UniFi Dream Machine SE - Unboxing and Setup
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- Опубликовано: 20 янв 2022
- The UniFi Dream Machine SE (model: UDM-SE) is the latest 1U form factor device running UniFi OS. On top of UniFi OS, you can run such applications as UniFi Network, UniFi Protect, Unifi Access, and UniFi Talk.
This model improves upon the original UDM-Pro by adding PoE to the switch ports, a 2.5Gbps WAN port, and an integrated 128GB SSD hard drive for Protect footage.
In this video I unbox the Dream Machine SE, take a look at its guts, and go through the initial setup.
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i just received mine the other day, migrating from a cloud key g2+ and USG was a breeze! backup and restore unifi controller and it automatically deleted the USG, migrated my switches and APs, and then backup/restore the protect app and BAM, cameras were back online. I didn't need to retain any footage off the system as it's just my house, so i'm very happy with how smooth that was.
i am glad i waited for the SE, that 2.5gb WAN port def boosted my internet speeds by quite a bit thanks to my 2.5gb WAN modem, totally worth it.
I get my UDM-SE delivered on Monday. I am very excited for the 2.5GbE and PoE. I don't have a ton of PoE devices YET, but Im definitely planning to pick up some cameras when they eventually come back in stock.
About the display controller board: They've changed from a 10+ year old microcontroller to a newer part that's far faster, but with less built-in flash, thus the 256Mb flash chip on the board. Both have USB capability, but maybe they did not implement it on the old one or it's only available via pads on the PCB.
They did the POE! Perfection. Now I just wish they were going to become more opensource again like they used to be, but generally it is a good improvement.
I have been waiting for this version to be available, great video
Great video and exciting upgrades from Ubiquiti. Would love to see a video where you migrate your UDM Pro to the UDM SE to see how well it goes.
I love the LTT Store mat. A man of culture, I see.
Excellent presentation. Thank you for presenting all the necessary details for a first time buyer!
Just got my UDM-SE yesterday. Pretty easy to setup. I migrated from the USG and UCK G2 Plus. Make sure they are all up to date and make and save a backup. When the UDM-SE wizard is finished, restore the backups. The only strange thing that happened is my original IP scheme was 192.168.200.XXX, and after I restored the backups, everything is now 192.168.1.XXX. This may have something to do with forgetting to remove the old UCK G2 from the console before restoring the backup to the UDM-SE. The other issue I had was the UDM-SE would not work or recognize a Seagate 8TB Hard Drive. The light remains yellow. I tested the drive and it appears to be ok. But it does work fine with an 8-year old 5TB drive.
I am noticing a substantial performance increase over the USG. Even Unifi Protect runs very fast and smooth now.
Thanks for the breakdown video. Regarding your comment at 6:40, as an electronic hardware engineer I’ll attest that visual changes in a design don’t always mean an improvement (or at least what the end user would consider to be an improvement). Could have been done to reduce their costs (w/ or w/o affecting performance), to adapt to components on the older design becoming unavailable or obsolete, or maybe just for compatibility with the new motherboard. We often use different solder mask colors to help make the different versions more easily distinguishable. I know you didn’t mean your comment to be taken so literally, but I find that everyone all too often assume that “changes” are necessarily in their favor.
Thanks for the heads up, just ordered one on-line
Great video Chris! For someone who is just start with these products, I will start with SE.
Same here. This is great if you want to just add up to 4-5 cams or other poe devices.
There is another thing to take into account with the SSD storage. Depending on the technology used (EVO or QVO) the MTTF (Mean Time To Failure) may be very short. So even if it were a 4TB in QVO technology it would be a no go for video storage. From the references of the chips controlling the displays, the specsheets and details of their functionalities can be found but unfortunately I cannot read them on the video.
I use a 12TB drive on my UDM PRO! It works perfectly
As someone who currently works in logistics, some of the differences that don't seem relevant (the display board for example) may be due to supply chain issues. I would imagine that they have tried to procure more than one supplier per part wherever possible.
