Subaru Is BETTER Than Toyota! Here's 5 Reason That Confirm It!
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Long time Toyota owner here (Camry & 4Runners). In 2019 we went to the Toyota dealer to buy a new one and were a bit disappointed because they just felt “cheap and plasticy” to us for some reason. While we were standing around, we noticed a used Outback that they had on the lot that really felt nice and solid. The next day (after talking to our mechanic) we bought a new one at the Subaru dealer. We absolutely love it to this day. We’ve had zero issues and it’s a great road car. 👍
The Thermo Control Valve is the biggest problem on newer models and oil leaks.
@@melissasmess2773oil leaks aren’t an issue and the thermostat is covered by Subaru
Same experience here. Toyotas might still be reliable but those interiors are so cheap. Not like they used to be in the 80’s. Love my 2016 Outback.
Toyota unfortunately has a Lexus to sell you, so if you want a decent interior, Toyota will tell you to spend way more money and get a Lexus. While Subarus in the touring trim, often feel just as nice as base model premium brand equivalents.
The only car I ever want from Toyota again is another Camry, it still somewhat feels like the same car as they've always built. I think everything else tries to price you into a big expensive model or into a Lexus, I really don't like it. Base models feel horrible and anything extra like AWD they really tack on the $$$.
All the stuff i want and is important can be found in any base model Subaru and the extra trims are more so like leather seats, sunroof, etc are just luxury for me. Not many manufacturers do this.
I went to the auto show and Subaru was the only manufacturer with a wrecked car on display. I gotta respect them for that
they have a lot of them wrecked and their cvt tranny would be great if they would use the one toyota makes. no glue instead of gaskets.
My wife's 2022 outback wilderness avoided a sudden stopping car and steered her to the side of the road . And she was feeling safer today after she knows what she is driving
We love our Subaru
Did it really? What a great engineered machine. I drive a 98 but I’m holding out for a manual outback :(.
The OBW won't steer you away, but will brake hard before you can even react. Your wife probably steered herself after the car braked first. I own a 2022 OBW.
I live in Ottawa, Canada, one of the coldest capitals in the world. We can sometimes get crazy amounts of snow. Up to a couple of feet of snow, I can drive my 2012 Forester through it as if it wasn't there. More than that, it takes a little bit more skill in driving. 🙂 But I am sure that my Forester saved my life last year. I was coming back from a camp ground. It has been raining on and off all day. I was travelling along around 100 kph with the wide open road ahead of me, then suddenly, I was looking directly at a lamp post in front of me! I must have hit and hydroplaned...and was going sideways at highway speeds! If it had been a car with a higher center of gravity, I may have rolled. But I was able to turn into the skid, and was able to recover and continue on my way. That low center of gravity was a life saver!
Same thing happened to me in my wrx in a snowy road. Just suddenly I was sideways in the road for no real reason. Could almost get control back but was fish tailing and going faster and faster. I turned into the skid, punched the gas, and she straightened right out......needed to clean my pants after that but the car did it!
I’ve had Toyotas for 30 years but always wanted a Subaru. I bought my Outback limited new in 2016. Best car ever. I love the flat 4 engine. Outstanding ride, handling and comfort. Bulletproof reliability after 96,000 miles. The confidence in any weather here is northern Ohio is amazing. I’m sold.
@@allenanderson3649no timing belt on these. Lifetime chains.
@@MrSubaru1387 Did someone post that there was a timing belt on them and when you answered he took it away in embarrassment? Lmao
Just wait until you get over 150k miles on it - it will start burning oil like crazy. Almost all vehicles will be without any issues under 100k miles if you take good care of them. Once you get near 200k miles is when you will find out how reliable or unreliable it really is.
@@NATEG01you own one? If you’re so knowledgeable where are you getting this information? You are actually misinformed. Don’t worry there are plenty of subjective comments, your theory is actually flawed since I do know someone that has a 2016 Forrester 230,000 miles everything you said is incorrect. Not surprised at all. You have a wonderful day.
@@MrSubaru1387 I like both brands they are pretty similar
Both are great brands. Real reliable if you take care of them. Subaru's all wheel drive is way better though.
@seraphim1833 My wife and I have both a Subaru and Honda. While the AWD on the Subaru is better on paper, in the real world for our usage it makes no difference.
Toyota's AWD is getting better, in years past, the AWD on their small and midsize SUV'S was just pathetic.
Recent test between a TRD RAV4 and a Crosstrek Wilderness in deep snow, the Crosstrek was much better, the AWD system in the RAV4 overheated....
Strange. I absolutely leave my friend sitting when racing off the line in the snow.
Subaru’s are reliable if you CHANGE THE OIL regularly, and don’t beat the hell out of them.
@@steve8803 that must be mild then, or just going to grocery stores, my wife has a Honda Civic I have a forester, on snowy days, especially going up our street, which is a bit of an incline. There is a huge difference, the Honda struggles that’s for sure.
I was just driving on a highway yesterday at 80 mph, and a coyote crossed the road out of nowhere! I was driving my parent´s 23 Forester and I just dodged it like I was going 25 mph, no issues, no drama, just steered my way around the animal. I am SOLD on that AWD system!!!
I have always trusted the Toyota brand. Reliability and durability is built into every car Toyota makes.
@@MrRensan404 that’s too bad, a flawed brand well, they were good up to about 15 years ago. Glad you were just writing about Toyota since the comment was about how well the trusted Subaru, reliability and durability is an every car Subaru makes. It pays to really read. Have an awesome day…… don’t let anything cross in front of your vehicle. Looks like you’ll probably get into an accident.
@@martinr8278Love Subarus but Toyotas and Lexus are still on top in terms of reliability, mpgs, no.of available options, resale etc..
@@Gopinathk17everyone has their opinion. I owned a rav in 98. Not a bad little suv. I’ve also owned a crv and now a forester. Got to say the crv and forester were better in several ways then Toyota. You’re addressing the same things most brands are ranked high in so it’s equal ground. Honda can say the same…..Subaru can say the same just like Toyota. Spin terms of reliability, mpgs and resale….Subaru are in the top also. Be objective….not subjective.
@@martinr8278 Everyone has opinions but when it comes to the reality, the statistics speak the facts.
Also it's human tendency that whatever they own they try to argue that it is great, that's why we go by the reviewers and neutral people. When I was owning Nissan Rogue I used to argue that its the best. Honestly, I never had any issues with it but I didn't use it for long so I don't know, May be in the long run I may have seen some issues.
