fanfiction is art now? | the fanfiction to published book pipeline
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intro - 00:00
a word from our sponsor - 01:52
in defense of fanfiction - 03:45
fanfic is cringe? - 07:35
published fanfiction - 10:15
the published fanfic timeline - 13:15
published fanfic sells - 20:09
the problem - 23:44 
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Okay but almost all of Shakespeare's work is just Greek mythology fanfiction
fair enough
And Roman history.
Shakespeare quarrels with the Greeks, and the Elizabethan stage is a very different form from the ancient theatric form.
But yeah, you aren't wrong exactly 😅
romeo and juliet was inspired by an italian poem, and hamlet by a danish legend i think lol
He took stories from all cultures smh
everyone knows the 500,000 word fanfic was all the young dudes and it was amazing. i cant and wont take criticism on this
same
I actually didn't know so you saved me the embarrassment of having to ask.
Thank you 😂💗
It’s surprising because I want to read it but nowadays it looks like atyd is really hated by the fans now and they say it’s problematic so I don’t know whether to read it or not ://
@@clover2739 omgggg noooo don’t listen to them!! please read it but be careful bc it follows canon so anything beyond 1981 is kinda sad :/
@@carolinabustamante1212 I tried to read it once but I was thrown off with Remus’ completely different backstory and he seemed too out of character to me but I think I just need to ignore that and push on with it
one of my professors at my university specializes in fanfiction and fan culture. I took a class on Sherlock Holmes and we talked at length how that fandom was, more or less, the birth of modern fan culture. It was fascinating! I really appreciate your nuanced take toward fanfiction and its accessibility, because yeah fanfiction is kind of ass but. maybe I'm an ass girl
omg yes! I did my english minor thesis on Sherlock Holmes because of the insane fan culture it had in victorian england! and the chokehold the BBC reboot had on teen girls was SOMETHING
SO FASCINATING yes! i love discussions about sherlock and pre-internet fandom, like truly this kind of culture has been around so much longer than people realize.
i did a module like this too! we talked about how fandom culture was born out of sherlock holmes and star trek / 'trekkies'
“ yeah fanfiction is kind of ass but. maybe I'm an ass girl” is an AMAZING line 😂😂😂😂
That fadom is so gross though. Its a prime example of hetero woman and how they fetishize gay men. I feel like the first big one was star trek and then xfiles. I know the term shipper came from the xfiles.
all i know is that harry needs to start suing this fanfic writers lmao
truly
i know youre saying this in a joking manner but dude i actually kinda love to imagine like what if he tried. like. can you even imagine how big of a legal mess trying to sue the concept of RPF fic would be? probably a bigger mess than the omegaverse incident 💀 like i can imagine lawyers struggling in a courtroom to explain what RPF actually is
He blocked the lady that wrote After
@@GraveyardShift-tl6ri it would be so chaotic lmao
@@ingrydjorgensen8110 as he should
I think fanfics tend to get a bad reputation that's not always deserved. Sure, a lot of it is cringe and poorly written. But a lot of it is pretty great. I literally just read a fanfic last night that made me sob because I felt myself represented in the MC's insecurities. It's unfortunate that a lot of people write off fanfiction because they could enjoy it if they searched and found one that speaks to them.
oh fanfic can be so good or at least FUN
I have had an amazing experience with fanfiction personally, I read it constantly and haven’t read a fic that I thought was bad in so long. I’ve read plenty of fics that are both book length and extremely high quality, fanfiction is treated like it’s almost always awful or cringey, but I feel like that might just depend on what you’re looking for and/or the fandom you’re in.
It's also not always even remotely smutty at all, too. 😅😅🙃🤭😂
I mean fluff and/or general fics also exist.🤣🤣🤣
you say this but i bet the first tag says fisting
I read a super long one about parenthood that made me cry my eyes out and understand my parents better. I read one about grief and one about coming out, and many about found families. Some had such good writing it made me wonder if the writer would ever get published. Sadly it's often the terrible ones that get adapted...
