I really like the way these interviews seem to bring out honest thoughts and opinions. A lot of other interviews seem like it is rehearsed, and they stick to talking points.
It probably has a lot to do with how she isn't a professional interviewer, and though she probably prepared in some way, is slightly shooting from the hip. Also they have a past relationship from the show, and likely felt comfortable together.
Was just thinking this. I usually can’t take these celeb interviews. But these are really honest and interesting. Helps these are two fantastic actresses.
Talking points aren't bad per se, but an interview should have a flow. If something interesting comes up that wasn't planned just dive in! I mean that's the good thing about RUclips. You can let the person talk for 2h without cutting anything.
Tricia undoubtedly got her professional start because she was - and IS - a beautiful woman. But she has obviously studied and worked very hard to become the accomplished actor that she is. She's one of the few who can 'take on' a different character - different posture, voice, expression, all the qualities of truthful presentation that define a good actor. She also has - for me anyway - a very likeable essence. Always love watching her.
Tricia is great. Love hearing her insights. I spoke with a model who told me that the average sized woman in Australia is a size 12, and yet the industries definition of a plus sized model is a size 10. That, by definition, means that the vast majority of women here in Australia are considered (by the industry!) to be plus sized. I was astounded.
It is such a thrill to hear any celeb say "I DON'T KNOW." Yeah, y'know, most ppl (myself included, obvsly) don't know jack abt anything beyond our narrow realms of competence. To acknowledge this reality, tho, is so rare...
Love this! The truth about …. well anything….. is different from the idea of it and sometimes how we are conditioned to think it is. It is important to know the truth behind the glittering facade.
Good point about the clothes and the person wearing them in a fashion show. You forget sometimes that fashion shows are an art exhibition. Some of those clothes are one-offs never to be made again. Just like a painting. Maybe a piece or a cut of it becomes mass produced but the show itself is about the designer's ideas. So if a certain frame or height shows that off better that's what you'll use.
It is really interesting to see and hear this side of their personas. The perspective on society driving the modelling industry was also very thoughtfully presented. It is arguably a double edged sword however. Definitely all people cannot do all jobs and we are all very different both internally and externally. I do question though whether the modelling industry is really not a part of the equation when reviewing how the younger viewing generation perceives themselves. Yes certain shapes and forms of garments will look better on particular frames of bodies, but the question should then be presented to the designers themselves why the majority of designs are tailored to these particular frames. There is no denying that all people should strive to be healthy, exercise daily, consume what is needed and not in excess, leading to a healthy frame and form. So perhaps society should press harder on designers to design for health bodies rather than overweight or underweight. Thank you again to them both for their thoughtful discourse. Wishing you all the very best.
Kelly and I went to school together in Innisfail. Shortly after he opened his agency, I started doing special effects for movies, the Calgary Flames etc, so I was feeling pretty good about myself. I was taking a lunch break at a restaurant just down from the Saddledome one day. I walk in, and there is Kelly having lunch with Tricia and if I recall 2 other ladies. He looks at me and says "hey" with a grin that says 'I won and you know it'. I stop, bubble totally popped and said "damn it". Kelly laughs, and I learn a valuable life lesson which is 'there is always someone better at what they do, than you are'.
I'll be plain about this. I appreciate and respect Tricia's feelings about being a model and playing Number 6. I really do totally get it. I grew up with a single mom and 3 sisters, so I have a bit more insight on women and their issues than the average male. But God DAMN she was stunning in that show and being beautiful has paid the bills for most of her working life. There's a comment a singer that I like made about getting tired of playing his biggest hit song that I think is appropriate here: "Sure I get tired of playing it, but you have to respect the song that put your kids through college...." To be clear, none of that is any kind of disrespect. Far from it. But ya gotta respect the talents and skills that put food on the table, ya know?
I'm really struggling to see how being naturally attractive is comparable to putting in the work necessary to learn to play an instrument, write and perform music. She says we're 'all different and unique' and can't 'all do the same jobs' but comparing modelling to something like studying to become a medical professional is ridiculous. It's well established that in a range of ways, attractive people are treated better. They are overestimated. They experience life in 'easy mode' when compared to others, particularly so 'ugly' people. Being naturally attractive is not a talent. It is not a skill.
@@_Stroda Well, technically, it is a talent. A talent is something we are (mostly) naturaly good at (in this case, being attractive). When it requires effort to develop, it's called a skill
I worked in Rue21 3 yrs ago and one of the areas was the photography studio ..I didn't interact or socialize with any of the models but I thought the models, both men and women, didn't look normal in person ..in photos they look good ..but weird in person if that makes any sense ..
I like how she's not apologizing for being an attractive woman. Of course, hot women and handsome men are models. The smartest people are building rockets to Mars, the super attractive are doing fashion shows. Yet, in the great scheme of life, we all can only do it for a relatively short period of time. Both beauty and the mind eventually fade.
Society is influenced by what it's being fed. If all you are presented with as the standards of beauty (be it magazines, TV, social media or movies) are tall and skinny women, that tends to shape how a society acknowledges and recognizes beauty. Society is being influenced by what we are exposed to and that's not the actresses, or model's responsibility, it's the industries that hire them to project what "beauty" is supposed to be.