Toyotas and Lexus are still definitely holding the best reliability, mpgs(Hybrid trims) and resale values. That's an undeniable fact that most of the reviewers accept. 5-10 years ownership costs of Rav4 is much lesser than Subaru or any other competitor in that class. Also, its not fair comparing a 98 Rav4 with some latest generations Forester. I drove both 2023 forester and Rav4 hybrid Xle..no comparison at all, the hybrid trim of rav4 is much quicker, quieter and smoother and it's touching 40 mpgs combined.
Subarus are great in their own way but Toyotas shine in those terms that I mentioned.
Back in 2021 I traded in my 2016 Ford Focus hatchback for a used 2020 Crosstrek Premium. I instantly fell in love with it. Was highly impressed when I took it on a road trip to Florida. I swore that I would never own another car brand for the rest of my life. I owned that 2020 Crosstrek until this past November just before Thanksgiving I went back to the Subaru dealership and traded it in on a brand new 2024 Crosstrek.
For me, the Subaru Outback is the best long distant road trip car. Comfort, space and ride quality. I drive from my home in CT to all over the eastern US from Maine to FL, the Carolinas, Louisiana, Texas and up to eastern Canada. It has never failed me on long trips. I'm on my third Outback, the 2023 Onyx edition with the normally aspirated 2.5 engine. My favorite engine. The Eyesight system with adaptive cruise make long trips comfortable. The 30 mpg gas mileage make trips affordable. I usually drive 30K-35K miles per year. I change my oil and rotate my tires every 5K miles, follow SOA recommended service and add CVT drain and fill at 60K. My local Subaru dealer services my Outback as I know the mechanics and service advisors well. I enjoy your channel.
I just got a 2024 Outback Onyx with the 2.5. I love it. Once I saw they added the Harmon Kardon for 24 I got it. I live in northern Wisconsin and it does amazing on the winter roads here this past winter. I am coming from a turn ranger and I truly8 do not even miss having a turbo. It does great for me. I don't drive.a ton. maybe 8,000 a year. Lov it so far!
@@danielrn133 Good choice. I love the seat material of the Onyx edition over the leather that I had in my 2019 LTD. The leather didn't wear well with all the seat time I put it through. So far, the Onyx seats are not showing any signs of wear. I came to Subaru from VW and Audi. I don't miss the VW poor reliability that I experienced. I think you will love driving your Onyx as much as I do.
If we owned either one of these 2024 Camry/Corolla; Honda Accord/Civic Hybrids and or Subaru; and keep recommendations on Maintenance = Will last us until newer Fuels like Ethanol and/or Hydrogen = where we even have better fuel efficiency and better Environmentally C02 Emissions... Subaru originally was an Aircraft Manufacturer Company that together with Mitsubishi built Kamikaze Planes during WW II; and the Legacy/Outback and Mitsubishi Lancer version have always been the winning Champion in Rally WC... For Airplanes, Horizontal Boxer-type Engines will make Planes flying better controlled ... Their 4WD and now AWD with Differential-Lock System will deliver better Safety at low cost "on OFF-road" conditions like the CrossTrek. These little CRV Compact but more efficient than a Toyoda RAV4 Trail (Trim). CrossTrek Wilderness TCO and Applications are much better than others.
Regards,
I was a die hard Toyota guy right to the day the local dealer was going charge me $4,000 market adjustment on a 2023 RAV4 Hybrid that was 4 months late on delivery. Told them to keep their car and I’ll keep my money. Two days later we purchased a new 2023 Forester Premium off the lot for $9,000 less. Very happy being a new Subaru owner.
Many potential buyers torqued about Toyota salespeople raping buyers.
Toyota's are Toys Subey's are tops!
Family and friends all have subarus. But I was originally looking for a Rav4 Hybrid about a year ago and had the same experience with markups and borderline extortion-pricing on their hybrids. Went with a 2019 Outback and no car payment
I got the 2023 forester wilderness last July and absolutely love it.
That has caused a lot of defections from Toyota over the past few years...
Long time Toyota loyalist... Now driving a '23 Outback. Very happy with it! Already 25,000 miles in the first year. Fantastic road trip car.
I was a Subaru fanboy bc of the WRX. I've owned several of them thereafter. I spent alot of money on them and they seem to break when I need it the most. I went to Lexus and have owned several now, and I will never go back to another brand again. You get no surprises and always have peace of mind, whether going on a spontanous road trip or just going around town. Best brand ever!!!
No one else at work has a Forester. I do. I'm also the one that always gets to work, regardless of weather, sometimes showing up with a trailer or log splitter in tow, I'm the guy they ask for jumps from (as no one else carries or knows how to use jumper cables), my car is maintained both mechanically and in appearance, and I'm starting to get back to upper twenties in fuel efficiency, which I maxed out at 31.2 mpg back when I had better highway tires.
Oh, and it's a manual transmission. 🤓
Same here 2009 subaru forester xt...
New Forester Wilderness owner, so far it feels very solid. In your pursuit of better mpg I would try Archoil Gas Treatment. I believe it’s item # is 6200. It is a fuel stabilizer and treatment. I have used it for everything from weed eater, to large lawn mowers, Ford Escape, Honda Odyssey and Sierra 1500. The autos all had a 2 or 3 mpg bump while the 5.3l maxed out at a 2 mpg bump. Not sure if it pays for itself in mileage but I have not had a small engine problem in the 5 years I have been using it. Also use their diesel additive in my tractors, much less black smoke. No, I don’t have any connections to them, just a good product line.
@@PapaA7145 I got, consistently, 32 mpg during the summers, but then I put Crossclimate2 tires on, and...well...I now have more road noise and less MPG. Grips like a spooked cat on a carpet during our Cleveland Ohio snows, so it's all a giveandtake. I do use Lucas fuel additive from time to time and other cleaning stuffs. I find the ambiant temp has more say over my mpg now that any non-gasoline fluid I add to the tank.
Even then, 27.5 average over 1.5 years is not terrible. And I have 45mpg on my motorcycle during the spring-summer-fall. 🏍️😎
Lol...I used to think like you, then one day the light bulb went off, and I figured out I do not want to be the only one that gets to work.
@@Mach141 Oh, I don't WANT to get to work, but I have that whole "mortgage" thing, and due to poor reaction time, two kids to feed. 😭
I’m not a fanboy of any brand but Subarus are great. I live in Connecticut and my wrx has gotten me safely to work in the middle of every blizzard we get. Iv treated it well and it’s treated me well. Love it.
