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hi guys! Certified Subaru Salesperson here :) GREAT JOB!! only thing I caught which is extremely easy to miss is the Subaru Touring Forester does NOT have homelink.
We just got a 25 forester touring as a loaner from our Buick dealership while our Buick is being repaired. Overall, it's pretty nice. But I don't notice the ventilated seats at all while driving. I'm also not a big fan of the seats. But I also have 2 batteries in my lower back. The seats cause a lot of pressure points right where my stimulator batteries are. I am certain than for most though, the seats will be very comfortable. The tech in the forester is pretty impressive for it's price in my opinion. I hate the cvt, but will admit, you don't notice it during daily city driving. Only at highway speeds do you notice the drone from it. All in all, if I didn't have the batteries in my back, I would buy one.
Leased a Subaru and it was be my last. 2019 Subaru Legacy with oil consumption issues. They refused to do an oil consumption test and just did free oil changes until my lease was over. The service manager literally said they are not allowed to do oil consumption test unless it’s severe. Mine was burning about a quart every two weeks. I wonder what severe was!?!?! Toyota all day. Now own a 2022 Camry Hybrid LE and it’s great.
Yup, I own a Subaru and it consumes 1qt per 1k miles. And sometimes more. I’m the only one still checking oil level at every gas fill-up like it’s the 60’s. Love the AWD system, but I wish. Subaru would just get its engine (or transmission) together.
One unmentioned advantage for the Subaru is the dealers willingness to negotiate. My area Toyota dealer piles on a hefty fee for delivery and doesn’t apear to discount while area Subaru dealers will negotiate.
I own a 2019 RAV with 100,000 miles on it. We plan to buy a Forester within a year after the hybrid arrives. When you compare a hybrid vs. a non-hybrid, you should consider the additional price and the payout time for the hybrid vs. a non-hybrid. We think the Forester AWD is far superior and the steering is much better; it is a better value.
Most people who buy RAV4 don’t even need that 4WD superiority from Subaru. That’s why it sells like a hot cake. Regardless Subaru is a good choice for driving dynamics and 4WD system.
Toyota's hybrid system's cost performance remains remarkably strong. Subaru's upcoming hybrid will also use the Toyota system, so we're looking forward to it.
toyota will only give subaru a gimped hybrid version, in other words its not gonna be as good as a rav4 hybrid or will probably use a last generation hybrid system that gives lower mpg. forester is a full time awd, awd = piss poor mpg. stop dreaming.
@@LostUndertheSky I just say Subaru will be improved. Toyota have a highly efficient Atkinson cycle ICE and no propeller shaft in E-Four. It's shameless to proudly claim what is obvious…
Enjoyed your videos. I drive a 7-8 year old Subaru Outback. I really like that it has auto-dimming rear view mirrors (optional). They make driving at night a lot better, without getting glares. This option is something that most cars in the price range don't even offer. A lot new luxury vehicles offer the feature only on drive side mirror. I think you should consider in your feature comparison. :-)
Great information! For consideration: If your 6’6” the Forester is the best, if your 6’6” and walk with a cane the ease of egress and ingress is a consideration the Forester is best, if your enjoy getting off the beaten trail the Forester is best, last but not least the Forester feature for feature at the top end costs less and can be purchased for below MSRP with no dealer fees. Our special order Forester will be delivered mid January
Three other items in the Forester's favor: 1. You can simply walk in and buy the Forester off the lot, with no dealer markup. Doing so with an XSE Hybrid is highly unlikely. Dealer markups on hybrid Toyotas are legion, and they never seem to have the specific color/trim/packages that you want in stock. 2. The Rav4 is due to be replaced next year with an "all new" model, so your brand-spankin' new 2024 Rav4 will soon be the "old" model, inside and out, whereas this new Forester is the new model. 3. You can order a Forester from your dealer exactly the way you want it, again, with no dealer markup. You can't do spec orders with the Rav4. You have to choose from the dealer's allocation, and possibly then fight other customers to get that specific vehicle. Three items in the Rav4's favor: 1. No CVT. The gas model uses a conventional eight-speed automatic tranny. The hybrid uses a virtually bombproof e-CVT that shares no parts or design elements with a conventional CVT. 2. D-4S dual port/direct injection. Prevents carbon buildup on the intake valves that results from direct injection-only fuel injection like the Forester's. 3. Far more long-term reliable powertrains. While the recent Forester motors have become less prone than before to leaks and other issues, any of the three Rav4 powertrains have more proven track records for trouble-free longevity.
I'm looking for a new car, and was waiting for the 2025 RAV5, but I'm still torn. My brother says Rav4 XLE, my best friend says Foresters Sport. I'm not planning to get a hybrid, because I'm hearing the Hybrid has issues, especially once you get to 100k miles here the Battery could cost more to replace than the car itself, and I normally hold my cars for around 175k miles.
@@SebastianMonroe-yd3nu I know they are not same but price wise can get Rav4 hybrid XSE trim for the same price of touring trim of forester, that's why I said. Even if you compare it with the gas version of Rav4, the forester is much underpowered and less reliable power train and high maintenance costs comparatively.
@@Gopinathk17 it dont matter anyways, soon all 100% gasers will be gone. you will either be sportin a gas/elec, hydrogen/elec, nuc/elec, footin on foot or ridin a horse like the old days.
