Daria and Plastic Surgery
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- In this video, I'm analyzing season 1 episode 9 of the MTV show, “Daria”, titled “Too Cute”. We’re discussing desirability politics and plastic surgery.
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Okay yes it was unnecessarily mean and Jane was definitely out of pocket with Quinn but "What do you wanna look like her for? She needs $6000 worth of plastic surgery" was a good line
Right 😅 I’m like, she won’t be speaking to MY sister like that if I were Daria. But I had to include those clips because they are definitely funny LMAOO
It made me laugh too!
It was real though
Ngl she kinda ate🤭
But Daria knows that Quinn doesn't need $6,000 worth of plastic surgery.
I always thought the surgeon altering Daria to make her look like Quinn was a message that while you might want surgery to look like someone else, someone else might get plastic surgery to look just like you
It’s not that Quinn doesn’t acknowledge that she is the beauty standard but that she has to stay ahead of the curb. Constantly being told she’s the beautiful one makes her self-conscious to the point where she feels she has nothing more to offer.
Trust me, it wasn't just these days. Having acne was not looked favorably upon in any decade.
Oh yeah, big time. I think the difference is that decades ago, with the exception of a few products like ProActive or using some cheap foundation, there wasn't much you could do about it. Comparatively speaking at least.
being an outfit rememberer is wayyyy worse than being an outfit repeater!
A word!
lizzi maguire 😊
I'm 36, so I was a pre-teen when the show was on. I seriously cannot express how much of an impact Daria had on my self-confidence and ability to just be okay with feeling like an outsider "weirdo". The show was definitely made with a different framing than if it had been made in the present, but I love that there's still love for the show, even now 💚. I found your channel through this video, and I look forward to checking out more of your content!
Okay but hearing the line “ you’ve got the kind of looks that makes girls mentally ill you’re perfect ” from someone like Daria would truly cure my insecurity’s if I was Quinn
Fun fact: During the Romantic era (18th century Europe) many painters would choose models with aquiline noses. There are many paintings with the side profile to show it off. That’s why beauty trends are complete nonsense. One day it’ll be in and the next day it’s out. All my fellow aquiline nose folks just know that we look cute (in a good way)
Love that fun fact! And I agree it’s complete nonsense! Aquiline noses are beautiful 🥰
I think the roman nose is beautiful on anyone
Yeah, which is pretty absurd because you can't change your body every time there's a new fad.
@@alissajadyn Thank you! I loved the video btw 😊
Daria rejects the status quo because she sees little value in conformity. Quinn embraces it because she thinks conformity is the only way for her to be valued.
If you watch closely, Daria judges by actions, not affiliations or group membership, and that is a message people need today more than ever, but I'm not sure how prevalent is the mindset required to hear it.
That doctor was pretty sick to rely on vulnerable girls for money… watching this episode as a kid, I was so creeped out by the ending that mentioned Brook couldn’t breathe through her nose anymore 💀
i hate that plastic surgeons are on sm nowadays trying to be influencers and being less than subtle in implanting a sense of insecurity and suggestions of the necessity of cosmetic work into the minds of young people who are already inundated online by images of people at their absolute best, under filters, etc., completely removed from the reality of what people look like.
i think this episode captured how the entire cosmetic surgery industry is just a scam exploiting vulnerable people and their insecurities for sake of $$$. having dr shar be a woman (who also seems to have had work done) also contributes to the sense of this internalized self-destructive cycle for women and girls where we tear each other down in response to societal pressures.
thnx for the video 👍
Plastic surgery is a large umbrella term that covers a lot of things that in cases are necessary and life saving such as reconstructive surgeries, fixing things like heir lips, and transgender affirmation surgeries. There certainly is scumminess for sure, but there are shades of grey in most everything.
@@NikolaitheBard comments like these deliberately miss the point. like, obviously, but when you see someone talking about COSMETIC surgery in the context of misogynistic beauty standards do you think it's about burn scar victims achieving a better QOL or do you think it's about BBLs and botox?
@SuigetsuIsArt it just really felt like you were saying that the industry as a whole was evil or something. There is a lot of stigma against people who go into study medicine to go into plastic surgery as those people being vultures or just there for money and it makes people who are actually good doctors shy away from the profession which adds to the problem.
Wait... you think Jane was being mean to Quinn (towards Quinn) by saying that? I interpreted that as making fun of the whole thing: *according to Dr Char* Quinn needed $6,000 worth of plastic surgery, while Daria needed plastic surgery... TO LOOK LIKE QUINN! I interpreted that as Jane realizing that it was all bullshit.
(Maybe Jane was mean to/about Quinn in general? It's been a while since I've watched the show... but in this specific instance, I don't see that as criticizing Quinn in any way, it's criticizing the plastic surgery industry... maybe beauty standards in general.)
Jane was absolutely calling the doctor out on her BS.
I actually like this take and prefer it too because it just feels off for that to be a mean spirited comment but I might be wrong.
This was how I took it too.
But also if she was taking a small side dunk on Quinn anyway, who can blame her when Quinn does things like walking up to her and shooing her? Quinn isn't nice to Jane. Why should Jane be nice to her?
"This aired in 1997, before my time ..."
Sorry, just gonna be over here dissolving into ash and floating away into the aether
😭😭 it’s only by 2 years. don’t worry lol
About the article you've commented about, thats is completely true
Im Brazilian, what people usually call "pardo" here (mixed) and since i remember when i was a child, my mom and sister talking about wanting get rid of their noses and face shapes(they have more round faces and indigenous/black noses). I was brought in this environment where no one liked their self image and talked about plastic surgery CONSTANTLY, about how beautiful the white women from southeast and south from Brazil are beautiful and how they need to look more like them
Gotta say, that took a toll on my mental health obviously
Our culture about women's body and beauty standards is f*** up
If people primarily wanted to look 'white' they'd be getting BIGGER noses, THINNER lips, and FLATTER butts. Think about it. I agree with you though, the standards are messed up. Love who you are, because if you do, someone else can.