Part of the concern around the modeling industry is representativeness of the selected model's looks to the general population, because the profession of modeling and media in general is to project a certain image considered beautiful, desirable, and worthy of emulating in terms of looks. The other professions you mentioned have a different effect and different purpose in society. Related to representativeness is the problem of artificially altering the images to ultimately a completely fabricated ideal. Models are already gorgeous and often not representative of most other humans. The make-up, lighting, clothes, and other tricks further enhance their natural beauty. But then, the industry further distorts perception and expectation on beauty, desirability, and worthiness to emulate via software edits on the image of the model's body. These practices can be incredibly harmful.
It’s interesting to remember that different types of shoots need different types of bodies. We forget this when trying to match an ideal in our head that’s a vague amalgam of every model body we’ve ever seen. Supermodels don’t necessarily meet the cut, as she notes here, because they might have an imperfect elbow or eyelid or tricep or something. There’s no way to have the perfect look or the perfect look for every occasion.
Modeling is very tough. Acting is tough too. I'm happy being a musician and artist, I need to feel I have more control though those businesses suck as bad as show business.
I don’t think modeling really destroyed beauty standards because there was always the assumption that these are the most beautiful people. Social media definitely has, though. You see someone that is supposed to be some random person out there, but there’s a completely unrealistic view of “reality”.
Perhaps unpopular opinion here, but to me, a lot of modelling and those beauty standards are for women and enforced by women. I don't want to body shame, but how many guys have you known in real life who say that a runway model is the ideal body type. Very very few in my experience.
Social media is the modeling industry's child. Social media came from the idea that you can take pictures and be adored like a model. You're speaking about the same thing.
Social media didn't exist back when corsets were the beauty standard. There's always been pressure on specifically women to look a certain way as long as civilizations have existed.
Years ago I received a catalog from Saxs Fifth Ave where the models looked like cancer patients they were so pale and sickly thin. I called them up, told them to never send me another catalog and why and stopped shopping there. I hope it made a little difference.
I don't agree on all her points. But a good discussion. It's such a weird business where basic genetics accounts for 95% of it. Never compliment based on looks - nature was the architect of that. How they then present themselves is another matter.
Agreed. Culture has a percentage, but evolution and instinct has the big portion of it. The struggle of human nature is the eternal fight between instinct and reason. Or instinct and morality.
Even as an amateur photographer who does it just for creative fun I can tell you that the misconceptions are endless to the point I mostly don’t talk to people about it anymore especially with men.
I felt like society had made some headway with discouraging artificiality and our perceptions of women, preferring a more 'natural' look. Then at some point with the rise of social media, I don't know exactly when because I don't closely follow such trends, the use and acceptance of plastic surgery etc just seemed to skyrocket. I look at people's photos then and now with horror at what women and girls are doing to their bodies. It's like we went 20 steps backwards and its worse than ever.
Tricia was part of the supermodel era, and of all of them, Tricia was the only one who achieved a real acting career. She is the only model-actress of that era to create an iconic character (Six), the only one to star in her own network drama series, etc.
Rebecca Romijn and Olga Kurylenko, both 90s super models. Both had/have legit acting careers. There are probably more, I just can't think of them off the top of my head. Rebecca was a super, super, famous super model, and Kurylenko was just a step below that. Whether we want to argue about their acting chops, they both achieved real acting careers. Romijn maybe hasn't had as successful career as Tricia and Olga, both Olga and Rebecca have legit acting careers.
Somehow this snippet of conversation started me thinking about how it all connects up to the bigger picture, which to me is the mark of a rewarding interaction, one that I used to get all the time from parties I attended or hosted pre-pandemic. (Now I'm picturing the cat-reading newspaper meme captioned "I should start hosting parties with smart people again.")
Not sure you can blame "society" as a whole for body image pressures. Its mainly the marketing machines that do it. Individuals like what they like, no matter what rail thin or curvy women or men they put up on those big signs in Target. Fashion drives it, as in order to sell people a ton of clothes they don't need they have to come up with a new "thing" every year. I wish young people could learn earlier to ignore all that stuff and just be themselves.
Do you think the 'marketing machine" fell out of the sky fully formed? Those people are your neighbours and peers. They are part of society. Them pushing the worst aspects of our society results works because the rest of society eats it up.
I'm pretty sure women hosting podcasts, where the viewer has loads of time to view the host, the podcaster can really get picked apart on this or that personal detail.
I’ve frequently wondered if models have the kind of relationship where they can voice concern to each other about eating disorders. I imagine the answers are “no” and “it depends on who it is”.
Thank god the business is different now - watched the first season of Project Runway from 2003, featuring frequently abused teen models and the words "Produced by Harvey Weinstein"
The problem with the modeling world, especially in the past, was that only one standard of beauty was forced upon us, a standard almost no women conform to. I program for a living and many years ago, worked for an advertising agency that was doing some photo shoot with models. I was leaving work and saw this black girl that was taller than me (and I’m 6’1”), thin, thin, THIN and maybe 115 lbs? She was walking and looking lost and I told her, you past the building and it’s back there. How did I know she was a model? How many 6’2”, 115lb women do you see? The height alone makes her unique. But then the thinness? Like who told the modeling world that’s what we want. So I don’t know if I buy the idea that the modeling world is a reflection of society, because if it was, we’d see WAAAAAAY more women with curves.
its bullshit. shes talking bullshit. id like for her to fully expand on the thought "but then the pendulum swings too far the other way" (lol like what, fat women dare to want to be models? were putting too much pressure on the beauty industry? you cant drape a curvy body? skill issue.) instead of katies "mhm yeah mhm absolutely. I dont think even she agreed on that one.
