember haha. it was funny because his last turn lasted like- 5 minutes?? I had fun tho
As a Magic player, this list is fascinating. The types of decks that are banned here are pretty run-of-the-mill decks you expect to run into all the time in Magic. Discard decks are almost always unplayable in any format in Magic because of how bad they tend to be, and grabbing resources from discard is just part of how all kinds of different decks in Magic work.
I wonder what rule/mechanic differences between the games make it such an impossible thing to deal with in Pokemon that they had to ban almost every card printed that enabled it. Is there not interaction in Pokemon? You can't counter/disrupt a play on your opponent's turn?
You can only disrupt your opponents hand and board state on your turn. There can be active effects you have to deal with on each side of the board but nothing like magic/yugioh
I low-key stopped playing tcg ever since the reset stamp and tag team Pokemon started to exist, I came back to the game when they rotated
Archeops shouldn't be banned, the card that got it into play early is banned and there's so much counter play for it, between ability lock, the expanded meta being based on basic pokemon, and cards that let you evolve pokemon in such a way it bypasses the ability, it likely wouldn't see much use
some of these seem way better than some current cards in the format like block snorlax
What makes milotic any more powerful than, say, the blastoise energy acceleration that was popular for a long time? Blastoise actually seems significantly more powerful, as there’s no cap to the number of energy you can accelerate, and you don’t have to knock it out.
The other side is that it can only do water energy, but that just means you only put water energy into your deck and it’s incredible
A lot of these cards seemed as though they were in the same deck. It would be cool if this was made into a video called “Gamefreak banned this deck” or something like that. That way the video could spent time about how the deck worked and then the order of how cards were banned
great video. Love how straightforward and simple the dialogue and editing is
Much appreciated! Thanks for watching!
They unbanned Lusamine which is way more broken than Maxie. Give a chance to this poor guy.
Great video.
i was surprised they took lusamine and wally off the banned list! this was their reasoning for lusamine " lusamine can be a powerful card in the right circumstances in control decks. However, considering that Lt. Surge’s Strategy is banned in the Expanded format, the potential of Lusamine is limited in the current environment. If Lusamine turns out to be problematic again, this decision will be reevaluated."
@@miragestadium but she will not be problem in control since ALL good control strategies are banned, literally. the only one left is mill and is not that good and they keep printing cards to prevent mill like the patrol cap and a bibarel but that's not the point. Lusamine and Wally are way more versatile than Maxie but they unbanned. Just let the guy shine.
and Lusamine doesn't need Surge to keep an infinite loop of supporters.
I watched this to take notes on what NOT to do when designing a TCG, something I'm working on right now. What I took away from this was:
1. don't F with the opponent's hand size / ability to play the game and
2. all the banned cards showed up in Black & White and afterwards.
Reminds me how much better the game was from Base Set to Diamond & Pearl era. I have one of the original EX mons, a nearly-useless Articuno EX with only 110 HP and still the 2 prize punishment. Too bad the game experienced the most severe form of power creep. Now we have all the bullshit 300 HP BASIC EX/GX/all-the-X whore mons that make the evolution chain just about irrelevant, because why play 70 HP Basics and try to evolve over a few turns when you can just BEEG STOMPY on turn 2? I hate that shit.
While making this list the main thing that stuck out was not allowing your opponent to play usually results in a ban
pokemon duel logs oh my god
Funny that both Delinquent from Pokèmon and Delinquent Duo from Yu Gi Oh are banned OP cards that discard resources from hand lol
As broken as sable/garb was once it set up, it was extremely fun to play. I loved bringing it to side events, regionals, states etc. and doing well with it
Chip Chip Ice, Reset stamp, Lt. Surge Strategy, and Forest of Giant plants are the only ones that should've been banned as everything else seems fair enough.
Forest of giant plants with vileplume and lurantis gx was so fun
The shaymin EX should be unbanned since, nowadays, Bibarel from Brillant Stars and Zenith Crown does the same thing but by drawing until you have 5 cards in your hand instead of 6.
Cards which could go unbanned nowadays:
Shaymin EX: only 110HP as 2 prizer, easy gusting target (boss/counter catcher etc) since scoop up net is now banned
Archeops: they could unban this card since Maxie is banned and setting it up requires time (even with Omastar V and Archen which evolves from “fossil”)
All those cards and they didn't even bother banning Mew V from Darkness ablaze that has 50 base damage and deals 30 extra damage per energy attached to both active pokemon
Basically it’s just the amulet lock deck that’s banned.
A lot of these cards from the SuMo sets... I wonder why though...
They thought it would be a good time and it wasn't lol
Is there any game where Marshadow isn’t toxic?
Maxie’s Hidden Ball Trick feels like a Yugioh anime card: deliberately OP yet used ineffectively. The difference here is that it actually got printed.
They had their eyes on Shaymin, I had mine on Rayquaza.
Unown’s kinda funny considering it has absolutely no role in the games yet here it’s… an Exodia reference lol.
I thought this was a game where pokemon fought each other.
I've made noobs cry using Red Card.
It was probably me tbh
@@miragestadium Haha.
crazy how one deck got like five cards banned holy moly
I didn't know Pokemon had a forbidden and limited list!
