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I spoke to a friend of mine in China about her possible new job. She said she had to work 10 hours a day, 6 days a week at the factory for 1785 RMB a month + overtime. That's 7 RMB per hour. This is modern slavery. So sad.
You guys should do video conquering North America I think you will be pleasantly surprised on how much culture that it is in the US that doesn’t get shown to mainstream media.
Some American or someone pretending to be American on Instagram) was trying to tell me that China pulled their citizens out of poverty! My in law are from China. I told them that my in laws told me and what I learned from you!
The economy of China is spurious at best. There's plenty of reasons for the mass exodus/divestment of companies, corporations, and manufacturers from China; and its not just due to the human rights concerns. Primarily because doing business in China is a faustian bargain to begin with: considering that you can't sue an entity that is 51% owned by the state, and the guarenteed Intellectual Property Theft and Brand Subversion. The WTO has been discussing the devaluation of the Yuan-RMB within the following year; due to the charges of Currency Manipulation, levied by both the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. Also, there's a serious likelihood of phased sanctions; as a handful of countries are drafting their own versions of America's "Global Magnitsky Act", specifically to address the CCP's criminal activities domestically and abroad.
@Moy The CCP invests a lot of money and effort to keep "Huaren" confused; conflating ethnicity with Nationality, even though they are separate concepts in the west.
As a Chinese, I must say, I never saw places like this rural village in life and almost never acquaint with people from such places. But just looking at statistics, it is no surprise that there are "40%-45%" population living in those areas as said in the video. The poor people don't want to be shown in their real status, doing well people don't want to consider these areas part of their reality under the same name China. This mentality creates a huge gap between cognitions.
@@Don-zd6ni : The Chinese nation might be rich, but most of the individual citizens are desperately poor. The Chinese nation is not the only entity that matters; the lives of the individual citizens also matter.
It's really not that different from other countries. Hiding the stuff that makes them look bad. Whether it's the US, Germany, France etc... They all constantly tell everyone "we are rich countries"! But the poverty is usually ignored.
Good episode. I miss the old days before you guys got chased out. It was a mistake, since by showing an honest portrait, you were actually great ambassadors for China. These are beautiful lands and beautiful people. They screwed up.
@i'm the king and Chinese government doesn't use this gdp for betterment of such poor and people living in such conditions but uses the money to capture more countries and expand their territory, atleast worry about your own people feed them first before capturing more areas and hence more people. making them slave torturing them is what they do if someone resists. As they did in Tibet then now in Xinjiang. hell they don't even really care about people living in their villages.
I come from a place very similar to the one shown in the video, and I would like to point out that the Chinese government's elimination of absolute poverty refers to guaranteeing the most basic "food, clothing, shelter and transportation (food, clothing and housing are guaranteed)" for everyone; in 2019, the government premier Li Keqiang pointed out in his government work report to the nation that 600 million people in China have a per capita income is less than 2,000 yuan (equivalent to $310). So that's why the Chinese government keeps calling itself a developing country. I don't know the reason why you were kicked out, but I think the most likely reason is political issues.
Thank you for sharing the truths about China! There is a Chinese saying「沒有比較，就沒有傷害」(roughly translate to:“comparison makes pain”) I think that’s called denial. Acknowledgment of reality is the first step towards improving it…. I was born and raised in a middle class family in capital city of a average Chinese province. Before I move to USA, my dad took me to visit a close by village to visit a friend just a little outside of the boundaries of city life as I knew. I was shocked to see how poor people were compare to the life I had. A total eye opening experience. it’s saddens me to see nothing changed in these area of China two decades later…
Improving the lot of a nation takes generations. My family were poor farm workers four generations ago. Too many were lost in wars (fighting Germans for the ungrateful French) but that is another story. Yet each and every year as a family we became very slightly, ever so little, a little bit wealthier. Now we don’t have to worry too much about the future. The same should happen in China. There is no quick fix but hopefully education, healthcare and affordable food becomes is a reality for everyone before long.
I admire Chinese history and culture but “face” culture is probably the biggest turn off for me, ever. I’m tolerant of all sorts of weird habits and traditions, people will be different. But the whole face concept is sickening to me.
“Saving face” was invented by the Chinese. It’s their way of not accepting any responsibility for their actions. Heaven forbid should someone be chastised for doing wrong!
China will never gain respect until face culture is eradicated. It's just that simple. Instead they take no responsibility and have the nerve to demand apologies from others. What a joke.
Ever since I started reading chinese webnovels, I've found that these videos really help put what I'm reading into context. For instance I've noticed almost every unlimited flow novel has at least one arc set in an underdeveloped rural village. The way that they're described matches pretty closely with what you're talking about here! I will resist the urge to speculate on what this suggests about China's collective subconscience.
I have noticed from the manhuas I read a decided pattern in plot themes. A social nobody, commonly labeled "trash" who by some means rises above his impoverished circumstances, to repay any and all personal grudges and social sneers- and of course gets the women. The thing is while there is a sense that the system has been unfair to HIM, there is seldom any greater sense from the MC that the system itself needs to change. Just that he is now happy to have the means and power to avenge himself and protect the few people he cares about. And while in the beginning the MC's payback is often justified against former bullies, I have often found myself troubled by the fact that after the initial arc, the moment one looks at the MC's actions from any perspective other than the biased pro-MC POV, there isn't really all that much to differentiate his actions from the bullies- he is beating up people because he can and thinks he is right to because they made him angry for some reason (often rather petty ones as the author ran out of new ideas). The problem with these stories is that they are such obvious rinse and repeats of the same basic idea, not just throughout the manhua, but in the various manhuas that it all blurs. They are there to fulfill the fantasy of a nobody becoming somebody and getting back at anyone who ever even remotely looked down on them. There is little plot besides that, or rather the plot is just a vehicle for that. These stories don't critique the system (of course), not even when it's in a alternate historical fantasy setting, but rather promise the MC wealth and social success within it. While I didn't want to ascribe too much to a single genre, the lack of variance of the same basic theme in so many manhuas does attest for there being enough of target market for it- and the need for it. Just like the female romantic equivalent rags to riches payback manhuas. Modern fictional opium for the masses who can only fantasize about it?
Rural Chinese guy living in a hut without electric power at the end of a dirt road -"I'm so tired of this, I want to live in a nice apartment in town". Urban US guy living in a nice apartment in a town: -"I'm so tired of this, I want to live in a off grid cabin at the end of a long dirt road".😁
Maybe there should be some sort of citizen exchange program. Lol It does take all types to make a world, and satisfaction, along with gratitude, are not easy to find.
It's a "Grass is always greener at the other side" mentality. If you've been through both, you'll be able to seek out a weighted decision with pros and cons.
@@dodieodie498 Well, my posting in this forum is more then a bit glib, I do realize this fact since the Chinese guy I described have little to no choice when it comes to his living arrangements and his annual income. It's just that I watch several off grid channels here on RUclips, and the way many Chinese people are forced to live in the countryside (in small, simple houses without any municipal services, raising goats and chickens and growing much of their own food) is the dream life for many westerners. The BIG difference is they would do so out of choice, and with better equipment and opportunities (such as having a "living off grid" channel on RUclips...). And that they can always choose to opt out and go back to their old life if they decide they think it's too hard and that they don't like living that way any more. It was just the juxtaposition between this particular video (excellent work by the guys as always) to the videos made by off grid enthusiasts, that are uploaded to the same platform that struck me as kind of funny, but in reality it's not funny at all of course...
@@akersjon278 Yes. I understand. I have watched those videos as well. There is a big difference between living as a minimalist by choice and basically being forced to do it because it's the only option. Or at least the only one you know. I was thinking about a video I saw on "coffin" renters in Hong Kong, and how that life would compare to rural China. Then you can compare these folks to people in Burundi or people living in the back back backwoods of the U.S. People living a certain way because it's the way their families have always lived or out of choice or because it's all they know. And who is to say which are the most content and why when you don't live as they do. I keep thinking that there is probably a very good "middle". That's what I'm looking for.
My Brazilian friend here in UK was saying similar. When we walked past stables and how horses are for the poor and farmers there and the wealthy here. The contrasting ideals are intriguing. The grass is greener and all, on this particular thing. Suggests more about abject lack of balance, in any society, still. Along with the impacts that has on individuals. Seemingly, being a wealthy farmer, globally, appears the happiest way to live.
I think I already commented on one of your videos Winston, but when I was going to China when I was 7 to adopt my sister.(I was the person who was adopted from yunnan) when we went to guangzhou to adopt her it was really hot and humid, we got stuck in a store for an hour since there was a monsoon outside all of the sudden. I vaguely remember praying at one of the many Buddhist temples and burning incense, just to learn I was praying/wishing the wrong way😆. I love that your debunking China and showing people that China has not conquered poverty, because it bring awareness to the problem that many people are very impoverished in China. Stay awesome Winston and C milk.
@@shinbi6009 Yes, most countries have a fair amount of poorer people. Even in Western Europe where we're probably leading in social aids policy and government help for lower classes. But the difference is that no government except the CCP claims that they solved that issue.
I don’t really know much of my birth place, I live right now with what many people would call “westerners”. One is Irish the other is Italian, that’s why my last name is MacBlane.
