SHOWDOWN! -- 2025 Subaru Forester Touring vs. 2024 Toyota RAV4 XSE: Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2024
- Here's our comparison between the New 2025 Subaru Forester Touring and 2024 Toyota RAV4 XSE Hybrid!
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0:00 Intro
0:51 Pricing Breakdown
2:00 Detailed Exterior Comparison
4:21 Interior Comparison
8:39 Test Drive & Impressions Comparison
14:07 Sound Level Reading (dB) Comparison
15:32 Resale, Reliability, and Value
17:18 Comparison Conclusion
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The new 2025 Forester is Beautiful! Since I have had many Foresters and one Outback, I am sticking to the Forester!!!!
Toyota's hybrid system's cost performance remains remarkably strong. Subaru's upcoming hybrid will also use the Toyota system, so we're looking forward to it.
The fuel efficiency of a toyota and the capability of a subaru 😮😮🎉is gonna be amazing
YOU NEVER TALK ABOUT THE SAFETY , SUBARU HAVE THE FIRST PLACE 🥇.
Im going to say this in every comparison. Bigger wheels is not a benefit. Higher tire cost, worse ride and lower fuel economy.
Cool factor and better handling with the larger diameter, but even that can be affected by other things. Personally, 18” is my maximum - anything bigger is just not practical for these types of vehicles.
One big pothole is all it takes to regret the big wheels.
And if you're actually taking your SuV off road. -Not good!
Any size wheel can accommodate a tire size to your liking. Larger wheels means less rubber for the same tire diameter, which means more likely a flat when hitting potholes/curbs. Smaller wheels are better in that regard.
@@patrickliston9595that’s not true. Large wheels can’t accommodate a tire with a large sidewall and still fit on the car.
Test drove both 2024 editions and I went with the Forester 🙌
Enjoyed your videos. I drive a 7-8 year old Subaru Outback. I really like that it has auto-dimming rear view mirrors (optional). They make driving at night a lot better, without getting glares. This option is something that most cars in the price range don't even offer. A lot new luxury vehicles offer the feature only on drive side mirror. I think you should consider in your feature comparison. :-)
I own a 2017 Outback (bought in 2016) and it has been great. I don't like the interior changes on the newer models.
A comparison on a Saturday, we’re getting spoiled, great video!!
Forester all day, every day.
Forster interior look like 2015 cars model
@@sulaimansafi5457 do you really think your comment matters? 🤭
@@moneypenny174Lol you sound like a Subie fanboy! 🤣
@@lennygarrison6836 and you sound like you take the bus, Mr Garrison! 🤣🤣🤣🚌
@@moneypenny174I actually do take the bus. I’m accompanied by your mom! She goes everywhere with me!!
5yr+ old design of the rav4 is still going strong..even compared to redesigned/refreshed models..that speaks volume on how good the rav4 is..
Or it could just be complacency because it sells so well and Toyota isn't compelled to innovate or improve.
Great review. Just discovered Car Confections and I will be returning as I compare cars. Well done.
Thank you, friend!
I don’t know but my forester pulled rav4 and crv out of snow in Minnesota in past two years.
Leased a Subaru and it was be my last. 2019 Subaru Legacy with oil consumption issues. They refused to do an oil consumption test and just did free oil changes until my lease was over. The service manager literally said they are not allowed to do oil consumption test unless it’s severe. Mine was burning about a quart every two weeks. I wonder what severe was!?!?! Toyota all day. Now own a 2022 Camry Hybrid LE and it’s great.
Yup, I own a Subaru and it consumes 1qt per 1k miles. And sometimes more. I’m the only one still checking oil level at every gas fill-up like it’s the 60’s. Love the AWD system, but I wish. Subaru would just get its engine (or transmission) together.
We have both. The forester is much easier to get in and out for older less flexible people. The RAV has more power ,better fuel injection system and is more fuel efficient.
One caregory you omitted was safety. Check the IIHS ratings.