Chris, if you have a 1 gigabit or above WAN speed, the UDM-Pro tops at 930 Mbps (the missing 70 is for overhead). But there is a simple way to go beyond: buy a MikroTik S+RJ10 module and stick in SFP+ port 9 which can be configured as WAN2 interface. The MikroTik module connects at the SFP+ (UDMP) side at 10 Gbps and at the ethernet side it can connect to 1, 2.5, 5 or 10 Gbps speeds. Ubiquiti doesn't have a module which can do that.
I have a cable modem with a 2.5 Gbps LAN port and my gigabit subscription is topped at 1070 Mbps. If I run a speedtest with this MikroTik moduele, I'm able to reach the 1000 Mbps (and a little bit above). So, there goes the reason for choosing a UDM-SE for that reason.
And... if you want the get the maximum out of your setup, isn't it better to use a separate switch? I guess if the UDM-Pro doesn't have to do all the switching, is has more resources available for routing and controlling.
Truth, I've done exactly this, just with a different SFP+ module. I did have issues with failover to the 1GbE port though. @Robert Webbe have they resolved that issue where the WAN2 failover to WAN1 was sketch
wow, what a problem to have! haha here in australia we struggle to get 50-100Mbps. Enjoy!
how are you testing the 930Mbps, at most I'm seeing is ~800 with threat management on where I get 920+ with it off?
Is the 2.5G port on the UDM-SE still limited to 1Gbps from the SFP+ LAN port? I know the 8 port switch was limited to a max of 1Gbps to WAN, but not sure if you can go >1G from SFP+ LAN to the 2.5G WAN port. If not then no huge advantage for me to get the UDM-SE over the UDMP besides the POE for a few low traffic IoT devices.
I wouldn't expect anyone who would buy either UDM to use it as their main switch, they would add others. For me there's enough with the SE to justify the price.
Just bought one can't wait to play around with it :)
Hehe looking at deploying a udm and associated devices. Now to decide which version to choose, depending also on whether udm-se is available in Australia. My thoughts are that they might direct more engineering resources to the new gear, although the udm-pro hasn't been available for a long time either.
Thanks for your videos Chris. Interesting and easy to follow.
An advantage of this over Ubiquiti's low end POE switches is that you get more total power. For example the USW-16-PoE is limited to 42W, slightly less than the USW-Lite-16-PoE for $100 more. The older 150W switches would be great, but they are never in stock. The UDM-SE should be able to do 150W.
Yeah we opted for the older 150w PoE switch last year for the additional overhead for the same money
I don't think either the SE should have 150W poe inside. 150W is a lot of power to generate inside such a small form factor and will generate a lot of heat. if the switch fails you always can replace it easily with another switch. if the udm fails it will be disastrous and expensive to replace the whole udm.
Idk what the max HDD supposed, but i accidentally bought an 18TB on sale. Gave it a go, and it works just fine.
Nice video as always.
Really good review Tom, I have had this model for months here in Ireland, we only have 1Gb GPONs so the only feature I gained was the POE switch. Also hard drive don't like to mount in the SE they don't recognise pre used clean drives very well
You need to do an erase of the partition table. Use WD Lifeguard utility and do a quick erase that wipes the first and last track
Hey Chris, great video! I just got mine setup, but I wanted to bring out to this group and anyone thinking of getting a SE, beware. On version 3.0.18 I believe, and had to power down to move it to another area and whamo, it does not boot back up. It doesn't even allow to go into recover mode. I did a search on this issue and it is happening to many folks. It does appear to be a "bug" of some sort, but whether that is hardware based or software, I dont know. Right now it is a brick, and from the comments I have seen, the only resolution is to leave it powered off for a bit, then unplug all, hold in reset when powering back on and get into recover mode. I havent tried this yet, but thought i would bring this out because for the price I paid on it, and Ubiquiti's lack of support in helping resolve it, I would advise to stay away from the SE, at least for now. Unless someone on here has a good solution that they have run across. Was really liking having 8 PoE ports too. Thanks for all your videos though Chris, very informative!!
nice LTT Desk pad Chris. just got mine too
Very practical information thanks a video👍
Interesting that they have forked the firmware for the UDM-SE vs the UDM Unifi OS with different version numbers. Clearly more to it than just some POE ports and an SSD as evidenced by the main board being much much more busy.