Any day I find a RUclips video covering Daria in some form or fashion is a good day
Glad I could be a part of it 😁
Char is probably short for charlatan
This is good 😭
There's a whole level of somewhat insidious implications in Dr. Shar's line, "Money can make anyone beautiful." There are a lot of videos on RUclips examining the "You're not ugly, you're just poor" idea. I don't think this was the right episode for Daria to examine this idea but the show is definitely set in an upper middle class population and it really doesn't acknowledge the socioeconomic advantages the characters have. That's a missed opportunity imo.
Kidology has a perspective I really like about plastic surgery. She basically said that plastic surgery can be good for a woman but plastic surgery isn't good for women as a whole. Because, yeah there's no reason we should look down on people modifying their bodies if they want to. A tattoo is something many people decide to get and that modifies their body. But plastic surgery to fit into a standard is not good for society as a whole because of how it's reinforcing that there even should be a standard and is not accessible but kind of creates the illusion of being accessible to some degree.
I do realize now that the point about Kevin bribing people to like his 'ugly' look is a lot more thoughtful than I originally gave it credit. Yeah, it's definitely presented as a joke but it's kind of true to a degree
I love that Gen Z is slowly rediscovering Daria. Love that for y'all.
I don't think Daria will make sense now the way it did back in the day. The entire paradigm has shifted toward division and labelling, something Daria slashed through. I don't think they even realise that's what she's doing...
I'm 22 but I grew up watching it on a vhs 🥲
@@themudpit621 that's true and natural for many classics. What makes Daria unique is that it's very humane in how it treats it's characters. Jodie is still relatable to black girls nowadays who feel they must be "perfect" in order to be respected. Jane's wit can be appreciated by anyone from any generation that appreciates acerbic humor. Daria's militant rejection of a systemically myopic, oppressive, materialistic, apathetic, and shallow society is probably more aspirational to Gen Z than it was to their parents, Gen X.
It's crazy bc BBLs are the most dangerous elective surgeries and #1 reason for women's death for choosing to get this surgery
I think Jane said that about Quin to make Daria feel better since she's often compared to her and she probably feels insecure about herself compared to Quin. Like in the episodr where Mr. O'Neal gave Daria an extra assignment to write a story about people in her life and her mother said "Why can't you be more like Quin." Or when Quin made being a brain popular and it made Daria feel more insecure about her status, or even when Daria got contacts. It's apparent throughout the series that Daria has low self-esteem and she hides behind sarcasm and snark.
Great point!
Yeah, I don't think there was any malice in what Jane said, just humour.
Daria actually went deep while pretending to simply be surface level into a lot of what teens and women in particular struggle with throughout their development. This was solidified for me when I rewatched Daria as an adult. Particularly when watching the later seasons when they delved deeper into Daria and Quinn as sisters.
The reality was Daria and Quinn both struggled with being attractive AND extremely intelligent. The reality was Daria was ALWAYS equally yolked with Quinn in the looks department-this was hinted on in earlier seasons. Particularly one when Quinn was being recognized for her intellect and in a desperate attempt to be with Quinn the boys who worshipped the ground she walked on-realized Daria actually resembled Quinn. There’s episodes that delve into their childhood when they lived in Texas-cos fun fact Daria was a spin off of Beavis and Butt Head as was King of The Hill. Daria was very pretty/cute as a child but extremely socially awkward. She couldn’t hide her disdain and mask her disapproval of others only associating with her for her looks. It got to the point where her parents were actually contemplating divorce because they couldn’t deal with her and Quinn’s intellect. Daria actually had a nervous breakdown. She heavily repressed the memories and drastically hid and minimized her looks from that moment on. It comes out that Quinn DIDN’T. That particular ordeal became a life changing moment for Quinn. She actually felt so bad for Daria and at the same time she became scared for herself. Quinn decided to play the dumb pretty girl role. There were even a few random episodes where Quinn’s mask slipped and her intelligence showed and no one clocked it at the time. It’s actually wild how they developed based on how society over valued looks and under valued intelligence in women even during that time.
Daria is one of those gems that is basically timeless. It tastefully tackles systemic issues of modern life. It gives valuable life lessons but also doesnt shove it down the audiences throat like a kids show. There arent many cartoons like this that cater to the 'teen/young adult' sector.
I wish i discovered the show back when I was 12, i feel that it would have certainly helped me through that rough transition in my life.
I think Daria is both incredibly dated (technology) and timeless (the message in each episode) at the same time
I love how Dr Shar is so obviously ridiculous and predatory. These are teenage girls, as Daria said, they will 'grow out of it' and they don't need to get expensive and damaging procedures just to be praised by other shallow teenagers. What's even scarier is the fact Brooke's parents allowed her to have not one but two surgeries! They must have money and have no problems with putting their daughter under the knife, twice! for the sake of being seen as desirable. Isn't that sick?
I always heard "Brazilian" to refer to waxing. You know. The whole shabang.
Quinn didn't invite her friends because she doesn't have any. Not any true friends. Sandi is a frenemy for sure, but she's clearly not close to Tiffani or Staci either
You are right about Quinn
Stacey is actually Quinn’s friend, it’s just that she tries too hard to be liked, and her insecurities get the best of her. She’s the one who secretly kept the caricature drawing the others were in such a tizzy about. Tiffany is a little backstabber, we saw her make derogatory comments to both Quinn and Sandi about the other. Tiff is also not the sharpest knife in the drawer, and I really question how she got out of elementary school by being as clueless and oblivious to everything around her.
I saw this amazing quote from a youtube comment once thats my new life motto, "Being okay with your body and face is a form of anticapitalism more than a form of self love. Easier to internalize"
I'm glad you made a point to emphasize the systemic issues of plastic surgery over the individual issues. Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but I feel like the pendulum has swung hard the other way in regards to how people perceive plastic surgery and the people who get it. While it was definitely glamorized in the 90s, I find that people these days are quick to judge others as vain or ugly for getting surgery, even if the results were successful. That's also what I appreciate about this Daria episode. It doesn't depict the desire for plastic surgery as a mere character flaw or a moral failing, it actually shows the psychology behind it and how the industry takes advantage of it.