As an American-born-Chinese mostly raised in a provincial capital and now studying overseas again, I almost forgot the fact that my parents were born and raised in villages just like this, and were the lucky ones who made it out of the hills and saw the world. Thank you for this video. Can't believe a few footage reminds me of the time lying in a car's back seats waiting to meet my grandparents.
tons of unfilled innovation jobs in china. the poor are weak seeds. tons of poor people in usa. for minorities to do well in usa, they need to attack their own kind. china's weak people came from the great wall of china. after it is built, human nature show ---> everyone feels safe from northern "barbarians" ---> most people in china want easy life ---> the survival of the weak, adopting buddhism and socialism ---> practice groupism, taking advantage of those who work hard, grabbing the fruit of their hard work ---> they know their action (called theft) is wrong ---> they promote atheism ---> NO God ---> NO accountability ---> so they wish. the great wall of china did a lot of damage to china. it brings out the human nature's laziness. now the west refuse to help china ---> massive unemployment in china ---> people in china need to take birth controls.
I must say some of the most fun i have had in China have been in these areas with my wife when we travelled. People there are super friendly, always someone whom wants to talk, saw a rural show onces and every single actor whom went on stage called me out for a short chat before starting. even once during new year we arrived alittle late to a dragon dance in one of the towns and the guy whom runs the town got the dancers back together to do it again.
Me too. In working-class cities the people were lovely. Kind and open and inquisitive. Often on the street, I would be asked if I was Christian? I am but I came across many who were inquisitive about religion. I always felt safe. No way I can go back now.
@Naikomi Thanks for the information Naikomi, If a regime is afraid of religious freedom, shows insecurity. Hopefully one day all the people of the PRC are free of oppression and able to make up their own minds about most things, More importantly, they have access to the whole internet. Open their minds to the whole world. We need to all get along. Very little children are a joy to watch. They all get along.
At the end there seriously rings true for me. When I was living there, the disconnect between the state spewed headlines about all the great progress China has made, and how great everything is and how there are no problems and actually China is #1 in green energy production... Meanwhile, the smog is so thick you can't see the sun (or it looks like a faint reddish-pink dot), the idea of food safety is non-existent, and you drive a whole hour outside of Beijing and what does it look like? It looks EXACTLY like what you guys showed in this video. Hell, places WITHIN Beijing look like this video (and you even showed it!).
So the century of humiliation was both better and had nothing to do with current problems? There is no economic growth in China? It didn't go from the richest nation on earth before the invasions to one of the poorest? It didn't then go back to being the richest today? Enough lies, just admit that you hate the Chinese for becoming independent and prosperous.
@@stevemcgowen first of all they have and no thanks to the West that robbed them for over a century. Second you know full well that Taiwan stole all of China's gold. Literally trillions stolen. It was then given high end technology to become a high income economy. It's all just theft and politics, at the end of the day you just steal and give hand outs to your favourite pets.
You guys make me proud, thank you so much for talking to us about things the same way you'd hear from a friend and not blatant propaganda. You guys rock and are super brave!
As a Chinese I would’ve said the exact same things as you guys did, great summary. However, China as a whole is still a power to be reckoned with, I hope people don’t get the idea that since so many people are still impoverished in China, China or the CCP is easy to defeat when we come to that day. People have to understand how much CCP is willing to let the Chinese people suffer in order to come out victorious.
We won't clean this sh*t. We don't care to defeat this sh*t. We only care to protect ourselves, our border. It's your nation, your motherland. Try to protect it, build it once in a while. If you can't, then you're deserve to be poor.
These guys are talking about the economy, not the military. Nobody wants to go to war with China. However, unprovoked attacks on countries that didn’t attack you cannot be tolerated. Putin the maniac is going to be tough to deal with because he really doesn’t give a shit about his people. Why else would he threaten to use Nuclear Weapons. He has to realize it would result in the destruction of Russia when the nukes are flying. He only cares about things that threaten his power. He is a modern day Hitler as far as I am concerned.
It's a shame because the countryside itself looks so beautiful! If it was properly looked after, and the people had access to a more developed lifestyle (if they choose so), then the Chinese countryside could really be something special. Something the nation can be proud of, rather than sweep under a rug.
Exactly, China could have their countryside developed without the need of building urban cities if they care about the poor citizens. I guess a good example would be countries like Switzerland or Finland where the rural areas are very developed and the farmers have a very high income compared to other countries.
Think and do the research before you conclude, guys. I grew up in a village in China and I am familiar with the surroundings in the video. These are easy to be found on Chinese TIKTOK, I don't understand the so-called swipe up. Chinese people are free to upload any footage of their villages and share it with everyone public. Also, when these two dudes point at the shack in the video, talking about living conditions bad as such, the fact is, that thing is a shack for stocks!!!!! Also, we, never claimed our country as a developed country, either officially or from the viewpoint of individuals, we know that we are a developing country, what the hell are you talking about?!
You are still looking at China with the ideological system of the West, and even in the comments you say how poor this village is. Have you seen how much we spent on rural construction? Why don't you come over to help us improve? Five years ago I visited one of the poorest villages in China and could only eat one sweet potato per meal. Now the government guarantees that residents have meat and vegetables in their meals. Twenty years ago, many Chinese villagers could not say that they were fully fed. now what? You have no experience of poverty and hunger, so give us whatever you want. Since the beginning of the 21st century, the Chinese government has spent more than billions of dollars on the network, water supply, electricity, education, agriculture, and rural construction. These are things that you will not evaluate.
It’s NOT communism vs capitalism; it’s freedom of self determination vs authoritarian control. People should be free to prosper and determine their lives without restriction, and people need to be protected from malicious power structures. We need balance. We need to take care of ourselves AND our fellow humans
Well it's all those things. Not communism vs capitalism but communism vs democracy definitely. Where the leaders a working for your vote if the citizens find no life improvement you ain't getting voted for. Now this is when democracy works, obviously there are corrupt democracies where this doesn't work. But I think we've all read animal farm. Communism is an excuse to rule with corruption and lies, forcing poverty and famine (and everything else bad that comes with it) all in the name of nationalism.
in my experience there are only two types of Communism authoritarian and anarchist anarchists are well most don't even know what there talking about mostly there just anti government and can't be bothered to give an thought out alternative the authoritarian ones tell you there for the people but your not allowed to disagree with them
@@robspunk democracy is gay. It leads to the majority just voting themselves the minorities money and property which tends to end up in a Marxist government. Only net tax payers should vote
I live in a "tier 2" city and while there are no mountains within the city, there are still plenty of people living in stone shacks with metal roofs and no insulation within the outer rings of the city. You head 30-60 minutes outside of the immediate city and you see this exact kind of scenery: very rustic and undeveloped infrastructure, agricultural lifestyle, as well as the ever-outward creeping development of the city as new construction sites dot the roadside.
The "non-entities" that the spoiled upper class would not bother talking to are the real heart and soul of a country. "Salt of the earth." The ordinary folks who get by and just deal with their existence and survive. Go back a couple of generations in my family, on either side, and that covers every one of them. They made do and lived and didn't give two shits for the people who looked down their nose at them.
many of the people were removed from their positions of university professors, teachers etc were forcefully moved to the poorer rural areas when the purges happened under Mao
@@TerrenceBosworth No, really? Honest? No kidding? Your comment has nothing to do with what I said; it is partially correct or at least only partially what happened, since many of them were just murdered and not sent where they could still exist as a threat; and those type of events are extremely elementary and well-known bits of information.
*_Matthew 11.28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light."_* _Jesus Christ loves you. Repent and be saved. Only Jesus Christ saves. God bless you, and the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you and your family._ -
I have traveled independently in China in June 2019. I saw both the urban version, and the rural version. You are pretty correct regarding the rural part. I can fully relate to this.
A wealthy nation is one where your adult population have employment that allows them to have a home, food, clothing, healthcare and sufficient income to save for rainy days and, very importantly, a pension. A prosperous nation is one where only one person in a family works and they can afford to have children who are educated.
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not one person works, but one person needs to work
@@zerohero5753 Wrong. Those with properly funded occupational schemes have pensions as do those who make their own private arrangements.They are totally sustainable but they require savings to be made for your entire working life.
My Chinese students tell me about this. Its much worse than you are saying. They say the state can't get teachers or medical people to go to the rural areas so the children are not getting educated and the health treatments are medieval.
I've had Chinese and Japanese students live with me for 2 decades. The Chinese students come with beliefs that the U.S. has simply lied about history. They believe the Tienanmen Square massacre was filmed in Hollywood. After a month or so, they begin to realize what has happened to them. They watch RUclips videos of Tienanmen Square students screaming (for example) and they begin to realize Hollywood cannot replicate these accents, dialects and phrasing - they realize it's not fake. I've had at least 10 students over the years in my living room pulling on their hair (literally, I guess it's a thing in their culture) and saying things like, "I've been so brainwashed!" Through tears, they often tell me they are scared to go back because they cannot talk about what they now know. It's a horrible position these people are put in by the Communist government.
@@blessedwithchallenges9917 many people Stay Quiet Do their work without any controversy and goes back to China because their parents will become Hostage to CCP if they go against china i seen many news about Chinese students who protested in Australia Threatened by CCP by using family card
@@davidbilla8063 I had a student who became a Christian while living with my family. When he returned to China we didn't hear from him for 3 years. Then we got an email from him apologizing. He said he was arrested when he got off the plane and interrogated for 3 days. He said his punishment was very light - they took his internet access away for 3 years. He also said, "God bless you and your family", at the end of the email. I was scared for him since I knew it was possible the CCP was reading his emails. It's now been about 12 years and we've never heard from him again besides that one email.