I’m very happy with my 2024 RAV4 hybrid Limited here in NZ - haven’t seen the new Forester but as a past owner of 2 Foresters, I know they’re good. Hybrid system in Rav is great - I’m averaging 5.5 L/100
The Forester is not only the safest but the best handling on wet or snowy roads because of its AW all time drive system. It's by far the reason Subaru buyers are so loyal to Subaru. Once you spend time in one the competition does not feel right. Another note is usable space with the rear seats folded down as the Rav has a sportier forward rake on the back that loses valuable cargo camping space. My final note is that the Subaru has much greater visibility because of its larger windows and rear design. The fuel mileage difference is significant. Except you must compare apples to apples the real purchase price of the RAV Limited is almost $4000 more than what you can actually purchase the Forester Touring. You must figure how long it takes to recoup the $4,000 at 12 mpg savings. I drive a 2022 Forester Touring. If Subaru fails to hold the price down on the Hybrid it is a no go for me as a future purchase. Note: you can get into the lowest base model Forester for as low as $31,000 delivered and still have full safety features.
Impressed by your very detailed and informative comparison, which definitely saves me lots of time for my planned purchase next year: basically onto a Forrester Hybrid but would want to have some comparisons and to be sure. I found one thing you didn't compare the drivability or driving control. Subaru's low gravity shall make it a clear winner and gain more points.
Love your videos but how is comparing a Hybrid to a gas powered car equals when is comes to mpg. I feel that if this is gonna be more objective and straightforward you should leave gas mileage out of consideration for points. But I do respect your choices and do think you guys are very helpful
No one has mentioned it but this is my experience, as of the end of Dec 2024, from some posts I can see many people got the 4~6000+ discount for Forester top trims but it is SO HARD to get any discount for RAV4 - on the internet the best deals Ive seen is probably 2000~2500 off but cant get similar deals in my area.
The running costs need to include the cost of battery replacement. How often does the battery pack have to be replaced? What is the cost of replacement? Does the electric drive system increase maintenance costs as the vehicle ages? Is the operating cost very different for people living in the country mostly cruising long distances on highways or driving on rough bush tracks? Does one need a 4WD SUV in the city, would a Yaris or a Prius be a better choice? Good review of two of the world's best value for money cars. For cruising on sealed roads the Toyota Aurion, Lexus LS Saloon or Toyota Camry are easier to enter and exit, and limousine like to drive on the road. All rounder cars tend to not equal the best specialised vehicles in any category. I drive a Subaru Forester, a great car but I miss my Toyota Aurion. It was the victim of a road accident.
Can you please compre the 25 model with the 24 model. I have the latter and love it. Im worried that the 25 model is a backward step in a number of ways. For example: the design is less distinctive from other SUVs. The roof rack looks like it cant be used without adding purchased cross bars. I just use tied down planks. The control console looks more complicated than my split screen.
We have both. The forester is much easier to get in and out for older less flexible people. The RAV has more power ,better fuel injection system and is more fuel efficient.
i agree. i drive a crv hybrid 2024, and the honda hybrid system is not as good as a rav4 hybrid that came out 5+ years ago. the mpg is lower in the crv hybrid compared to the rav 4 hybrid. i can't wait to see wh at toyotoa will announce with their next rav4 redesign.
HELP! Seat material (suede part) might be a dealbreaker on my touring purchase. I just saw it today on the car I have on hold. It looks like any wear and tear will show quickly. Real quickly.
I would appreciate a measurement of how fast the car heaters work. Alaska winters are cold! Typically Suburus are great but I would like to see comparisons.
Do hybrids maintain a good resale or does that actually hurt resale? I would take a hard pass on purchasing a used hybrid assuming that I might have to deal with replacing its parts. However, I’m ignorant to hybrids and I used the assuming word.
I test drove the new model rav4 when it came out and at 5'11" it felt a little cramped up front, I did think the camera in the mirror was cool though. On the other hand I've driven a newer model Forester recently and it is super roomy up front, both with head room and the distance the wind shield is away from the driver. It reminded me a lot of the 2005 Scion xB I used to own. I currently own a 2017 Outback and it feels just right.
I don’t get the part why the forester gets .5 point for $500 price difference. Gas alone would save you more money in a long run + 2 free year Toyota care.
I bought a new Subaru in July. Toyota will not negotiate. Subaru was 10% discount. Also you mentioned more than once the Forester had items standard that were on the higher level RAV 4. So the price difference is actually much greater than $500. In real life the difference is several thousand dollars. Also we had our first snow/ice storm since I bought my Subaru. I was driving around stuck 4x4's like it was dry out. Subaru AWD is stupid. The RAV 4 system will start kicking in right when you're stuck.
The CRI threw off the final CRI for Rav4 15 yrs/250K mile multiplier is 1.65 vs 1.2 for Forester. So we need to exclude the CRI as most owner don't keep their car for 15 years/250K miles!
Gonna tell you one thing. I’m 6’6 and I don’t fit in a rav4 at all. As a passenger I can squeeze but my knees hit the wheel to drive so keep that in mind. I do fit everywhere in the forestor.