So true! It used to be a sign of wealth and status now it’s extremely frowned upon. Interesting observation
I actually feel its the opposite as an everyday person, people talk about getting plastic surgery and pressure others to fit in by getting it.
I always thought that Brooke NEEDED that surgery for some breathing problems because why is a highschooler getting cosmetic surgery??
because capitalism. another theme the show criticizes fiercely.
It’s an old joke that you “ had a deviated septum “ after you get your nose done so I’m not too sure! Some people let their 16 year olds get done ( sooo weird)
It happens. A girl I went to college went got a boob job for a HS graduation present.
@@env0x that isn't the reason
I think that there should be a video on how Quinn’s “friend” group is throughout the series. Sandy was her big opp, including her mom which is why Sandy is as idiotic. They both seen the morgendorffers as threats. I think Tiffany is just a lil behind, no substance. I really liked how Stacy grew throughout this series but she has massive insecurities and people pleasing issues. She’s like thee extreme Quinn but I think she does have substance.
I have that type of nose. I'm not insecure about it, it's my grandma's nose and I'm proud of it. It just makes me sad when girls with my nose feel the need to change it. It's their choice and I'm not gonna stop them but it makes me sad.
One of my favorite long-term aspects of this show is the relationship between Daria and Quinn. In the beginning, Quinn is the closest this show gets to Daria having a direct regular antagonist. But since Daria actively aggravates Quinn as much as the reverse it never reaches that level. By the end of the series, even if they haven't become actual friends they've developed more genuine sisterly affection for one another.
It's interesting to see their characters examined over the show as you eventually see that, as different as the two sisters are, at their core they actually have a lot in common. It's shown that Quinn actually isn't dumb and Daria isn't ugly, and they can crossover into the other's territory whenever they choose. They also can both, in their own way, hold strong personal principles and values. So their characters become an interesting compare and contrast of two young women assessing the social pressures of being a teenage girl and how they choose to respond and deal with those pressures.
your editing is SO cute i love the purple graphics! great video
Thank you so much 😭 this means a lot!
The part about Dr Shar finding several imperfections to fill her pockets really needs to be said out loud nowadays.
Whenever I express a similar opinion, people get upset saying that people should be allowed to choose what they do to their body. That's not what I would ever say but the way it's marketed has gone too far. It's still surgery, so selling it like people sell face creams is absurd.
One remark about the butt size and "white" culture. I wonder, if the small bottom is more of a WASP thing, rather than all of the people currently considered "white". My parents are originally from Eastern and Southern Europe and bigger bottoms and hour-glass figures have definitely been celebrated for a while in those cultures. As a skinny teenager (and dieting, because I never felt thin enough), I would always be told to eat more because my butt would turn skinny and "nobody wants that".
My mom had a 66 inch waist and 45 inch hips and she was always considered extremely beautiful in her culture. well, everywhere, really, but the figure was particularly appreciated in the East and South of Europe. Even during the Jane Fonda aerobics craze of the 80s or whenever that was.
(also, we all know that "white" is not as stable as some people think anyway, see Irish and Italians in the US in the past)
I think that doctor in that episode Too Cute showed she was insane and she had no right to tell others what should look like. She wanted Daria to look like her sister. She was deeply putting people down because of their looks.
I have gone to a plastic surgery consultation. They told me that touching my face would be a crime, the only things that they could do for me would ruin my “pretty” face. But my body was another story, every little thing could be fix. I didn’t get anything done at the end but it really messed with your self-esteem when a profesional goes “oh yeah, this is bad but we can improve it.” I didn’t went willingly to the consultation so it was double horrible for me
Kevin and O'neill's VA ALSO voiced DiMartino which is just... maybe the funniest possible combination of characters to all be voiced by the same actor (but similar props to Jane's VA also pulling triple duty as Quinn and Helen)
Learn something new every day 😳
And the fact that both of those VA’s had to SING in those character voices in the “Daria!” musical episode is amazing!
People who do plastic surgery usually feel super insecure.
I could only think about the “It’s cute, yk, cute next to gorgeous and gorgeous devoures cute” quote during the nose part ajsjbediebd😔
🤣🤣
I'm a trans woman and I often think about getting plastic surgery. I think at best I look androgynous, and I have the sorts of traits that many women find desirable, such as being short and slim, but I cannot honestly say I pass. Nor do I think anyone else can say that. I don't know if this is the wrong video for me to comment on, but the topic discussed hits close to me. In my case, there's a whole other level going on and that probably makes it an unfair comparison. I guess all I'm saying is that I understand. Sometimes just "not being ugly" isn't enough.
I think that's a perspective we rarely get tbh. very valuable input. no amount of "you're valid" and "uwu but you're not uglyy" is going to make you comfortable in your own skin
I think this is just a really delicate topic in general, but at the end of the day- you should do what you're comfortable with.
I'm not trans, so I can't speak for that at all- I just believe that, if you're so uncomfortable in your own body, that you're depressed etc. you shouldn't feel ashamed when seeking out stuff like plastic surgery
This is a tricky one, and a rare aspect where I feel I'm lucky having come out late. I'm simply too old to meet the super pretty and hot beauty standards - most women my age don't - so I'll manage with what I've got. But it takes mental work nonetheless
I don’t know that I would call it an unfair comparison. I’m not sure how you feel about the term gender dysphoria, but body dysmorphia does not discriminate.
if you already have a stark inability to see yourself the way you feel on the inside, I think that’s a great equalizer between us all. I’m a super feminine person, but I’m also a black woman (so when men get mad at me online, they like to call me a man) I’m moderately androgynous if I am bare. It’s hardly about what other people think, but I just don’t feel as feminine with arms and shoulders like mine and have officially decided to get Lipo so I can have the appearance I feel. I have trans friends who have gained such joy and increased safety due to their surgeries. Two, I think of immediately, who became absolutely effervescent. “Just not ugly” not being enough it’s something I totally get.