I’m very happy with my 2024 RAV4 hybrid Limited here in NZ - haven’t seen the new Forester but as a past owner of 2 Foresters, I know they’re good. Hybrid system in Rav is great - I’m averaging 5.5 L/100
For the price point, Subaru > Toyota.
I had the 2022 RAV4 Hybrid XSE and it felt cheap with the road noise, fake leather, cheap interior, bland sound system, and finicky rear lift gate.
$40k is much better spent on the Subaru!
Although the Forester has a larger infotainment display, it’s arguable the usable viewable area is smaller for maps as it’s in portrait mode, and parts of the screen is permanently dedicated to HVAC controls.
That is one stupid laggy infotainment screen..Subaru acts like they dont have money to change anything.
Please make the decibel measurement during acceleration also.
You should include glove box storage along with console storage.
Good comparison!
Waiting for my 2025 Forester Sport !
I hope you get it faster than it for from 0 to 60 😂
@@akilghosh😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
What do mean by dual exposed outlets on the rear of the RAV4 vs SF?
Thanks for the great reviews! I just bought a 2024 Subaru Forester Touring, as I kind of like the features over the new 2025. Please do a sound test locally so we can get a comparison. Also, on your "sound test chart" you have a smile rating....what is the basis???
Forester for me.
Love your video 📹 ❤️ 💕 ♥️ 💗
The forester 0 to 60 is PAINFUL
I owned three Foresters and said I didn't need a turbo. Then one day the dealer offered me a ridiculous trade-in price for my 2019 Forester on a '22 Outback Wilderness, which comes with the turbo engine. I would never go back! I really wanted a Forester Wilderness, but won't get one without the turbo.
If they would just do what Toyota does: a 200+h.p. 4 cyl. And small electric assist motor for power in acceleration. Better gas mileage as bonus!
And it’s going to hit10 seconds if they don’t come up with more power.
My Fozzy XT 0 to 60 5.9
@@stephenrosenfeld833 Yup. I got the Forester XT back in 2014, and am struggling to find a suitable replacement. I could live with the lesser acceleration of a RAV4, but the lack of content at the price point is a trade-off. But yeah, this Forester is barely adequate on power. You really feel it once you get over about 50 mph, then it just has no punch. FYI, the Forester Wilderness uses different gearing (same 2.5 engine though), which gives it better acceleration (at the price of mpg). But that suspension/wheel/tire combo felt too mushy vs the other trim levels. Not worth it if you don't off-road or need your roof rack to carry a 700 lb static load. I think the Outback Wilderness has gearing that makes it quicker than the other XT Outbacks too. I was almost ready to pull the trigger on the '24 Touring Forester, which is being offered for pretty good prices, but I just couldn't see myself being happy with the gutless drivetrain. Back to the drawing board on the car search. Kind of hesitant to jump into a new RAV 4, because I'm seeing that the '25 model year will be all new. Ditto the CX-5 over in Mazda world. Subaru drivetrain engineers need to burn some midnight oil to get the hybrid coming soon.
I’ve never expected boxer engines to be efficient.
Wish they could’ve compared this with the Limited RAV4 since it would also be the highest trim level.
RAV4 has such a price premium these days we had to go one down from the top
Need to compare similar price points for apples to apples comparison. And yeah Rav4 is overpriced.
I've been watching your reviews for sometime now. You guys are simply awesome! I'll go with the Subaru Forester anytime!!!
I live in NJ, and we have had rough winters, so I would get the Forester.
Forester owners loves the start stop features.
Can you please do a comparison between Honda CRV - Touring & 2025 Forester- Touring? Thanks
Until the Forester release a real Forester Hybrid this showdown goest to the Rav 4.
I did not see the the comparison of the superior 4 wheel compared to Ravv 4 . What happened ?
The Forester lacks the passenger shelve that the RAV4 does have and also the lack of physical knobs for the HVAC is a huge disadvantage for the Forester...
*they both suck regarding approach angles...
I don’t get the part why the forester gets .5 point for $500 price difference. Gas alone would save you more money in a long run + 2 free year Toyota care.