I want a side-by-side dimension comparison. For example... External mirror to mirror width (for garage clearance). Open the driver's door and measure to the passenger's external mirror (this is Inside Garage measurement with one door open - the driver's, so at least the driver can get out). Height of the door sill. NOT height of cabin interior - a person has to get INTO the car first to enjoy all that so-called headroom - I want that "from street to upper door SILL" measurement. I want storage space INCHES, not square inches. I don't know ONE PERSON that knows THEIR own square-inch totals. But I know LOTSA folks who know how tall they are in inches. I want to lay down seats and know length and width so ladders, wood panels, can fit inside the car. Can I lift the rear window separately.
Thanks for the great reviews! I just bought a 2024 Subaru Forester Touring, as I kind of like the features over the new 2025. Please do a sound test locally so we can get a comparison. Also, on your "sound test chart" you have a smile rating....what is the basis???
You may want to research the TCV valve on the '2020-2024 Forester.... keep an eye on it. The '25 Forrester got rid of the TCV thankfully....for some Odd reason they kept it on the Outback. It was the main reason I chose Forester over Outback.
The interior in the Rav4 looks outdated compared to Subaru's. Exterior, both look awesome. Waiting on the new Forester Hybrid to decide my next vehicle
Interesting how most comparisons I find the objective points somehow add up to the same, or extremely close. So it really comes down to specific features you like and style. It also makes it difficult to compare a hybrid from one manufacturer to a gas only in another manufacturer as hybrids will usually give more power for the same mpg etc. Plus Toyota owns about 16,5% of Fuji Heavy Industries which is the parent company of Subaru, so of course they don’t want to cannibalize their own sales.
Look for a video by Mr Subaru very recently about that topic. Yes, they have corrected the issue with the plastic part and have gone back to aluminum. When I heard about that problem and that the '25 is corrected, I decided to wait for the '25
Yes.....the '25 Forester is back to a regular thermostat. You can visibly see the difference between the TCV and regular thermostat.....right behind the AC compressor. It's the reason I changed my order from an Outback to a Forester.
The Forester lacks the passenger shelve that the RAV4 does have and also the lack of physical knobs for the HVAC is a huge disadvantage for the Forester... *they both suck regarding approach angles...
I like Forester. But that weird CVT acceleration bugs me. I like how the engine sounds with the classic gear switching. But when the car accelerates and the engine RPM freeze at 3000-4000 RPM it sounds like you trying to run a car on the first gear only. Weird feeling.
I owned three Foresters and said I didn't need a turbo. Then one day the dealer offered me a ridiculous trade-in price for my 2019 Forester on a '22 Outback Wilderness, which comes with the turbo engine. I would never go back! I really wanted a Forester Wilderness, but won't get one without the turbo.
@@stephenrosenfeld833 Yup. I got the Forester XT back in 2014, and am struggling to find a suitable replacement. I could live with the lesser acceleration of a RAV4, but the lack of content at the price point is a trade-off. But yeah, this Forester is barely adequate on power. You really feel it once you get over about 50 mph, then it just has no punch. FYI, the Forester Wilderness uses different gearing (same 2.5 engine though), which gives it better acceleration (at the price of mpg). But that suspension/wheel/tire combo felt too mushy vs the other trim levels. Not worth it if you don't off-road or need your roof rack to carry a 700 lb static load. I think the Outback Wilderness has gearing that makes it quicker than the other XT Outbacks too. I was almost ready to pull the trigger on the '24 Touring Forester, which is being offered for pretty good prices, but I just couldn't see myself being happy with the gutless drivetrain. Back to the drawing board on the car search. Kind of hesitant to jump into a new RAV 4, because I'm seeing that the '25 model year will be all new. Ditto the CX-5 over in Mazda world. Subaru drivetrain engineers need to burn some midnight oil to get the hybrid coming soon.
I prefer the Forester for safety all around. Exclusive Symmetrical all wheel drive. Hybrids are good in the city/ frecuent stops help to improve gas mileage. In the highway, the story is different; no gain. More weight to carry over.
This is just the comparison I was waiting for. When I come out of the grocery store into the parking lot it seems every third vehicle is a RAV4. For that reason I'd go with the Subu although I think I'll wait for the hybrid version.
Honestly if u want more power Subie ain’t it I have the 2017 xt trim in my view the best trim bc of that engine but the forester isn’t that flashy model it’s a basic do almost everything suv
@@johnfranktullo3463 At 30k, the competition has better powertrains, even if the Forester is superior in other respects. It's not like Subaru does not have better powertrain options available.
@@johnfranktullo3463 outback has a turbo. In terms of competition, every other manufacturer has a hybrid option that gets better mpg. Some get better mpg and are faster.
Being a 6 times Subaru's owner, my next will not be Subaru anymore. Main reason is in my country, dealer are not bringing in any turbo model but all the boring and NA model. My next likely will be Hybrid and there's only 1 Hybrid king in the market and that is Toyota. Another reason is Subaru seems to ditch turbo variant. I'm not sure why there's no turbo model for Forester but they bring it back to Outback.
