Decoding the Rarest 1969 Camaro Z/28 Documents in the World!
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- Опубликовано: 18 ноя 2023
- Join us as we shed light on the secrets and mysteries surrounding this legendary piece of automotive memorabilia. Discover the unparalleled rarity of the 1969 Camaro Z/28 and immerse yourself in the fascinating journey of uncovering the hidden secrets behind this remarkable treasure. Whether you're a die-hard muscle car aficionado, a Camaro enthusiast, or simply curious about the world of classic automobiles, this video is a must-watch.
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I just discovered your channel. I bought a brand new Z/28 in July of ‘69. I still own it. I therefore know the paint is original,the engine is original and all the history of the car. It is burgundy with white seats and black dash. Lots of people want to buy it but they think they can get it cheap. It has a lot of sentimental value to me also. I was 19 and my dad had to sign the loan for me but I made every payment .
Nice car, awesome story!
Did you look on the valance for the stickers Parker mentioned?
You are smarter than I was at 18. My first car at age 17 (1975) was a 1969 Dodge Charger. I paid $1,200 for it and sold it in June of 1976 for $1,000. I still have the bill of sale. Biggest mistake of my life was selling that car.
@@TC-eo5eb I had 4 cars I wish I still had, and would kick my own butt yearly if I could for letting them go. '69 Charger would of been #5 if I'd of had one, '73 SE was the only Charger I owned.
Wow that's so amazing love it I have a 68 nova that shows all signs of a ss ,but I don't have the original engine . I've had the car 20+ years . Grew up with my dad's 68 nova 80s build race car . It was a factory big block car , I still have it but it's just a shell now Dream one day to build it back
Cool story
Great video, and this young guy doesn't even have a trace of arrogance or ego issues either! Very refreshing in today's world!!!
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He’s awesome 👏!
You’re correct I think that is what I like most about his channel
My best friend and I were driving to Austin on I-35. He see's the top of a car in high grass along the highway.
Says to me "that's a camaro", I'm like, it's just the top of a car.
We go back and sure enough it is a Camaro. A 1969 Z28 (original DZ 302 with 202 heads in the trunk) that had been rolled in a drag race. He bought it, we restored it in his garage.
Took us 3 years....that is the most fun car I've ever driven.
The brake valve on the subframe was not installed until January of '69..I have a "12B" Z/28 car, 1st week of X codes...and it does not have the subframe valve...•"For 69, the valve was generally used on 12-bolt axle applications, except for JL8 equipped cars (which had disc brakes in the rear and didn't need the valve). As noted above, the 69 NOR Z28's did not use it until mid-year, in the late January / early February timeframe. Other exceptions in 69 include: some SS's and LM1's have been observed without the valve, and the valve has been observed on some drum brake 10-bolt axle cars."
Yes and i believe that that it was a surge valve to prevent rear drum brake lockup under heavy braking.
So are you saying that a 12 bolt rear and rear disc brakes were an option on the Z-28 and not Standard?
@@mindblownwatcher8536 Yes...the car had a tendency to lock up the rear brakes and the rear end of the car would swing around causing a spinout. The valve prevented this from happening.
Why does my 11D (1968) have this valve? Rare prototype , I believe?
@@jamesbalke9981 There are always exceptions...and unless you have owned the car since Day 1...it is always possible that it was added.
The '69 RS/Z-28 is of great interest to me. I was glued through this whole video. We cruised around in one in 1972. It had 28K miles on it. I was only 16. The owner just got back from a tour in Viet Nam. To this day, that car still blows my mind how fast it got up to 145 mph. We got a ticket doing 90 in a 25. Driver was nuts. Did I mention the burnouts ? Mom was not impressed by my friends' departure when I got dropped back off at home.
I still remember, back in the early '90s, I got a set of 1970 Chevelle buckets for my car at the time from a Chevelle "bone yard". Some time later, I decided to replace the seat covers, so I removed the plastic rear covers from the buckets. One of them still had the broadcast sheet under the seat springs. I removed it and was amazed that my seats were originally from a 1970 Chevelle SS 454 convertible. Blue with white interior, LS5 motor, M22 4 speed that was originally sold through Roger Penske Chevrolet. I kept the build sheet, and still have it as a keepsake.
Have you thought about trying to find the car that it came from? That would be a VERY valuable piece of paper if that car still existed!!! That's one cool story though man, I enjoyed reading it.