I made a comment on a video (beautiful area) Guiyang. City surrounded by Forests and a waterfall. I said it was breathtaking but I couldn't go as I don't want to support the regime , CCP. Well the abuse I got back was unreal. They all insist that the CCP has ended poverty, and defended the one child policy. Over 100 replies to me. One said... She would drown if enough Chinese spat on her ! Lovely eh ? ...
Spent three weeks in China working in ChengDu. During the off days, I would walk in one direction from the hotel, and then walk back. The difference was brutal even 15 years ago. Some people driving Land Rovers, while other were on a old bike wearing clothes that looked 15 year old. I am surprised that the regime has lasted as long as it has. I was expecting an overthrow of the government even back than. Why do the people with nothing still support the government ?
391 million Chinese have signed up for tuidang(exit the party) movement that began 17 years ago despite internet censorship. I think it's coming soon. It's just not possible for one political party to hold power for over 80 years and CCP has been in power for 73 years as of 2022. If they manage to get rid of the CCP, there's nothing they wouldn't be able to achieve. We might actually have to worry about that lol
The Chinese are very satisfied with the government. If an ordinary Chinese chooses to live in the United States or in China, more than 90% of ordinary people choose to live in China. . However, rich people are willing to live in America. Because even if you kill people in America, money can solve any problem, even be the president of the United States, but not in China. . All people in China are equal.
I live in a small city in China, we have tall buildings on our side, but the suburbs are mostly factories and rural areas. I live in an apartment. The community we live in has more than 20 buildings, each building has 17 floors, and it is already a relatively remote place. There are indeed some areas in China like the one in the video, but not much, not as exaggerated as 45%, at most one tenth, and the number is getting smaller and smaller
I lived in Chengdu and attended Chengdu university, this is exactly how the town just outside the gate of the university looked like, we used to go there after the lessons were over all the time.
China is poor. It's frustrating how people think China is at or near the levels of wealth and quality of life as neighboring South Korea or Japan. China has a long way to go.
They will never get there. A healthy, vibrant and strong population is the last thing that a Communist Govt' can tolerate. They tend to want more than the Communist system can ever provide.
That's how successful their propaganda campaigns have been, that even politicians "believe the hype" so to speak. Yet all one has to do is just check the conversion rates, or why China is kept afloat by western subsidies.
Doesn't matter! China has the power, She can plunder other countries resources to feed China's poor. Belt and road initiative ,digital Yuan all the way coming up.
@@victorye7150 Which is exactly why CCP's unnecessarily bellicose and unfortunately belligerent behavior will result in binding UN Resolutions. This is exactly how the DPRK got themselves isolated. ....they refused to play nice with others.
I've had a few friends who lived in china for a year teaching English who would make fun of me if I mentioned poorer areas of china and send me photos of their wealthy foreign neighborhood in Shanghai. China really messes with the heads of some tourists.
*What you have to understand at any time the phones can be taken off them for one reason or another and their messages checked I imagine they said what they needed to*
@@sosoable yeah let us go over there and film more of your poverty. What's that? Yall too scared to let us come into your country? Well then now you sound a bit silly
@@xinnieliestoyou4643 In 2019, China's inbound tourists were 145 million. The number of Chinese Inbound Tourists ranks fourth in the world. You can see with your own eyes whether China is poor or rich. Do you have no money to travel to China. Why is your knowledge so poor
My sister and I did a tour by private jeep outside of Xian. The spanking new wide toll road up to the mountains had very little traffic, so it was being used by the local farmers to dry corn and other produce. We thought it was quaint and the mountains were very beautiful but obviously the rural standard of living is very modest.
What confuses me is that the Chinese government is willing to and has invested billions into trying to improve the lives of these people. They will build expressways through rural areas in places like Guizhou to try and connect them to wealthier areas and let them participate in China's expanding domestic trade. Except instead of actually connecting these villages to those roads they'd rather build 300+m (1000+ft) tall bridges to bypass all of these villages and build a slightly faster connections between 2 major cities. Chinese state media is always bragging about these expressways (which from and engineering perspective are insane) and how they'll improve the lives of the villagers who live near them, except if you actually watch footage from people driving on these roads you'll discover that these expressways only have exits for services, G roads, and major cities.
There are several entries/exits in expressway between two cities. Normally at interval of 30km-50km. Expressway is too expensive so you can not use them to connect villages. Instead, all villages are connected by cement roads (also electricity, water , cable TV). This project is called 'village-village-connnected' and started about 20 years ago. The project is huge since the village number in china is 1 million. This video proved the goal is almost achieved.
Thank you for showing this. I'm forever trying to explain how the rural China is really poor, but I NEVER get believed. This proves these people are in poverty. It's sad as the rest of the world think's they're all rich.
@@shinbi6009 You know what a lot of tree-huggers and "save the earth" types don't realize? If you really want to live green, THIS is how you do it. You build your own home. You grow and/or k**l your own food. You don't buy crap you don't need. There's no need to worry about throwing out recyclable or non-recyclable trash, because 100% of what you throw out, is recyclable or biodegradable. Problem is, nobody wants to go to this type of living. But this living, is true "save the earth" "save climate change" living.
@J B spot on 👍 How could anyone think it's okay to live on $500 USD a year!!! That's criminal to me! I can't understand that mentality, unless they feel guilty themselves 🤷 if myy grandparents had to live on that, I'd get a 2nd job just to fund them. I couldn't stand by and say, I'd rather be poor in China than America- when I'm not even American 🤦 they just assumed! It's foul. I've seen older Chinese washing their Vegetables in sewerage water and they're saying that's all they need! Why because they're also eating rat's? I'm serious, I have seen a man with a stiff rat and he was going to eat it for dinner! No way should anyone in 2022 be living in 500 USD!😡
@@shinbi6009 If you allow your grandparents to live like that in China without helping them, then you are no better than Barak Obama, whose African relatives live in poverty and he does nothing to help them, while he owns multiple mega-million dollar mansions.
As a Chinese diaspora in Nanyang, My dad's generation is super proud of China for lifting themselves out of poverty. Always saying China number 1. While never have been or contributed to the growth at all. Never ever been to rural China. Was never there when people were dying from Mao's China
You don't even have to go far to find the truth. The premier of China, Li Kechiang, said that over 600 million making less than 1000 yuan a month (less than $2000/year) and still 55 million people making less than $400/year. He claimed that China is still developing country.
I grew up an a very affluent neighborhood in California and I remember my first visit to China to stay with my wife’s family in a remote village in Guangxi and was blown away by the poverty I saw. Your video reminded me so much of this. The next couple times I went back I brought bags of candy and crispy one dollar bills and passed them out to all the children in her village. That was the most satisfying thing I ever did and seeing the smiles on their faces is one thing I’ll never forget.
maybe I am missing something, but what I would say is that, if those people are able to access good food, clean water, electricity and other necessities without major difficulty, then I don't think they can actually be called poor tbh
I am so glad you did this video to cut through some of the propaganda. If we don't start living in truth the world will never improve. I was waiting for a clip (I'll never forget from one of your videos) of a little kid drinking milk from a nursing dog. More like this please!
When I spent a year in China between 2003 and 2004, I worked with a bunch of young engineers and other people with "above average" jobs in Qingdao. Most of them made less than 3000 Dollars per year. I only got a pittance from my German employer. They "paid" me a allowance of 50 Euros per week, which means 2400 Euros for the whole year. I lived for free in the dormitory of the Chinese company I worked together with and my boss had calculated that 50 Euros per week would be enough to cover my expenses and he was right. I lived well with that money. Back then 1 Euro was pretty much exactly 10 RMB, so I had about 2000 RMB per month and all the young engineers and secretaries and low level managers I worked together with made about that much too. I remember, shortly before I went back to Germany, one of them got a job in Shanghai and everyone was super jealous of him, because he made 7000 RMB per month in that new job. That made him the big baller of the group of friends. Sure, that was almost 20 years ago, but I still find it weird to hear that most Chinese middle class city dwellers today would find it hard to believe that someone could make less than 10 000 Dollars per year.
Wow.. Small world.. That was the time of the SARS outbreak. I'm sure you remember. I spent 2 months in Shanghai in 2004 for a California high tech company, to take care of clients in Shanghai. My daily reimbursable food allowance was $50 USD or ~$380 RMB The 5 star hotel we stayed at was about $200 USD/night or ~$1,500 RMB/night It was very easy for us to use the 380 RMB/day for food. A - - It's Shanghai, downtown. Food is naturally more expensive.. B - - Foreign food is more expensive than domestic.. I remember that across the street from my hotel, was a Holiday Inn hotel. The foreigner sports bar restaurant next to the Holiday Inn, always had Germans, and the Germans stayed at the Holiday Inn. This was a peak time for Schumacher in Formula 1, and the restaurant had special buffets for each country's F1 race. I went there to watch once. It was VERY OBVIOUS I was surrounded by Germans who loved their Schumacher! Loved the Germans. I was often impressed at how often I'd bump into Germans when in China. I weighed taking an ex-patriot job and living in Shanghai for few years, but turned it down. Thank you for sharing your experiences.