YOU SHOULD START A PODCAST!!!! Id listen to it whole heartedly because I love listening to your thoughts and opinions.
omg thank you! i want to soooon
THATS THE BEST SUGGESTION EVER YESSSS
I would listen THE FUCK out of the podcast
Yes this this this!
@@uncarley yayy
"after, by anna todd, and wuthering heights are technically both books in the same way that i now pronounce you chuck and larry and shawshank redemption are also both movies" is what i'm taking away from this, and i'll be repeating this phrase endlessly
im a philosopher
Inspirational, really.
I now pronounce you chuck and Larry is also a bad remake of an old Australian drama called strange bed fellows
I don't get it
I think part of the reason why published fanfiction is often "bad" is the fact that it's taken out of context. A fanfiction author knows that their readers are fans of the original work, so they don't need to establish the characters at the beginning of their story, because their readers are already familiar with them. Its a totally different kind of media to published novels because of that, and taking it out of context (by changing the names for e.g.) often results in characters that feel boring or underdeveloped, because they don't get presented enough to a reader who doesn't know them yet.
Carley really said "In this essay I will explore the ethics of fanfiction and why published fanfiction sells" and I love that
my professor era
what's the deal with mr harry styles being the muse of literally every fan fic?
he is everyones muse
Un cut jams
he is the blueprint
hes secretly apollo
he's basically the dream of every woman growing up in 2010
Also for real, when you're seeing some shady ass unhealthy toxic relationship on AO3 there's tags! There's a system in place to let you know what you're getting into. But when a fanfiction gets its numbers filed off and becomes a book that's marketed to the average young woman, the context is so different.
But, concerning fanfiction: Yes, most of it is... not great (to put it nicely) BUT there are some very good ones out there. Like, there's a reason why we joke about not being able to finish a single book sometimes but can read 40.000+ words worth of ff in one evening. And yeah, usually you can tell if someone is a writer after reading, like, 10 sentences. I happened to find real talents on AO3, whose work I would gladly publish if I had any impact.
AO3 is elite
Couldn’t agree more. I’ve read so many genuinely BRILLIANTLY written fics that I wish I had on my book shelf. I’ve got a lit degree and can confidently say I’ve read fic on A03 that brought more emotion than half the literary canon.
@@floatwiththesticks Don't be shy, give us naaaames
Have I read bad fan-fiction? Yes. But I’ve also found straight up artists. Wordsmiths. A few geniuses. And, honestly, most of the ff I read now is better written than most published books. (But I vet what I read through groups and recommendations, so I easily avoid the worst.) These days, I think ff is drawing from a more intelligent pool than it gets credit for.
i say this all the time, there’s one specific author within a fandom i’m in who literally writes better than 90% of published authors
"Instead of being a fascist he's just grumpy, and instead of being cousins... They're not" the way I SNORTED
fanfiction gets such a bad rep. People are so set on making fun of it and calling it cringe they don't see why its so popular. why its so important. fanfiction IS art. It allows people of all ages, all backgrounds, to enjoy themselves with as much or as little effort as they want, with whatever tropes and cliches they want without the restrictions of publishing a real book or pleasing what the majority want. You get to share your work and get inspired by a huge community of people, readers and writers like yourself, and you get to improve and discover things about yourself and your interests. Fanfiction has always been and will always be art, because it is created without profit in mind and is a way to express yourself and who you are or want to be or don't want to be to the world. No matter if its the most beautifully written piece if literature or a one direction adoption oneshot. you write what you're passionate about, and that's the beauty of it. because it's *not* published literature.
cringe is dead, fan culture lives
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The problem is when fanfics get *published* . Fanfics are amateurish, straight up based on a franchise, made by people as a hobby, not original literature. There's a difference. Fanfiction shouldn't get bad rep but imho it shouldn't be published and sold. Wattpad and AO3 exist for a reason...