Looks like a ipad or tablet just glued onto the dash for the subie
I like Forester. But that weird CVT acceleration bugs me. I like how the engine sounds with the classic gear switching. But when the car accelerates and the engine RPM freeze at 3000-4000 RPM it sounds like you trying to run a car on the first gear only. Weird feeling.
Subaru sound system sounds terrible with too much bass and tinny treble, and no midrange but since you used different music we don't know if it was the song's fault.
Which model is cheaper to maintain and service?
Love your videos but how is comparing a Hybrid to a gas powered car equals when is comes to mpg. I feel that if this is gonna be more objective and straightforward you should leave gas mileage out of consideration for points. But I do respect your choices and do think you guys are very helpful
The fact that a 4 year old vehicle ties a NEW vehicle means the Toyota is the winner regardless.
Ventilated seats only come on the highest level of the Forester as well. Won't find it on Sport, unfortunately.
Wow first time ive seen a tie breaker!
Hi guys ,does the 2025 Subaru Forester come now with a redesigned the cooling system.regards
Look for a video by Mr Subaru very recently about that topic. Yes, they have corrected the issue with the plastic part and have gone back to aluminum. When I heard about that problem and that the '25 is corrected, I decided to wait for the '25
Wondering if Subaru still have the TCV failure issue or changed the design yet. Heard they even avoid to honor the warranty.
for 2025 another RUclips said they changed the design. Problem solved.
i liked the 2024 design subaru forester, they took the face than represent this suv brand away and put a ford explorer copycat on it. its awful.
It’s strange that you don’t have the hybrid option for the Forester, it’s the only option available in the UK.
Would it be fair to do a gas model versus gas model instead of hybrid versus gas model?
Why not when the hybrid is available for the same price of Forester.
@@Gopinathk17 because they are not the same bruh that's why. Non hybrid vs Non hybrid is what should of been compared in this video.
@@SebastianMonroe-yd3nu I know they are not same but price wise can get Rav4 hybrid XSE trim for the same price of touring trim of forester, that's why I said.
Even if you compare it with the gas version of Rav4, the forester is much underpowered and less reliable power train and high maintenance costs comparatively.
@@Gopinathk17 it dont matter anyways, soon all 100% gasers will be gone. you will either be sportin a gas/elec, hydrogen/elec, nuc/elec, footin on foot or ridin a horse like the old days.
On looks alone, the RAV4 is a zillion times better, I don't care how "old" the design is.
Rav4 of course!i tou dont care the overheated cvt choose subaru
Love this one!!
How is outlander mitsubishi as compared to them??
I love the Forester, but Subaru needs to improve the power train.
Design as well
Honestly if u want more power Subie ain’t it I have the 2017 xt trim in my view the best trim bc of that engine but the forester isn’t that flashy model it’s a basic do almost everything suv
@@johnfranktullo3463 At 30k, the competition has better powertrains, even if the Forester is superior in other respects. It's not like Subaru does not have better powertrain options available.
@@notsodelusional like what ?
@@johnfranktullo3463 outback has a turbo. In terms of competition, every other manufacturer has a hybrid option that gets better mpg. Some get better mpg and are faster.
Для тех кто не любит вариатор ... Прочитайте про коробку xa 50 которая стоит на rav и вы будете неприятно удивлены какие проблемы с ней на 70 миль пробега. Многие на нее плюются и говорят что вариатор тойота ходит дольше чем АКПП на порядок. Те надежные 4 ступенчатые АКПП ушли в прошлое.... И это общая проблема что и dsg на Volkswagen.
I test drove the new model rav4 when it came out and at 5'11" it felt a little cramped up front, I did think the camera in the mirror was cool though.
On the other hand I've driven a newer model Forester recently and it is super roomy up front, both with head room and the distance the wind shield is away from the driver. It reminded me a lot of the 2005 Scion xB I used to own.
I currently own a 2017 Outback and it feels just right.
Gonna tell you one thing. I’m 6’6 and I don’t fit in a rav4 at all. As a passenger I can squeeze but my knees hit the wheel to drive so keep that in mind. I do fit everywhere in the forestor.