Turbo impacts engine longevity. If you regularly trade in your cars, no issue, but if you want a vehicle that can go 200k or more, turbo is a liability
I’m on the same exact boat. For weeks I’ve been obsessing and reading everything about hybrids to educate myself. My spouse has a wilderness. I loved it but boy the mpg SUCK. I tested both the hybrid RAV4 2024 and the Forester 2025. I event rented the RAV4 hybrid SE for a full day. I’ll say: I started leaning much more on the hybrid than the Subaru because of the insane amount of mileage people can put in that car and saving on gas would be incredible. However I keep coming back to the Forster. My plan? Get the Forester 2025, keep it for 5 years and hopefully they the Forester hybrid ❤
Conventional engine (ICE) is better compared to Hybrid like almost all cars nowadays. Nothing to worry about if look after it and change the oil periodically without fail. Less fuel consumptions for Hybrid considered nothing if it is time for you to change batteries. Moreover service charges for repair, cost you a lot more than the conventional engine!!!
Toyota quality is not the same anymore as 20yrs ago. For this comparison, I will pick Subaru for two reasons: 1. Its eyesight safety is the best 2. It made in Japan.
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hi guys! Certified Subaru Salesperson here :) GREAT JOB!! only thing I caught which is extremely easy to miss is the Subaru Touring Forester does NOT have homelink.
The new 2025 Forester is Beautiful! Since I have had many Foresters and one Outback, I am sticking to the Forester!!!!
o_O beautiful? Wow..
Not for me. I like older aggressive ones
Both are beautiful but my outback 3.6R limited 🫠❤ But I drove a Forester 2424… 🤩 The visibility !! Great 👀! But I prefer the outback suspension 😌
@@kimvaillancourt9797IT IS NICE, IF YOU LIKE STATION WAGONS!
Just purchased the 2025 Forester. Loving it so far.
Same!!! rav4 windows so tiny
We just got a 25 forester touring as a loaner from our Buick dealership while our Buick is being repaired. Overall, it's pretty nice. But I don't notice the ventilated seats at all while driving.
I'm also not a big fan of the seats. But I also have 2 batteries in my lower back. The seats cause a lot of pressure points right where my stimulator batteries are. I am certain than for most though, the seats will be very comfortable.
The tech in the forester is pretty impressive for it's price in my opinion.
I hate the cvt, but will admit, you don't notice it during daily city driving. Only at highway speeds do you notice the drone from it.
All in all, if I didn't have the batteries in my back, I would buy one.
A suggestion for music/sound testing, use the same song for each vehicle.
Just purchased my 2025 Forester Sport. Love it!!
YOU NEVER TALK ABOUT THE SAFETY , SUBARU HAVE THE FIRST PLACE 🥇.
They didn't talk about differences of both CVT and the cost of their maintenance. Subaru has worse than RAV 4 tranny.
@@charonboat6394 I can change what I posted too!LOL I would imagine every manufacturer makes a different CVT.
@@saintpaulieguy
Toyota and Subaru have different types of CVT.
Yeah, rather poor comparison vid.
Test drove both 2024 editions and I went with the Forester 🙌
Reason??
@@Gopinathk17RAV4 has 0 visibility. Tiny windows.
Leased a Subaru and it was be my last. 2019 Subaru Legacy with oil consumption issues. They refused to do an oil consumption test and just did free oil changes until my lease was over. The service manager literally said they are not allowed to do oil consumption test unless it’s severe. Mine was burning about a quart every two weeks. I wonder what severe was!?!?! Toyota all day. Now own a 2022 Camry Hybrid LE and it’s great.
Yup, I own a Subaru and it consumes 1qt per 1k miles. And sometimes more. I’m the only one still checking oil level at every gas fill-up like it’s the 60’s. Love the AWD system, but I wish. Subaru would just get its engine (or transmission) together.
At 6:05 why give 0.5 to RAV4? Digital vs traditional gauge is a matter of preference and one isn’t necessarily better than the other
With digital, you decide what you want it to look like and what information is important to you
On the flip side, if something goes wrong with it, we lose everything
One unmentioned advantage for the Subaru is the dealers willingness to negotiate. My area Toyota dealer piles on a hefty fee for delivery and doesn’t apear to discount while area Subaru dealers will negotiate.
Just got Forester Premium! Super comfy, rugged, powerful, safe, and great visibility!
I own a 2019 RAV with 100,000 miles on it. We plan to buy a Forester within a year after the hybrid arrives. When you compare a hybrid vs. a non-hybrid, you should consider the additional price and the payout time for the hybrid vs. a non-hybrid. We think the Forester AWD is far superior and the steering is much better; it is a better value.
Most people who buy RAV4 don’t even need that 4WD superiority from Subaru. That’s why it sells like a hot cake. Regardless Subaru is a good choice for driving dynamics and 4WD system.
Toyota's hybrid system's cost performance remains remarkably strong. Subaru's upcoming hybrid will also use the Toyota system, so we're looking forward to it.
The fuel efficiency of a toyota and the capability of a subaru 😮😮🎉is gonna be amazing
toyota will only give subaru a gimped hybrid version, in other words its not gonna be as good as a rav4 hybrid or will probably use a last generation hybrid system that gives lower mpg. forester is a full time awd, awd = piss poor mpg. stop dreaming.
@@LostUndertheSky I just say Subaru will be improved. Toyota have a highly efficient Atkinson cycle ICE and no propeller shaft in E-Four. It's shameless to proudly claim what is obvious…
@@LostUndertheSky they have a partnership, why would they purposely make it worse?