@@SheHulk-jg2jc 100%. I write fanfictions, some of which are pretty long and get a lot of reads on AO3, but part of the appeal for me is that it's low-stress. I don't have to worry about being perfect and catering to an audience. I'm studying a field completely unrelated to writing/the arts, so I use fanfiction to write for fun without putting the pressure of writing a publishable work on myself.
I NEED a colleen hoover deep dive/ hot take. ive been thinking about the rise of anti-intellectualism disguised as accessibility and i wonder if you have any thoughts
There is a RUclipsr called Caleb and he has some funny hot take videos on it maybe you’d enjoy :)
can you tell me more about how colleen hoover connects to anti-intellectualism / accessibility discourse?
I'm haunted by the knowledge of the 'after' series by Anna Todd
same sister
SAME OMG
same i watched the first 3 movies with friends and it was HARROWING
“FOCKING TREVAH!?” 😦
after you know about after you'll never be the same
Dante's inferno was fanfiction. So was the After series. There's RANGE!!
I love jokes but Im also begging you all to learn a new word called 'folklore' instead of fanfic
The way After gets a movie but the literary masterpiece that is All the Young Dudes doesn't? Crazy
That's it- that was the last straw. I'm gonna HAVE to study the fanfiction fan culture track of my sociology course in uni
jealous
"Not everything has to aim to be the height of artistic expression and say something new. Sometimes things can just be fun to consume." YES. I love analyzing and discussing literature and reading thought-provoking stories. However, sometimes I just want to read a light-hearted romance or an over-the-top fanfic. I think people sometimes forget that reading doesn't always have to be so serious. It's okay to read just for fun! The fact that people are reading at all is worth celebrating, in my opinion.
Fanfiction actually got me into reading, and I think therapy
let’s talk about how Olivie Blake, who wrote THE ATLAS SIX, is a prolific dramione fanfic writer
wait I'm litterally reading this atm and I DID NOT KNOW THIS 😭😭
the whole character cast is so dramione fanfiction coded as well, its insane. every dramione fanfic reader who also read the books after reading the first chapter was like "oh ok I know who Draco, Hermione and 4 other characters are supposed to be" lmao
Wait a minute, the atlas six is cruel and beautiful world?
there are so many quality dramoine fics 😭 like i to this day believe a legendary dramoine writer every Thursday is out there publishing books because she was so better at writing than some books I've read recently on the behest of booktok (not Colleen hoover and yet...)
@@bisma1352 idk if this is about this author but Cleotheo is the best Dramione fic writer ever. Every year I literally go on a binge of their fics because they're so good at writing and I will never stop reading and rereading their stories.
Actually currently I'm rereading Rising Pheonix as in its literally open up on my phone and I was just taking a break to watch this lol.
I wonder? Are you talking about Cleotheo or someone else because if it is someone else tell me please who it is.
I had to go read the Chris Evans GQ article just now. What a cultural artifact that I had no idea existed.
its culture
as a lesbian most encounters i've had with fic are incredible, especially 10 years ago when there was hardly anything sapphic for teenagers to read. faberry and swan queen fic writers carried the sapphic community for years and some of those were extremely talented. i still read villaneve fic today because ao3 offers a pretty rare platform, even in 2022, where queer people write about queer people for other queer people. there's nothing weird or performative about it and it just feels much more real than a lot of the source material and general sapphic media. i think about that a lot, but what i just realized because of this video is that the majority of fanfic that gets published is overwhelmingly heterosexual, which just seems very typical to me. queer people are gonna have to keep tweaking the canon a bit longer i guess, because as much as we move forward, apparently straight people are just many steps ahead of us regardless lol,,, kinda sad but ok, i'll take the milf film any day
also i want to hear all about warrior cats
Swan Queen was my home for real… SO. MANY incredible fics that I devoured
Probably cause they’re the majority
Not going to lie, I read Fanfictions who truly are masterpieces of literature…very few and they are never the ones that get adapted into publishing books ( because they expend and use distinct universes the are set in which makes it harder to adapt then a sloppy Twilight BDSM AU !)