@@Leshic2 Yes. The SARS outbreak had been one year before, in 2002. I remember that clearly because it was the reason for why I got that gig as an intern in the first place. The project I was working on had been supposed to happen one year earlier and I would never have heard of it, but because of SARS, it was delayed by 1 year and so I got the chance to do it, because I needed a internship for my college schedule. Also the people I worked with in China told me stories about how they had to join in on the anti-SARS measures the year before. Because the company they worked for had its headquarters right next to a freeway entrance, they were ordered by the government to set up a checkpoint where every car and truck that wanted to drive up on the freeway, had to be sprayed with disinfectant. So apparently those young office workers had to stand around in hazmat suits, spraying vehicles all day in a 3 shift system all day and night for weeks. Back then you must have lived like a king with 50 Dollars per day, even in Shanghai, hehehe. I remember when we (my boss, me and 2 engineers from another German company working on the project) first arrived in Beijing. Someone invited us to a huge feast at a fancy restaurant. We were alone in a large dining room, with 4 young female waiters standing at attention at the wall the whole time, waiting to serve us and then returning to their waiting position afterwards and there was enough food to feed at least 30 people, even though we were only 8. And at the end, the guy who had invited us paid something like 300 RMB for the whole thing. It was mind boggling. For the first 10 years or so after my return from my China adventure, I kept telling people they should consider traveling there, because of how interesting it is and how good and cheap the food is. Too bad that I can't recommend that anymore, now that China went all xenophobic and paranoid. Yes, Schumacher was very popular in Germany back then. I never was much of a racing fan myself, but my father was and I too watched a few races back in the late 90s. You know how it is when there is a internationally successful athlete from a certain country. The people from that country will suddenly get interested in that sport, but largely forget about it again after that super athlete retires. Like when cycling and the Tour de France suddenly were interesting to Americans during Lance Armstrong's heyday. It had been like that before in Germany, with tennis during the 80s, when Steffi Graf and Boris Becker were active. I remember how during my childhood in the 80s, even the regular news would report on the current positions in the tennis ranking list in between news about peace talks between Ronald Reagan and Gorbachev, almost as if the tennis ranking list were equally important, hehe. Nowadays nobody in Germany cares about tennis anymore. It is interesting how a single athlete can cause a huge fad and move a whole nation like that. No wonder they make so much money. Basically whole industries develop, flourish and then sink back into obscurity around them.
@@TrangleC Great to hear your stories! The company I worked for, had a blanket policy of $50USD/day for international travel. They never tried adjust for this country or that. Interesting experiences you had for SARS.. I remember well when I went.. It seemed like the tail end of it.. There was a technical issue with our equipment at a customer in China and they demanded better support for it to work again.. I was really reluctant to go due to SARS, but had no choice.. I remember getting my temperature checked while still on the airplane before we exited to Shanghai Airport.. Walked through a full body temperature scanner before customs.. Temperature check again, each time I arrived at the hotel, each day I was in China. Temperature checked again, each day I arrived at our local office. Temperature checked again, each day I arrived at our customer's plant.. I enjoyed myself though and was impressed, and as well, recommended friends to check it out. As well, like yourself, no longer. I'm now strongly against how China functions. When you communicated with the Chinese, was it in Chinese, German, or English?
@@Leshic2 Are you sure you were there in 2003? Could it be that it was 2002 after all? When I arrived in August of 2003, SARS was considered over and there were no special measures in place at all. I never got checked for temperature, or anything like it, not even at the airports. I communicated in English. I learned a little Mandarin, just enough to order my own food at the restaurant, tell a taxi driver the name of the street I needed to go to and read parts of the bus schedules. You know, my job was to install and test a semi autonomous laboratory, which was supposed to find out whether a new landfill would produce enough methane gas to burn and run a little power plant. While I did that, another German company that had nothing to do with what I was doing, was installing a waste water treatment plant at the same landfill. That project was run by a young English engineer who was working for that other German company. We became friends and often hung out together. He was a great talent when it came to learning languages. He had learned German within 2 years and in China, after being there for 3 or 4 months, he was already able to tell jokes in Mandarin. I was nowhere near his level, even after a year in China. In my defense, he lived in a hotel and paid the hotel staff to teach him Mandarin in the evenings, while I was living in a dormitory, surrounded by workers who didn't speak English and who would have been too tired in the evenings to help me learn their language, anyways. Sounds like you had a tough time with those SARS measures. Glad to hear that you seem to have enjoyed your time there anyways. I only saw Shanghai once for a day and didn't get much of a impression of the city, but I bet that it was way more lively and interesting than a relatively small and remote city like Qingdao.
@@TrangleC I so love hearing your stories. You might be right that it was 2002'ish.. It was so long ago.. I've lost track.. I used to say 2005, but later realized that was wrong and guessed 2003'ish, but that seems to be wrong too! HAHAHA!!... Don't ask me how old I am because I don't keep track of that too. I know the year I was born and just do the math from there. Hahaha.. It's the truth. I spent about 3yrs traveling extremely often to Taiwan, before I was moved to China. My mandarin was barely ok to get by. Definitely below conversational.. Embarrassingly bad for how much time I spent in Taiwan and China, and around Chinese speakers.. Maybe I was spoiled because I'd always be with somebody who was fluent, so when the need came up, they always spoke up for me. You're line of work falls in line with what I often suspected Germans to be in China for... Energy infrastructure.. You don't happen to know if it was German companies or consultants that helped build/design/consult the Three Gorges Dam construction?
1.3 billion. Mass area. With motorbikes, you can certainly dig out some mild poverty (still with house to live in) and muddy roads in remote areas. In the US, extreme poverty can be found in a lot of downtown areas, even in Manhattan. And that Kensington!
reminds me of back in January 2002, sitting by the river in Hue Vietnam at sunset with a beer and a German fellow tourist, watching a bicycle-pedal-powered dredge working in front of us - and feeling content with the world, we discussed how it might be staying in Vietnam where 'a good $2 a day job' like that guy could be enough I met a local girl working at a hotel desk earning US$26 a month - with that she was supporting 7 members of her extended family back in her village.
To this day I still don’t understand why my dad kept saying china is super rich now. He had gone to China about 3 to 4 times per year but every time he brought me and siblings, it’s to the rural poor area. Old grandparents waiting outside the restaurant just to get something to eat from me, toilets are unkept and shit filled to the brim. and when we went to the city. It was very underwhelming. People pushing each other out of the way to get to the trains. The old poor stole a working girl’s cup of noodle in front of me and the whole shopping mall specialise in one item.
I love to see the real country when I travel when I go to different places even in the US. Being in the places that are truly representative of the area is a real eye opener. The media, even in the US, only show the touristy and wealthy areas of the country. Thanks for this and all the other videos of China. Thumbs up.
Thank you guys. Your perspective is heartfelt and consistent. Truth often is quashed, here and abroad. Please never underestimate the value of you message. Peace.
This is why I started watching this channel years ago. Love that raw footage and that you guys take us to places we would never ever go to. I love also how you explained the thing with sending people in wrong directions 😂 that happened to me in Japan so so often too. Also the hirarchie system in asia is so well accepted and integtated into society. Thank you! Keep on
I clicked on the Like button and it flipped from 9.9K to 10K. I am really impressed with your travels and first hand experience that you are sharing and educating people on. You are amazing!
Winston and C Milk, I'd like to hear more about the Chinese attitude and manners and how things have gotten aggressive and crazy. Chinese tourists who act gross and super entitled, just the gross way citizens act that the CCP encourages.
I was a Financial Risk Manager and I have been employed all over the globe for various corporations, I have also worked for several Chinese companies and traveled extensively throughout it. They don't have homelessness, none. Why? In China if you have a mental illness then medical intervention is compulsory, opting out is not an option. Similarly if you have a drug problem then your assigned to a drug rehabilitation center and you don't get to leave unless they think your cured. Also drug dealers are executed no matter how much or how little, that's it. So if you don't abide by the laws in this culture you are incarcerated for minor offenses, that means 24/7 solitary confinement and for serious offenses it's automatic execution, they don't mess around, it's brutal if you step out of line. The other side of the coin is that China has no third world skid rows like the US, where presently a large part of the US population is now existing in third world style poverty. I have to laugh at these guys above going around showing rural backwaters in China as if its poverty stricken, its not, its basic but still a well organised agrarian society. Look much closer to home if you want to see real poverty.
The bit at the beginning you described as “average China town” looks to me, except for the writing, exactly like an average Indian town I saw while travelling through central India.
My uncle flew us out to China when he worked there, this was back in 2000, right after Honk Kong was handed to China, I recorded footage all week long and when we got back to the states all the small mini vhs that I had the footage on was gone, camera still in bag but all tapes gone. I was so mad and to this day I think when checking our bags to leave it was taken so we couldn't bring that footage back.
India has a perception issue too but its the opposite of china. If you want poverty p0rn then India comes up in most google results and only poor villages are talked about.
Yep But the fact is true Still Many towns and villages not clean,Not having proper roads, toilets,Basic infrastructure, Electricity thankfully it's changing Speedly Millions getting out of poverty stepping middle class, Government started to building All types of infrastructure from road to railway, Internet Booming here now,90% Indians now have Acces to electricity, Toilet
This situation will continue because the government doesn't invest in education in these rural areas. Many charities have to go and build schools for mountainous and poor regions in China and those are just bare bone Chinese and math courses maybe English courses in rare cases. Half of the country is almost illiterate. The other half pay tons for tutoring classes which have recently been banned but parents still go online to seek tutoring. Poor people simply will stay poor and uneducated in the foreseeable future. The wealth gap is huge so the top 0.00000001 % can flaunt their wealth oversees putting up a show.