I take her point and it’s well made and accurate, I believe, but I think the biggest problem with the modelling industry was airbrushing out flaws and pretending this was the natural look of a model. That no enhancements had been made to photos. That’s what caused young girls to have unrealistic impressions of what their bodies should look like.
The most egregious misconception is that the modeling industry is in anyway respectful or sympathetic to models. Like any industry where there are tens of thousands more desperate applicants than roles to be filled, the employers have the power and they treat models with disdain. If you manage to even up this disparity by becoming one of the few models that everyone wants, enjoy it while it lasts but the majority of models work in an industry that continually reinforces the message that they are as disposable as toilet paper and that with each month that passes they get ever more closer to their use by date
I think that the fashion industry has kept pushing towards tall and very thin even when society preferred more curves. High fashion is not really something that normal women can expect to wear. Looking at sketches for new ideas, many are even more exaggerated tall and thin than actual humans. Traditionally, swimsuit models tended to look more like the society's current "ideal shape", since most women will actually wear swimsuits at some point. I suspect that is why swimsuits tend to be more curvy and tend to reflect the current shape preferences.
She mentions that society seems to drive the preferred 'look' for people and specifically mentions 'big butts'. I don't think society necessarily pushes this, but small, specific sects within it. Between Kim Kardashian getting butt implants (and the societal impact of influencers like her) and Sir Mix Alot ('Baby got Back'), it seems to me to be more driven by people that are 'looked up to', no matter their morals/greed/etc.
IMO I don't think the "they're mostly stupid' is a misconception. I ran in circles models were in when I was single, and the majority of them do not have any common sense and many are, in fact, stupid. When it comes to making men want to shag them, they're einsteins, but when it comes to dealing with life they are not. If Helfer is cerebral, f'n awesome for her, but she's not the norm.
they are "stupid" because it's "easy money". But every now and then, like sports stars, you might the diamond in the rough where they have the beauty and the looks (or in the case of pro athletes, brain and the brawn)
Tricia Helfer talks common sense. We should all have equal rights but pretending we are all the same at everything is denying diversity as well as nature. If most people thought clothes look better on short round people, then all models would be short round people.
Love both actors but … they really need to examine their “pendulum goes to far in the other direction” argument and how it actually an argument against addressing the issue and maintaining the status quo out of some unspoken “fear” of going to far in some unspoken “other direction”. What direction do you think the pendulum is swing, exactly. What are you afraid of, exactly?
An example of that is Victoria's Secret going full inclusive and body positivity, losing market share and revenue, having to backtrack and fire a bunch of employees.
Modeling got caught up in the everyman/woman trend of inclusivity. Models are models because they are aspirational, and they have unattainable standards. We don't pull random fat dudes off the street to go play in the NFL, or the Premier League or the NBA. Those are super athletes, and they have their jobs because they were born with an exceptional combination of athleticism, and drive. Likewise, models are born with exceptional beauty and drive. Scientists are born with exceptional intelligence and drive. One of the things that drives me crazy, is seeing hordes of people on social media attack models for having eating disorders. The truth in most cases is just uncomfortable. They are naturally thin and they can maintain that type of body with just a normal healthy active lifestyle. Yes, there are women with body issues that do have eating disorders, but guess what, if they didn't have an eating disorder due to body image problems, they'd still be thin.
1990 - a model had a pimple: "you're insanly ugly". 2024 - a model is 150kg overweight, bad acne, greasy hair: "you're absolutely perfect". Can't we meet somewhere in the middle?
All jobs can get difficult at times ... a job is a job. But top models make millions of dollars. I doubt models work as hard as elite professional athletes who also make millions, and the pressure pro athletes have to perform at at the highest level. So , yes, model is easy money ... relatively speaking.
I have a really hard time feeling empathy for people who say "I participated in a billion dollar industry that is predicated on making women (in particular and nearly exclusively) feel like their bodies, skin, hair and faces are inadequate so that they'll buy products that they don't need; and that further all of the above had contribtued to a prevelant dysmorphia and rampant eating disorders. But to be fair some garments draping just LOOKS BETTER on NATURALLY THIN bodies, and not everybody can do every job!" Like...the tone deafness.
Im sorry im sorry, but yes, the modeling industry does have an impact on beauty standards. And the issue is that adolescents girls a lot of times WANT to be in the business. They and their surroindings are not aware that they might not be suitable. Interview is nice, but dont come with: oh its not the modeling industry's fault that ridiculous beauty standards are set. It is as the word states: you are a MODEL.