I could name probably 25 dramione fan fics that are ART. I know that’s a controversial pairing but it brings talented authors out of the wood works fr.
@@hannahb.375 Oh don’t worry there is a reason Dramione is my jam !
I think what people forget about fanfiction is that they are not going through the process of publishing. There are not professional editors (beta readers and editors do exist in the fanfic realm but I don't think it's to the same degree as traditionally published novels) and so it is even more impressive when you come across an incredible fanfiction because it mostly came from one individual.
Some of the best fics are the ones where they are like no beta but turns out it didn't matter because it was beautifully and meticulously written from start to finish and you can just see the passion the writer had throughout for the story, for the fandom and it is just amazing to see.
i was one of the people that called anna todd out before her books were published and got blocked. when it was announced she’s be the first wattpad promoted author to be published, i’m pretty sure her feed was flooded with more people opposing it. she literally doesn’t care. matter of fact, she lied about her age and pretended to be an 18 year old, even posting fake update posts about essays she had due in school, etc etc. We only found out she was 25-27 with a husband deployed in iraq when she was finally being published. she’s an odd woman
I definitely didn't know The Love Hypothesis was a reylo fanfic when I picked it up, nor have I been in the reylo fandom, I picked it up because it was marketed as a romance and also in science
oh god not to make this about me but im 11 weeks preggo and single as of last night and you posting a video right now just saved me from crying to sad house rain mixes all morning. thank you
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Congratulations, may the higher power you believe in keep you and your baby safe and healthy. xoxo🫶
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I used to write self-insert fanfic in high school and then I made friends with a bunch of male nerds who made fun of me, and I couldn’t tell you if I stopped because it wasn’t fun anymore or because I wanted them to take me seriously
Highschool really sucks for that sort of thing. There was definitely a lot that I stopped doing because of being "made fun of" (ie. Bullied)
Gotta make friends with male nerds in college who don't judge you for writing fanfiction :)
I promise they're out there! Don't let toxic friends take you away from what you enjoy.
my problem with fanfiction isn’t that it’s bad or poorly written or cringe but i feel like it could be uncomfortable for the real people depicted in those fanfics especially when it’s smut, even when it’s about fictional characters they are often based on the real actors portraying those characters
emily henry's writing gives me published fan fiction vibes. I think it's a whole genre now.
The way my mind instantly went to atyd after you said 500,00 word Harry Potter fanfiction😭
i’m glad we’re all finally coming clean about the fact that every singe one of us has read all the young dudes makes me feel less alone and also a lot less silly it’s great
i was not expecting almost a half hour of deep analysis on fanfiction but it was a lovely surprise! more and more convinced i should quit everything and write some half bad story to live off the profits whilst travelling the world or something
sounds like an excellent plan tbh
honestly you would make bank
This was great. I also think it's important to note that the concept of fanfiction only starts to exist once you have copyright laws. If you look at something like the Arthurian canon, that was hundreds of writers making up their own stories to hang in the Camelot universe. Lancelot is basically a Mary Sue OC created by one guy and he eventually gets pulled in as a core character because other creators like him. Story creation was far more organic and there wasn't this ownership of "this is my world, you can't play with it". When someone says Dante's Inferno or Paradise Lost is Bible fanfic, they aren't technically wrong but it's not quite the same because nobody owns the bible and they were written at a time when it was normal to take stories and reshape them. Fanfic as a category for art only exists because we have a concept of ownership of a story. As a writer you draw inspiration from other media. The difference with fanfic is that the inspiration is stated and used as a selling point. But since the characters and world are owned you can't actually sell it so you put it online because writers want to be read.
THANK YOU 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I wonder how many best sellers are secretly fanfics that no one has figured out
literally same, last january, depressive episode, all the young dudes. one of my favorite works of literature ever, i'm not even ashamed, it was soooo good
Jane Eyre was also kind of a Fanfiction. The Author was intrested on a Character of a Jane Austen's novel and decided to write her own story about her and it is seen as a masterpiece.