There's definitely a benefit to keeping the majority of citizens in poverty, in certain jobs and work on maintaining their nationalism. That's everything to the CCP government. Need to keep those factories open and the rate still hasn't improved for these people. That's also why they have been changing and demoting university degrees. Many won't have a choice to work in a factory 6 days a week for 1800 kuai a month.
I had a stop over at a Chinese airport and I asked a lady working there (in an official looking uniform) where I need to go. She pointed me to a que and it turns out it was for domestic chinese people, it took me a while to realise this can't be right then I later found the right way. Comparing that to my time in Taiwan it really left a bad taste in my mouth, but if it's a loss of face thing I guess I should be more forgiving.
After 4 years of hating that opening song, I am starting to like it. Great work as always guys. You’ve really helped me understand my wife’s background and cultural habits better.
If they spent half the money they waste on trying to look good on actually trying to make their country better they wouldn't have to try to lie and hide anything.
So much of this is just deeply ingrained culture. I live near a small suburban center, here in Sydney Australia, where the train line runs right down the middle. One side is all Chinese and it's always messy, disorganized, not clean and tidy, smelly. The other side is all Korean - those stores and streets are neat and clean, organized, calm and a lot more stylish. The contrast is really remarkable!
I want to say no,it's not real,dude,you should research beijing or Shanghai's video,i think its can help u to figure out your confusing.because these people who went to Australia or japan is not high level people,because they can't earn lots of Money in chinamainland,in the other words,they are poor man in Chinese,but Korean is not,rich man will go to Canada and America Singapore
I think the important thing to take from this is that, when a country becomes "wealthy," there are only certain areas that ever experience that wealth; the poor areas will remain poor, and will look unchanged. Look at the US for example. Parts of LA and NYC are always growing, new buildings being built everyday, new restaurants being opened, etc. but when you take a look at poorer, small towns, they've been unchanged for 60 years: same houses that have always been there, same restaurants your grandparents would go to, etc. When you realize that poor areas are largely unchanged, it makes sense to see poorer parts of China looking like this because that *is* what China looked like 60 years ago. The reason why poorer areas of the US look significantly better than that (or, at least in our opinion) is because the US had more money 60 years ago and was able to build more substantial places, even with very little money: China didn't. In the US, we were able to build real roads in most places, relatively strong buildings, etc. and though they don't look great *now,* they look a lot better than the unchanged, poorer parts of China built around the same time. This has nothing to do with a country's "wealth," but the distribution of wealth, and the fact that in *all* of these years, these parts never received it.
My last girlfriend was from a small city in Fujian. I visited there three times and that was basically more than enough to last a lifetime. Besides the fact that Fujian is infamous for corruption, the daily life there is absolutely intolerable. Getting something as simple as a movie ticket was like fighting off a mob. Completely nonsensical. I was also served massively undercooked chicken and got more than a couple of stomachaches from eating there. There was no local train, subway, etc -- just limited buses and local taxis, as well as the typical private individual trying to get you to pay for a ride. The majority of the hotels weren't foreigner-friendly either, so it was a challenge to book lodging. Instead, I'd just have my girlfriend do it.
It's interesting to see what a glimpse of normal everyday China looks like. Both China and America have poverty, people always try to show the nice parts of America. The big cities, the lights, restaraunts, etc. Underneath the surface, there is still struggle. I hope oneday to be able to visit China and experience life in the country and how it compares to life in rural America.
I'm a Chinese college student and I grew up in that kind of rural area. Yes it is part of the current Chinese culture that dignity is everything. They never think about why dignity is everything. I think this is partly because of the education we received in our early ages. When we did something wrong, we might get heavily punished but never told accurately why. Never asking for the reason is our culture and this leads to a huge lack of critical thinking. The reason why it has formed into a such culture is hard to find exactly. You can say that the incapability of the Chinese government is part of the reason because we started from a feudal civilization, and the government were influenced by that culture. (But maybe the system is the main reason.) Why it has not changed may be the closed policies. In the university, gaps exist between people from different groups because of the environment we grew up. (at least according to my perception, because I have few friends.) They tend to keep away from those different from them. People like me who are kind of strange may result in being like a Japanese person who is isolated from the society. I think other Asian countries may have the same cultural issue. Actually, I do not get much knowledge about political and economic stuff until I became an adult. So some conclusions former to my above statements may be found false. But one of my most important lessons I've learned during my former life is that human need to be more rational as possible. Always ask yourself why. Think about the reason. In this way, we can escape that traditional way of thinking and find true values of life but not dignity. Some people just LIVE for dignity, or "face". By the way, because I find no people keeping the same perspective for life as I have, I reach out to the Internet. I think a person of an evolved civilization should keep these properties: 1. Rational; 2. Believe in love and peace. So I am willing to make friends with this kind of people.
I went to visit a school in yunnan province once. It was very much this vibe. as poor as it was, the kids in the school still had the same attitude city kids have against westerners, and in fact when I was presenting there was a policeman in the doorway giving me the evil eye the entire time. it was such an awkward situation. next time I'll wear pants. /s this really did happen though. Another school I visited, the kids treated me like a celebrity and everyone asked for my autograph.
I hate that about Vietnam...lying about directions or the solution to a problem. It's the same face-saving cultural problem. My default is to assume the correct answer is the exact opposite of whatever I'm told.
Honestly, for folks on a motorcycle, that goat path probably should be _regionally_ considered to be a road. Three centuries ago, that was a normal road worldwide. _THAT_ is an example of why Rome was so respected for so long- even _today_ you can still drive on some of their paved roads, and _almost noone else paved roads outside cities._
I've been attacked by Wumao soldiers because I have repeated what Premier Li Keqian said last year, that 600 million mainlanders earn barely RMB 1000 (US$140) a month. The problem is that those attackers will repeat the CCP's use of averages to hide medians. Thus, if, among 6 people, 1 person has 8 houses but the rest have only one, the average can be rounded to 4 houses, but the median is 1 house. The CCP relies on the average to hide the widespread nature of the poverty it thrives on. The billionaires of the CCP leadership pervert all such averages.
At least India are honest about their progress/wealth and poverty within and outside their cities (same can't be said for China). China probably just has better infrastructure (I've been to China, not India though).
The best directions are to just follow the overhead power lines going to somewhere else. There will always be a path/road all along the way for maintenance - the same path that was made when the power-poles were installed years ago.
I only had the pleasure of visiting China very briefly, Shanghai, back in 2016. But I still was extremely surprised about the dirt, pollution and poverty just 20 min driving from the hotel to a factory area (I had work to do there). Looked like what I would imagine rural sub-sahare Africa to be like. So yes, the Bund is beautify and all, but certainly a facade.
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Get back to posting cool videos like you used to do. Why y’all always hating on China?
I spoke to a friend of mine in China about her possible new job. She said she had to work 10 hours a day, 6 days a week at the factory for 1785 RMB a month + overtime.
That's 7 RMB per hour. This is modern slavery. So sad.
@@new-york-city How do you get to know people like that? Honest Question
You guys should do video conquering North America I think you will be pleasantly surprised on how much culture that it is in the US that doesn’t get shown to mainstream media.
Some American or someone pretending to be American on Instagram) was trying to tell me that China pulled their citizens out of poverty! My in law are from China. I told them that my in laws told me and what I learned from you!
Gotta love the people who never went to X country go to great lengths to defend it.
The economy of China is spurious at best. There's plenty of reasons for the mass exodus/divestment of companies, corporations, and manufacturers from China; and its not just due to the human rights concerns.
Primarily because doing business in China is a faustian bargain to begin with: considering that you can't sue an entity that is 51% owned by the state, and the guarenteed Intellectual Property Theft and Brand Subversion.
The WTO has been discussing the devaluation of the Yuan-RMB within the following year; due to the charges of Currency Manipulation, levied by both the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank.
Also, there's a serious likelihood of phased sanctions; as a handful of countries are drafting their own versions of America's "Global Magnitsky Act", specifically to address the CCP's criminal activities domestically and abroad.
Maybe some Chinese-borned who has gotten American citizenship. There are many of them and a good proportion of them are blind fans of China.
@Moy
The CCP invests a lot of money and effort to keep "Huaren" confused; conflating ethnicity with Nationality, even though they are separate concepts in the west.
@@China_Secret_Police "...in the west" it does not have apply to other parts ot the world
The most frustrating myth among the Tankies is "no one is poor in China." These videos are so needed.
What are tankies?
@@leonardticsay8046 Communists/Marxist-CCP fans.
Please tell me tankies is an allusion to tiananmen.
@@christopherandrew6545 yes
Basic math; if you have the same GDP as the other guy, and four times as many people, your people are only doing 25% as well as the other guy.
As a Chinese, I must say, I never saw places like this rural village in life and almost never acquaint with people from such places.
But just looking at statistics, it is no surprise that there are "40%-45%" population living in those areas as said in the video.
The poor people don't want to be shown in their real status, doing well people don't want to consider these areas part of their reality under the same name China. This mentality creates a huge gap between cognitions.