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu not sure what reality you were living in sounds to me you see what you want to see. But yes things are amazing right now! lol! More children and young women especially are more unhealthy, unhappy, drug addicted, pharmaceuticaly pickled disasters! Children loping off there body parts while idiots like you don’t call out the delusion and instead welcome it like a bunch of morons. And it’s fantastic we can celebrate obesity!!! 😂
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu not going to even respond to this as RUclips will just delete the actually truth because of snowflakes like you. But obesity yay!!! Delusional people everywhere yay!
Boo Hoo, the pretty girls had such a hard life... (Don't get me wrong, I really like them as actresses... so I have no idea why they come here for fake little cry sessions...)
That was a pretty disappointing answer...while I understand it's not just the fashion industry, the decisions are made by people on purpose, whose purpose is explicitly the selling of itself. I get it, it's not an individual model's decision, let alone just one or two directors etc, so honestly, even that part of the answer okay, fine. But that last bit--what's this pendulum? What's swinging too far in this context? Too much consideration? The purpose of the fashion industry is to style and even with that as the purpose, it's never sold to everyone. "Not everyone can do every job", but jobs about style? Those jobs, like style, are made up.
I'm just guessing, but I suspect the metaphorical "pendulum" Tricia mentioned is the increasing number of non-traditionally-beautiful models and actresses in recent years. Of course "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" etc., but in my cynical opinion, these industries are only promoting more average and "realistic" women in an attempt to appeal to a bigger market, or to be _perceived_ as more "inclusive". This pendulum shift can actually be an obstacle for more attractive women wanting to capitalize on their looks, because the industry has less demand for them, but I'd argue that society still appreciates traditional beauty, and the pendulum will swing back the other way.
The pendulum has swang too far into fat acceptance. It's not healthy, therefore not good to be overweight. People shouldn't be bullied or shamed because they are overweight. But they should be encouraged to adopt a healthier lifestyle and healthy body weight.
@@faynarawn4164 Cynicism aside--not lightly, when i say that, I mean, sure, the industry is there to sell so i agree there--I find it hard to see how it would squeeze out job opportunities for "attractive" women, especially considering the fact that if the pendulum moves, it's that attractiveness, traditional or otherwise, is the thing that moves. And "traditional" beauty has moved and can be moved--that's in basic form why the question came up.
@@musicisfree91 Fashion has never been concerned with health--it's unhealthy effects is the base of the question. Considering the wellness industry, diet science/fads, exercise and sports modeling, the idea that we're so fat accepting that we've gone too far, as opposed to obsessed with weight for good and bad reasons, seems far fetched to me.
I love the friendship between these two people. They have great interviews.
Their series where they rode motorcycles was cool!
I can't believe she's 50 years old! My gosh, she's a timeless beauty. 😊
It's called Botox
I really like the way these interviews seem to bring out honest thoughts and opinions. A lot of other interviews seem like it is rehearsed, and they stick to talking points.
Also, they’re not out promoting anything like a book or a movie. This is clearly just two old colleagues/friends chatting.
It probably has a lot to do with how she isn't a professional interviewer, and though she probably prepared in some way, is slightly shooting from the hip. Also they have a past relationship from the show, and likely felt comfortable together.
@@ryandann9362 It seems like Katee has the ability to talk with all she interviews with same informal, comfortable style.
Was just thinking this. I usually can’t take these celeb interviews. But these are really honest and interesting. Helps these are two fantastic actresses.
Talking points aren't bad per se, but an interview should have a flow. If something interesting comes up that wasn't planned just dive in! I mean that's the good thing about RUclips. You can let the person talk for 2h without cutting anything.
"Not everybody can do every job. " Love it!
Tricia Helfer was born 11 April 1974 - that makes her 50 years old. I can't quite believe my eyes !
Tricia is a true warrior. She can hide so much strength behind a smile and let just enough of it shine thru to sow fear.
Tricia undoubtedly got her professional start because she was - and IS - a beautiful woman. But she has obviously studied and worked very hard to become the accomplished actor that she is. She's one of the few who can 'take on' a different character - different posture, voice, expression, all the qualities of truthful presentation that define a good actor. She also has - for me anyway - a very likeable essence. Always love watching her.
Tricia is stunning, that has not changed.
Tricia is great. Love hearing her insights.
I spoke with a model who told me that the average sized woman in Australia is a size 12, and yet the industries definition of a plus sized model is a size 10. That, by definition, means that the vast majority of women here in Australia are considered (by the industry!) to be plus sized. I was astounded.
So the average Australian chick is chunky?
They are both really beautiful.
It is such a thrill to hear any celeb say "I DON'T KNOW."
Yeah, y'know, most ppl (myself included, obvsly) don't know jack abt anything beyond our narrow realms of competence.
To acknowledge this reality, tho, is so rare...
I really enjoyed Tricia's performances.
always a joy seeing two beautiful women chat about how unfair the life of being a super star is.
Love this! The truth about …. well anything….. is different from the idea of it and sometimes how we are conditioned to think it is. It is important to know the truth behind the glittering facade.
Good point about the clothes and the person wearing them in a fashion show. You forget sometimes that fashion shows are an art exhibition. Some of those clothes are one-offs never to be made again. Just like a painting. Maybe a piece or a cut of it becomes mass produced but the show itself is about the designer's ideas. So if a certain frame or height shows that off better that's what you'll use.
Really good interview! Insightful.