I love jokes but Im begging you people to learn a new word called 'genre'
I would argue that ATYD is in fact well written literature 🙋🏼♀️ also this is yet another humble request from me that you make a review video about it🙏🏼
she said in a different video that she might do a whole marauders deep dive and my delulu self is still hoping this happens lmao
As someone who has been writing a fanfiction for 2 years and taking it as seriously as I can, this whole thing is very good for me 😈
ok ive only read the title so far but fanfiction has always been art! dante’s inferno, wide sargasso sea, antony and cleopatra (and a lot of other shakespeare works) are literally fanfiction. there’s a long history of people being inspired by other works and writing their own spin on it :)
jokes are great i love jokes, but fanfiction is a product of fandom for fans, though. some other words for your consideration the next time you come across a story that has elements of another story: 'intertextuality', 'folklore', 'national romanticism', 'critical retelling', 'historical fiction', 'satire', 'parody', 'genre conventions'
i have read fanfiction that made me feel more emotions than classic lit in english class
skill issue
It’s embarrassing but fan fiction got me into reading. I liked videogames and It was cool to read stories that amplified the universe of the games world. It was funny when I was younger but as you said I read it because of the characters and the world. When I started reading published authors there was no coming back.
For a lot of young people a gateway like that helps get them reading all the wonderful books the world has to offer. My brother has a learning disability and it took him a while but once he found a subject of books he liked, he became a reader!
I’d argue that published fanfiction dates back much farther than The Mortal Instruments. I mean, Wicked is Wizard of Oz fanfic, Jane Eyre is Pride & Prejudice fanfic, and one could even argue that Paradise Lost and The Divine Comedy are Biblical fanfiction.
The divine comedy checks all the boxes of a self-insert fanfiction, can confirm
@@RinSama02 except that it's not a product of a fandom nor intended as such. i love jokes but im beghing you all to learn more words like maybe satire, folklore, intertextuality, genre convention...
as a teenager who, is still kinda, a lover (and sigh… writer) of fanfics, i think that it’s a good start for young writers. now that being said THERE ARE AWFUL FANFICS. but the fanfics i write are ALL “i do not see this type of character in the fics i read so i’ll do it myself.” anyway!!
I just had an epiphany… I always thought that since I didn’t read that many books in middle school/ high school I’m not a “rEAL rEADER who’s always lOVED rEADING”… meanwhile I was voraciously consuming sometimes hours of fanfiction a night. Hmmm
What a great insight!
Ive read A Song of Ice and Fire fanfiction because who knows if the series will ever be finished. Some of those authors have continued from where George RR left off in Dances with Dragons, and they've done so well and kept true to the series.
I will never forget the first time I read a erotica fanfiction where the POV character was turned into a trans masc person. It was the first time I really understood why people like porn. To read about someone with a body like mine, using the language I use for my body, and them receiving pleasure without guilt really changed my perception of my self worth.
I love fanfiction, I love how it is an art form that doesn't bow to capitalism, I love how you can find what you like through tags/trigger warnings, and I love how it encourages young people to get into creative writing. There are many issues with sexualizing gay men, writing inappropriate content about real people, and other dubious stuff, but if you find the right fandoms its great. (the best fandoms tend to be fandoms that have older audiences)
I am a writer professionally, but my professional writing is technical writing. I have no desire to do creative writing professionally. But I love to write fanfiction for fun. It’s a way to keep some aspects of writing as a hobby.
I’m not writing fanfic to have fun and share with friends. And I think a lot of the other fanfic writers I interact with feel they same.
That said I’m not really a fan of fanfics turned published books. Not that I don’t know plenty of incredibly talented fanfic writers, but the ones I know personally who do write good fanfic, also write original stories and would rather publish those.
Great video!!
Yes! so many people read and write fanfic for entirely different reasons than someone who reads and writes "actual books" would
Does anyone else remember the day Zayn Malik joined Wattpad and said "I love your writings about me!" and everyone lost their shit? Good times.