But 1.3 billions population act together is rich country
@@Don-zd6ni : The Chinese nation might be rich, but most of the individual citizens are desperately poor. The Chinese nation is not the only entity that matters; the lives of the individual citizens also matter.
@@deusexaethera bro gv them sometimes they will catch up
@@gooeystuff6726 that y gv them sometimes they can catch up
It's really not that different from other countries. Hiding the stuff that makes them look bad. Whether it's the US, Germany, France etc... They all constantly tell everyone "we are rich countries"! But the poverty is usually ignored.
Good episode. I miss the old days before you guys got chased out. It was a mistake, since by showing an honest portrait, you were actually great ambassadors for China. These are beautiful lands and beautiful people. They screwed up.
Who would of thought, brutal communist dictatorships are not good for people, just the elites.
@@TheBelrick communism has got to be the most ironic ideology ever.
@@captainalex157 It is, an ideology that enslaves people by encouraging them to enslave themselves.
@i'm the king and Chinese government doesn't use this gdp for betterment of such poor and people living in such conditions but uses the money to capture more countries and expand their territory, atleast worry about your own people feed them first before capturing more areas and hence more people.
making them slave torturing them is what they do if someone resists. As they did in Tibet then now in Xinjiang.
hell they don't even really care about people living in their villages.
I come from a place very similar to the one shown in the video, and I would like to point out that the Chinese government's elimination of absolute poverty refers to guaranteeing the most basic "food, clothing, shelter and transportation (food, clothing and housing are guaranteed)" for everyone; in 2019, the government premier Li Keqiang pointed out in his government work report to the nation that 600 million people in China have a per capita income is less than 2,000 yuan (equivalent to $310). So that's why the Chinese government keeps calling itself a developing country. I don't know the reason why you were kicked out, but I think the most likely reason is political issues.
Thank you for sharing the truths about China! There is a Chinese saying「沒有比較，就沒有傷害」(roughly translate to:“comparison makes pain”) I think that’s called denial. Acknowledgment of reality is the first step towards improving it…. I was born and raised in a middle class family in capital city of a average Chinese province. Before I move to USA, my dad took me to visit a close by village to visit a friend just a little outside of the boundaries of city life as I knew. I was shocked to see how poor people were compare to the life I had. A total eye opening experience. it’s saddens me to see nothing changed in these area of China two decades later…
Sadly, nothing will change as long as the EVIL CCP remains in control!!
Improving the lot of a nation takes generations. My family were poor farm workers four generations ago. Too many were lost in wars (fighting Germans for the ungrateful French) but that is another story. Yet each and every year as a family we became very slightly, ever so little, a little bit wealthier. Now we don’t have to worry too much about the future. The same should happen in China. There is no quick fix but hopefully education, healthcare and affordable food becomes is a reality for everyone before long.
China will collapse into stone age very soon. Can't wait for it😎
More power to you! You are the start change
slightly more accurate translation: With no comparison, there comes no pain
I admire Chinese history and culture but “face” culture is probably the biggest turn off for me, ever. I’m tolerant of all sorts of weird habits and traditions, people will be different. But the whole face concept is sickening to me.
Yeah, pride comes before a fall.
“Saving face” was invented by the Chinese. It’s their way of not accepting any responsibility for their actions. Heaven forbid should someone be chastised for doing wrong!
China will never gain respect until face culture is eradicated. It's just that simple. Instead they take no responsibility and have the nerve to demand apologies from others. What a joke.
It's the same in a few other South East Asian countries like Thailand.
Was it also this bad when KMT ruled China?
Ever since I started reading chinese webnovels, I've found that these videos really help put what I'm reading into context. For instance I've noticed almost every unlimited flow novel has at least one arc set in an underdeveloped rural village. The way that they're described matches pretty closely with what you're talking about here! I will resist the urge to speculate on what this suggests about China's collective subconscience.
Chinese people basically have Industrial Revolution-era mindset.
Where can I read these novels? What’s an unlimited flow novel?
Are these available in English? Where could I find these novels? I'm interested to branch out in my reading :)
I have noticed from the manhuas I read a decided pattern in plot themes. A social nobody, commonly labeled "trash" who by some means rises above his impoverished circumstances, to repay any and all personal grudges and social sneers- and of course gets the women. The thing is while there is a sense that the system has been unfair to HIM, there is seldom any greater sense from the MC that the system itself needs to change. Just that he is now happy to have the means and power to avenge himself and protect the few people he cares about. And while in the beginning the MC's payback is often justified against former bullies, I have often found myself troubled by the fact that after the initial arc, the moment one looks at the MC's actions from any perspective other than the biased pro-MC POV, there isn't really all that much to differentiate his actions from the bullies- he is beating up people because he can and thinks he is right to because they made him angry for some reason (often rather petty ones as the author ran out of new ideas).
The problem with these stories is that they are such obvious rinse and repeats of the same basic idea, not just throughout the manhua, but in the various manhuas that it all blurs. They are there to fulfill the fantasy of a nobody becoming somebody and getting back at anyone who ever even remotely looked down on them. There is little plot besides that, or rather the plot is just a vehicle for that. These stories don't critique the system (of course), not even when it's in a alternate historical fantasy setting, but rather promise the MC wealth and social success within it.
While I didn't want to ascribe too much to a single genre, the lack of variance of the same basic theme in so many manhuas does attest for there being enough of target market for it- and the need for it. Just like the female romantic equivalent rags to riches payback manhuas. Modern fictional opium for the masses who can only fantasize about it?
Hm
You drive one hour from any big city of China, you end up being in a place like this.
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Rural Chinese guy living in a hut without electric power at the end of a dirt road -"I'm so tired of this, I want to live in a nice apartment in town".
Urban US guy living in a nice apartment in a town: -"I'm so tired of this, I want to live in a off grid cabin at the end of a long dirt road".😁
Maybe there should be some sort of citizen exchange program. Lol
It does take all types to make a world, and satisfaction, along with gratitude, are not easy to find.
It's a "Grass is always greener at the other side" mentality.
If you've been through both, you'll be able to seek out a weighted decision with pros and cons.
@@dodieodie498 Well, my posting in this forum is more then a bit glib, I do realize this fact since the Chinese guy I described have little to no choice when it comes to his living arrangements and his annual income. It's just that I watch several off grid channels here on RUclips, and the way many Chinese people are forced to live in the countryside (in small, simple houses without any municipal services, raising goats and chickens and growing much of their own food) is the dream life for many westerners. The BIG difference is they would do so out of choice, and with better equipment and opportunities (such as having a "living off grid" channel on RUclips...). And that they can always choose to opt out and go back to their old life if they decide they think it's too hard and that they don't like living that way any more. It was just the juxtaposition between this particular video (excellent work by the guys as always) to the videos made by off grid enthusiasts, that are uploaded to the same platform that struck me as kind of funny, but in reality it's not funny at all of course...
@@akersjon278 Yes. I understand. I have watched those videos as well. There is a big difference between living as a minimalist by choice and basically being forced to do it because it's the only option. Or at least the only one you know. I was thinking about a video I saw on "coffin" renters in Hong Kong, and how that life would compare to rural China. Then you can compare these folks to people in Burundi or people living in the back back backwoods of the U.S. People living a certain way because it's the way their families have always lived or out of choice or because it's all they know. And who is to say which are the most content and why when you don't live as they do. I keep thinking that there is probably a very good "middle". That's what I'm looking for.
My Brazilian friend here in UK was saying similar. When we walked past stables and how horses are for the poor and farmers there and the wealthy here. The contrasting ideals are intriguing. The grass is greener and all, on this particular thing. Suggests more about abject lack of balance, in any society, still. Along with the impacts that has on individuals. Seemingly, being a wealthy farmer, globally, appears the happiest way to live.
I think I already commented on one of your videos Winston, but when I was going to China when I was 7 to adopt my sister.(I was the person who was adopted from yunnan) when we went to guangzhou to adopt her it was really hot and humid, we got stuck in a store for an hour since there was a monsoon outside all of the sudden. I vaguely remember praying at one of the many Buddhist temples and burning incense, just to learn I was praying/wishing the wrong way😆. I love that your debunking China and showing people that China has not conquered poverty, because it bring awareness to the problem that many people are very impoverished in China. Stay awesome Winston and C milk.
Pei macblane, since you and your sister are from Yunnan and Guangzhou, do you know if guys belong to the Miao tribe? I'm just curious.
@@shinbi6009 Yes, most countries have a fair amount of poorer people. Even in Western Europe where we're probably leading in social aids policy and government help for lower classes. But the difference is that no government except the CCP claims that they solved that issue.
No I do not know much about my birth place
Shin Bi you must resonate with a lot of what Winston and C milk are saying
I don’t really know much of my birth place, I live right now with what many people would call “westerners”. One is Irish the other is Italian, that’s why my last name is MacBlane.
As an American-born-Chinese mostly raised in a provincial capital and now studying overseas again, I almost forgot the fact that my parents were born and raised in villages just like this, and were the lucky ones who made it out of the hills and saw the world.