My dad barely paid attention to me and my sister as kids. He'd put on MTV because it had cartoons on it. Luckily it was daria. I learned alot thru this show at 8.
Safe procedures are SUPER important! Plastic surgery is commonly performed on people that have undergone traumatic and disfiguring events, or have a physical defect that interferes with daily life! Hell, botox treats migraines!! Plastic surgeons and surgery get such a bad wrap, but I know a lot of people would be quick to ask for skin grafts from a burn accident or a nose job for a deviated septum impacting breathing. They are medical procedures, its not really anyones place to judge someone for getting it.
But the main issue is that some people get it and there's nothing medically wrong with them
@@ktg3811 who do you think the surgeons are "practicing" on lol! Seriously tho, what do you define as "necessary" and "medical"?? That definition is different from person to person and getting judgmental about it doesn't help anyone!! Does a burn victim need a skin graft? Or breast cancer patient need nipple realignments? No, scars are not medical issues! But it's nice to have the option! Plastic surgery is not the villain, having for profit clinics that minimize the risks associated with these surgeries are! People would get these surgeries less if they really knew the risks! At the end of the day, ALL surgeries are a personal choice made between you and your doctor
I didn’t know that plastic surgery procedures can be racist in their own way. Wooowww…
As far as what I think of plastic surgery all in all, unless if one is recovering from a terminal illness or suffered through an extremely tragic situation that has hurt their physics features in some way or another, plastic surgery shouldn’t be used for daily use. Not only is it expensive, but it also doesn’t last long.
Looking back on the show, though I understand Daria and Jane’s points of view (yeah, I was kindof like them growing up. Whoops!), I do agree that their attitudes towards Quinn and Broke were a little harsh. At least Daria and Quinn came to an agreement whereas Broke disappeared in the background.
Hmmm…disagree with me ya’ll want, but personally, I don’t think that a “Daria” sequel is a bad idea as long as the logic of the times makes sense.
They definitely can, many doctors specialise in western features, so when a POC needs restructuring, even after an accident, they notice their features are gone and they look more Eurocentric
Daria was right . Plastic surgery is just stupid . Why mess yourself up ?
It can be used to help people who are disfigured or have a birth defect, it’s not only for cosmetic.
1 - High school freshman is like 15. Maybe 14 if it's early in the year and you're younger. (I was never 14 as a Freshman due to my birthday but I'm sure some were/are.)
2 - $6,000 is cheap as FUCK for all that work done. Like... I hate plastic surgery and what it represents, but holy fuck that's a cheap medical procedure.
I was a 14 year old freshman. It depends on how many grades your high school has. My high school was grades 9-12.
I may have a warped perception on the age cause I’m one of those rare cases of being 13 turning 14 freshman year. But I also started school early. But yeah, typically 14/15 are freshman. I have younger siblings going to 9th grade right now that are 14
And yes 💀 $6000 is CHEAP for all that work
Its 14 if you were born before September 1st
Maybe I'm conservative but I don't think minors should be getting plastic surgery
you know not all plastic surgery is cosmetic, right? much of it's done for medical reasons.
@@foxbuns 👍🏻 I can’t think of any necessary plastic surgeries other than cleft palate correction & burn treatments right now, but I think if you can afford to get your daughter a nose job as a sweet sixteenth present, you can afford therapy so she won’t feel the need to get a nose job so young.
@@puffitale there are so many medically necessary ones and it's all case by case. a breast reduction is considered plastic surgery, but is often done for medical reasons like chronic back pain (like in the case of macro- or gigantomastia for instance). septoplasties are done to restore breathing, but people think of any nose surgery as cosmetic when they rarely are in reality. anyone can have a birth defect anywhere on the body, and correcting it makes it medically necessary rather than cosmetic. if a person has any symptoms due to the issue being operated on, it's a medical procedure and not cosmetic.
@@foxbuns Thanks. I mean, plastic surgery only really came into existence after WWI to reconstruct veterans faces. I do agree that there’s lots of medically necessary and/or helpful kinds of plastic surgery, but we only talk about it when it’s for vanity reasons.
@@puffitale and that's totally an issue! plastic surgery does not always mean cosmetic surgery. a plastic surgeon is just the title we, for some reason, gave to the surgeons who handle reconstructing the entire human body. the only difference between an elective cosmetic surgery done for vanity reasons, and a medically necessary surgery, is the morality we decide to assign to each one. it's the same surgical procedure regardless of why it was performed. if someone needs a septoplasty to breathe better, we praise them for the bravery it took; it someone needs a septoplasty to feel better about themselves, we belittle them for their perceived 'vanity'.
My views on things like plastic surgery is that it should be done strictly for yourself & only after being evaluated for deeper problems like body dysmorphia. If for example, you just don’t like your nose to the point that it is impacting your quality of life & one procedure will help them that’s absolutely fine. But if it’s just to keep up with fashion, desperately trying to look eternally 25, or a deep rooted psychological issue then it’s a problem
Kevin’s experiment might be different if he had any redeeming qualities. Brittany doesn’t even like him as a person. Mac tolerates him and that’s probably the only person who spends time with him not for social standing. I wonder how it would have been with a more likeable person. Probably not massively different as nobody gave Kevin a chance to speak. But the way Kevin likes to get people’s attention is quite abrasive
I’m under the impression that Stacey does really like Quinn but she’s scared of Sandy and also the most insecure out of them so less likely to handle any criticism.
Kevin’s behavior is a product of his environment and how he was raised. The episode Mart of Darkness gives a lot of insight into to this. Kevin acts just like father, abrasive, rude, and only cares about sports. His mother is the stereotypical “boy mom” who dotes over her son. She’s also jealous of Brittany and Kevin’s relationship as a lot of “boy mom” type of women hate their son’s girlfriends. His father also lives through Kevin because it was implied that he was also a football star in high school but his athletic dreams were ruined due to having Kevin at such a young age. Kevin’s father was trying to force Mr O’Neil to pass Kevin even though he was failing. Kevin is the stereotypical athlete who was coddled his whole life, worshipped for playing sports, and never told that he was wrong about anything.
