Thank you for video. We will take it to note and definitely make upgradings. Actually we have already changed construction of thumb, now plate is bigger and protection is better. In nearest time we will also increase protection of index finger and change leather on palm
That sounds great! If the index is better protected this is a 10/10 glove for me. Would different leather fix the dye on hands thing? What exactly do you mean by plate on thumb is bigger? The one that covers the thumbjoint?
@@petritzky yes, we are searching leather that won't paing hands in black, and will be same solid. And yes, on new models of gloves thumb plate is a bit bigger
I agree with both of your initial issues. For the thumb, I wrapped the whole thumb in tape, immobilizing the articulations. I did this because I had sword tips come up and under the second articulation, which seems like it should be a freak occurrence but happened multiple times. This had the side effect of improving the protection of the tip of the thumb, because now it is braced against the rest of the glove via the tape and can't smash into the front of your thumb, instead of being basically free floating like it is with the articulations. The tradeoff is thumb mobility, which I don't find that I need for fencing. I did this same thing for my Spatha Michael gloves, which had the same issue. For the dye, from the start I have been wearing cotton gloves underneath my gloves, which I did to reduce damage from sweat, which used to eviscerate my spes heavy gloves back in the day. That had the side effect of protecting me from the dye, and I think it is also improving their longevity like I was hoping it would.
@The Missingno About the Michael gloves, any ideas on how to prevent the rivets from falling out? This happens to me all the time now, I've temporarily fixed it by putting tape around the rivets but am considering something more permanent, Loctite perhaps?
@@heirihunziker As I don't have a pair of michael gloves I'm really not sure. Not on one of my gloves has ever a rivet fallen out. On one pair of my spes heavies a rivet broke, but it was at the end of its livetime anyway. I thought about riveting it back, but I would have to drill it out again and I'm not sure if my tool fits inside the glove to punch the rivet.
The main issue we had in the club was that the thumb plate would fall off during sparring. It is only held together by one rivet and out of 6 pairs in the club, 3 had this issue. But HF guys were amazing and replaced 2, (the third one was ordered a long time ago, so we didn't ask for a replacement). Their support gets 10/10 from me. Other issues we didn't have, except for a bit of staining which went away after a month. Love the gloves and would recommend them for sure, hopefully, they'll reinforce the thumb plate in the future.
@@petritzky I don't know if we just had bad luck. But I would definitely like to see more than one rivet on that central thumb plate. That said they are still the best clamshells on the market currently IMHO.
Actually, I just recently was making adjustments for my HFs for the exact reasons you stated - the index finger base joint being bruised over time due to the protective plates falling backward. I put there a piece of solid leather, which comes 3mm in front of the glove and goes under the plates up to the middle of the hand back and it works wonders. I still think that connecting the plastic plate with the glove via some simple rubber knot may be the best way to solve the issue but this one (and from the videos, I assume your one too) works just fine. Also, my complaint to HFs which you didn't mention (maybe you don't suffer from this issue) is they become quite smooth in time, making it really hard to keep the hold on the sword grip in some full-force situations
The staining is a real thing yeah, when I have a full training weekend my hands are deep black for about a week afterwards. In an attempt to solve it, I’ve bathed them for days in biotex and water, which seems to have drawn out a lot of dye… so I hope most of the staining will be gone… wish me luck
Initially, my HFs didn't cause any staining but after a couple months the issue surfaced with a vengeance. I might try this bathing technique you mentioned. Product needs to be renamed from Black Knight to Black Hand...
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Thank you for video. We will take it to note and definitely make upgradings.
Actually we have already changed construction of thumb, now plate is bigger and protection is better. In nearest time we will also increase protection of index finger and change leather on palm
That sounds great!
If the index is better protected this is a 10/10 glove for me.
Would different leather fix the dye on hands thing?
What exactly do you mean by plate on thumb is bigger? The one that covers the thumbjoint?
@@petritzky yes, we are searching leather that won't paing hands in black, and will be same solid.
And yes, on new models of gloves thumb plate is a bit bigger
I agree with both of your initial issues. For the thumb, I wrapped the whole thumb in tape, immobilizing the articulations. I did this because I had sword tips come up and under the second articulation, which seems like it should be a freak occurrence but happened multiple times. This had the side effect of improving the protection of the tip of the thumb, because now it is braced against the rest of the glove via the tape and can't smash into the front of your thumb, instead of being basically free floating like it is with the articulations. The tradeoff is thumb mobility, which I don't find that I need for fencing. I did this same thing for my Spatha Michael gloves, which had the same issue.
For the dye, from the start I have been wearing cotton gloves underneath my gloves, which I did to reduce damage from sweat, which used to eviscerate my spes heavy gloves back in the day. That had the side effect of protecting me from the dye, and I think it is also improving their longevity like I was hoping it would.
The cotton glove probably saves you from nasty smell as well
@The Missingno About the Michael gloves, any ideas on how to prevent the rivets from falling out? This happens to me all the time now, I've temporarily fixed it by putting tape around the rivets but am considering something more permanent, Loctite perhaps?
@@heirihunziker As I don't have a pair of michael gloves I'm really not sure. Not on one of my gloves has ever a rivet fallen out.
On one pair of my spes heavies a rivet broke, but it was at the end of its livetime anyway. I thought about riveting it back, but I would have to drill it out again and I'm not sure if my tool fits inside the glove to punch the rivet.
@@heirihunziker I don't know, the rivets have not fallen out of mine.
The main issue we had in the club was that the thumb plate would fall off during sparring. It is only held together by one rivet and out of 6 pairs in the club, 3 had this issue.
But HF guys were amazing and replaced 2, (the third one was ordered a long time ago, so we didn't ask for a replacement). Their support gets 10/10 from me.
Other issues we didn't have, except for a bit of staining which went away after a month. Love the gloves and would recommend them for sure, hopefully, they'll reinforce the thumb plate in the future.
That's interesting. First time I heard of that issue. We have 4 pairs and none happened(so far).
@@petritzky I don't know if we just had bad luck. But I would definitely like to see more than one rivet on that central thumb plate. That said they are still the best clamshells on the market currently IMHO.
Hehe I have also used chair leg padding for sparring glove mittens :)
Thank you for the update
Actually, I just recently was making adjustments for my HFs for the exact reasons you stated - the index finger base joint being bruised over time due to the protective plates falling backward. I put there a piece of solid leather, which comes 3mm in front of the glove and goes under the plates up to the middle of the hand back and it works wonders. I still think that connecting the plastic plate with the glove via some simple rubber knot may be the best way to solve the issue but this one (and from the videos, I assume your one too) works just fine.
Also, my complaint to HFs which you didn't mention (maybe you don't suffer from this issue) is they become quite smooth in time, making it really hard to keep the hold on the sword grip in some full-force situations
Glad you found a way to fix it.
No, so far I haven't had issues with the grip beeing bad. Hopefully it stays that way.
The staining is a real thing yeah, when I have a full training weekend my hands are deep black for about a week afterwards. In an attempt to solve it, I’ve bathed them for days in biotex and water, which seems to have drawn out a lot of dye… so I hope most of the staining will be gone… wish me luck
Initially, my HFs didn't cause any staining but after a couple months the issue surfaced with a vengeance. I might try this bathing technique you mentioned. Product needs to be renamed from Black Knight to Black Hand...
@@heirihunziker hmmm that's idea:)
do you fight with glasses?
Usually I don't. I only have -1.5 on both eyes, so it ain't that bad.