@@meta1militia Because they are in business selling their own product and not giving competition helping hand.
Enjoyed your videos. I drive a 7-8 year old Subaru Outback. I really like that it has auto-dimming rear view mirrors (optional). They make driving at night a lot better, without getting glares. This option is something that most cars in the price range don't even offer. A lot new luxury vehicles offer the feature only on drive side mirror. I think you should consider in your feature comparison. :-)
I own a 2017 Outback (bought in 2016) and it has been great. I don't like the interior changes on the newer models.
Great information!
For consideration: If your 6’6” the Forester is the best, if your 6’6” and walk with a cane the ease of egress and ingress is a consideration the Forester is best, if your enjoy getting off the beaten trail the Forester is best, last but not least the Forester feature for feature at the top end costs less and can be purchased for below MSRP with no dealer fees. Our special order Forester will be delivered mid January
One of those competitions where a case can be made for both and it comes down to personal tastes……both are excellent options having test driven both.
I just bought a 2025 Forester sport. Love it so far. Amazing interior quality, smooth ride, with low road noise.
Three other items in the Forester's favor: 1. You can simply walk in and buy the Forester off the lot, with no dealer markup. Doing so with an XSE Hybrid is highly unlikely. Dealer markups on hybrid Toyotas are legion, and they never seem to have the specific color/trim/packages that you want in stock. 2. The Rav4 is due to be replaced next year with an "all new" model, so your brand-spankin' new 2024 Rav4 will soon be the "old" model, inside and out, whereas this new Forester is the new model. 3. You can order a Forester from your dealer exactly the way you want it, again, with no dealer markup. You can't do spec orders with the Rav4. You have to choose from the dealer's allocation, and possibly then fight other customers to get that specific vehicle.
Three items in the Rav4's favor: 1. No CVT. The gas model uses a conventional eight-speed automatic tranny. The hybrid uses a virtually bombproof e-CVT that shares no parts or design elements with a conventional CVT. 2. D-4S dual port/direct injection. Prevents carbon buildup on the intake valves that results from direct injection-only fuel injection like the Forester's. 3. Far more long-term reliable powertrains. While the recent Forester motors have become less prone than before to leaks and other issues, any of the three Rav4 powertrains have more proven track records for trouble-free longevity.
Forester all day, every day.
Forster interior look like 2015 cars model
@@sulaimansafi5457 do you really think your comment matters? 🤭
@@moneypenny174Lol you sound like a Subie fanboy! 🤣
@@lennygarrison6836 and you sound like you take the bus, Mr Garrison! 🤣🤣🤣🚌
@@moneypenny174I actually do take the bus. I’m accompanied by your mom! She goes everywhere with me!!
I'm looking for a new car, and was waiting for the 2025 RAV5, but I'm still torn.
My brother says Rav4 XLE, my best friend says Foresters Sport. I'm not planning to get a hybrid, because I'm hearing the Hybrid has issues, especially once you get to 100k miles here the Battery could cost more to replace than the car itself, and I normally hold my cars for around 175k miles.
Would it be fair to do a gas model versus gas model instead of hybrid versus gas model?
Why not when the hybrid is available for the same price of Forester.
@@Gopinathk17 because they are not the same bruh that's why. Non hybrid vs Non hybrid is what should of been compared in this video.
@@SebastianMonroe-yd3nu I know they are not same but price wise can get Rav4 hybrid XSE trim for the same price of touring trim of forester, that's why I said.
Even if you compare it with the gas version of Rav4, the forester is much underpowered and less reliable power train and high maintenance costs comparatively.
@@Gopinathk17 it dont matter anyways, soon all 100% gasers will be gone. you will either be sportin a gas/elec, hydrogen/elec, nuc/elec, footin on foot or ridin a horse like the old days.
I’m very happy with my 2024 RAV4 hybrid Limited here in NZ - haven’t seen the new Forester but as a past owner of 2 Foresters, I know they’re good. Hybrid system in Rav is great - I’m averaging 5.5 L/100
5.5L/100KM is something I want now.
It only shows how rare it goes AWD
You should include glove box storage along with console storage.
A comparison on a Saturday, we’re getting spoiled, great video!!
The Forester is not only the safest but the best handling on wet or snowy roads because of its AW all time drive system. It's by far the reason Subaru buyers are so loyal to Subaru. Once you spend time in one the competition does not feel right. Another note is usable space with the rear seats folded down as the Rav has a sportier forward rake on the back that loses valuable cargo camping space. My final note is that the Subaru has much greater visibility because of its larger windows and rear design. The fuel mileage difference is significant. Except you must compare apples to apples the real purchase price of the RAV Limited is almost $4000 more than what you can actually purchase the Forester Touring. You must figure how long it takes to recoup the $4,000 at 12 mpg savings.
I drive a 2022 Forester Touring. If Subaru fails to hold the price down on the Hybrid it is a no go for me as a future purchase. Note: you can get into the lowest base model Forester for as low as $31,000 delivered and still have full safety features.
Impressed by your very detailed and informative comparison, which definitely saves me lots of time for my planned purchase next year: basically onto a Forrester Hybrid but would want to have some comparisons and to be sure.