So happy Subaru decided to make it look like a Ford Escape. Winner! 😅
Amazing job on your site with all the info. When I researched with my insurance company one car I was looking at was half as much as another same class car for yearly insurance. Be interesting to list this and factor that in also.
Thanks! That's very interesting how that happens. Insurance is so odd...
I think I'd go for a base model mazda cx90 for 38k, need to test drive it first though and it's much bigger, lol
Wasn’t it 8.2 for both?? How did the rav-4 win?
Didn’t get that one….
I just bought a 2025 Forester sport. Love it so far. Amazing interior quality, smooth ride, with low road noise.
If you want awd the lowest trim for the rav 31+
Subaru stars at 27+
Toyota quality is not the same anymore as 20yrs ago.
For this comparison, I will pick Subaru for two reasons: 1. Its eyesight safety is the best 2. It made in Japan.
The 2025 Forester will be built in Indiana.
なぜSubaruは、いつもデザインで茨の道を自ら選択するんでしょうか。
Forester has a CVT. The gas Rav does not. You did mention CVT? Why?
Rav 4 has eCVT. Completely different.
Having a fully digital gauge cluster is absolutely NOT a benefit.
How could that possibly go wrong???
Sad how they butchered the redesign IMO. It's an Explorer clone now. The previous design was so much better. Took it off my list because of it. Just can't get over the front end.
Toyota and Subaru are now join venture companies.
Ha, finally figured it out, The new Forester takes design cues from Toyota...and Ford. I said this in so many of the new reviews of the 2025 Forester. Now it's obvious! Too bad Suby is losing its own brand looks to homogenize w other cliche brands.
Being a 6 times Subaru's owner, my next will not be Subaru anymore. Main reason is in my country, dealer are not bringing in any turbo model but all the boring and NA model. My next likely will be Hybrid and there's only 1 Hybrid king in the market and that is Toyota.
Another reason is Subaru seems to ditch turbo variant. I'm not sure why there's no turbo model for Forester but they bring it back to Outback.
Turbo impacts engine longevity. If you regularly trade in your cars, no issue, but if you want a vehicle that can go 200k or more, turbo is a liability
Subaru por lejos ofrece una mejor calidad e integridad.
To buy Subaru Forester 🎉
Great video.
The problem with Hybrid that people don't take into account is the cost of the car + ownership time. The only way you're breaking even on your money with Hybrids is if you own the car for about 7 - 10 years depending on which year you got it. I always feel this should be addressed.
I just wish Toyota would update their RAV 4 design. I personally think it's just outdated and the interior just feels plastic like to me.
Aren’t most people buying these cars to last? I know I expect to be running my RAV4 for ten years plus, especially given that, here in the UK at least, we get a 10 year warranty so long as it’s serviced by Toyota.
Personally I'd go with Forrester... I prefer its looks more than the softer Toyota look they've been doing for a long time, and its a bit more cramped in the driver seat from what I've experienced. I debate on going hybrid....sure you get more HP and you save on some maintance and gas, but you kind of kick the costs down the line for when the battery or e-cvt needs fixing down the line - basically looking at traditional transmission repair costs. Subaru's are pretty reliable and have better saftey and real AWD. Not a beast fort sure, but the additional maintancese and gas use does hurt it. But you will get more bang for your buck and their interest rate is way lower than Toyota's lately who don't care if you walk out the door lately.. Its a tough call and you can't go wrong with either. It comes down to preferences really
Conventional engine (ICE) is better compared to Hybrid like almost all cars nowadays. Nothing to worry about if look after it and change the oil periodically without fail. Less fuel consumptions for Hybrid considered nothing if it is time for you to change batteries. Moreover service charges for repair, cost you a lot more than the conventional engine!!!
I would go with the 2025 Forester, if Subaru comes out in late 25 or 2026 using a "Toyota" Hybrid System, this will be a RAV4 killer!
Do you consider different markets in case of reliability and resale value? For instance, are those results applicable in Australia?