Lawndale is an extremely accurate depiction of how life is in small towns. These places normally only value their sports teams and have a very narrow mindset on society and social norms.
As far as Quinn and Stacey’s relationship goes, Stacey is the only nice girl in the Fashion club. It’s shown that Quinn knows this because there was an episode where her parents were going out of town and Helen said Quinn can choose one friend to stay over. Quinn chose Stacey which upset Sandi. Sandi constantly brings down Stacey because she’s jealous of her and knows she has low self’s esteem and won’t stand up for herself. Sometimes girls only befriend other girls because they view them as threats. In my opinion Stacey is the prettiest girl in the group and if she didn’t have such low self esteem she wouldn’t hang out with them.
@@Quinn_M97Yeesh, that almost makes me feel sorry for Kevin. Like, in most shows with rude and abrasive football players as antagonists, those players are usually shown to be self-aware enough to know they are not the good guys and they just choose to ignore that. Like Dash from Danny Phantom.
But Kevin isn't usually an antagonist, and it sounds like he was raised to not have any self-awareness. Therefore, he has a harder time actually examining his upbringing and how it's affected him. It's hard to refect on how your problems got started and how to fix them when you're like Kevin.
@@frankielovejoy9928 Thinking about what Kevin likely became after high school makes me feel sorry for him entirely. The boys like this from my small town stagnated and never grew past it (on top of more than one of them marrying the first girl they got pregnant and living unhappily for years before a divorce). They were only good at sports in a small town, they couldn't compete at higher levels and so when they graduated that one skill they had suddenly became worthless. No one cares that you were an okay quarterback at Nowhere High School. And most of them were so coddled that even getting a certificate to teach gym was beyond them.
And as you said, they can't look inward to correct these problems because they don't know how to and are now way passed the point where they could have been taught how to do that.
@@prettyevil6662000Yeah, and it's stuff like this that makes me angry that society tends to put sports on a pedestal. It just teaches young sports boys that only one useless skill matters until they graduate, and then they're screwed. Like, most young sports boys aren't going to be playing the Super Bowl down the line. Why are we stifling them? There's no reason for this. It's a societal issue like plastic surgery.
The episode is definitely pertinent in today's time. Daria was in 1997 and from what I recall, the talk of plastic surgery was not all that common but in the turn of the 2010s when the whole Kim Kardashian influenced plastic surgery trend really swept America and now you have women talking more about how they feel like they need plastic surgery. I have a coworker who is 6 years younger than me (I'm 32) and she talks quite a bit on how she feels she needs to get certain plastic surgery procedures done when she really does look fine. And I see discussions of younger women doing the same thing like how they need to get a nose job or get their lips done and they're only in their 20s and even late teens and it's just truly disturbing because there was no talk like this 15+ years ago, at least not to this extent.
Also it shouldn't be a surprise that the whole BBL, super voluptuous curvy build is not seen as super attractive to eurocentric beauty standards, Caucasian women typically had smaller frames and that was celebrated in most of the modern decades from the 1920s flapper girl to the 1960s Twiggy look and even the 1990s Heroine-Chic look. So it's not surprising to me that in most European countries, the super voluptuous enhanced look won't really have the popularity it has in other places like South America and Africa.
I definitely feel pressure to get lip fillers as a 21 year old even tho I dont want to change how I look but people are constantly roasting peoples lips before their plastic surgery and stuff it just makes me feel horrible
You should see videos of asking men in Japan what they like, it's nearly the opposite of what the US finds attractive.
The beauty standard in Japan is looking like a little girl. That's why.
I just wanted to say that I was a teenager when this show aired, and it's nice to see a cult following for it 20+ years later.
I love love LOVED Daria! It aired when I was in my very early 20s just out of college. I felt like it was an underrated show because it was on MTV and not a major network. I never stopped to analyze it the way you do, but I always knew the themes that the show talked about were the real deal. I appreciate you take me back down memory lane in a cool and analytical way!
Honestly I agree with Jane being rude to Quinn cause of Daria does make sense but honestly Quinn is also some what mean to Jane as well but Jane also has her own feelings towards Quinn mostly due to Quinn behavior in general but mostly how she treats Daria could be a major influence 🤷🏾♀️
to be fr - I think Quinn is smart in her own way
Yeah, it's shown several times throughout the series that she's not ACTUALLY stupid, it's more that her priorities are just messed up on account of typical teenage worries like popularity.
my favorite line of the episode was when Daria talked to Jane about how Dr Shar was going to make Daria look like Quinn & Jane responds "What do you wanna look like that loser for she needs six thousand dollars worth of Plastic Surgery"?
I grew up watching Daria and very much identify with Jane. I was in middle school when this episode hired and remember how positive the over all message was. Don't go fixing things that aren't broken.
I love the way you describe and explain things. I'm going to watch this video again with my tween daughter.
Awwww thank you so much 🥹 that means so much to me!
@@alissajadyn keep up the amazing work! I can definitely see you making it big soon!
I never seen this show, but it's sad how the one girl was 14 and about to get plastic surgery done. Also, as a white girl, I didn't know that European cultures don't glorify the BBL and big breast look as much, but maybe it's just the white Americans.
Yep. It’s mainly in the Americas because of celebrities. It’s very unfortunate that racism is so prevalent and yet Americans also want to replicate physical features of black women (hair, curves, lips, etc.) except for the actual skin color.
@@caseygreyson4178 white people have natural curves based on genetics tho, but it's mostly Eastern Europe, not as much UK
@@jocelynecupcake most eastern european women are'nt curvy tho and don't have full lips either
This is where the show clicked for me.
There's something realistic to Daria and Quinn needing one another, but not out and out saying it. Quinn's insecurities are amplified, not because she's shallow, but because she's wanting to be as shallow as the FC. She knows she's not, she's actually pretty clever. She says at the end of the ep 'people are so shallow' - granted, that’s because they won't give her what she wants - but she's not stupid enough to ignore Daria's 'you've got the kind of looks that make other girls mentally ill' speech. Yeah, Quinn doesn’t sound like she listened to this, but there’s something working beneath the surface.