Actual Scotty has been saying some good things about Subaru and he speaks highly of the brands AWD system. He also talks about how the head gasket issue is a thing of the past.
The last Scotty I saw he recommended dont buy this Toyota, buy this Subaru instead !
Passed on my 2012 Outback to my daughter 7 years ago. Now 170K miles and she's selling it to her boy friend. I live Litchfield Hills of northwest Connecticut. Either going up hill or down hill. Not 100 yards of flat in the county. Lots of snow. Always surrounded by half dozen Subarus of some kind out here. They're like pets. Every family's got one.
Toyota makes good 4x4 but Subaru makes the best AWD.
Toyota makes the best 4x4’s in the world (Land Cruiser), while Subaru makes the best AWD. Some may conflate the two terms. If you’re doing serious off-roading in the wilderness, you want a Land Cruiser / Lexus LX. For everything else, Subaru is the way to go.
had my fair share of in-line fours and six's, subarus definitely feel more balanced when cornering and turning
I got into Subarus because of their safety record when searching for used cars for my daughters and fell in love. My whole family drives them now. So easy to work on compared to every other vehicle I have owned. Such a confident handling vehicle in ALL weather. All but one of mine have over 250k miles (refreshed Mr Subaru style w/MLS gaskets), and they perform like new still, although they are starting to show their age from everyday use. Happy Trails.
Proud owner of a 2017 Forester Premium. Added full skid plates, A/T Tires and a hitch, and have enjoyed forest roads in the North Carolina mountains, and numerous road trips. Never fails me, always gets me through and gets me home. Started something in our extended family. We now have eight Subarus covering most of the model line in the family. They all love them. Been to local Subaru Clubs and Subifest South several times. You are right. Have met a lot of great folks at these events. Thanks for defending the brand. Love your channel.
How may miles do you have on it ?
@@dylanschmidt4607 Mine is an NA. 82K well maintained miles. Only replaced rear wheel bearing at 78K and rear brake pads at 72K, BTW, adding STI 19mm rear stabilizer bar was a very good handling upgrade.
Think about this. All of the general aviation aircraft that fly over your house everyday have boxer engines in them.
My STi and ascent have been more reliable than my previous Toyotas. True facts for me. And yes they’ve been maintained by the book
At,75 years old,if you would of told me I would be driving a 4 cylinder Japanese car,back in 1963 at 15 years old when I started driving,I would of told you ,that you were nuts!Have had,Subaru outback’s,a 2006,2015,2020,and now a 2024,these cars handle like sports cars at high speeds,and when I was working at midway airport in Chicago,before I retired,close to 2 feet of snow no one was on the road,my outback,with just all season tires,no kidding speed limit at 40 mph,that outback did 40,stuck to the road,like a glove!Again 3 big guys,all our gear,a car top soft carrier,800 miles up to 150 miles north of Thunder bay Ontario Canada,we’re we catch a sea plane,to take us into the bush,for hunting and fishing,quests what,comfortable,and over 30 miles to the gallon,just a regular,4 cylinder,2.5 no turbo,ladies and gentlemen,presenting my brand new,Subaru,outback premium,in Autumn green metallic,great color greater car,eat your hearts out!Thomas A.Filipiak Palos Hills Illinois19 May 2024!
That’s quite the collection of Subarus you’ve owned!
If I lived up that side I'd definitely have a Subaru too ! I spent 14 months in North Bay with a record winter in '93 ! No such weather in the Caribbean but I started with a 1985 Subaru 700, then a 1991 Subaru M80 (Rex), '85 L-Series (Leone) iGT, '91 J-12 (Justy), 2007 Impreza S-GT (JDM WRX), and now an '06 Outback and 2012 Tribeca 😊. The only odd ducks were and Austin Metro after returning from North Bay (all I could afford) and a 2007 Isuzu D-Max which was awesome. But it's Subaru for me !
... I'm in your age group and comparing what we drove back then , my '23 Forester W drives like a formular 1 Indy car with the advantage of safety , as in if I have a stroke it'll stop by itself lol ...
That 2.5 motor was the best motor subaru ever made. The 2.0 would give me a little over 200,000 miles but the 2.5 impreza bought in 2005 still runs like a new car with 220,000 miles!
@@MrSubaru1387 We/I knew Subaru GL since 1981; Drove one from my friend... Then 1987 XT Turbo 4WD, with Dashboard and Steering Wheel like an Airplane or the new Subaru WRX 2024...
We had Legacy 1992 Model L but special built so = the Timing Belt on it last us, originally since 1992 - 2019; Changed oils every 6 months and/or coming back from a Long Trip. Changed Radiator Coolant every Winter begin...
💏💏 The Legacy was stolen last May 2023; otherwise would still be our Groceries Driven. Of course we have other Newer OB Made in USA not as good but has no major Repair Costs. TCO nothing compared in Winter Time and Deep Freeze Minus 40°C/F like this January 2024.
Of course they can't be compared with Lexus higher-end Trims but Easy to maintain on your own; change oil, change Radiator Fluids... Sparkplugs ... Only draw backs are CV-axels of Horizontal Boxer Type with high-torque = tend to be worn out faster, but TCO overall and Comfortable nothing compared...
Cheers,
Had a trim piece fall off the Forester. The dealer said that parts falling off the car was not covered by warranty even though there was no road damage in the area. Emailed Subaru and they sent me a check for the cost of the replacement part.
I have been a toyota guy since 1986 with my first 4x4 pick-up. Loyal as can be. We helped my son decide on a 2021 crosstrek as his first new car. It was not a thing i feared. I have worked on many subarus in my years in collision repair. Alway thought they were comparable in quality in that respect to toyotas. My first subaru was 2 years ago when I bought a 2014 crosstrek as a salvage rebuilder. It went back together very easily and drives well now after 2 years with 108k on it now. My current project is a 2016 crosstrek limited for my daughter's first car. I'm dealing with the transmission control module replacement right now. Other than that, the repairs are easy, mostly because of my years of experience. I've watch a handful of you videos and must say, I have the confidence to tackle the transmission valve body myself. Thank you for your expertise and easy to follow RUclips content. Much appreciated.