I found one thing you didn't compare the drivability or driving control. Subaru's low gravity shall make it a clear winner and gain more points.
Love your videos but how is comparing a Hybrid to a gas powered car equals when is comes to mpg. I feel that if this is gonna be more objective and straightforward you should leave gas mileage out of consideration for points. But I do respect your choices and do think you guys are very helpful
No one has mentioned it but this is my experience, as of the end of Dec 2024, from some posts I can see many people got the 4~6000+ discount for Forester top trims but it is SO HARD to get any discount for RAV4 - on the internet the best deals Ive seen is probably 2000~2500 off but cant get similar deals in my area.
I've been watching your reviews for sometime now. You guys are simply awesome! I'll go with the Subaru Forester anytime!!!
The running costs need to include the cost of battery replacement. How often does the battery pack have to be replaced? What is the cost of replacement? Does the electric drive system increase maintenance costs as the vehicle ages? Is the operating cost very different for people living in the country mostly cruising long distances on highways or driving on rough bush tracks? Does one need a 4WD SUV in the city, would a Yaris or a Prius be a better choice? Good review of two of the world's best value for money cars.
For cruising on sealed roads the Toyota Aurion, Lexus LS Saloon or Toyota Camry are easier to enter and exit, and limousine like to drive on the road. All rounder cars tend to not equal the best specialised vehicles in any category. I drive a Subaru Forester, a great car but I miss my Toyota Aurion. It was the victim of a road accident.
Great review. Just discovered Car Confections and I will be returning as I compare cars. Well done.
Thank you, friend!
Wish they could’ve compared this with the Limited RAV4 since it would also be the highest trim level.
RAV4 has such a price premium these days we had to go one down from the top
Need to compare similar price points for apples to apples comparison. And yeah Rav4 is overpriced.
Can you please compre the 25 model with the 24 model. I have the latter and love it. Im worried that the 25 model is a backward step in a number of ways. For example: the design is less distinctive from other SUVs. The roof rack looks like it cant be used without adding purchased cross bars. I just use tied down planks. The control console looks more complicated than my split screen.
I live in NJ, and we have had rough winters, so I would get the Forester.
It’s strange that you don’t have the hybrid option for the Forester, it’s the only option available in the UK.
I don’t know but my forester pulled rav4 and crv out of snow in Minnesota in past two years.
One caregory you omitted was safety. Check the IIHS ratings.
Traded our red 2022 4Runner Limited 4WD for the 2025 Forester Touring blue with brown interior seats ❤❤❤❤ so much tech and power rear hatch
Can you please do a comparison between Honda CRV - Touring & 2025 Forester- Touring? Thanks
We have both. The forester is much easier to get in and out for older less flexible people. The RAV has more power ,better fuel injection system and is more fuel efficient.
I've drove both vehicles and I chose the Subaru Forester and I have no regrets! it's awesome! :)
5yr+ old design of the rav4 is still going strong..even compared to redesigned/refreshed models..that speaks volume on how good the rav4 is..
Or it could just be complacency because it sells so well and Toyota isn't compelled to innovate or improve.
@@anonalpha1190That's wrong. Toyota consistently improves and tries to perfect their product.
i agree. i drive a crv hybrid 2024, and the honda hybrid system is not as good as a rav4 hybrid that came out 5+ years ago. the mpg is lower in the crv hybrid compared to the rav 4 hybrid. i can't wait to see wh at toyotoa will announce with their next rav4 redesign.
Question what is the difference from the suburbs forester and Toyota crv Carolla used cars
love your way of review is very obviously easy to see the differences 🤩☝🏽☝🏽☝🏽
Which model is cheaper to maintain and service?
Toyota
What do mean by dual exposed outlets on the rear of the RAV4 vs SF?
Please make the decibel measurement during acceleration also.
HELP! Seat material (suede part) might be a dealbreaker on my touring purchase. I just saw it today on the car I have on hold. It looks like any wear and tear will show quickly. Real quickly.
Forester has a CVT. The gas Rav does not. You did mention CVT? Why?
Rav 4 has eCVT. Completely different.
RAV4 Hybrid has ECVT rav4 none hybrid has a standard transmission
I find the Forester has more comfortable seats, better suspension, and with the low center of gravity boxer engine, corners better.
All is true
Great video. Going to have to test the ai300s this fall as a replacement for Stealth. Already have Smoke MaxD driver and hybrid. 17 hcp.
I would appreciate a measurement of how fast the car heaters work. Alaska winters are cold! Typically Suburus are great but I would like to see comparisons.
Do hybrids maintain a good resale or does that actually hurt resale? I would take a hard pass on purchasing a used hybrid assuming that I might have to deal with replacing its parts. However, I’m ignorant to hybrids and I used the assuming word.
Resale value on hybrids is worse than gas when the vehicles turn more than 10 years old, due to bad battery someday.
I test drove the new model rav4 when it came out and at 5'11" it felt a little cramped up front, I did think the camera in the mirror was cool though.
On the other hand I've driven a newer model Forester recently and it is super roomy up front, both with head room and the distance the wind shield is away from the driver. It reminded me a lot of the 2005 Scion xB I used to own.
I currently own a 2017 Outback and it feels just right.
I don’t get the part why the forester gets .5 point for $500 price difference. Gas alone would save you more money in a long run + 2 free year Toyota care.