@@TheVenom8343 This was back in 1990 or 91, the front buckets were removed by the business and kept inside, so they were in good overall condition. I never did see the car they came from, but since this place was a yard specializing in classic Chevy, in New England where rust is king, it was either sold somewhere along the line to someone else or what was left of it was too far gone to save.
This was one of the most interesting decoding exercises I've ever seen. It's great to get honest opinions. Saying that nobody will ever know for sure if it was an original black car is super honest despite all of the evidence that it probably was. Great car, too!
A real black car wouldn't have a special paint code black was a standard coler
Not that year is what he said. @@darrellsomers5427
@@darrellsomers5427 He made it clear that "black" was not offered on a standard order Z28. Therefore, "black" would have had to have been a "special paint code". What about that don't you get?
Black was discontinued as a color in 68. It had to be special ordered.@@darrellsomers5427
growing up i loved all 3, worked for a salvage yard from 14-21 and built tons of cars over that time.. but I must say your knowledge of the codes, markings, location is truly amazing especially for a younger man. That kind of knowledge usually comes with decades of experience.. and the fact that you share your knowledge makes you generous as well.. thank you very much for showing all the little things that go into verifying a DZ, RS, SS...
Amazing that someone knows so much about these cars! It’s like taking a trip back to ‘69. Awesome man!
Balls of steel for an owner to go through such a intense examination of your car. Bravo to owner and the expert.
Once again Parker awesome content, you'll be the Patrick Glenn Nichols of Z28's keep up the great work.
We need that!
Great video Parker. Great information, your honesty and knowledge is impressive. keep the videos coming. early Z28 are very rare. i like flat hood cars
Always impressed with how knowledgeable Parker is. Amazing with all the details.
Regarding the left front fender, Dupont acrylic lacquer will "craze" (per Dupont) when repainted if not stripped to the metal and primered; been then several times and hard to deal with.
I recall that for whatever reason GM did not want to build black Z28's. My Dad had a friend who was a GM mechanic at the time and when he ordered his 69 Z28 GM internally did not want to sell him a black one. They finally told him it was possible and took his order. they then told him they couldn't do it, but they would ship the car in primer and the dealer would paint it. He told them he didn't want that and for them to cancel his order. They finally told him they would build it and I remember he had ordered this car in January, and it took a LONG time to get and was almost Halloween buy the time it arrived. It was an all-black 4 speed car and pretty sharp.
Great video..
Really good to hear all of the variables that were available back then
My old 69 Z28 had a build date of September 68. It was a Norwood build and had the X33 tag, and the holdover 68 spoiler. It had many extremely rare options for a Camaro let alone a Z28.
Great learning video. According to the paint, keep in mind that in those days, there is no clear coated paint job at the factory. I think the acrylic material was the norm back then. As a former car painter, it is easy to check if the paint is a modern respray or a factory paint. Just gently wet sand a hidden area of the car and check the color of the sanding paper. If colored, that means no cleared. If no color appears, that means clear coated. It can be also checked by just using a cutting polish compound. If the "cotton" is colored, no clear coated etc.. Keeping the good work and I like how cool this video is made with a lot of passion and enthusiasm.😉👍👍
Kiki from Paris France.
Great review on this beautiful - and very rare '69 Z/28. You are obviously very knowledgeable on early gen Camaros. Keep up the reviews!
One thing I was hoping to see was a matching VIN on the Muncie. Back in the day, many Muncies were blown up at the race track, and replaced rather than rebuilt. This Z/28 was raced, so it would be interesting to see if the original tranny survived.
Thanks again for taking the time to create this great evaluation.
EVERY MAN LOVES A CORRECT CAR!!
GOOD JOB. 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍
Great job decoding the broadcast sheet, thanks to you and the owner for showing us the beautiful Z/28. As far as the paint he could dig a little deeper and look inside the doors, under the dash, trunk etc. and see if there is any other color than the black. Although not impossible to remove or hide another color the car would almost certainly have to be completely striped if somebody was trying to hide the previous color.
Great stuff! Awesome car! My plain 67 was repainted and the cowl shows the original Ermine White under. I worked at a GM assembly plant in the mid Eighties and the Broadcast sheet was on all the carriers(hooks) that came along the line. I was just an oil sander and never needed to look at or understood them. Great info Parker ! Hope to see you at the Nationals at the Classic auto mall next year.