Proud owner of a 2002 Forester S with leather interior
2002 S.. cloth seats. :)
I’ve had 3 SG Foresters. It’s my favorite Subaru ever made
Had an 02 forester s for 20 years. Door seals, head gasket, electrical gremlins, leaky sunroof, heavy break wear, timing belt, faulty ground, rattly heat shields, heavy tire wear, oxygen sensors that only last 6 months,premature driveshaft wear, thumpy transmission, constant fluid leaks that destroyed the driveway....it was a car that required at least 2000$ a year in maintenance per year just to keep it on the road...and it had the worst cupholder of any car I have ever driven!! Still went to 300kkm before we sold it and bought a Volvo wagon. Wouldn't buy another subaru but was still a great car. My 08 Yaris with 320kkm has only had regular maintenance, tires every 4 years and one set of brakes in that time. Toyota crush all challengers for reliability by a wide margin. No contest. Wouldn't buy another Volvo either despite the lifechanging seats and immense raw power as the maintenance costs are astronomical and mechanical quality and design are even below the Subaru (fit and finish is top notch though)
@@rickywinthrop why did you buy the car with so many problems or failed to maintain it beforehand ?
@@rickywinthropsounds like a neglecting owner….any vehicle that is maintained will go a long time. Toyotas have a plethora of issues also. It all comes down to driving habits and service. Seems like there are more comments through this feed providing facts on the reliability of Subarus and other problems with Toyotas.. hmmmm hope that helps you. Good day
You should mention longevity, the dealer by me has a poster saying that 94% of all Subaru vehicles are still on the road after 10 years.
That's in part due to me driving my 2001 Outback that's been wrecked three times before I rebuilt it. 😂
The other 6% made it home!😂
That number actually used to be higher. They've been advertising that high percentage for over 20 years now.
Maybe others do worse, but 10 years is not a long time horizon to brag about.
The 94% is something to brag about. This coming from a Toyota Highlander owner.
Bought a brand new 2018 Subaru Forester. Went on an extended trip and have never been so uncomfortable in my entire life. Six months later the visor entire mechanism went. The loud screeching sound was unbearable every time one of us needed a visor to do its job. Took it in six times for replacement about every six months. Finally ran out of my extended warranty and they were charging me over $100 for each replacement. Then the turbo started going. Took that piece of junk with only 18,000 miles on it to a Toyota dealer and drove off in a used 2016 Toyota Highlander and watched that POS disappear in the rear view mirror! Three years later I couldn't be happier.
Unfortunately, any car company can produce the occasional lemon. Sorry you had such bad luck.
Goodbye.
Subaru Owner here with a great package, can't agree more.
Sixth Suuby - all new except the Liberty 2000 (Liberty 2000 70K km, WRX STi 2004 - 60K km, Liberty 2006 - 280K km, Forester 2008 - 80K km, Outback 2011 ~85K km, Forester 2019 50K km) and can't imagine a better drive, they really make cars All For The Driver. Though, I have to admit the Forester CVT in 2019 has some lackluster acceleration and it's the first auto I've got from Subaru but reliable AF (except the TCV that I had to warranty at 40K kms late last year).
The only issues I've had are the oil issues in the 2000s - Liberty and the WRX, 2019 - TCV on the Forester (EDIT: Which MrSubaru1387 just released a vide on last week!)
Can't fault either brands for reliability though (at least in Australia) compared to the Euro brands here. Also, I don't think many cars got the ANCAP 5-Star Safety rating outside of the Subaru's in the mid-2000s. The community here is quite small (tho it's grown mid-2010s+) but most are adventurous & friendly.
I've driven plenty of difficult trails here in Utah and I am continually amazed at the places I see Subarus especially old Outbacks. It is inspiring. Tons of people I love are diehard Subaru people and for good reason. BTW I'm a Toyota guy and my dad raised us in a Jeep...
Thank you, MrSubaru.
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The best thing I like about my Subaru is that the high mileage ones as cheap. I bought my first one for $250.00 with a seized engine. Installed a $650.00 scrap yard engine with 80 Kmiles. Followed your videos and did a refresh and it has been going strong ever since. Then bought a 160k 2017 outback that Subaru said that it needed a $11K tCVT. Got it for $3.5K. Changed the fluid and did a transmission reset and going good. The more other brand owners talk down Subarus the better deals I get. Next problem is people to see Subarus getting better all the time.
If you got a Toyota or Honda you probably wouldn't have to be changing the engine or transmission in it.
Cheap subarus are good subarus
Love your channel, you are a great “teacher” and your presentations are clear and understandable for anyone. Merci from Montreal.
I bought the 2022 WRX and now a 2024 Outback. It is shocking how good they both handle. Especially the Outback. It’s so comfortable and handles like a sport car. Crazy ❤
Right you are! Keep telling the truth Mr. Subaru! I'm glad you limited this video to 5 reasons otherwise this video could be hours! 👍
I’m surprised you didn’t mention Toyotas part ownership of Subaru. That honestly is an awesome partnership having two good companies joining forces. I have enjoyed my Toyota GR86 which is basically a Subaru BRZ so far with the boxer engine. The AWD system from Subaru is great. We had a Crosstrek before the 86 and the AWD system was impressive.
Would be great if both Subie and Yota collaborate and bring out a heavy duty pickup truck!
With that partnership it certainly would have been nice for Subaru to put the Toyota D4S fuel system on all their recent motors not just the BRZ.
My significant other got the 2019 Outback Limited with the 3.6 and multiport FI. Factory ordered with no sunroof or NAV saving almost $2K. Unfortunately a Subaru gremlin timing cover oil leak I caught just short of her warranty expiring. That was resealed under warranty and at least now 5,000 miles later seems to be holding. Always will be a concern but oh what a nice motor that’s smooth quiet and torquey. Pairs beautifully with the CVT and she’s averaging almost 26mpg. I love the car.
Heavy duty truck no….I’m a huge mini van lover and want to see a Subaru mini van in a Wilderness version 😆 I’d settle for an Outback with the Forester’s boxiness. Maybe an Ascent without a 3rd row seat but keep it the same size.
@@jeffjohanson3830 A Wilderness Sambar van would be unstoppable 😮
@@gobeklipepe now that would be awesome!
Great video, Mr. Subaru would you buy a 2024 Subaru ?and would a 2.0 be a good choice,for a get from A to B vehicle? Thanks
Have owned Yotas for over 30 years, two weeks ago I purchased a 17’ Yota 86 (BRZ). I’m completely blown away with this car. Love the engine and how it runs. The torque dip is minor and with a set of reasonably priced catted headers and a tune you’re good to go. Not being a Subie owner I was worried about reliability. I’m a 3k to 5k oil change guy for all my vehicles. Other than keep in up with the oil changes, is there anything else I can do to keep this running like new for many more miles?