They did give the Toyota a full point for gas mileage, though…
I bought a new Subaru in July. Toyota will not negotiate. Subaru was 10% discount. Also you mentioned more than once the Forester had items standard that were on the higher level RAV 4. So the price difference is actually much greater than $500. In real life the difference is several thousand dollars. Also we had our first snow/ice storm since I bought my Subaru. I was driving around stuck 4x4's like it was dry out. Subaru AWD is stupid. The RAV 4 system will start kicking in right when you're stuck.
I did not see the the comparison of the superior 4 wheel compared to Ravv 4 . What happened ?
Forester for me.
The CRI threw off the final CRI for Rav4 15 yrs/250K mile multiplier is 1.65 vs 1.2 for Forester.
So we need to exclude the CRI as most owner don't keep their car for 15 years/250K miles!
Waiting for my 2025 Forester Sport !
I hope you get it faster than it for from 0 to 60 😂
@@akilghosh😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@akilqghosh Why? Don'tyoulike to take a nap?
Wasn’t it 8.2 for both?? How did the rav-4 win?
Didn’t get that one….
Besides a superior 4WD, Subaru will not beat RAV4.
Gonna tell you one thing. I’m 6’6 and I don’t fit in a rav4 at all. As a passenger I can squeeze but my knees hit the wheel to drive so keep that in mind. I do fit everywhere in the forestor.
Why did you not compare fuel economy?
I want a side-by-side dimension comparison. For example...
External mirror to mirror width (for garage clearance).
Open the driver's door and measure to the passenger's external mirror (this is Inside Garage measurement with one door open - the driver's, so at least the driver can get out).
Height of the door sill. NOT height of cabin interior - a person has to get INTO the car first to enjoy all that so-called headroom - I want that "from street to upper door SILL" measurement.
I want storage space INCHES, not square inches. I don't know ONE PERSON that knows THEIR own square-inch totals. But I know LOTSA folks who know how tall they are in inches. I want to lay down seats and know length and width so ladders, wood panels, can fit inside the car.
Can I lift the rear window separately.
Easily the New Forester Reason Being No Need to Change the Hybrid Batteries in the Future 😕❤😎🇺🇲.
I’m a Toyota guy. Had 3 and counting. But I like the Forester, so I can be bribed!
Ventilated seats only come on the highest level of the Forester as well. Won't find it on Sport, unfortunately.
Thanks for the great reviews! I just bought a 2024 Subaru Forester Touring, as I kind of like the features over the new 2025. Please do a sound test locally so we can get a comparison. Also, on your "sound test chart" you have a smile rating....what is the basis???
You may want to research the TCV valve on the '2020-2024 Forester.... keep an eye on it. The '25 Forrester got rid of the TCV thankfully....for some Odd reason they kept it on the Outback. It was the main reason I chose Forester over Outback.
The interior in the Rav4 looks outdated compared to Subaru's. Exterior, both look awesome. Waiting on the new Forester Hybrid to decide my next vehicle
Subaru forester is the safest car in the whole planet earth 😂🎉❤
So, technicaly, if forester had same power train as Rav-4, then it would be a clear winner?
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Infofainment and external design are bad as well.
In other way, If Rav4 makes interiors bit more comfortable then its a checkmate.
Interesting how most comparisons I find the objective points somehow add up to the same, or extremely close. So it really comes down to specific features you like and style.
It also makes it difficult to compare a hybrid from one manufacturer to a gas only in another manufacturer as hybrids will usually give more power for the same mpg etc.
Plus Toyota owns about 16,5% of Fuji Heavy Industries which is the parent company of Subaru, so of course they don’t want to cannibalize their own sales.
Hi guys ,does the 2025 Subaru Forester come now with a redesigned the cooling system.regards
Look for a video by Mr Subaru very recently about that topic. Yes, they have corrected the issue with the plastic part and have gone back to aluminum. When I heard about that problem and that the '25 is corrected, I decided to wait for the '25
Yes.....the '25 Forester is back to a regular thermostat. You can visibly see the difference between the TCV and regular thermostat.....right behind the AC compressor. It's the reason I changed my order from an Outback to a Forester.
Having owned both of these , hands down the RAV4 is a better option if you can live with cabin noise.
Why?
@@Dfgbuiiyyyybb 👍. That’s a point. CVT makes weird sound
How is outlander mitsubishi as compared to them??
Don’t buy that outlander. I know it’s cheap to maintain but get a Subaru or RAV4
The Forester lacks the passenger shelve that the RAV4 does have and also the lack of physical knobs for the HVAC is a huge disadvantage for the Forester...
*they both suck regarding approach angles...
I like Forester. But that weird CVT acceleration bugs me. I like how the engine sounds with the classic gear switching. But when the car accelerates and the engine RPM freeze at 3000-4000 RPM it sounds like you trying to run a car on the first gear only. Weird feeling.
RAV4 can’t hold a candle to Forester’s Xmode! Rav didn’t come close in crash testing and safety!
Good comparison!
I'm a Subaru owner.. and my opinion is that Subaru is staying behind the competition aesthetically.. waaaaaaayyyyy behind..
Went with the new forester. Limited!
Does it have the park assist?