It is really interesting to see and hear this side of their personas. The perspective on society driving the modelling industry was also very thoughtfully presented. It is arguably a double edged sword however. Definitely all people cannot do all jobs and we are all very different both internally and externally. I do question though whether the modelling industry is really not a part of the equation when reviewing how the younger viewing generation perceives themselves. Yes certain shapes and forms of garments will look better on particular frames of bodies, but the question should then be presented to the designers themselves why the majority of designs are tailored to these particular frames. There is no denying that all people should strive to be healthy, exercise daily, consume what is needed and not in excess, leading to a healthy frame and form. So perhaps society should press harder on designers to design for health bodies rather than overweight or underweight. Thank you again to them both for their thoughtful discourse. Wishing you all the very best.
Kelly and I went to school together in Innisfail. Shortly after he opened his agency, I started doing special effects for movies, the Calgary Flames etc, so I was feeling pretty good about myself. I was taking a lunch break at a restaurant just down from the Saddledome one day. I walk in, and there is Kelly having lunch with Tricia and if I recall 2 other ladies. He looks at me and says "hey" with a grin that says 'I won and you know it'. I stop, bubble totally popped and said "damn it". Kelly laughs, and I learn a valuable life lesson which is 'there is always someone better at what they do, than you are'.
watched Tricia recently on "Burn Notice". her Carla character was VERY different from all the different characters she played on "Battlestar"
I'll be plain about this.
I appreciate and respect Tricia's feelings about being a model and playing Number 6. I really do totally get it. I grew up with a single mom and 3 sisters, so I have a bit more insight on women and their issues than the average male.
But God DAMN she was stunning in that show and being beautiful has paid the bills for most of her working life.
There's a comment a singer that I like made about getting tired of playing his biggest hit song that I think is appropriate here: "Sure I get tired of playing it, but you have to respect the song that put your kids through college...."
To be clear, none of that is any kind of disrespect. Far from it. But ya gotta respect the talents and skills that put food on the table, ya know?
I'm really struggling to see how being naturally attractive is comparable to putting in the work necessary to learn to play an instrument, write and perform music.
She says we're 'all different and unique' and can't 'all do the same jobs' but comparing modelling to something like studying to become a medical professional is ridiculous.
It's well established that in a range of ways, attractive people are treated better. They are overestimated. They experience life in 'easy mode' when compared to others, particularly so 'ugly' people.
Being naturally attractive is not a talent. It is not a skill.
Gd pretty privilege on full narcissistic display for all to see! Having dated 3 models across 2 different decades I can confirm this.
@@_Stroda Well, technically, it is a talent. A talent is something we are (mostly) naturaly good at (in this case, being attractive). When it requires effort to develop, it's called a skill
@@fesouzasan No one uses the word talent in the way you are here. It's used to describe an ability, a skill, in doing something - not being something.
@@_Stroda The correct use is to describe an inate high level in an ability. When the high level comes from effort, it's a skill.
You'd never guess Tricia is 50. Damn...
well, I know because she's just a little older than me, and I already look 50 :/
@@Agarwaen Cosmetic surgery and makeup do miracles
Health and genetics make a huge difference too. People are aging fast now because our food and environments are poisoned and we are stressed af
@@TheSaraphic People are aging faster now? LOL, I constantly look at pics of people who were my age 30 years ago and they all look double my age.
I worked in Rue21 3 yrs ago and one of the areas was the photography studio ..I didn't interact or socialize with any of the models but I thought the models, both men and women, didn't look normal in person ..in photos they look good ..but weird in person if that makes any sense ..
For the longest time I thought Katie voiced Dare from Halo 3 ODST but it turns out it was Tricia.
They do both sound a LOT a like
Holy shit "Starbuck Has a Podcast" was definitely not on my 2024 bingo card.
Tricia seems like a real cool person to hang out with.
Kerrigan talks....I listen.... the queen of blades rules!!!
I like how she's not apologizing for being an attractive woman. Of course, hot women and handsome men are models. The smartest people are building rockets to Mars, the super attractive are doing fashion shows. Yet, in the great scheme of life, we all can only do it for a relatively short period of time. Both beauty and the mind eventually fade.
Beauty usually goes quicker
Not musk that's for sure
I love these two women so much
6:40 is a great sound.
I love Helfer so much!
Society is influenced by what it's being fed. If all you are presented with as the standards of beauty (be it magazines, TV, social media or movies) are tall and skinny women, that tends to shape how a society acknowledges and recognizes beauty. Society is being influenced by what we are exposed to and that's not the actresses, or model's responsibility, it's the industries that hire them to project what "beauty" is supposed to be.
That was honestly very candid and refreshing to hear.
the older she gets Tricia just looks better and better
I looked up her age, as I thought she looked maybe 30 in this interview.
I don't agree she looks BETTER, but that's mostly because you can't improve perfection.
I’m imagining finding a model in private life wearing an “I Did a Victoria Secret shoot and all I got was this T-Shirt” blouse.