Great video. I love the 69 Camaro, my favorite car of all time. I wish I never sold mine, not a Z28. I've never seen broadcast sheets so that was interesting as you walked through all the codes. Very interesting & cool video.
Well done young man. I’m an old dude, so I really appreciate your genuine desire for truth and accuracy. Excellent scouring of the vehicle for code/date/factory availability verification! You remind me a lot of Patrick Glenn Nichols and his LS6 Chevelle verifications. 👊🙏👊
Appreciate all of your content for all of the Camaro Owners! Thanks!
I love the de coding of the numbers , awesome stuff.
Nice job Parker dissecting all of the "numbers"
Thanks much for advancing the "decoding" of these now rare, and often much altered over the years Z/28s.
As a person that was a young man avidly into street racing "back in the day," I can contribute some observations of minor relevance, at least from a Midwest perspective. From late '67 to '73-ish, Z/28s were a relatively commonly observed car on the muscle car scene. I think because Camaros were most popular, the price was within reach of many young men, the rugged, Hi-Perf parts & looks ticked all the enthusiast boxes, and made the cars rather durable in often less than professionable hands, the SBC had much familiarity among enthusiasts, and, VERY IMPORTANTLY, 290 hp/ 302 cid didn't alarm then rather naive insurance companies as the larger displacement/hp options (even "SS" designation), meaning manageable cost premiums.
It was back then a common thing for guys to polish those factory "dull" valve covers; shine & chrome were popular underhood "looks". While polished valve covers weren't "factory", they could well be the same covers that came with the car.
While I agree a repaint can often be detected in the engine compartments or door jamb, behind the dash pad & instrument panel is usually conclusive, unless the body has been acid dipped in a the process of a total restore, itself its own kind of reveal.
Very nice video. Nice to have the original paper work , adds value to your vehicle for sure. I will be doing a video on a corvette tank sticker in the future. Thank you for taking the time to make and post.
Wow !! That was awesome !!! What a treat . That’s the only time I’ve seen a black car broken down to the build sheet proof !! Love this !! Congrats and thanks for bringing this to the channel . Thanks to the owner as well being such a down to earth fella
Fantastic find. Thanks to everyone for getting this together.
I find your videos very informing I have a 1969 SS/RS I’m restoring and it’s nice to understand what all them numbers mean. Mines a big block car 396, 325. Tag says it was a Olympic gold car.
Another great informative piece documenting a real Z. I know a lot about Gen 1 Camaros, but I learned a hell of a lot.
Thanks
This is fascinating I love info like this -thanks
Okay, I'm impressed by your knowledge. I've only seen two of the originals and one is buried in a junkyard In my hometown because of a horrific crash that took the life of a special friend that lost control of the vehicle from a holeshot that was under estimated of the unbelievable power of such a beast. Brings good and bad memories back but would love to have a well documented Z that's in this immaculate condition. Thanks for sharing.
Great video....very interesting all the de-coding to watch.
Absolute wealth of knowledge. Wow!
Great video from one of the best channels. I have been watching from the beginning and you get better and better. Which says a lot because you did a great job since day 1. You can’t fake the passion and knowledge. And to have that and still be humble says a lot. Great job!!
You earned another subscriber with this video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with such good grace.
What a wealth of knowledge. Thanm you for sharing.
No Question/hands down: This is the VERY BEST DOCUMENTATION OF AN EARLY 69' Z! This is my car buying/street racing late teen Era! I was racing against these! With a special 68.5 GTA 302 HYDRAULIC SPECIAL BUILD PRELIMINARY TO THE BOSS 302 69' BOSS 302 MUSTANG! IT WAS ALWAYS CLOSE. Thank you, J
One of the best channels on the internet Parker, definitely the best Camaro info. Thank you for sharing all your videos.
No oil drippers in the valve covers are 1969 only like the ones on the engine you pulled the valve cover off. 😎🏁
Also you can remove a door sill plate and lift the carpet to see if any other color is visible. The wire sill covers usually have over spray on them from GM.
You've got to give him credit, he examines them carefully. He doesn't automatically assume that they are what they claim to be, which is a real good thing.
What an awesome breakdown. Too cool that its still pretty much original.
I have a 1973 Mustang Grande and had no idea it is a one of two because of bummer guards.
The owner of the Z28 must be feeling pretty blessed. Good for you 🍻✌
Wow you got yourself a gem of a car....
What outstanding knowledge of my most favorite car in the entire world!!!! I owned two 69 Camaro's in the past but never a z28.