Add this reason to the list: Subaru customers are not price gouged with market adjustments and non-negotiable dealer add ons when they are buying. I walked out of a Toyota Corolla Cross price negotiation and bought my 2023 Crosstrek Limited (new) a bit more than a year ago. I really like my first Subaru.
@@ZeGermanHamyou’re actually right. We walked out from Toyota and purchased for my wife a Honda…better experience. I was watching two other sales people working with a couple and a single person, they walked out before us. In the showroom you can’t help but hear bits of the conversation. They were turned off by the whole “toyota experience”. Wife is happy with her civic and I’m happy with my forester
I would add another item to the list. I currently own a Forester, a Legacy, and 2 Toyota RAV4s. They are all great vehicles, including the Toyotas, which have been very reliable. However, the Toyotas feel like soulless appliances. The Subarus just have a unique and engaging feel to them that the Toyotas lack.
I have 2012 Subaru Outback. Purchased new. Now have 130k miles. My mechanic is recommending I do not change the ATF. And just continue driving as is. No issue with the automatic transmission but does this sound right? Thanks
Is Subaru crosstreck 2019 nice used car for buying your recomendation please, your videos are very informative thank's
#4 VERSATILITY PERIOD
Long-time Toyota owner, recent Subaru (2020 Outback) owner. The TCV issue is sad but I did get the extended warranty letter for that, and I'm looking forward to dash lights firing up soon so that I can use that warranty. I don't like the battery draining every 2 years but yeah. I don't like the auto-stop but I can turn that off. I don't like the touch screen for everything but that's how cars go now. I like the 4-wheel drive [Edit- AWD, I know]. Overall, I've become cool with my Subaru. Odd that I don't have any of these issues with my other three Toyota's
I watch The Car Care Nut on RUclips, and while he doesn't knock the brand he always gives Toyota's a higher rating overall. Since we don't live in the north, probably staying Toyota.
there is a software update to deal with the battery issue - the ecu turns the alternator off to save gas on a pretty aggressive algorithm that the consequence is too many charge and discharge cycles - ever notice when you first start the motor whether engine hot or cold and it runs high rpm? that to recharge the calculated starter drain - then it shuts alternator off and car runs off the battery - so dumb. just like the auto star/stop - probably saves you. gallon of gas a YEAR at the expense of wear and tear - also dumb. at least the dealer will install a patch to tame the alternator issue
I had a 2012 forester I bought new. I liked it well enough, but two issues.
1. Minor. The head shield around parts of exhaust would collect snow in winter and freeze to ice and rattle.
2. Major. If you drove more than say 7,000 miles and then had a tire ruined by a road hazard you had to buy 4 new tires not 1 tire.
I know.. I did not believe the tire shop or the dealer and so I called Subaru and they said yes. 4 new tires because if there is more than 2/32 difference between the tires. The transaxle will spin at different speeds and wear out or break.
I had nothing but issues with my Toyota, so count yourself lucky. As for the TCV, it seems like a weaker point but doesn’t mean you will have issues, but if you do Subaru made it right. Toyota fought their brake and sludge issues as hard as they could.
@@DaveTheAligatorThat is with most AWD systems, not just Subaru.
I bought my wife a used 2019 Crosstrek without eyesight. Being an auto glass installer, I HATE eyesight recalibrations. Even with a dealer glass there is no guarantee you can recalibrate the system as it now requires a 96% or higher accuracy for a successful dual calibration. It does take upwards of six hours from windshield removal, replacement and calibration to complete the job if you are having problems recalibrating, as little as two if no issues.
I have had to deal with both ends, the worst was a 2014 forester with the first generation eyesight on the turbo. The owner told us the turbo was shot and it was throwing codes all over the place. I started at 10 am on a Friday and I finally gave up at 6:30 pm Friday in our shop. Three 100 km road trips of unsuccessful calibrations and using another company to help calibrate. Nothing. The customer eventually had to go to the dealer to get it sorted out.
Two weeks back I did a 2022 forester and I had the eyesight system calibrated within two hours. I also did a Crosstrek last week. Two hours. They are reliable, but the safety system is really finicky.
On a side note, my wife doesn’t want me to get a Subaru as she says one Subaru is enough in our family.
Love your channel Mr Subaru. Hey I wonder if you could answer a quick question? Do you know how difficult it is to replace the windshield washer reservoir on a 2019 Impreza? Mine has a leak. Thanks
live in Colorado and I am late 60yrs old. My family's first Subaru was a used 2018 (1 year old) Impreza. Then came a new 2019 Ascent, a new 2023 Ascent, a new 2022 Outback Onyx and a 2015 WRX modified. I guess I have been sold on Subaru.
Happy forester since 2000❤
I have 2009 Impreza, 112,00 miles. I bought it in 2011, 24,000 miles. I love the awd system. I am cautiously optimistic about the boxer engine. I don’t like that the head gaskets sit in the coolant and oil, instead of a v or inline, where the head gasket are away from those fluids. But I change the oil religiously and hope it will last a couple more yrs.
Hi guys. I have never had a subaru even though my wife and children (5 out of 7) have them. I recently got a 05 legacy gt wagon going. This car is amazing, smooth, quiet, cruises down the interstate, handles great, and has some gittyup. I am impressed. You didn't mention how easy they are to work on. I would like to see someone reolace their alternator in 20 minutes.
2012 Subaru Outback - 6spd Manual 165k miles. I did get the head gaskets done at 110,000. But I love my Outback
Former Toyota Rav4 2008 Owner now Subaru Forester 2023 owner. My Rav4 traded it in at 117k. Replaced the master brake cylinder 3x, Brake Boost, Head gasket 2x oil leaking, burned oil A LOT. Toyota had a notice but no recall on the possible fix. Toyota's solution was to fill oil, tape the dip stick and IF the oil was burned they would replace the oil ring. But only after the test. Oil burning was getting worse. Been happy with my Subaru. First AWD. So far so good.
My son is still driving our old 2010 Legacy Premium with the CVT. Original engine and transmission. I think he's replaced the water pump. Wife still has her 2016 3.6 CVT Outback and loves it.