The Mortal Instruments was not originally fanfic, but I understand why people think that. Cassie Cla(i)re did write a Ron/Ginny fanfiction called The Mortal Instruments, but if I remember correctly, it was a one shot that was just like, "Ron and Ginny are in love. Scandal." It was quite poorly received by the Ron/Hermione and Harry/Ginny shippers because Cassie Cla(i)re had been a Harry/Hermione shipper (she eventually gave up on it, I think) and famously hated the Weasleys. It was taken as trolling, like she was just writing about that relationship to piss them off.
I've read the original TMI trilogy, and from what I remember, it had more in common with CC's The Draco Trilogy. TDT would be hard, if not impossible, to turn into a published book because 1) the characters are still wizards and still go to Hogwarts and 2) it's full of plagiarism. Just whole passages lifted from novels, from Pamela Dean to Gene Wolfe. Not great, mate. The main characters in TDT generally map onto CC's version of Harry Potter characters (very different from Rowling's), but it's not always a 1:1 and some are true OCs. Jace is Draco, Clary is Ginny, the werewolf guy is Lupin. The context of their relationships is changed though. Ginny and Draco are not Voldemort's kids, Lupin was not a Death Eater, and so on. The plots of TDT and TMI are different, but there is overlap. TMI is not TDT, but they were written by the same person at around the same time and you can tell. I believe some on a dreamwidth anon comm went through and catalogued all of the similarities, but I'm not sure if that's still available online. I would say it's more like she could have written TMI as an AU Harry Potter fic, but instead, she just changed the names before she started writing and made it a book.
This is not alleged. I was there. I wasn't reading fanfic though. I only know Cassie Cla(i)re's business because she was always getting posted about on Fandom Wank.
yes exactly. to be more exact, the Ginny/Ron fic was named “mortal instruments” instead of “the mortal instruments”, bc Cassandra Claire had to add another little degree of separation between her Harry Potter fanfic days and being a published author
thank you so much for explaining this
i did not know any of this, thank you so much. didn‘t even ever know CC was involved in fanfic at all, mind u i didn‘t like the books much when I read them, the similarities crossed my mind but thought it was related to general HP pop culture relevance. Again thank you!
I regret buying the whole series rn😢
I bought it when I was younger but never actually got to reading it all but I'm not sure about it now. I'd have to read from the beginning as well because I can't even remember anything
I can’t believe this is how i find it you’ve read all the young dudes. also can’t believe I recognised it just by your “a 500k word, a 188 chapter harry potter fanfiction” description
this is the fanfic video i didn't know i needed. that world is indeniably fascinating, whether people like it or not. thanks for such an awesome video bestie ✨
omg thank you for saying that
This thing probably goes back further than we think - Charlotte Bronte read Emma by Jane Austen and got interested in the character of Jane Fairfax, who would have become a governess if she hadn't happened to marry so well, which gives us Jane Eyre. People just have a lot of imagination (in the case of fifty shades perhaps too much but I digress)
Fantastic video!!! You had such great points about the responsibility of publishers to not publish harmful, ab*sive literature with no thought to the effects it's having on young audiences.
it pisses me right off!
I completely agree with you! The trope of abusive, toxic boyfriends masked as "nice guys" needs to end, especially in mass media marketed to young women. It is extremely harmful and leads to young, impressionable women getting into toxic, abusive relationships that they deem healthy because that was how it was portrayed in a piece of media they consumed. It is perfectly fine to show flawed relationships (as long as they are addressing the full consequences of those flaws) but there is a certain point where flaws are no longer just flaws anymore, and a lot of this media crosses that point. The behavior that some of these characters are perpetuating is completely unacceptable and should be shown as such.