Parker you are the best at explaining everything really knowlegable on these Camaros. 😊 subscribed up and have some catching up to do on episodes I haven't watched yet.
Good evening. I had a great time watching this one. I love learning new things and this one sure did that. Years back I had the great privilege of doing some work on a '67 Z-28 for the original owner. What a great car. We are mostly into Oldsmobile "W" Machines and have gone through some decoding and authenticating of these cars on our channel and they've been a ton of fun.
Keep the data coming !!
-steve
First off any 1st gen Camaro, let alone a Z/28, that was built in Tuxedo Black is a rather rare beast as production numbers by color put them between 5%-9% in total.
Great video! Thank you for sharing your vast knowledge!
Watching this young man decode this information is fascinating. He's a walking Camaro encyclopedia. 🧐
One of my best friends had a 1969 RS convt, the Pace Car edition. White with orange stripes and the orange houndstooth interior.
Had the induction hood, 350 4-speed I believe. Such a fun car. His family bought it new in the spring of 1969, and he ended up being the 2nd in the hand-me-down line. He took it over in early '74. A little TLC and a paint correction was all it needed, and it was beautiful again 😍 He kept it till the '80's, then sold. Who knew? 🤷🏼
Watching this, it seems like a good paint meter would clear up some paint questions that crop up on these cars.
I had a real dz69 z28. Mine too was an rs. I miss it so much. So sorry I didn't hang on to it. I really enjoyed this video. Great job. Soo much information. The 69 z28 to me was absolutely the best ever. Thanks again for this video.
Very fun and informative video to watch. Keep them coming.
Really, really enjoyed this video..... Every second was a learning curve.... Thank You.....Parker.....
That was excellent. I love the knowledge/details you share. Thanks Parker
Wow! What a great vid (and car)
Very detailed and earnest.
I enjoyed every minute of it.
Thanks!
Love all your knowledge!!!
Another great video Parker. A wealth of knowledge
Very good video. Parker is very knowledgeable
Shouldn't the 186 casting heads on the original DZ 69 302 have screw in studs and guide plates? I know the 1970 LT-1 350 had them, and that was essentially a longer stroke 302, with a 3.48" stroke forged steel large journal crankshaft, had a different solid lifter camshaft, and possibly a slightly different intake and carb. Those same 186 head castings were used on the 69 295-300HP 350, and possibly other engines. In this application the castings were machined for 1.94 and 1.5 valve sizes. In the Z28 302 and LT-1 350 applications, the castings were machined for 2.02 and 1.6 valves, and part of that was they had a radius cutter applied intersecting the outside of top cut of the intake valve seat, running all the way to the deck surface, to unshroud the larger intake valves.
Beautiful car
Very Interesting, Thanks!
Wow!! This is so cool to learn about! Thank you!
The valve covers are correct for both the Corvette and Z28; however, the have been over polished.
This car seems to be what it's represented as...Standard rear gear for a Z/28 would be 3.73,that's not saying that it couldn't be ordered with 3.31's...Great video!
it would have been a real dog with 3:31.s.I'm sure it wasn't raced with those gears in it. yes 3.73 was standard
The Block is a Conterfit, The Id Number area is the top of the block & you could Always see the circular machine marks from the factory with the final Machining. I was a Car Painter for Dick Lang's Chevy from 1967 to 1971, Dick Langs 67 Z' that was Black with Whites stripes, like all of them I ever knew of, was the one we made his Race Car out of. If there was a Dash or Special on ID Tag, it wasn't Black or a Standard Color. A friend of Dick Lang bought a loaded one in 1969 & except for the Cowl Induction Hood that I painted & put on latter that wasn't availible at the start of the run, it had every Option including the fiber optic indicators for front & rear lights like they put on Caprises.. It had a not used without Special COPO Order a light blue metallic but, it was a standard color availible on other models so it had a code & the 69's never had the Big Spoilers, Never. On 1970 Z's was when you could get a Small or Big Spoiler.. Just loke at Pencske, Donahue 69 Z tace cars, if a Big Spoiler was availible, it would have been on their Rac Cars..Total Bull Shit Video FYI.. Bob Evans was a friend of Dicks father Fred Lang & bought all his Baby Blue Delivery Truck there. He bought his wife a new 67 Chev Taxi Cab with one cheap option, an AM Radio, Bob squeezed every penny. She took a fender out & it was what I latter called Bob Evans Baby Blue. It's ID Tag said Special, I couldn't find the color code in my paint / chip book, the paint store acoss the street couldn't find a Chevy color so I called Bob Evans. He said the was the color of his first New Delivery Truck, a 1950 Chevy Pick-up...