Hello Mr Subaru. I'm in for a new car, and I've been thinking of the Crosstrek. I don't know much of Subarus, but what I do know is this!!! If I ever I have a question, I can count on you being there. All your videos are helpful, your tips and tricks, your constant support. For me this is worth something, you may not work for Subaru, or be the actual chief mechanic at some dealer, but such insight on one product is a tremendous help should I own one! Thank you for your support. Keep up the good work!
We have both. A 2021 Venza Limited and a 2023 Forester Wilderness. The Toyota is more refined in its drive in terms of quiet ride and features (almost entry level luxury) whereas the Forester is a great "everything" vehicle. The Toyota gets fantastic fuel economy (since it's a hybrid) but the Subaru has better in city driving characteristics (lighter steering, smaller turning circle). The Subaru was also almost $10k less expensive as well. We love both of them and are very happy with them, but they are very different vehicles even though they are both crossovers.
The hybrids are such logical cars, sigh, but the Venza space in back is markedly limited by the small opening, required to make the Venza attractive, I guess. I wanted a used Venza, with 43K miles on it, but was startled by the MRSP mark up of $5K on a used car. They didn't hide it, just slapped it the quote they gave me. I chose to keep my old car. I can buy a lot of years of gas for that $5K. I would believe the Subaru to be more practical than the Venza. However, next year the Toyota Hybrid system will be available in Subaru's, of course. I expect them to have MSRP mark up as well.
You have to give Toyota credit for sticking to it's guns in the face of the electric car craze. No one is really arguing that Toyota's are bad cars, they just have a reputation for not being emotion driven purchases. Subaru's have more emotion based purchasing, in my opinion. But I still think the CVT requires significant maintenance to last, much more than traditional transmissions. All about the mileage, I know. The new touchscreen in catching a lot of flak from reviewers, too.
@@user-handlethetruth The CVT in Subarus doesn't really require more maintenance, it just needs a flush and fill every 60,000 miles (100,000 kms). That is likely similar to what should be done with regular automatics as well. One may argue that the Subaru vehicles might be a little more needy to get the maintenance done, but it's something that should be done regardless. I likely would have bought a RAV-4 Hybrid but they aren't available (long waiting list) and I got lucky that this one was on the lot when I was there. A similar thing happened last year when we got the Forester, it was only on the lot because someone on the waiting list changed their mind, so we grabbed it, which worked out perfectly. Neither dealer added any extra markup or fees, just MSRP (which is the norm for Toyota and Subaru anyway) and we actually got fair value for the trade. We've been very happy with both vehicles.
I drive a 2012 2.5 Outback, 159M miles. I am still patiently waiting for my car to start using oil (Still does not use a drop, never has). I am still waiting for that CVT trans to fail me (Still performs flawlessly). I am still waiting for creaks, noises and air leaks to compromise the ride experience (Never has). I guess I will have to keep driving this car for several more years so I have a reason to sell it. Oh well....
My sister's family has two Subarus at this point. A 2018 Outback and a 2024 Crosstrek. The other day I was looking at used car adds......and found a 1996 Subaru Legacy Wagon. It was soooo cheap!! I figured it had to have bad head gaskets and lots more wrong with it!! On a whim, I went to see it .
Drove it, checked for overheating.....no problems found!! It had 255000 miles! Now 1200 miles later the ac is cold, the cruise works, heat works and tires are good. Wheelbearing s are a bit noisey and it must have rebuilt axles in it . The right front is noisey when hot. But it's my shopping and backroad burner!! Good country and dirt road car. Fits right in with my Dodge pickup and my Chevy Malibu. It ain't pretty but a good runner!!
The old owner filled it up and delivered it to me!! Nice folks here in Ole' Virginny!! Cheers Y'all!!
P/s.....got historic plates with lifetime registration and no inspection!! I may turn the whole fleet antique!! Hahaha 😆
I took a trip to AZ and UT in 2022, where Subaru is KING. I noticed so many of the Subarus sounded like there were pots, pans, and spoons in their engines. 😮 That was an ear and eye-opener.
This is good to see and hear I was getting overwhelmed with all the engine blows up or head gasket posts on social media even from Subaru owners saying they’re ok their third engine like how!? 😅 this video makes me appreciate Subaru even more 💪🏽
Since 2016 I've bought 3 new Subarus and no plans on anything else
Reliability through redundancy, smart
Wow 3 cars in 8 years that doesn't sound good at all must be a problem!
I own a 2020 4Runner and 2014 Subaru Outback and I get just as much enjoyment from the Outback and from people complementing on the way it looks ( I keep my cars in great condition). They're different animals but great fun. Ive owned both from new.
Completely different vehicles, your Toyota has a frame, Subaru handles sporty.
Yes, I have to agree with you, I had a 2007 Subaru Outback bought brand new and had it for ten years. I saw the commercials about "love" what makes a Subaru, and you know what I surely fell in love with it the longer I had it. I live in NYC and tried to get it stuck in the snow and just ended having a lot of fun in the process. I was a bit disappointed when they went with the CVT transmission because I had the old tried and true automatic with a real manual mode. And man that was fun!! Now I miss my subie and seriously thinking of getting a plain trim Forester with none of the big screens or electrical mumbo jumbo garbage.
We have been a life long Toyota family. Just traded in a Toyota for a Suburu and my son just got a Suburu instead of Toyota. Toyota has too many issues with quality lately, priced too high and not enough inventory to make prices reasonable.
Worked at toyota for 10+ years. My first car was a 90 Toyota Corolla then I got my hands on bmw 86 e30 then 2 e36 couple of years ago one of the techs at the dealer sold his 08 Subaru legacy with 140k on the engine and I love my subi I live in the east coast so tha all wheel drive is great on the snow. Both brands have their pros and cons but I think Subaru beats Toyota on safety. And bnw wheel the older models are great but todays bmw are hard to work on. Anyway love my subi thinking of buying one for my wife.
Thanks for rebalancing the debate with this video. I went through a period of anger and frustration with my 2017 Forester over some of the notorious parts I'd had to replace (like the well known control arms and wheel bearing issues.) But now I have just pased 171000 miles on my car, checked the oil and doesnt burn or leak any more that when brand new (negligible.) The CVT remains flawless even though I only managed one fluid change at 105k. And this car with the all wheel drive and anti-lock braking SAVED MY ASS from catastrophic accidents three times including in an ice storm last April in upstate New York. So all in all, I made the right choice when my 1997 Jeep Cherokee died and I went to a Subaru dealer. Going for 200000 next. I need one more set of tires but that's OK. This car has always gotten me home.