I do find it wild that there is now a Harry Styles fanfic cinematic universe (After, The Idea of You) as well as a weird TV show fanfic attempt (Happy Together, random CBS sitcom from 2019 that was just about dead on arrival). Talk about being an influential literary figure of the 21st century.
the way you talked about dumbledor was so refreshing and amazing immediately obsessed with you
Agree. Especially the bit about people like Anna Todd owing it to her readers to at least put a trigger warning.
the mortal instruments is actually ginny and draco, but she took one plotline from a ginny ron fic
Fan fiction is a great place to learn how to write, especially if you want to write Scifi or fantasy and feel intimidated by world building. You can start with practicing the basics of plot structure without worrying about character development and world building because that’s already been done. That being said, practicing with fan fiction the moving on to original stories is completely different from rewriting a fan fiction into an original story and then publishing it
I started out writing original stories before fanfiction. I’m pretty new to fanfiction. I will say it has made me gain confidence in my writing. My fanfics are based on an anthology book series and hearing other fans’ compliments has made me gain confidence in my writing.
As someone who doesn't give a rat's ass about shipping, I find it more interesting if the fanfic in question fixes the worldbuilding or at least elaborates upon it. How do the gods influence the setting? Are there any concrete rules to the seemingly "anything goes" magic? How does technology work? What is the nation the protagonists live in like? What does the life of a practicing religious person look like? Can you apply the magic seen in the series to mundane uses/technology? Etc, etc, etc, that stuff gets me going.
I think that fan fiction are the retalings of a newer generation. I think when reading was an elite form of leasure, retalings already existed but from what we call today classical woks ( the Odyssey, Shakespeare...) . There is nothing wrong with a retelling if you have something new to put on the table. The problem now is that publishing houses publish works that aren't edited, or barely and/or that aren't spell checked.
They put it out there, the fastest way possible to address our consumerism. At the end of the day if you read shit ( fan fic or not) that's your fault. Put your money where you think it counts. And mostly on authors that you love so they can keep doing what they love and so you can keep reading it. ☺️ 💕
PS: Great vid, love to ear your point of vue 😊
I think we ALL read atyd in a severe depressive episode.
have you read any rainbow rowell? i PLOWED through Fangirl recently and she manages to both write fanfic into a story about a fanfic writer … and it then spun off into a series of books of the fic from the story.
I loved Fangirl! I've reread it god knows how many times. I still haven't read the Simon Snow spinoffs, but maybe I should.
I think a loooot of less online ppl didn’t realize for a long time that some of these had fanfic origins. Fifty shades of grey specifically I think most people know about now, but plenty didn’t when it first hit shelves tbh
i can now die in peace knowing you've read atyd
hahahaha
tbh i think my views on relationships was ruined bc of after, i read it so young and i LOVED it. but now if my boyfriend isnt jealous ever im like mm he doesnt loves me. it took me a lot to change my mind
How to suppress women’s writing by Joanna Russ was an interesting read for me in the last year. It talks about the publishing industry and how they’re the gatekeepers for popular culture and how them being overwhelmingly white and male (at least in the 80s when it was published) is problematic. I’m not super into fan fiction but thanks for sharing this!!
I actually love this vid sm and the points you touch on
I'm 16 and actively read fanfics and this needed to be said
all the young dudes is a piece of art and i WILL fight anyone who'll disagree at the back of a Denny's parking lot
The way I screamed when she casually mentions the Warriors series! Brings me back
I love hearing your takes on things! I always find them super interesting, engaging, and makes myself think about the different views on things. also im going to need your full uncarley timeline video on published fan fiction lol
this was so so interesting!! i love listening to your thoughts carleyyy, please keep making video essays like this bc they are ✨immaculate✨
carley being a marauders stan made me love her even more
The fact that I know which fic u were talking about just by u saying 188chapters really through me for a loop
Love the editing & detailed information in this video, thanks girly
omg anytime bestie
have figured out that I just love listening to people talk and express their opinions so your videos are perfect 🫶🏼
I really enjoy your videos! You have such a charismatic and entertaining way of getting your points across and it's just so watchable. Thank you for all you do!