I love my UDM SE
I’m always left needing more with the dream machine line.
I love their AP’s and edgemax is great if you have the time to learn the CLI.
Unfortunately for me I’m back to running ubiquity AP’s with a pfSense firewall.
I really hope my UDM Pro SE Early Access doesn't differentiate too much from the final release. (Except maybe saying "UDM Pro SE" on the front instead of "UDM SE")
That's an arm board of some kind there using for that touch screen kinds cool
I have the UDM-Pro and a 1gig connection. I always max out around 948mbps down. Coming directly out of my modem to my PC (2.5 to 2.5 NIC’s) I average 1029mbps down. Splitting hairs at that point and truly the cost to provide that speed beyond this one device gets expensive rather quickly (let alone the cost of the UDM Pro, itself) - if you are wanting to stay within the UniFi ecosystem. I went kind of crazy last year and trenched CAT6 over to our next door lot shed and with 4 total (3 house - 1 shed) outdoor AP’s I have WiFi across my entire block (2.4ghz) and then some. 😂 🤷🏼♂️
Still waiting for them up here in Canada, hope they land soon!!!
This is great. I wish they were actually available to buy.
Thanks for the video, Chris! I have two questions after this video. Since the UXG is stuck in EA/Narnia indefinitely, can you turn off the internal function of the Network? Possibly if you go the business versus home use route, there is a set inform adoption, to can you maybe turn on SSH, and issue the set inform address?
Secondly, backplane speed? With a 10G SFP+ for LAN, it makes me think that with the same port on a switch, I can really get some speed by staying with an L2 network. The UniFi line has always been a bit lethargic in the internet thruput/speed test arena. Do you think that with a 2.5Gb WAN connection, you would be able to utilize all of the WAN (with or without IDS/IPS/DPI)? Unfortunately with of 80+ (Thanks to Reilly) UnifFi systems that I have deployed, I occasionally come across the habitual speed tester and I always get hammered.
Hi Chris! Thanks for the review! Have you tried upgrading SSD drive to something bigger and see whether that works fine? Moreover, did placing new HDD enabled 'always' mode in your camera?
Can't wait for these to hit Norwegian retailers, finally replacing a 12U rack with a single U unit!
Other significant differences are that SE PCIE is gen 2. It also runs Unifi-OS on bare metal instead of in container on UbiOS.
Oh interesting - does that mean it gets better performance? Admittedly, I'm running my UDMP at the limit (or above) of the number of devices is supposed to handle, but I regularly have unifi-os get into a non-responsive state, though the bits keep being flung where and how they're supposed to. Have to SSH in and "unifi-os restart" to regain access to the config site.
Wow is actually in stock
Say "innards", 3 times really fast :-) Thank you for the great review and video. It is wonderful to see the internals (oops, innards) of the two side by side. Well done.
Thanks for doing this video I was just setting up mine and that little plastic lock tab for the power cable @ 5:02 actually snapped off immediately on mine :(
Great video!!! Keep the nice job, one question what is that pad? It looks really nice
Have you tried swapping out the internal SSD to a largest capacity? If so, what were the results?
that presentation ROCKS!!
Great video.. Sales of this unit will be impacted by the fact that ubiquiti have almost no cameras available / in stock at present and this has been the case for months! 😔
Great review, once again! Where in the US can you actually find one for sale?
i had lots of problems with this device and gave it back on next day. maybe software is better now (it was some month ago), but i stepped back to my edge router X.
Nice vid, question - whats the brand and model on the laptop you use in this video? Specs also - processor, ram, hdd etc
Hi Chris as always a great review.. could you at one point make a thorough review of the Ubiquiti UniFi 8Port 10 Gigabit SFP+ Aggregation Switch. Brgds from Denmark
You called it on the G4 doorbell pro. Not sure if you saw the new "Protect Door Lock" on the Unifi early access page
PoE ports is a great upgrade! I hope they also include an HDMI port on the UDM pro down the line, i know the viewport exists but i have had terrible experience with it.
can you try a different ssd inside of it? maybe a 500gb or TB
Wish they would open it up for New Zealand.