Very interesting. My Z was built in October of 68. It did not have a front and rear spoiler. I bought it used in summer of 69. So I added them. I sold the car years ago. My best friend bought a 69 SS new. He sold it and years later was able to buy it back. It is almost all original. Your knowledge of the options is fantastic. Both of us were part of the founders of the West Michigan Camaro Club
Nice content...loved the commentary and knowledge
I also have a 1969 SS 350 Camaro that has front disc brakes and a 12 bolt rear end without the proportioning valve on the subframe under the drivers side door .
Great info. Thanks.
Very good video information here. I was unaware of the tabs welded under the trunk lid signifying it was an original spoiler car. I knew about the bigger torsion rod though. It would be nice to know where that one and other broadcast sheets were put inside the car at the factory, even though most were thrown out, like you said. Have you seen that most X3 or X7 markings on rear seat back supports were in white or yellow or some other color.?
Great knowledge! Keep up the Good Work!
very informative for camaro z/28 owners good job
Great video keep em coming
Just found and watched .
This young man obviously knows his stuff
Super cool to watch
Awesome 😎👍
Very cool when I was younger we had several 67 69 cars love the contents thanks so much
Awesome video
Awesome video… thanks buddy…
Excellent. I wish I could watch a decoding of a 68Camaro. Great job.
Get yourself a Camaro white book. It’s easy to do yourself.
good info, the left fender may have been repainted at the factory before it left, i worked at a chevy dealer in '75 and we got a lot of repaired new cars delivered to us, the crazing looks like air dried lacquer would as it aged different from the original sprayed paint, i believe his car was black from the factory.
Thank you for the Video Sir, wish I still had mine.
Awsome video and car, very informative 👍
Great insight. Keep it up. I know Z28 are hard to verify.
Great Job.
Good episode. Learned alot
Dude I like watching your videos you're good at what you do keep it up man
Great video !!
Great job Parker
I would say it's a real black car all its life
Great info for sure! I was never lucky enough to come across a 69 Z28 but went through (4) SS cars, with one being a RS option with power windows. Pre-internet days, it was hard to know how to authenticate them, but being back in the day before anyone ever thought of cloning them, I'm certain they were the real deal.
Spectacular!!!
When i first started following you a couple years ago, i thought you were some "know it all, smart ass kid" and im not partial to eating crow but as time has gone by, i have been so educated by you and an soninpressed evertime i see you rubbing ekbows with the big boys sn cant name them all but sooo many look up to you and your knowledge and i must add myself to those names and if you need to ask me any questions.....of course om trying to be a smartass,. You are incredible and im impressed everytime i see you and your dcumentations. Thank you for the knowledge snd now i can make it look like i know something but i couldnt do it without watching your shows. Thank you man and i will always be imoressed with everything you say and unguess while inwas sleeping, you eere studying and it shows . Thank you.
Good work here! Keep the hobby alive.
Great Video
There's actually one 1969 Z-28 that's a convertible that is probably the rarest but I love the color combo of this Z.
That would be a 1968 z-28 convert. Not 69
68 z28 convertible was Built for Pete Estes
Yes@@kennymarks2283
I believe he was referring to the actual documents specifically and not the car itself. Know what I mean? Not the rarest car, but extremely rare documents remaining in the presence of the actual car these rider documents followed through the production process. Very cool to have such a rare level of completeness of documentation right down to the rider sheets that everyone that built the car most definitely handled along through its production cycle. 👍🏻😎👍🏻
Impressive!!!
Thats a NOR Norwood car. beyond easy to decode. I had an early 68 z/28 RS that had a VN vin, not LOS or NOR....It was VN. Van nyes. I believe it's the rarest 69 z28 period. Mass options, liquid tire chain. deluxe interior, .Cortez silver, flat hood, narrow rear spoiler. Sold new Renton Wa. I acquired it $1000 WITH 48k miles on it missing a blown engine. I yanked a bunch of godies off it for my other z/28 and moved it along for $4k a few months later, all in the eighties.
Awesome
The rear bumperettes came as part of the F40 handling package, which came standard on the Z28. Which is also why some other Camaros have them.
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