Her argument against Sandi (who's petulant out of malice and envy) is pretty eloquent, but emphasises that intellectually, she's out of step with the rest of the FC.
When they go to visit Dr Shar, Quinn asks "Can I get a couple of these (the pictures of what she'd look like with PS) wallet-sized?" It’s my belief that Quinn never intended to follow through on getting surgery. She just wanted to show how she would look, and be comparable to the FC. That's until the coven get their nose jobs, and she again wants to fit in, so asks Daria to make up BS to her parents to get the cash. Plus, when they visit Dr Shar, Quinn isn't badgering Daria. She's not saying that Daria needs anything done, which Daria pretty much repeats to Quinn at the end of the episode after the FC have their nose jobs. These two do keep one another grounded, and I appreciate the show revealing this in a subtle manner.
These two have a strong sense of self because they possess two exceptional qualities. One, they're aware of their flaws. Daria lives by a rigid philosophy that causes her to be caustic in the face of actual fun, and judge people prematurely - see her conversation with Jodie in 'Gifted'. Quinn would rather be popular then step out on her own, which is sad. Because that’s human nature. And two, they can spar quite successfully with a rival, Sandi being Quinn's and Daria's being whoever she feels like having for breakfast that day. They're very alike, but employ their smarts to different ends to ensure they get what they want and stay true to themselves, though this is a struggle.
So yeah, definitely clicked here. I really like Quinn because she strikes me as pretty hardy and resourceful. Unlike Daria, she's snared in a shitshow that she chose the moment she left Jake's car. In time, I think she'd be Daria's ideal version of Daria.
i absolutely love daria.
Can you talk more about Daria? You talking about Daria is entertaining
I think that untill Quinn arrived Stacy was the most popular girl.
Good point!
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i believe in bodily autonomy, so i think ppl should be able to get cosmetic surgeries if they want them, but i also do believe that there are a lot of ways in which the industry is exploitive. i won't deny that there are many people who wouldn't have gotten cosmetic surgery if not for social pressure, but there are also plenty of people who would want it regardless. i have no right deciding on what someone else should do for their body. only my own!
Yeah , I had a consultation with a doctor and the first thing he told me after asking for a rino was "do you want me to tell you what other things can we do" and I was like 🙃
Now that I noticed Quinn really does wear the same thing every day.
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But so do all the other characters?🤣
@@cdmp777 Agreed, compared to other characters, Quinn and the other members of the fashion club have more variety in their outfits, whether it's season by season or for certain occasions in the episodes.
They all do. Hello? That’s the joke.
As a Brazilian the funny thing about BBL is that.... It's hard for someone to get this here. There's PLENTY of injections and other procedures, bc of the Brazilian love for ass, but BBL is not the way to go.
They always used to advertise those 2000s workout dvds as like the Brazilian Butt Lift workout. It was like the less aggressive alternative to p90x 😂
Yes! Why did this just trigger memories 😭
I stumbled upon this randomly, and found it really insightful. I hope I enjoy more of your content.
I hate fat shaming. I've never thought it was funny and is just bullying. If it triggers you I'm sorry, not all of us are laughing I promise. Keep your head up. ❤
I was obese as a teen, 300lbs thanks to a binge eating disorder I developed when I was abused as a child. I was treated like absolute garbage back in HS (07-11). I was openly mocked and shamed by students and even teachers (had an especially horrid gym teacher who was awful to the kids who were overweight).
In my 20's, I switched to a different form of disordered eating and very rapidly lost weight until I was underweight. I was fainting, lost hair/ fingernails and really messed with my skeletal structure. But, I was treated completely differently. People were kind to me and went out of their way to be kind. It felt horrible and showed me how people can be.
I gained back 20 pounds to a healthy weight. I'm fit, exercise daily (it's a hobby for my mental health) and some people have the gall to ask if I'm going to try to get back to my skinniest. I actually called out a coworker for making comments about it.
@JenniJemm That sounds like a real struggle. People are so cruel. But I'm glad you're doing better. Please take care of yourself and remember you're not alone. ❤️
Fat shaming is a great trigger for me too. Strangers especially have no idea what's going on behind the scenes but act like they do and still mock you for it, it's worse if you have pcos.
I have an autoimmune disease and can't gain weight no matter how hard I try and I constantly have people in my life making comments about it. On the other hand, my sister struggles with being overweight and recently got prescribed the shot to help her with this. Neither is a good situation to be in. People can be so cruel and judgemental
@@JenniJemmI'm so sorry that you were treated so horribly when you were a kid I too went through that it got to a point I dropped out of school when I was 13 years old I started loosing weight in my late teens after struggling with dealing with my trauma
Refreshing to see someone with the same name, spelt the same way... Alissa
Twin! 🤞🏿
@@alissajadyn Yess 👯♀️💜
Quite interesting your background music is unpretty by TLC. That was a cute touch to the video ❤
Daria is one of my fave animated shows! She embodies everything I thought of high school back when I was going through the ranks.
Jake is such a weak, shallow character. He had some of the least character development in the show.
Kevin is another poorly developed character. Despite his regular appearance, he habitually falls back into his boneheaded ways with very little consequence.
If you watch the episode “Psycho Therapy”, you see Daria pegs each one of her family members accurately including herself. That speaks to how sharp Daria’s observation skills are.
I think Jane shares Daria’s attitude towards Quinn, and sees her in the same critical way, the same way they both talk about classmates like Kevin, Brittany, and Upchuck. It’s how they bond. They see The Circus unfolding before them and share their reactions. With Daria being a writer and Jane being an artist, watching what goes on around them feeds their creative outlets.
How does Gwen and Daria's parents feel about Gwen getting plastic surgery since they would be the ones paying for it?
Quinn is her name and they don't support it.
Quinn, not Gwen.