On the 1.3 display driver board you pointed out, I just bought my UDM SE and it has the same as the one on your PRO, it is green with black cable plugging into the right side instead of the left. I'm not sure if they swapped back or this was an early version.
Hello, thnk for your videos... do you know if this brand new UDM SE, can handle WAN load Balacing
Is the built in SSD maybe just used as a Cache drive for the cameras and then it moves the video on to a bigger drive that you would install in that slot kind of like what you would do for Unraid in order to improve write speeds?
I wonder if swapping the ssd for a bigger one would allow to always record.
Again thank you for your insightful videos. My setup was completed a few years back on a laptop running Windows. Not sure if I want the UDM SE or maybe go with the separate POE switch. The one question in my mind is how well will the UDMs fair in the garage? The temps around here can see 100 F but not the norm.
The other question; is the Unifi video software preloaded? If so do they include some other media for loading it from scratch? Enjoy the beer, my friend.
little late to seeing this, but it is a great video. I am newish to networking, and this brings me to a question. is their a reason to get this over something like the cloud key gen2. I know they are not the same thing, but the both have a couple of overlapping features. would love to hear your thoughts on that.
Can it deal with gigabit WAN connections over PPPOE? I had to return my UDM PRO due to its performance being lower than my old USG over PPPOE. (USG hardware offloading of course)
Great video. Thank you. I want to connect a Home assistant Yellow to one of the PoE ports. Do the Unifi OS provide any statistic on the power consumption on each PoE port. Do you know of any pro and con on having at HA Yellow on a PoE vs a power suply ?
You mentioned about having videos on setting this up and I can't find your other videos on this device.
Chris,
Any updates on the UDM-SE? Have you done anything more with it?
I wonder if upgrading the m.2 storage to something with more storage would result in being able to have recording always on?
Hi Chris, I am a fan of your great videos. Could you please share with me more information about the digital canvas you have on the wall. Thank you in advance!
okay, fine, i guess i will go and buy this.
Hey Chris, seeing your laptop being coonencted to the UDM-SE with an adapter reminded me of the multi-gigabit adapters that you tested with your old laptop. Have you tested them again? if I remember correctly, the main issue was the thunderbolt version on your old laptop.
Great video btw
Would the USG then need to be upgraded to wan with 2.5gig for the extra headroom in the ISP bandwidth
I currently have a UDM (no pro, the R2D2 one). I am interested in setting up Unifi Protect. should I upgrade to UDM Pro SE or buy the unifi NVR instead? Also I do have Gig internet and only a couple PoE injectors. Thoughts?
Doesn't SE stand for Special Edition? I just brought one so excited to set it up soon.
Hi, Any update in UDM SE regarding maximum user support
Hi Chris, will the UDM SE be able to do dual WAN load ballancing … or do you have recommendations?
Doh! And I just bought a UDM Pro earlier this month :(
How’s the fan noise in this one? Plan is to upgrade from their 3 port gateway but I’m not a fan of loud fans when I’m working beside them lol.
also... nice merch... just snagged one of those also 🙂
Can you upgrade the SSD and is the link between those 8 ports and the CPU (Traffic between Vlan) still at 1Gig and not 2.5!
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Hi Chris, love your videos, long-time subscriber...
I've been a happy owner to a UDM-SE (EA) for 26 months, which was bought directly from the european Ubiquiti store, hence 24 months warranty.
However there is no RMA or out of warranty repairs provided by Ubiquiti, as most of you probably already know. So this comment aims at getting some advice on a DIY-repair.
The UDM SE died, or rather had a major stroke, for no apperent reason. It was powered via an UPS, but no RPS. Auto-upgrades were disabled, so it couldn't be a no-power-during-upgrade failure. And there was no power outage...
When swiching power on the SPF+ ports light up, but that's it. LCD and ethernet ports are dead. Tried factory reset and emergency recovery mode with everything disconnected, but failed. Maybe the recovery mode works, but there's no way of knowing since port 1 is unresponsive.
So, which component yields this state when breaking down? Hardly a PSU failure? Main cicuit board? PoE-board? Are there spare parts to be found somewhere? Any suggestions? Thanks!
Did they allow us to use the 10g wan SFP as a second 10g lan yet? That was a strange omission from the first UDM pro.