Part of the concern around the modeling industry is representativeness of the selected model's looks to the general population, because the profession of modeling and media in general is to project a certain image considered beautiful, desirable, and worthy of emulating in terms of looks. The other professions you mentioned have a different effect and different purpose in society. Related to representativeness is the problem of artificially altering the images to ultimately a completely fabricated ideal. Models are already gorgeous and often not representative of most other humans. The make-up, lighting, clothes, and other tricks further enhance their natural beauty. But then, the industry further distorts perception and expectation on beauty, desirability, and worthiness to emulate via software edits on the image of the model's body. These practices can be incredibly harmful.
These chats are real.
It’s interesting to remember that different types of shoots need different types of bodies. We forget this when trying to match an ideal in our head that’s a vague amalgam of every model body we’ve ever seen. Supermodels don’t necessarily meet the cut, as she notes here, because they might have an imperfect elbow or eyelid or tricep or something. There’s no way to have the perfect look or the perfect look for every occasion.
Modeling is very tough. Acting is tough too. I'm happy being a musician and artist, I need to feel I have more control though those businesses suck as bad as show business.
I don’t think modeling really destroyed beauty standards because there was always the assumption that these are the most beautiful people.
Social media definitely has, though. You see someone that is supposed to be some random person out there, but there’s a completely unrealistic view of “reality”.
Perhaps unpopular opinion here, but to me, a lot of modelling and those beauty standards are for women and enforced by women. I don't want to body shame, but how many guys have you known in real life who say that a runway model is the ideal body type. Very very few in my experience.
Social media is the modeling industry's child. Social media came from the idea that you can take pictures and be adored like a model. You're speaking about the same thing.
Social media didn't exist back when corsets were the beauty standard. There's always been pressure on specifically women to look a certain way as long as civilizations have existed.
Two of my very favourite badass women having a conversation. More like this please.
tricia honesty is great, legs too
Very smart!
Years ago I received a catalog from Saxs Fifth Ave where the models looked like cancer patients they were so pale and sickly thin. I called them up, told them to never send me another catalog and why and stopped shopping there. I hope it made a little difference.
It's weird to see you two together and all serious and stuff, usually, it gets goofy very quickly. 😜
I don't agree on all her points. But a good discussion. It's such a weird business where basic genetics accounts for 95% of it. Never compliment based on looks - nature was the architect of that. How they then present themselves is another matter.
Agreed. Culture has a percentage, but evolution and instinct has the big portion of it. The struggle of human nature is the eternal fight between instinct and reason. Or instinct and morality.
Even as an amateur photographer who does it just for creative fun I can tell you that the misconceptions are endless to the point I mostly don’t talk to people about it anymore especially with men.
"But why male models?"
Really? I just told you a minute ago.
For the girls
I felt like society had made some headway with discouraging artificiality and our perceptions of women, preferring a more 'natural' look. Then at some point with the rise of social media, I don't know exactly when because I don't closely follow such trends, the use and acceptance of plastic surgery etc just seemed to skyrocket. I look at people's photos then and now with horror at what women and girls are doing to their bodies. It's like we went 20 steps backwards and its worse than ever.
Tricia was part of the supermodel era, and of all of them, Tricia was the only one who achieved a real acting career. She is the only model-actress of that era to create an iconic character (Six), the only one to star in her own network drama series, etc.
Catriona Balfe did it as well, just much later with Outlander
What was she in? Commercials? Reality Tv? Cable show? She doesn't seem all that relevant.
@@dlwoxfordWho?
@@dlwoxford Balfe was from a later generation, after the supermodel era.
Rebecca Romijn and Olga Kurylenko, both 90s super models. Both had/have legit acting careers. There are probably more, I just can't think of them off the top of my head. Rebecca was a super, super, famous super model, and Kurylenko was just a step below that.
Whether we want to argue about their acting chops, they both achieved real acting careers. Romijn maybe hasn't had as successful career as Tricia and Olga, both Olga and Rebecca have legit acting careers.
When I think of modeling, I think of Zoolander & Hansel 😃
That Hansel, he’s so hot right now
Somehow this snippet of conversation started me thinking about how it all connects up to the bigger picture, which to me is the mark of a rewarding interaction, one that I used to get all the time from parties I attended or hosted pre-pandemic. (Now I'm picturing the cat-reading newspaper meme captioned "I should start hosting parties with smart people again.")
Not sure you can blame "society" as a whole for body image pressures. Its mainly the marketing machines that do it. Individuals like what they like, no matter what rail thin or curvy women or men they put up on those big signs in Target. Fashion drives it, as in order to sell people a ton of clothes they don't need they have to come up with a new "thing" every year. I wish young people could learn earlier to ignore all that stuff and just be themselves.
Very well articulated!
Do you think the 'marketing machine" fell out of the sky fully formed? Those people are your neighbours and peers. They are part of society. Them pushing the worst aspects of our society results works because the rest of society eats it up.
Starbucks and number 6. What a great show! So cool seeing these awesome ladies outside of bsg.
She is so gorgeous 😍. She is 50😮
Great interview with 2 very talented and educated women
I'm pretty sure women hosting podcasts, where the viewer has loads of time to view the host, the podcaster can really get picked apart on this or that personal detail.
I’ve frequently wondered if models have the kind of relationship where they can voice concern to each other about eating disorders. I imagine the answers are “no” and “it depends on who it is”.
She can model for a long time still as far as I'm concerned.