So our data comes from U.S companies that sample vehicles sold in the United States. That being said, brands often use the same powertrains, parts and even the same build locations for the models they sell all around the globe, including Australia
Let’s compare with 25 Toyota
Two great cars.
Also take in mind what vibes your local dealership is giving out? Did they hold down prices when the Covid things was in swing? Is the service department good enough? Does the sales team feel pushy -- fast talkers? Do people buy the same car or brand again? Toyota has loyalty, but we hear of discontent about the RAV4. OK that may be common place as well. In real life safety, the RAV4 AWD is doing well, and the 2WD OK, but the Forester is pretty consistent every year as a top score with Insurance claims and does pretty good with Death Rate in Cars data, though the top pick in actually the Outback --- tops in safety. Looks wise and power to weight wise, the CrossTrek looks like a good choice? If driven on the highway and in town more, which to buy??? I looked at the Mazda CX-5 some time back, but the A pillars seemed fat to me, and/or in the wrong position for my height and seat position, perhaps, to see out properly. Do others find CX-5 sightline lacking? Otherwise -- cool car!
I find the Forester has more comfortable seats, better suspension, and with the low center of gravity boxer engine, corners better.
You are aware the Subaru is a CVT. The Subaru CVT is a 100k to 125K mile Transmission. The Rav four is a 250k to 300k transmission. The Subi trans axle is double the rebuild or replacement cost. The car can become instantly worthless at 100k miles. As long as Subaru offers ONLY CVT by their choice, I will consider them junk.
This info is from 2012. Newer cvts are much more reliable now
@@SageLakshmi They are not as reliable as a standard auto, the repair numbers say it loudly. I you chose to accept junk transmissions it will be your choice, not mine.
So, technicaly, if forester had same power train as Rav-4, then it would be a clear winner?
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Infofainment and external design are bad as well.
In other way, If Rav4 makes interiors bit more comfortable then its a checkmate.
This is just the comparison I was waiting for. When I come out of the grocery store into the parking lot it seems every third vehicle is a RAV4. For that reason I'd go with the Subu although I think I'll wait for the hybrid version.
Forester is compact? WOW
Ordered the 2025! Third Forester on its way!! Have had 4 Foresters!!
The biggest "no" for me in the forester is the CVT.
Another channel compared a Crosstrek Wilderness to TRD RAV4 in deep snow, the Crosstrek was better and the AWD system on the RAV4 overheated.....
There will always be people like this. Just like there's always people who will refuse to own an automatic over a manual.
I thought that too, then i bought a crosstrek and when im off road it genuinely surprises me how nice and smooth the cvt is.
I recently ordered a 2025 Subaru Forester Touring to replace my 2018 Subaru Forester Limited. This will be my 5th Subaru. I also, currently own a 2019 Subaru Ascent Touring.
Why that many Subarus? You should have given a try for Toyota or Mazda.
What's up with the brake light on Toyota being as small as a 1970's bicycle tail light?
Easily the New Forester Reason Being No Need to Change the Hybrid Batteries in the Future 😕❤😎🇺🇲.
How does air come through the moonroof ?😂
The Subaru Forester is great on snow and ice. I like the 2.5L non-turbo boxer engine of the Forester. Don't care for the look of the Toyota.
I'm all in with the Suby!!!!!!!
Hate SUV's I want wagons like the ones in Europa, Asia, Australia... better handling, lower roof line - easier to load a Thule box... bike, etc.
I prefer the Forester for safety all around. Exclusive Symmetrical all wheel drive.
Hybrids are good in the city/ frecuent stops help to improve gas mileage. In the highway, the story is different; no gain. More weight to carry over.
2025 forester leasing at 8.49% APR in Ontario...😂😂😂 they don't want to sell.
Both are great cars, but different at the same time. This Forester is a new generation, and in my opinion has a better (more "premium" ) interior as well, however the RAV4 is a hybrid option...well..not an easy choice but fuel efficiency aside, I would go to the Forester.
Toyota because have hybrid system, mutch better fuel economy, more power.