Any idea when/if the advanced gateway might be coming out? Kinda thinking about trying one and retiring my old pfsense server if it is good.
Are we sure the 128gb isn’t just caching for smoother scrubbing of timelines?
I’ll buy one as SOON as they allow me to adopt it via an external controller. When a site goes down, I still get an alert. Fine if they want to leave the protect and other apps hosted onboard… but I absolutely LOVE that site to site VPN if both USG-pros are on the same controller.
Thanks for the review. One of my prime complaints with the UDM-Pro was I couldn't mirror the WAN or any of the LAN ports. My question is do the onboard ports have common functionality like port mirroring available now in the SE?
I thought the internal drive could be used for Talk to store your voice mail messages and greetings. Is that not the case?
Chris, how loud is the machine, as you were testing with the box right next to you and the laptop??
Great video. Do you happen to know if the UDM SE will detect my existing Amplifi Router and mesh devices?
Do you have a video that shows how to upgrade/replace an older UDM pro with another UDM pro or UDM se so that all your networks, Ssids, firewall rules etc etc are transferred? Hopefully its an easy and seamless process
Backup & Restore Processes of the network controller and/or protect is the same as with all other unifi devices. The Main requirememt is to have the same or higher Controller Version on the target side. Backup and restore procedures can be found on UI Support pages. To be on the save side I also suggest to Backup your SSH password from the original in case you need it for troubleshooting.
Was the fan any louder at idel and under load vs the UDM Pro to support the POE?
Thanks.
Hi Sir, is UDM SE support 'distributed' mode load balancing? Or only 'failover' mode?
10:07 this 🙌
I wanted this because it has 2 hard drives. What I want to know is if your large HD fails. Will the internal storage take over without user intervention?
Considering whether or not se is worth the upgrade for gigabit plus speeds… Is it possible on the udm pro (not se) and use the spf port to receive gigabit and above through wan? That sounds cheaper and easier for those that don’t care about poe ports on the udm pro itself.
I wish UDM Pro supported Concurrent Dual Wan and not just failover. Does the SE have different support?
Hi! Given that I already have a UniFi PoE switch and a UNVR with UniFi Protect application for cameras, so I won't use the PoE ports on the UDM SE nor the HDD slot, is it worth buying a UDM SE over the UDM Pro? Or is the UDM Pro enough?
Does the UDM SE have any other improvements over the UDM Pro? Such as build quality or something else worth considering?
Chris, I also just got our first UDM SE, and the setup was pretty smooth, except that for whatever reason, I also decided to do UID at the same time. I am thinking this was a big mistake, because since setting up all of the UID basics on the site and then tying it to the UDM SE, my test network is less stable than a 2400bps modem connection. My primary workstation is on 10G to a Flex XG and then to the UDM SE. It feels like the workstation is having to fight to connect to anything. I really want to find a way to extricate the entire UID mess for now, but am worried that since it is tied to the UDM SE, I run the risk of it making an even bigger mess of this. Have you, or do you know anyone that has successfully backed out of a UID installation?
BTW: I think Robert Webbe suggested that Ubiquiti does not have 10G sfp+ to copper adapters, but I actually have a pair of them at the other office. They, as most do, run extremely hot, but they work just fine. I can test it as a WAN interface on either the UDM Pro or UDM SE, if you would like?
Did they also finally fix the problem with the 1G Ethernet Wan Port dropping connections unless you put a switch inbetween?
Can you replace the kingston SSD with a bigger one so you dont need a drive?
Great video as always! My addition is fueled by by you so you're my dealer of a sorts. I won't do the upgrade, I have Spectrum 920mbs so don't see the advantage and have the switches for poe. I am fighting demons here because I still want. S need.
quick question if I have a cdm pro se at my house and my friend just bought one I like my configuration can I backup my settings and then restore it on the other one and just tweek it a bit.
Might be a silly question but with the advanced firewall settings of the UDM-SE do you still need to install anti-virus software on your desktop? Not that I really need to but I don't like having programs eating resources if I don't need them.
So, it's the internal SSD or the hard drive on the bay, but not both? would be interesting to use the SSD to store starred videos like an dash cam would.