Was a longtime Honda VTEC fanboi with K20'ed cars. Got me a 19' BRZ and never looked back. Converted my retired parents to ditch their German car superiority mindset into 24' Outback XT, and they love it so much that they put on 5k miles in two months.
My brother is looking for Impreza RS for his daily right now, as well as I'm holding breath for what the end of VB WRX is gonna look like. TR lit some hope, but I still want the STi on the VB generation. So much potential... only to be limited by Subaru themselves is quite sad.
Currently 72 years old and up to 2013 drove nothing but Chevys. The last Chevy I owned was a 2009 4x4 Colorado king cab. Had nothing but trouble with it, drivetrain , engine, brake system, cooling system. Purchased a 2013 Outback put 310 thousand miles on it with no issues. Traded it in 21 for a 2021 Forester sport . Have put 52 thousand miles on so far with no issues.
We bought a 2016 RAV new to go along with our then 2011 outback. First winter, highway drive in the snow going up a fairly steep hill the RAV AWD system was constantly searching to find traction…flicking on and off and I could feel it in the way it drove. It was nothing like the outback in the snow. No sure footedness like you get in a Subaru. Decided right then and there that this was going to be short term ownership. June 2018 traded the RAV for a Crosstrek. The outback was replaced with a 2022 Forester. Nothing…absolutely nothing beats symmetrical AWD. Period. I’m a fan boy for a reason.
What kind of tires are we talking about?
I had Falken wildpeaks on my 2016 rav4 and it was pretty much unstoppable 😊
Yup, tires make a HUGE difference especially braking in snow. I now find just front wheel drive with 4 snows gets me to almost anywhere I need to be without drama. I do love Subaru’s AWD system though.
@@atticstatticwe drive with dedicated winter snow tires. At that time I had the best Michelin X Ice tires on the car. Believe me, there is a clear night and day difference between Toyota AWD and Subaru’s symmetrical AWD.
Back in June 2021 I traded in my 2017 Corolla LE for a 2018 RAV4 LE, absolutely enjoyed them both. I also wanted something with AWD, more room for cargo & for reliability. Never really thought about Subaru until this year. With interest rates at an all-time high, I saw that Subaru or their financed side of things were running 2.9% APR on the Foresters. Well, I'm a proud new owner of 2024 Subaru Forester Base Model. It now has a little over 800 miles & I will be doing the first oil change at 1,000 miles.
You will be replacing head gaskets
Big mistake, Subarus are high maintenance compared to Toyotas, especially at high mileage. Also quality is on par with mitsubishi
Amen. I have a 2011 Forester with 193, 000 miles doing well. Should I keep for another 100,000? The engine was given a new short block at 85,000 miles at no charge because of oil usage, now oil usage is minimal a little bit by 4000 miles. Body is in very good shape.
What would be a good subaru for my 16yr old daughter? Up to 7k, what yr and model would be reliable? What should i look for?
10 year owner of a 2006 Subaru STI in the UK. Over here we know if you want fun and performance its a Subaru, However there is no question if you don't want problems and great reliability its Toyota for the win by far. The amount of 1990 Toyotas still going is crazy and over here with consent rain that's some feet.
The only thing Toyota seem to have over most other car brand is their hybrid system
Customer support too is pretty good for a big company.
Subaru and toyota collaborated on the ecvt used in the 2019-2023 crosstrek hybrid (and still essentially kept symmetrical awd but at the cost of no lower trunk space since the battery needed it), I expect it to return in MY2026.
Hi Mr Subaru, I have a 2014 crosstrek hybrid. I use it to pull out a guy that run over a ditch. About two days after am hearing a knock sound in the transmission area near the drive shaft. When I put the vehicle on a jack stand and rotate the front wheel back and forth the knocking sound can be heard. I can also hear the sound when accelerating after breaking and when switching between reverse and drive.
Yo MR.subaru will a axle back exhuast ruin the reliabilty of my sti with no other mods, i just want to add sound to my car eliminates the mufflers, jusy two bolts drop muffler and replace with namless mufflers. Will that ruin back pressure do i need a tune? Am i better just keeping it stock. I would love to hear the rumble but i dont want to compromise reliabilty
Subaru rules for evaaaa ❤
They are proud of the used Toyotas, very pricey, i asked the salesperson if they were planning to retire
Whats your thoughts on the 2.0 FA20 engines. They pretty reliable or nah? Low key I have mines modded at 290 whp and 380 flex fuel. It’s at 111k miles. I rip it sometimes and it feels great but lately I’m like oh my gosh the miles are up there but feel confident it’ll last the 250k miles 😛😝
So glad you touch this topic i bought one of my first subaru an I have had nothing but hate saying I made a horrible decision I really thought I did my homework. Subi has treated me well no complaints so far
totally agree about adaptability.. love my 2012 forester x touring..
just put some new fallkan wildpeaks on it looks wicked
Bought a new Toyota RAV 4, hated it! Had a trim piece fall off, the moon roof rattled, the engine would scream when taking off in traffic, and the brakes would squeal after I took it on dirt roads. Bought a new 2023 Subaru Forester, I love my Forester!!
In the spring of 1971 while a junior in high school my father was so impressed with the Subaru FF1 that he bought one for me. I loved it! He liked it so well that he began buying Subarus for himself in 1972. Since my first one I never even considered any other passenger car and just bought my ELEVENTH one (2024 Outback Touring). I LOVE Subaru!
I have had a couple Toyotas throughout the years. I have a tundra currently. I do appreciate how much more easily repairable my Subaru is. My Toyota has kicked my butt a couple times on a few repairs. To me I love them both! They are both great car brands and both have very good reliability! Thank you Mr Subaru for the video!
My 02 Subaru legacy (liberty) has 302,000km on its 2L boxer engine N/A, only thing engine wise I've done is spark plugs, ignition leads, oil change, and recently valve cover gaskets. Other than that engine runs smick. Replaced clutch and clutch fork 2 years ago and they were original from 02. Keep up on maintenance and any engine will last forever
love your channel
my family drives Toyota and Subaru
love em both
What do you think about the Subaru 2023 Ascent?
Bought my first Subie this past Jan, a 2024 Outback premium. Its a great car and I'm very happy with it so far. I've had mostly Hondas and Toyotas and one Jeep Grand Cherokee. One more thing about the symmetrical 4-wheel drive, because it's always on (not waiting for slippage to engage) it really makes a difference. I drove up a moderately steep slush covered street with absolutely no slippage that my Grand Cherokee wouldn't have managed so well. Also very smooth on the highway, super comfortable overall.