And she could've talked her parents into it, since her mom likes her being popular and her dad is a pushover
This show was able to dig deep when it wanted to. Reason I loved it so much!
Same!
I see daria, I click
My 2 daughters are so much like daria and quinn, it scares me.
"Alright funny gallll your turn"
"No."
$6,000 sounds like a good price though was that like the common price back then. Idk why a cosmetic video is showing up I've been looking up tattoos but I do love Daria
Not sure, though back then six grand for surgery was still pretty expensive. Especially if you didn't come from a wealthy family.
Great video, though I do disagree a bit with your point at 5:10 -- that Jake telling the girls that they're all beautiful is good and something some people need to hear. Yes, confidence is important, but I felt that the point of the episode was more about how not just beauty standards themselves are harmful, but that the idea of beauty being inherently tied to a person's self-concept and self-worth is harmful and feeds into the predatory nature of the beauty industry. Jake telling Quinn and Daria that they all look great does nothing to help Quinn's self-image issues because it doesn't address the core of the problem -- that Quinn believes she has no value if she isn't beautiful, and that her value as a person will decrease if other women are just as beautiful as she is. Quinn and Daria are foils in that they both approach beauty and desirability differently, with Daria critiquing the standards and Quinn chasing them. To me, Quinn's decision to bring Daria to Dr. Shar's office as moral support exemplifies this theme, as Quinn values Daria's 'honesty:' AKA her ability to see and value Quinn as a person despite her looks.
In the end though, the only way Daria can think of to try and comfort her sister is to tell her she looks perfect instead of telling her that her looks shouldn't be tied to her self-worth. Neither Daria nor Quinn can escape the social norms of one's beauty defining one's worth, and though in a perfect world that wouldn't be true, beauty still defines how people are treated.
Yeah Jane going after Quinn is very strange. Me and my sister have a relationship very similar to Quinn and Daria. She was always very poster girl for teenagehood who always had a large friend group that would always plan fancy hangouts together (ofc my sisters friends actually get along) meanwhile I have a singular friend with whom I do very basic things with like sit around and talk with.
I will often vent about my sister and we both laugh about the things she and her friends do; like going to grad parties of people she doesn’t even know or going to new cafes that have bad food just bc they’ll have a place to dress up for; but my friend never jokes about her appearance or makes other jokes that seem a bit too familiar.
Overall both Daria and Jane can be very antagonistic towards others in speech or in action. But Jane not even being a bit kind to Quinn was always a bit weird. Jane treats Quinn like Kevin and Brittney and not her best’s friends sibling. Which is weirder considering how even in spite of Darias crush she is respectful to Trent, while Jane will brush off Quinn very quickly. But maybe that’s just me projecting my standards and boundaries onto these characters.
This is exactly how I feel about it. Like even with my closest friends I’ll vent about my siblings but there’s a boundary. I feel like your friend’s family is like an extension to them.
In this case, Quinn isn’t the kindest to Daria either but it’s not like their enemies. There’s still love there. I just wouldn’t put myself in the middle of that if I was Jane. Plus she’s younger so it’s kinda like little sister stuff lol
I don't find it that weird specifically because it's Daria and Jane. Daria values honesty, critical thinking and unfiltered thoughts above most things. This sort of interaction is how Jane and Daria can be so inseparable on a general basis. Daria finds Quinn's struggles to be petty and vain and mocks it because there should be much more important things to worry about, so much that she can't be bothered to worry about it herself most of the time and prefers to be cynical about it. Jane thinks the same way, and provides similar sarcastic comments on how Quinn acts, along as every other student at their school. Daria doesn't extend this to Trent not solely because of her crush, as you mentioned, but because he seems to have similar outlooks on certain things, and can find a certain kinship with him, which is partly where her crush stems from.
It's also important to check that Jane doesn't outright insult Quinn. She jokes sarcastically about how ridiculous she finds her to act. She speaks of the fashion monster phenomenon rather than of Quinn as a person, just as Quinn doesn't regard her as a human being. I think Daria just finds it fair in general, and is grateful to have a friend who can say their honest opinions without worry, as it opens the door for her to do so without having to ostracize herself from the friendship. Also, the comment made in this episode was more of a jab at the doctor than to Quinn. The doctor just said "hey, you need 6000$ of plastic surgery" to her sister, and then depicts the perfect lift for Daria to be looking exactly as that, so she finds the surgeon stupid to even suggest it, as it undermines her whole speech to Quinn.
My half-sister and I have been compared look wise. My sister was only fifteen at the time, so I shouldn't hold it against her. She said she was the pretty half. I'm the more chaotic, depressed emo half.
You should talk to her about it
I always forget how much I love this show. I was told through middle and high school that I reminded my teachers of Daria but only looked into the show once I was a little older and actually had no clue why I was compared to the character until I was actively watching it lol
I mean this might reinforce what youre saying, rather than contradict it, but I dont think women of color ever crossed the writers mind during this episode. At the time this came out the public image of plastic surgery was women like Paris Hilton, Pamela Anderson
Paris Hilton was actually in abusive teen camps at the time this was being filmed (she would have been 15). Your point definitely still stands, though. Non white women weren’t typically in the mainstream eye like now
One of the most absurd things I've ever seen was a Facebook ad about .... 8ish years ago that used Chadwick Boseman as an example for their nosejob surgery. I, of course, called them out on their bullshit, because OMG it's Chadwick Boseman and he's gorgeous but also, that's obviously some racist bullshit. And their only response was something like "sure he's good looking but he could be MORE good looking." Purely cosmetic plastic surgery is really problematic IMO. Medical, ok. Reconstructive, ok. But purely cosmetic? Its scammy AF. It's abusive AF. It's generally always racist and sexist.
Also my aunt and cousin got boob jobs, and my aunts leaked and both of them got them removed for discomfort. Just ... way more risks than rewards unless there's REALLY cause behind it.