Thank god the business is different now - watched the first season of Project Runway from 2003, featuring frequently abused teen models and the words "Produced by Harvey Weinstein"
Ridiculously good looking people and the problems you wish you had.
The problem with the modeling world, especially in the past, was that only one standard of beauty was forced upon us, a standard almost no women conform to. I program for a living and many years ago, worked for an advertising agency that was doing some photo shoot with models. I was leaving work and saw this black girl that was taller than me (and I’m 6’1”), thin, thin, THIN and maybe 115 lbs? She was walking and looking lost and I told her, you past the building and it’s back there. How did I know she was a model? How many 6’2”, 115lb women do you see? The height alone makes her unique. But then the thinness? Like who told the modeling world that’s what we want.
So I don’t know if I buy the idea that the modeling world is a reflection of society, because if it was, we’d see WAAAAAAY more women with curves.
its bullshit. shes talking bullshit. id like for her to fully expand on the thought "but then the pendulum swings too far the other way" (lol like what, fat women dare to want to be models? were putting too much pressure on the beauty industry? you cant drape a curvy body? skill issue.) instead of katies "mhm yeah mhm absolutely. I dont think even she agreed on that one.
"Can't back their way out of a paper bag..." Love that line Katie... let it rip..
*act
The Queen of Blades talking about modeling is something.....
I can't believe that Tricia Helfer is 50?!
I take her point and it’s well made and accurate, I believe, but I think the biggest problem with the modelling industry was airbrushing out flaws and pretending this was the natural look of a model. That no enhancements had been made to photos. That’s what caused young girls to have unrealistic impressions of what their bodies should look like.
Very good talk!
Sorry for the offtopic question, but does anyone know what mic boom arm are they using?
The most egregious misconception is that the modeling industry is in anyway respectful or sympathetic to models. Like any industry where there are tens of thousands more desperate applicants than roles to be filled, the employers have the power and they treat models with disdain. If you manage to even up this disparity by becoming one of the few models that everyone wants, enjoy it while it lasts but the majority of models work in an industry that continually reinforces the message that they are as disposable as toilet paper and that with each month that passes they get ever more closer to their use by date
I think that the fashion industry has kept pushing towards tall and very thin even when society preferred more curves. High fashion is not really something that normal women can expect to wear. Looking at sketches for new ideas, many are even more exaggerated tall and thin than actual humans.
Traditionally, swimsuit models tended to look more like the society's current "ideal shape", since most women will actually wear swimsuits at some point. I suspect that is why swimsuits tend to be more curvy and tend to reflect the current shape preferences.
No, simply swimsuit modelling is soft porn
There have been self-image problems with boys and bodybuilders, too.
It's been 20 years and neither of these two appears to have aged.
Audi whati?
Models seem to have a fairly rough life. Who knew. It’s probably the same for Oil Tycoon kids and such
Not seeing that relationship at all…
She mentions that society seems to drive the preferred 'look' for people and specifically mentions 'big butts'. I don't think society necessarily pushes this, but small, specific sects within it. Between Kim Kardashian getting butt implants (and the societal impact of influencers like her) and Sir Mix Alot ('Baby got Back'), it seems to me to be more driven by people that are 'looked up to', no matter their morals/greed/etc.
Two of the best actors.
Tricia has the best smile.
Kate can do anything, be tough, be seductive and be a woman.
An extremely beautiful woman!
You really missed an opportunity to call your clips channel "bitesize Katee"
IMO I don't think the "they're mostly stupid' is a misconception. I ran in circles models were in when I was single, and the majority of them do not have any common sense and many are, in fact, stupid. When it comes to making men want to shag them, they're einsteins, but when it comes to dealing with life they are not. If Helfer is cerebral, f'n awesome for her, but she's not the norm.
Bingo!
they are "stupid" because it's "easy money". But every now and then, like sports stars, you might the diamond in the rough where they have the beauty and the looks (or in the case of pro athletes, brain and the brawn)
I never thought they got to keep the clothes.
She’s soooo right! The pendulum has completely swung the other way now…..just open a magazine!!! 🤷🏼♂️
Was not aware of "butt implants" - depressing. Yes, society.
Tricia Helfer talks common sense. We should all have equal rights but pretending we are all the same at everything is denying diversity as well as nature. If most people thought clothes look better on short round people, then all models would be short round people.
Love both actors but … they really need to examine their “pendulum goes to far in the other direction” argument and how it actually an argument against addressing the issue and maintaining the status quo out of some unspoken “fear” of going to far in some unspoken “other direction”. What direction do you think the pendulum is swing, exactly. What are you afraid of, exactly?
An example of that is Victoria's Secret going full inclusive and body positivity, losing market share and revenue, having to backtrack and fire a bunch of employees.
Modeling got caught up in the everyman/woman trend of inclusivity.
Models are models because they are aspirational, and they have unattainable standards.
We don't pull random fat dudes off the street to go play in the NFL, or the Premier League or the NBA. Those are super athletes, and they have their jobs because they were born with an exceptional combination of athleticism, and drive. Likewise, models are born with exceptional beauty and drive. Scientists are born with exceptional intelligence and drive.