4:16 you read all the young dudes right i feel you sis
I agree that the fanfic behind it is not the reason for great sales. The just fit what people look for like with the Love Hypothisis. Fake Dating and GrumpyxSunshine are on trend right now So it just came around in the right moment. I didn't even know that it was a fanfic until I heard it months after on the Internet.
yeah, like because of tiktok and RUclips the terms enemies to lovers or fake dating etc entered mainstream consciousness. Non fic readers were better able to recognise what they liked in the nebulous genre of romance or even in non romance fiction. I remember discovering fanfiction as a teen was just that, it was usually getting drawn to side characters of a franchise that wasn't romance-centric but I wanted more of their dynamic so finding people who wrote new interactions with that in mind just was a goldmine to me.
City of bones is a Draco/Ginny fic, but Cassandra Clare had written another fic about Ginny and Ron. I really liked this book in junior high and that's the only reason I'm defending it lol
Woow, had no clue mortal instruments was Harry Potter fan fiction even less because of the cast film chose : Lily Collins Jamie Cambells were too good looking for being Harry Potter character inspiration.
this is the kind of rambling i would listen to 24/7!!! everything u say is so interesting to me, carley! podcast soon please
I feel like Cassandra Clare’s books are a bad example for this. I haven’t read the first ones in a long time but I never realized it was originally fanficion (and I do read a lot fanfiction). But like the infernal devices? That was top notch literature for me
i needed to listen to something while working and this popped up thank you carley
me too this is like my morning podcast rn lol
eeek thats exactly the vibe i wanted for this video
the comparison of after to wuthering heights is crazy especially bc in the books hardin and tessa compare themselves to catherine and heathcliff constantly
The Mortal Instruments isnt a fanfiction, it has scenes from Cassandra Claire's hp fic because she was lazy and didnt want to write new scenes so she just took scenes from her own fics
i am so shocked by the info about ginny x ron fanfic. GOD DAMN I DIDN'T KNOW THAT
if i have to know that, everyone does
the after fanfics are actually horrendous but all the young dudes is actually canon and i will die on this hill
As a trans fan of a hypothetical book deeply offended by its hypothetical author doing nothing in her hypothetical book to show any diversity at all, and then years later when she was called out on it making a bunch of cryptic remarks hinting at hidden diversity in the text, only to then years later take to Twitter and reveal all her hatred and bigotry and how she swindled an entire generation of readers--hypothetically--I wholeheartedly support fanfiction. It's not something I gravitate towards anymore personally, but it opened up so many doors for me as a kid and I love that it's still around to do it for other people.
Genuine question, but isn't almost everything ever written about the greek pantheon (Hadestown, Hades the game ect.) technically fanfiction??
shoutout to all the one direction girlies who read Dark in like 2012. to me it is the quintessential harry styles fanfic
no bc i still think about it 😭😭
triggered a buried memory for me
i don't know what to do with the information that you've read all the young dudes. you are so real
my queen pls i love u sm thank u i needed an uncarley video
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I thought this video would be more about the conversation going around about published fanfic based writers and how they have an easier time making it in the current publishing industry _because_ of how "marketable" or "trendy" fanfic is with young audiences.
I remember hearing that in an interview, a certain romance author -cough AH- basically said her editors pitch tropes and hold her hand through the whole process of writing. People were *pissed* because so many writers, especially writers of color, have such a hard time even getting their work taken seriously, and to know that someone published a fanfic and hit the jackpot is a huge slap in the face. It's sad, but ultimately I know it's more of a "hate the game, not the player" type of deal. That's just the way the publishing industry is, but being an indie author is such a grind that some people take their chances going traditional in order to make a living.
I'd love to hear what you think about that aspect of the fanfic to published book pipeline. I haven't confirmed these claims because I can't be bothered, but either way I mean no harm to anyone in particular. I just thought it was an interesting point of discussion, from the pov of someone who once wanted to be a writer.
missed your videos i'm so glad you're back !
im so happy to be back!
i know an all the young dudes reference when i hear one
fanfiction can be amazing (the 70s version of harry potter for example is better than anything the TERF could write now) or absolutely awful. yes, I was a bit of a snob about it (sometimes i still am please don't hate me). those are my thoughts.
so true jk can rot