Thank you for this video. Can't believe a few footage reminds me of the time lying in a car's back seats waiting to meet my grandparents.
tons of unfilled innovation jobs in china. the poor are weak seeds. tons of poor people in usa. for minorities to do well in usa, they need to attack their own kind.
china's weak people came from the great wall of china. after it is built, human nature show ---> everyone feels safe from northern "barbarians" ---> most people in china want easy life ---> the survival of the weak, adopting buddhism and socialism ---> practice groupism, taking advantage of those who work hard, grabbing the fruit of their hard work ---> they know their action (called theft) is wrong ---> they promote atheism ---> NO God ---> NO accountability ---> so they wish.
the great wall of china did a lot of damage to china. it brings out the human nature's laziness. now the west refuse to help china ---> massive unemployment in china ---> people in china need to take birth controls.
Lies again? Vigrx Plus
I must say some of the most fun i have had in China have been in these areas with my wife when we travelled. People there are super friendly, always someone whom wants to talk, saw a rural show onces and every single actor whom went on stage called me out for a short chat before starting. even once during new year we arrived alittle late to a dragon dance in one of the towns and the guy whom runs the town got the dancers back together to do it again.
Me too. In working-class cities the people were lovely. Kind and open and inquisitive. Often on the street, I would be asked if I was Christian? I am but I came across many who were inquisitive about religion. I always felt safe. No way I can go back now.
@Naikomi Thanks for the information Naikomi, If a regime is afraid of religious freedom, shows insecurity. Hopefully one day all the people of the PRC are free of oppression and able to make up their own minds about most things, More importantly, they have access to the whole internet. Open their minds to the whole world. We need to all get along. Very little children are a joy to watch. They all get along.
Chinese people can be lovely - pity about their corrupt authoritarian government
Villagers and town people one of nice, simplistic people anywhere in the world City people always be like narcissistic
Amazing story. That’s so cool they got the dancers back together to do dance again.
At the end there seriously rings true for me. When I was living there, the disconnect between the state spewed headlines about all the great progress China has made, and how great everything is and how there are no problems and actually China is #1 in green energy production... Meanwhile, the smog is so thick you can't see the sun (or it looks like a faint reddish-pink dot), the idea of food safety is non-existent, and you drive a whole hour outside of Beijing and what does it look like? It looks EXACTLY like what you guys showed in this video. Hell, places WITHIN Beijing look like this video (and you even showed it!).
Some days it was hard to tell which quadrant of the sky the sun was in.
So the century of humiliation was both better and had nothing to do with current problems? There is no economic growth in China? It didn't go from the richest nation on earth before the invasions to one of the poorest? It didn't then go back to being the richest today? Enough lies, just admit that you hate the Chinese for becoming independent and prosperous.
@@yaelz6043 it’s interesting how the ethnic Chinese in Taiwan have prospered, while most Chinese in China have not….
@@stevemcgowen first of all they have and no thanks to the West that robbed them for over a century.
Second you know full well that Taiwan stole all of China's gold. Literally trillions stolen. It was then given high end technology to become a high income economy. It's all just theft and politics, at the end of the day you just steal and give hand outs to your favourite pets.
@@yaelz6043 yall just mad that Taiwan #1 qq
You guys make me proud, thank you so much for talking to us about things the same way you'd hear from a friend and not blatant propaganda. You guys rock and are super brave!
These guys are racist, they hate china and will only show the bad sides of china bro
As a Chinese I would’ve said the exact same things as you guys did, great summary.
However, China as a whole is still a power to be reckoned with, I hope people don’t get the idea that since so many people are still impoverished in China, China or the CCP is easy to defeat when we come to that day. People have to understand how much CCP is willing to let the Chinese people suffer in order to come out victorious.
That is the absolute truth
We won't clean this sh*t. We don't care to defeat this sh*t. We only care to protect ourselves, our border.
It's your nation, your motherland. Try to protect it, build it once in a while. If you can't, then you're deserve to be poor.
Communism 101.
True
These guys are talking about the economy, not the military. Nobody wants to go to war with China. However, unprovoked attacks on countries that didn’t attack you cannot be tolerated. Putin the maniac is going to be tough to deal with because he really doesn’t give a shit about his people. Why else would he threaten to use Nuclear Weapons. He has to realize it would result in the destruction of Russia when the nukes are flying. He only cares about things that threaten his power. He is a modern day Hitler as far as I am concerned.
Love ADV China!! Hope C-Milk is recovering at a record pace!!
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What happened to C-Milk?
@@LV-426... had spinal surgery...he was recovering well, he just wasn't allowed to sit for the podcast.
It's a shame because the countryside itself looks so beautiful! If it was properly looked after, and the people had access to a more developed lifestyle (if they choose so), then the Chinese countryside could really be something special. Something the nation can be proud of, rather than sweep under a rug.
Exactly, China could have their countryside developed without the need of building urban cities if they care about the poor citizens. I guess a good example would be countries like Switzerland or Finland where the rural areas are very developed and the farmers have a very high income compared to other countries.
@@martiddy you also need to consider when and in which condition they started from
Think and do the research before you conclude, guys. I grew up in a village in China and I am familiar with the surroundings in the video. These are easy to be found on Chinese TIKTOK, I don't understand the so-called swipe up. Chinese people are free to upload any footage of their villages and share it with everyone public. Also, when these two dudes point at the shack in the video, talking about living conditions bad as such, the fact is, that thing is a shack for stocks!!!!! Also, we, never claimed our country as a developed country, either officially or from the viewpoint of individuals, we know that we are a developing country, what the hell are you talking about?!
You are still looking at China with the ideological system of the West, and even in the comments you say how poor this village is. Have you seen how much we spent on rural construction? Why don't you come over to help us improve? Five years ago I visited one of the poorest villages in China and could only eat one sweet potato per meal. Now the government guarantees that residents have meat and vegetables in their meals. Twenty years ago, many Chinese villagers could not say that they were fully fed. now what? You have no experience of poverty and hunger, so give us whatever you want. Since the beginning of the 21st century, the Chinese government has spent more than billions of dollars on the network, water supply, electricity, education, agriculture, and rural construction. These are things that you will not evaluate.
@Peter D What are you talking about?难道你不知道中国的计划生育政策与生活过本过高已经开始让中国人口负增长了吗？
It’s NOT communism vs capitalism; it’s freedom of self determination vs authoritarian control. People should be free to prosper and determine their lives without restriction, and people need to be protected from malicious power structures. We need balance. We need to take care of ourselves AND our fellow humans
Well it's all those things. Not communism vs capitalism but communism vs democracy definitely. Where the leaders a working for your vote if the citizens find no life improvement you ain't getting voted for. Now this is when democracy works, obviously there are corrupt democracies where this doesn't work. But I think we've all read animal farm. Communism is an excuse to rule with corruption and lies, forcing poverty and famine (and everything else bad that comes with it) all in the name of nationalism.
in my experience there are only two types of Communism authoritarian and anarchist
anarchists are well most don't even know what there talking about mostly there just anti government and can't be bothered to give an thought out alternative
the authoritarian ones tell you there for the people but your not allowed to disagree with them
@@robspunk democracy is gay. It leads to the majority just voting themselves the minorities money and property which tends to end up in a Marxist government. Only net tax payers should vote
well said
What freedom of self determination? Why is the US is banning abortion rights?
I live in a "tier 2" city and while there are no mountains within the city, there are still plenty of people living in stone shacks with metal roofs and no insulation within the outer rings of the city. You head 30-60 minutes outside of the immediate city and you see this exact kind of scenery: very rustic and undeveloped infrastructure, agricultural lifestyle, as well as the ever-outward creeping development of the city as new construction sites dot the roadside.
I REMEMBER YOUUUUU!!!!
The "non-entities" that the spoiled upper class would not bother talking to are the real heart and soul of a country. "Salt of the earth." The ordinary folks who get by and just deal with their existence and survive. Go back a couple of generations in my family, on either side, and that covers every one of them. They made do and lived and didn't give two shits for the people who looked down their nose at them.
many of the people were removed from their positions of university professors, teachers etc were forcefully moved to the poorer rural areas when the purges happened under Mao
@@TerrenceBosworth No, really? Honest? No kidding? Your comment has nothing to do with what I said; it is partially correct or at least only partially what happened, since many of them were just murdered and not sent where they could still exist as a threat; and those type of events are extremely elementary and well-known bits of information.
@@GradyGillis i was referring to people I know. My experience is limited. I know about the purges and brutality, starvation causing 50 to 80 million.
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I have traveled independently in China in June 2019. I saw both the urban version, and the rural version. You are pretty correct regarding the rural part. I can fully relate to this.
Every country has a impoverished area, even here in the United States.
To say the least!
A wealthy nation is one where your adult population have employment that allows them to have a home, food, clothing, healthcare and sufficient income to save for rainy days and, very importantly, a pension. A prosperous nation is one where only one person in a family works and they can afford to have children who are educated.
not one person works, but one person needs to work
Pensions are unsustainable. Western pensions are only good for Doctors and P0liticians.
@@zerohero5753 meanwhile the ccp gives nothing to its own people and encourages them to starve
@ We have always needed to work. In times past we hunted, farmed, fished, worked metal, built homes, made clothes etc. It is no different today.
@@zerohero5753 Wrong. Those with properly funded occupational schemes have pensions as do those who make their own private arrangements.They are totally sustainable but they require savings to be made for your entire working life.
My Chinese students tell me about this. Its much worse than you are saying. They say the state can't get teachers or medical people to go to the rural areas so the children are not getting educated and the health treatments are medieval.
There are such poor places, but not as many as homeless people in a city in the United States.