One of the things that drives me crazy, is seeing hordes of people on social media attack models for having eating disorders. The truth in most cases is just uncomfortable. They are naturally thin and they can maintain that type of body with just a normal healthy active lifestyle. Yes, there are women with body issues that do have eating disorders, but guess what, if they didn't have an eating disorder due to body image problems, they'd still be thin.
1990 - a model had a pimple: "you're insanly ugly".
2024 - a model is 150kg overweight, bad acne, greasy hair: "you're absolutely perfect".
Can't we meet somewhere in the middle?
All jobs can get difficult at times ... a job is a job.
But top models make millions of dollars.
I doubt models work as hard as elite professional athletes who also make millions, and the pressure pro athletes have to perform at at the highest level.
So , yes, model is easy money ... relatively speaking.
I have a really hard time feeling empathy for people who say "I participated in a billion dollar industry that is predicated on making women (in particular and nearly exclusively) feel like their bodies, skin, hair and faces are inadequate so that they'll buy products that they don't need; and that further all of the above had contribtued to a prevelant dysmorphia and rampant eating disorders. But to be fair some garments draping just LOOKS BETTER on NATURALLY THIN bodies, and not everybody can do every job!" Like...the tone deafness.
Hand models on Zoolander
Im sorry im sorry, but yes, the modeling industry does have an impact on beauty standards. And the issue is that adolescents girls a lot of times WANT to be in the business. They and their surroindings are not aware that they might not be suitable. Interview is nice, but dont come with: oh its not the modeling industry's fault that ridiculous beauty standards are set. It is as the word states: you are a MODEL.
Nothing about how AI is taking over
The sound guy needs to put a larger sock over the guest mic. All the lip-smacking and breathing is a bit much!
Or simply move the mic slightly further away. A bigger sock and you can’t see the talent.
Oh, brother. Add more fibre to your diet.
I think the modeling gets the blame.
"I'd like to do the occasional shoot, just not full time." = I still need that validation.
She could pull off a males voice 😅
Can we just stop with the inclusivity garbage. This crap is actually causing more division and less inclusivity. God I miss the 80’s and 90’s
isn't misogyny and sexist culture great in the 80s and 90s where women are just a bunch of body parts and a pretty face and not to be taken seriously?
The guys in the 80's and 90's missed the 50's and the 60's
@ I agree!!! We were already falling down a deep depraved and to soft future
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu not sure what reality you were living in sounds to me you see what you want to see. But yes things are amazing right now! lol! More children and young women especially are more unhealthy, unhappy, drug addicted, pharmaceuticaly pickled disasters! Children loping off there body parts while idiots like you don’t call out the delusion and instead welcome it like a bunch of morons. And it’s fantastic we can celebrate obesity!!! 😂
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu not going to even respond to this as RUclips will just delete the actually truth because of snowflakes like you. But obesity yay!!! Delusional people everywhere yay!
The Suckoff Show.
No, that’s your spinoff.
Her take on society vs the modeling industry and jobs is trash.
Boo Hoo, the pretty girls had such a hard life... (Don't get me wrong, I really like them as actresses... so I have no idea why they come here for fake little cry sessions...)
Don’t watch. Hug your teddy instead.
That was a pretty disappointing answer...while I understand it's not just the fashion industry, the decisions are made by people on purpose, whose purpose is explicitly the selling of itself. I get it, it's not an individual model's decision, let alone just one or two directors etc, so honestly, even that part of the answer okay, fine. But that last bit--what's this pendulum? What's swinging too far in this context? Too much consideration? The purpose of the fashion industry is to style and even with that as the purpose, it's never sold to everyone. "Not everyone can do every job", but jobs about style? Those jobs, like style, are made up.
I'm just guessing, but I suspect the metaphorical "pendulum" Tricia mentioned is the increasing number of non-traditionally-beautiful models and actresses in recent years. Of course "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" etc., but in my cynical opinion, these industries are only promoting more average and "realistic" women in an attempt to appeal to a bigger market, or to be _perceived_ as more "inclusive". This pendulum shift can actually be an obstacle for more attractive women wanting to capitalize on their looks, because the industry has less demand for them, but I'd argue that society still appreciates traditional beauty, and the pendulum will swing back the other way.
The pendulum has swang too far into fat acceptance. It's not healthy, therefore not good to be overweight. People shouldn't be bullied or shamed because they are overweight. But they should be encouraged to adopt a healthier lifestyle and healthy body weight.
@@faynarawn4164 Cynicism aside--not lightly, when i say that, I mean, sure, the industry is there to sell so i agree there--I find it hard to see how it would squeeze out job opportunities for "attractive" women, especially considering the fact that if the pendulum moves, it's that attractiveness, traditional or otherwise, is the thing that moves. And "traditional" beauty has moved and can be moved--that's in basic form why the question came up.
the pendulum swung so far into inclusion based on race, gender etc. that it began to exclude based on race, gender etc...
@@musicisfree91 Fashion has never been concerned with health--it's unhealthy effects is the base of the question. Considering the wellness industry, diet science/fads, exercise and sports modeling, the idea that we're so fat accepting that we've gone too far, as opposed to obsessed with weight for good and bad reasons, seems far fetched to me.
Your correct height is 8 feet 6 inches. I like my daughter's to be both shorter than me and taller than me.