The Subaru Forester is great on snow and ice. I like the 2.5L non-turbo boxer engine of the Forester. Don't care for the look of the Toyota.
The forester 0 to 60 is PAINFUL
I owned three Foresters and said I didn't need a turbo. Then one day the dealer offered me a ridiculous trade-in price for my 2019 Forester on a '22 Outback Wilderness, which comes with the turbo engine. I would never go back! I really wanted a Forester Wilderness, but won't get one without the turbo.
If they would just do what Toyota does: a 200+h.p. 4 cyl. And small electric assist motor for power in acceleration. Better gas mileage as bonus!
And it’s going to hit10 seconds if they don’t come up with more power.
My Fozzy XT 0 to 60 5.9
@@stephenrosenfeld833 Yup. I got the Forester XT back in 2014, and am struggling to find a suitable replacement. I could live with the lesser acceleration of a RAV4, but the lack of content at the price point is a trade-off. But yeah, this Forester is barely adequate on power. You really feel it once you get over about 50 mph, then it just has no punch. FYI, the Forester Wilderness uses different gearing (same 2.5 engine though), which gives it better acceleration (at the price of mpg). But that suspension/wheel/tire combo felt too mushy vs the other trim levels. Not worth it if you don't off-road or need your roof rack to carry a 700 lb static load. I think the Outback Wilderness has gearing that makes it quicker than the other XT Outbacks too. I was almost ready to pull the trigger on the '24 Touring Forester, which is being offered for pretty good prices, but I just couldn't see myself being happy with the gutless drivetrain. Back to the drawing board on the car search. Kind of hesitant to jump into a new RAV 4, because I'm seeing that the '25 model year will be all new. Ditto the CX-5 over in Mazda world. Subaru drivetrain engineers need to burn some midnight oil to get the hybrid coming soon.
I prefer the Forester for safety all around. Exclusive Symmetrical all wheel drive.
Hybrids are good in the city/ frecuent stops help to improve gas mileage. In the highway, the story is different; no gain. More weight to carry over.
Wondering if Subaru still have the TCV failure issue or changed the design yet. Heard they even avoid to honor the warranty.
for 2025 another RUclips said they changed the design. Problem solved.
I’ve never expected boxer engines to be efficient.
With a CVT, it’s trying to be.
@@boxoffisa but still not as efficient as inline-4
@@aeronYTco yes. I wish boxer was efficient. I like that engine. Well balanced.
This is just the comparison I was waiting for. When I come out of the grocery store into the parking lot it seems every third vehicle is a RAV4. For that reason I'd go with the Subu although I think I'll wait for the hybrid version.
I love the Forester, but Subaru needs to improve the power train.
Design as well
Honestly if u want more power Subie ain’t it I have the 2017 xt trim in my view the best trim bc of that engine but the forester isn’t that flashy model it’s a basic do almost everything suv
@@johnfranktullo3463 At 30k, the competition has better powertrains, even if the Forester is superior in other respects. It's not like Subaru does not have better powertrain options available.
@@notsodelusional like what ?
@@johnfranktullo3463 outback has a turbo. In terms of competition, every other manufacturer has a hybrid option that gets better mpg. Some get better mpg and are faster.
I ‘ve had both and RAV 4 is way more reliable and comfortable
Being a 6 times Subaru's owner, my next will not be Subaru anymore. Main reason is in my country, dealer are not bringing in any turbo model but all the boring and NA model. My next likely will be Hybrid and there's only 1 Hybrid king in the market and that is Toyota.
Another reason is Subaru seems to ditch turbo variant. I'm not sure why there's no turbo model for Forester but they bring it back to Outback.
Turbo impacts engine longevity. If you regularly trade in your cars, no issue, but if you want a vehicle that can go 200k or more, turbo is a liability
Forester all day. Should have compared with the gas RAV4.
Rav4 of course!i tou dont care the overheated cvt choose subaru
I’m on the same exact boat. For weeks I’ve been obsessing and reading everything about hybrids to educate myself.
My spouse has a wilderness. I loved it but boy the mpg SUCK.
I tested both the hybrid RAV4 2024 and the Forester 2025. I event rented the RAV4 hybrid SE for a full day.
I’ll say: I started leaning much more on the hybrid than the Subaru because of the insane amount of mileage people can put in that car and saving on gas would be incredible.
However I keep coming back to the Forster. My plan? Get the Forester 2025, keep it for 5 years and hopefully they the Forester hybrid ❤
Wow first time ive seen a tie breaker!
Love your video 📹 ❤️ 💕 ♥️ 💗
Waiting for the hybrid Forester, hopefully not too $much more.
Это правда, что в RAV 4 не складываются зеркала?!
Yes
Conventional engine (ICE) is better compared to Hybrid like almost all cars nowadays. Nothing to worry about if look after it and change the oil periodically without fail. Less fuel consumptions for Hybrid considered nothing if it is time for you to change batteries. Moreover service charges for repair, cost you a lot more than the conventional engine!!!
Toyota quality is not the same anymore as 20yrs ago.
For this comparison, I will pick Subaru for two reasons: 1. Its eyesight safety is the best 2. It made in Japan.
The 2025 Forester will be built in Indiana.
@@musicmaniac68 All 2025 Foresters are still built in Japan. It's starting in 2026 or 2027 model year.