Exactly, it’s usually used to erase ethnic features, even for white people. It’s something I can never endorse it, it’s dangerous, detrimental to one’s mental health and is something that is unnecessary. We need to be working to lower the importance of appearance.
right they always target ethnic noses and think the button nose is the ideal nose for everyone I bet in 10 years time when people get bored of the button nose they will prop up an ethnic nose as the beauty standard it's like what's happening right now with upward slanting eyes aka cat eyes
BBL’s are only popular now because it’s more accessible. before it was BBL’s it was assshots.
New viewer here but I just have to say orange is your color! You look so beautiful with that wrap :D
Omg thank you so much 😭💕
Just found your channel through this! I love Daria. I didnt grow up with it, but decided to watch it all a few years ago and it felt nice to see someone else say all the cynical things about life.
I really enjoyed this discussion on plastic surgery and beauty standards. I vaguely remember not really loving this episode, but I always like seeing someone else's perspective on things. The social dynamics are wild and it's sad how much beauty standards are sculpted to shape society. Subscribed and definitely going to enjoy some of your other videos
Been lovin Daria since 97 🖤 Thankyou for these breakdowns;they're awesome and refreshing!! 🤘
Daria is great! Appreciate it! 💕
unpretty in the background? slay
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this is my first video of yours so I feel like I need to voice everything I noted to myself haha
first, you speak really consicely. I really appreciate the way you circle back to some points. your analysis seems thorough (at least to me; I haven't seen a sigle episode of daria) and detailed without trying to see what's not there. I also like your editing: both the aesthetics (colors, videoscreen, the bar; plus bi union points from me personally) and the funny bits. the fact that you list, cite, and link resources is very appreciated! you're also crazy pretty i think 🥺👉👈
now what I think could be done better (skip it if you're not interested). in general, it looks better when the person on the screen is farther away, at least a little bit. most youtubers stay further so the top of the head isn't cut by the frame. also I wish your voice could be louder (in general and in comparision to background music)
anyway, i'll surely keep watching your videos. you're definitely a gem. and according to views, likes, and comments many people agree
Thank for the feedback :) I appreciate it!
I’ll work on my volume levels compared to the music (I’ve been fiddling with that for some time. I can tell my videos are quieter compared to creators I watch. I’m tryna fix it lol.)
Also, at the moment I just had a recent move so my recording set up is not what it used to be. This was my first video back since I got settled. This one was recorded in a garage against some cardboard and a plastic table cover 🙃 (really miss my old setup and working toward being in better content creating conditions)
I love your vids and awesome how I just stumbled upon your video essays
Appreciate it 😭💖💖
What I find most interesting about Dr. Shar is the fact that she went out of her way to make Quinn look like a weird mini clone of herself during the consultation. I mean, the cheekbones and the blonde curly hair say it all.
I think it highlights how Dr. Shar is likely insecure herself and is trying to validate her appearance by forcing others to look more like her.
I find this especially interesting after reading what was in that article: It talked about how the "ideal appearance" for a colored woman was to have lighter skin and a curvy figure. An "ideal" that fits Dr. Shar very well. It really drives home how much she's internalized these ridiculous beauty standards to the point where she's made it her whole profession.
"I'm ugly and I'm proud!"🤪
-Spongebob
i see Daria...... i watch, i see a creator with the same views as me...... i subscribe
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First video of yours that i watched and I subbed! Great video, really chill, and informative
Thanks for watching 🥹
I know you sped this up Tiffany don't talk that fast😂
She musta really meant what she said cause that’s regular speed 😭
@@alissajadyn dang😂
"... now how are they going to explain this to the other monkies?" took me out omg x,D
Nitpick - Quinn is 14/15 in the 1st season when the show was aired
What year was the show put out I want to see how much plastic surgery would cost for that much today just to get an estimate on how broke that family is going to be if all of them do get plastic surgery
this season came out in 1997
I honestly disagree with you saying that white beauty standards saying big butts will never be good. As a white teenage girl, every white girl I know wants a big butt and big tits. Also so many men I’ve seen, especially white, have praised and looked for big butts and big tits
well yeah! but that's kind of newer...in the early 2000's having a big butt was a synonym of ugliness, just read magazines or watch movies from the time and you'll see there will always be some joke about a woman complaining about her fat ass (white chicks as an example) big butts being hot is kind of a new thing. it all just shows the cyclical nature of beauty standards and how ultimately useless adhering to them is. you'll always lose!
@@lodeddiperfan635 that makes a whole lot of sense, thank you 🫶
@@lodeddiperfan635 Thats so weird, because I remember that some people actually *did* like big butts before they got popular. A friend of mine (we were about 10-11 years old) told me that a boy called her "big butt". And while that was meant to be an insult (she was overweight), I remember knowing and telling her "Thats actually a compliment! Boys love big butts!"
Not to out my old, but big butts have always been desirable. I think a huge misinterpretation on "does this make my butt look fat," is that big butts needed to look proportional to the body, just like large boobs; anything too big is clownish, as is being seen with the bbl and filler fiascos of the last ten years-- with Kim Kardashian being a favorite example of how big can go terribly wrong.
Sir Mix-a-lot said it best, "36-24-36? Only if she's 5'3".
Its always been about proportions.
And I genuinely can not think of one person who ever said that the "heroin chic" catwalk look was ever desirable. Literally every man Ive known has said that a woman looks good with meat on her bones, even if shes not naturally endowed in boobs or butt she still needs to be pleasant to hold on to-- a bag of bones aint it. The only women I knew who wanted the heroin chic look were teenagers and young twenty-somethings still growing out of their adolescent mindset.
@@maschaorsomething Same, I remember even in the 90s plenty of people liked big butts. The song Baby Got Back was everywhere in my childhood. It might be because I was growing up in a big city (San Francisco)? But it for sure is way more popular now than before, like 99% of guys I meet seems to think "the bigger the better" when it comes to butts and thighs, as long as the waist and arms is skinny, obviously.
my dyslexic ass read the title as diarrhea and plastic surgery
Beavis and Butthead fixated on that word and her name and made constant jokes about it when Daria first debuted on their show 😂