XY really was the era of broken Trainer cards lol
-Scoop-Up net - should be errata’d for non-rule box.
-Amulet - cannot be placed on Pokémon rule box cards below 100HP.
Lysandre’s Trump card is just a poorly designed card.
I honestly think net was designed to synergize with radiant pokemon causing the rule box over sight.
I WILL WANK ANY TRAINER'S VAPOREON FOR A MERE HEART SCALE!
I MEAN WALK! I WILL WALK ANY TRAINER'S VAPOREON!
Sableye being banned is absolutely ridiculous. There were multiple ways to deal with Sableye. It has 70hp for Pete’s sake. Oranguru, maybe, but Sableye, absolutely not.
If that Milotic was banned, I'm kinda surprised Cryogonal with Element Chain was never banned
So basically:
Pokemon doesn't have ways to counter control decks
Should also have mentioned that in almost all of these cases they were banned because of the nature of the large cardpool creating some unfortunate interactions in the Expanded Format. It has been a long time since a card got banned from Standard.
True although Lysandre's trump card was banned in standard. That card paired with seismitoad slurpuff was such an overpowered deck.
Unown is like Exodia but without having to collect parts to spell out the letters
Finding exodia is probably easier lol
Pokemon TCG hand control players will shit their pants at the sight of the scam meta in modern magic
I feel like lysander’s trump card could work as an ace spec but it’s still extremely strong
Why is forest of the giant plants banned but not broken time space which can do effectively the same thing for you?
I don't play the Pokémon TCG but I do play Yu-Gi-Oh, and even from that standpoint I can tell that a lot of these cards are broken. Especially the ones that draw a lot of cards since card advantage is so important.
If you look at trainer cards that came out since swsh released youll find that a whole lot of them are just nerfed versions of trainer cards from x&y or bw..
The thing is they shifted a lot of the power from those trainer cards to the pokemon cards themsevles.
Im not talking about damage numbers that got bigger and bigger because of power creep,
Im talking about how if a pokemon cant set itself up in a turn or 2 tops it cant even be considered a good deck nowdays.
Forest of giant plants didnt seem that broken back in the day because the pokemon themseves were not as broken as they are today.
Imagine what this card could do nowdays.
Even with all these cards in play, a Pokémon card game would still be less ridiculous than current Yugioh and its 10+ min. first turns where your opponent summons 5 monsters XD
Deluge blastoise amd healing scarf. Attach 6 energy heal completely
Leave unown. The play it supports is pretty balanced considering there are still cards that force your opponent to discard and re draw
I'm a yugioh player, but i like pokemon ban have a similar mindset to us "floodgates and hand control it's unfair"
Yugioh combos are absolutely crazy though 😅😂
Do cards that should be banned
This
Good idea!
This
Did you do the Floette error (2 cards instead of one) twice on purpose, just to trigger people to comment?
Apparently they are looking at banning the new Munkidori card i can see why because being able to move damage off your pokemon to your opponent's is crazy strong sure its only 30 but Adrena-Brain is not once it stacks meaning multiple Munkidori is 60/90 or even 120 damage swap
Getting 3 basics into play with 3 energy attachments isnt easy and will likely be the reason its not banned
Oh, so that turbo-discard deck got nuked from orbit.
The Chip-Chip Ice Axe with Marshadow combo is hilarious to me as someone who plays Hearthstone because hand control is terrible and unplayable and I think even if I made a deck that had essentially this exact effect it would die so fast.
All these banned cards sound like they would be perfectly balanced if they all didn’t exist at the same time. As for Lysandre’s trump card it sounds like a way to just keep the game going forever since the opponent gets to reuse their discards as well.
Pissed off they banned powerful squal blastoise.
It's so sad that my wife Hex is banned
Awesome video, keep up the good work!
Thank you!
“Supporter cards are the most powerful type of trainer cards in the game”
Everyone after the recent SV sets: 😐😐😐
Right 😂
These combos are like the ones you see in Yu-Gi-Oh
I love it
Lol pre-pach pokemon catcher back in 2014 was op
When they nerfed it the entire meta changed lol
Bro who were the card designers in the XY era and how did they manage to make THIS MANY broken cards LOL
They're no longer employed lol
Flabebe evolution takes one or two cards from the hand? You're saying two every time, but the card you are showing says one.
I made a grass deck for a mate i play yugioh with and left forest of giant plants in there for over a month before remembering it was banned
It’s a Pokémon version of a dule logs video neat
He is missing moo moo milk
I love your intro.
Thank you!
TL;DR lock decks are both broken and supremely unfun to play against. Every time they print a card that points to a lock strategy it proves to be a mistake and they have to ban it.
Only 2 or 3 cards are banned for a different reason
Those last 2 Unknowns are crazy and i have no clue how to set up either. How would you even get 33 cards in your hand when you have to discard down to the max hand count at the end of your turn? Also, I doubt I've ever had 660 dmg on my bench, but I've never tried to maximize the dmg on my bench either.
To answer your first question, you don’t have to discard down to any hand count at the end of a turn for unown draw :)
@@blahtest fair enough!
I’ve been playing marshadow since Covid 🤦🏻
forgot about one card that was banned due to getting double damage on the user's birthday.
(banned because judges didn't want to check IDs)