Get ready for the haters!
Nah, I’ve only owned Hondas and Toyotas, but always thought the Outback was a great looking car. Also enjoy this channel.
@@BC-te9ow Only a "great looking" car? That is an insult! 😂
Subarus are great (we have them) the AWD is better than Toyota and they do get better marks for safety.
The data shows though that Toyotas last longer and cost their owners less to keep on the road. For us, it was worth it to have the subie.
@@thomas735 when I bought my first Subaru seven years ago, the date I read at the time suggested that not only did Toyota have an initial hire price point. It also cost more to maintain. Not astronomically, but just more.
@@user-xg6qj5yp6r hmm, just going based off my experience and what I’ve read
In the mid 1990s we needed to trade our Ford Taurus. We went to a Subaru dealer and the salesman spent a lot of time explaining why a Subaru was good choice. We walked across the street to the Toyota dealer and all he did was badmouth Subaru. He did not provide one reason why his Toyota was better. We bought our first Subaru, a Legacy wagon. Then we bought a Tribeca. We bought a Ford Edge after that but then replaced it with an Ascent. In the mean time our son had a Forester that he loved. And we added a 2016 Legacy to the mix so I could reduce the miles I was putting on my truck. Great cars. Simple as that.
Have you ran into a voltage draw issue on STI 08-14 where you hear some clicking sounds from around the passenger glove box area after parked for a few days?
You hit it right on the head. I bought a 2022 Subaru Forester Premium in January 2022. I loved it. But, I wanted the Forester Wilderness. It had just come out that year. So we waited. I traded the Premium for the 2024 Forester Wilderness....Geyser Blue, of course! My wife and I love it even more. Subaru of Georgetown, Texas, was awesome. They gave me a great trade-in for the Premium. We had 31,000+ miles on it. This was January of this year. The Wilderness is more awesome. I'm a Subaru fan for life. Oh, by the way #6 on your list should be, they have the best commercials. LOL!
I like how you referenced Scotty without mentioning his name. Current Toyota owner here but I like Subarus because of their AWD and strong body shell/frame that might be helpful in a collision. I notice that you did not mention the latter in your video.
The key to comedy is timing. At the moment, I have a 2009 Outback and a 1999 Camry (like the white, lifted one) parked outside. The longitudinal engine and all-wheel drivetrain together make a much more pleasant drive. That generation of Camry, however, has a more comfortable driving position. I can't generalize on reliability because both were older, higher-mileage units when I got them.
I have a 2011 Camry and a 2023 Outback The Camry still runs like it did from day one. Quiet and smooth. I also do like the outback for the all wheel drive and the room and road trips. But the boxer engine is kind of loud and I don't know if that is a boxer thing or what. Both are great vehicles.
I have a 2022 Subaru Forrester Wilderness. Can you please tell me the largest mud grip tires l can install that won’t rub and fit in the spare tire compartment?
#5 community: I have two thoughts.
1. My hobby is cave exploring. We are a community because we rely on each other to keep each other safe while we explore caves. At least half of the cavers I know have Subarus. (Mostly Foresters and Outback’s, because often the caves are in very remote locations.) I remember one cave expedition where we all met at this wide spot on a US Forest Service road, and all five vehicles were Subies.
2. Shoutout to Orsini Design who offers a great selection of Subaru themed overlays on the line go plates on you favorite Subaru. I love the little California Flag bear on my key fobs.
Thanks I bought "The World is Flat" decal 😂. Orsini Vinyl & Designs
Holy %&#$ Ma! Come take a look at this!
Roberts gone and kicked the hornest nest again!
"Roberts gone and kicked the hornest nest again" It seems that way! You'd need sample(s) of both brands of vehicles and to get the micrometers, hardness gauges and so on out to truly tell the difference in quality. For example, the Toyota 2JZ engine had far more uniform block thickness and higher block hardness than the Nissan RB30 and Ford Barra blocks. Both the Nissan and Ford had exhibited undesirable "core shift" of the sand core during block casting (creating potential weak thin spots), where Toyota avoided that. That's where Toyota showed their superior manufacturing ability and superior quality.
By all means the Subaru all wheel drive system is pretty good, but I would NOT jump to the conclusion that Subaru engines are better made than Toyota engines or that Subaru transmissions are better made than Aisin transmission unless there was *plenty* of evidence to show it! [Subaru can't even use the right amount of sealant on BRZ/GR86 engines, that's not a good look...]
In my opinion, Subaru use their own automatic (the CVT) and their own 6-speed manual (the TY75 box) instead of Aisin units, simply because it's cheaper for them to do so (and it keeps the Subaru transmission factory ticking over), not because these transmissions are actually better than Aisin transmissions (like the one in the WRX STi). But feel free to correct me! 🙂
Subaru haven't actually made a business of selling transmissions (or engines) to anyone else (unless I'm mistaken) unlike Aisin or Toyota, which might say something... 🤔
@@TassieLorenzoso Toyotas transmissions are sold to others spreading the flaws?? Hmmm
Kan you help with how to get to trip the komputer into its leaner mode? When I kame over to lincoln I got 18 to 24.2 mpg. Lokally again it gives me a miserable 7 to 10.4. How kan we flash an 04 Forester that it stays in a lean mode?
Mr. Subaru, I have a 2023 Subaru Outback wilderness. I noticed that the dealer overfills the engine oil by a lot, every time I have taken it to the dealer. Why are they doing that? Is there going to be damage to the engine? I notice they also did that to my 2013 Subaru legacy. That one does burn oil now at a 132,000 miles. Could you please reply?
Subarus dominate the difficult to get to trailhead parking lots in the mountains because people know what can get them there reliably and safely. 😊
Number (unknown?): Subaru is in a great partnership where Toyota currently has about a 20% stake in Subaru, with 3 new EVs being recently announced for 2026. Cheers to an even better future for both Toyota and Subaru!
My wife has a 2010 Rav4. I've always been the one to drive it on long road trips and I honestly hate it. I never liked how it handled or drove. It has been a reliable vehicle though, with very few problems. I got myself a 2024 OBW back in September. It has become our road trip car and is my daily driver. It handles so much better, is much more comfortable, has more interior space and it's much more responsive than the Rav4 ever was even on day one.
I bought a 2006 outback a month ago. It is my first subaru, and I love it. I saw a guy driving a forester, and he waved. I didn't know that was a thing 😊