I've had Chinese and Japanese students live with me for 2 decades. The Chinese students come with beliefs that the U.S. has simply lied about history. They believe the Tienanmen Square massacre was filmed in Hollywood. After a month or so, they begin to realize what has happened to them. They watch RUclips videos of Tienanmen Square students screaming (for example) and they begin to realize Hollywood cannot replicate these accents, dialects and phrasing - they realize it's not fake. I've had at least 10 students over the years in my living room pulling on their hair (literally, I guess it's a thing in their culture) and saying things like, "I've been so brainwashed!" Through tears, they often tell me they are scared to go back because they cannot talk about what they now know. It's a horrible position these people are put in by the Communist government.
Man really sad hope those good souls Live well in china
@@davidbilla8063 My experience is most of the Chinese people aren't bad people; they're just trapped in a bad system.
@@blessedwithchallenges9917 many people Stay Quiet Do their work without any controversy and goes back to China because their parents will become Hostage to CCP if they go against china i seen many news about Chinese students who protested in Australia Threatened by CCP by using family card
@@davidbilla8063 I had a student who became a Christian while living with my family. When he returned to China we didn't hear from him for 3 years. Then we got an email from him apologizing. He said he was arrested when he got off the plane and interrogated for 3 days. He said his punishment was very light - they took his internet access away for 3 years. He also said, "God bless you and your family", at the end of the email. I was scared for him since I knew it was possible the CCP was reading his emails. It's now been about 12 years and we've never heard from him again besides that one email.
@@blessedwithchallenges9917 Damn!
Only those who have been there know poverty is true. The government keeps these people in a permanent cycle of poverty.
Joseph Smith No way out cuz poor people are all trap in the rural areas no roads no transportation for them to get out.
I made a comment on a video (beautiful area) Guiyang. City surrounded by Forests and a waterfall. I said it was breathtaking but I couldn't go as I don't want to support the regime , CCP. Well the abuse I got back was unreal. They all insist that the CCP has ended poverty, and defended the one child policy. Over 100 replies to me. One said... She would drown if enough Chinese spat on her ! Lovely eh ? ...
Spent three weeks in China working in ChengDu.
During the off days, I would walk in one direction from the hotel, and then walk back.
The difference was brutal even 15 years ago.
Some people driving Land Rovers, while other were on a old bike wearing clothes that looked 15 year old.
I am surprised that the regime has lasted as long as it has.
I was expecting an overthrow of the government even back than.
Why do the people with nothing still support the government ?
They don't have guns.
391 million Chinese have signed up for tuidang(exit the party) movement that began 17 years ago despite internet censorship. I think it's coming soon. It's just not possible for one political party to hold power for over 80 years and CCP has been in power for 73 years as of 2022. If they manage to get rid of the CCP, there's nothing they wouldn't be able to achieve. We might actually have to worry about that lol
@@saint_matthias great moniker!
EZ, they don't need our support.
The Chinese are very satisfied with the government. If an ordinary Chinese chooses to live in the United States or in China, more than 90% of ordinary people choose to live in China. . However, rich people are willing to live in America. Because even if you kill people in America, money can solve any problem, even be the president of the United States, but not in China. . All people in China are equal.
I live in a small city in China, we have tall buildings on our side, but the suburbs are mostly factories and rural areas. I live in an apartment. The community we live in has more than 20 buildings, each building has 17 floors, and it is already a relatively remote place. There are indeed some areas in China like the one in the video, but not much, not as exaggerated as 45%, at most one tenth, and the number is getting smaller and smaller
I lived in Chengdu and attended Chengdu university, this is exactly how the town just outside the gate of the university looked like, we used to go there after the lessons were over all the time.
China is poor. It's frustrating how people think China is at or near the levels of wealth and quality of life as neighboring South Korea or Japan. China has a long way to go.
They will never get there.
A healthy, vibrant and strong population is the last thing that a Communist Govt' can tolerate.
They tend to want more than the Communist system can ever provide.
That's how successful their propaganda campaigns have been, that even politicians "believe the hype" so to speak. Yet all one has to do is just check the conversion rates, or why China is kept afloat by western subsidies.
Doesn't matter! China has the power, She can plunder other countries resources to feed China's poor. Belt and road initiative ,digital Yuan all the way coming up.
@@victorye7150
Which is exactly why CCP's unnecessarily bellicose and unfortunately belligerent behavior will result in binding UN Resolutions.
This is exactly how the DPRK got themselves isolated.
....they refused to play nice with others.
@@David_Lo_Pan UN means nothing. China is the new world order.
I've had a few friends who lived in china for a year teaching English who would make fun of me if I mentioned poorer areas of china and send me photos of their wealthy foreign neighborhood in Shanghai.
China really messes with the heads of some tourists.
*What you have to understand at any time the phones can be taken off them for one reason or another and their messages checked I imagine they said what they needed to*
Then you can go to China. to see
@@AllAboutRUclipsrs13 they're stateside now and still somehow Pro CCP, but I feel it.
@@sosoable yeah let us go over there and film more of your poverty. What's that? Yall too scared to let us come into your country? Well then now you sound a bit silly
@@xinnieliestoyou4643 In 2019, China's inbound tourists were 145 million. The number of Chinese Inbound Tourists ranks fourth in the world. You can see with your own eyes whether China is poor or rich. Do you have no money to travel to China. Why is your knowledge so poor
That looks eerily similar to south india . Most provinces are closer in pci PPP as well
My sister and I did a tour by private jeep outside of Xian. The spanking new wide toll road up to the mountains had very little traffic, so it was being used by the local farmers to dry corn and other produce. We thought it was quaint and the mountains were very beautiful but obviously the rural standard of living is very modest.
Awesome video as always, get well very soon C-Milk, from your spinal surgery 🔥🙏
Agreed. And keep up the good work guys. 😎
As soon as I saw the opening clip: I was like: never ask for directions in china 😂
They do that in Mexico, too. They'll give you wrong directions if they don't know.
What confuses me is that the Chinese government is willing to and has invested billions into trying to improve the lives of these people. They will build expressways through rural areas in places like Guizhou to try and connect them to wealthier areas and let them participate in China's expanding domestic trade.
Except instead of actually connecting these villages to those roads they'd rather build 300+m (1000+ft) tall bridges to bypass all of these villages and build a slightly faster connections between 2 major cities.
Chinese state media is always bragging about these expressways (which from and engineering perspective are insane) and how they'll improve the lives of the villagers who live near them, except if you actually watch footage from people driving on these roads you'll discover that these expressways only have exits for services, G roads, and major cities.
There are several entries/exits in expressway between two cities. Normally at interval of 30km-50km. Expressway is too expensive so you can not use them to connect villages. Instead, all villages are connected by cement roads (also electricity, water , cable TV). This project is called 'village-village-connnected' and started about 20 years ago. The project is huge since the village number in china is 1 million. This video proved the goal is almost achieved.
Wow many of the poor village roads are paved!
Thank you for showing this. I'm forever trying to explain how the rural China is really poor, but I NEVER get believed. This proves these people are in poverty. It's sad as the rest of the world think's they're all rich.
Video explains so much.
@@shinbi6009 You know what a lot of tree-huggers and "save the earth" types don't realize?
If you really want to live green,
THIS is how you do it.
You build your own home.
You grow and/or k**l your own food.
You don't buy crap you don't need.
There's no need to worry about throwing out recyclable or non-recyclable trash,
because 100% of what you throw out, is recyclable or biodegradable.
Problem is,
nobody wants to go to this type of living.
But this living,
is true "save the earth" "save climate change" living.
@J B spot on 👍 How could anyone think it's okay to live on $500 USD a year!!! That's criminal to me! I can't understand that mentality, unless they feel guilty themselves 🤷 if myy grandparents had to live on that, I'd get a 2nd job just to fund them. I couldn't stand by and say, I'd rather be poor in China than America- when I'm not even American 🤦 they just assumed! It's foul. I've seen older Chinese washing their Vegetables in sewerage water and they're saying that's all they need! Why because they're also eating rat's? I'm serious, I have seen a man with a stiff rat and he was going to eat it for dinner! No way should anyone in 2022 be living in 500 USD!😡
Pretty much looks like what I expected.
@@shinbi6009 If you allow your grandparents to live like that in China without helping them, then you are no better than Barak Obama, whose African relatives live in poverty and he does nothing to help them, while he owns multiple mega-million dollar mansions.
Happy 2-22-22 Day guys!
Wonder if in 2-22-2222 someone else will celebrate a date of repetitive numbers in a comment section?😏
As a Chinese diaspora in Nanyang, My dad's generation is super proud of China for lifting themselves out of poverty. Always saying China number 1. While never have been or contributed to the growth at all. Never ever been to rural China. Was never there when people were dying from Mao's China
Blind nationalism
You don't even have to go far to find the truth. The premier of China, Li Kechiang, said that over 600 million making less than 1000 yuan a month (less than $2000/year) and still 55 million people making less than $400/year. He claimed that China is still developing country.
I remember that video clip.
Love and respect the work you both do. Thank you!
Great video. Always love to tune in and boost the algorithm too. Thx for your work👍
I grew up an a very affluent neighborhood in California and I remember my first visit to China to stay with my wife’s family in a remote village in Guangxi and was blown away by the poverty I saw. Your video reminded me so much of this. The next couple times I went back I brought bags of candy and crispy one dollar bills and passed them out to all the children in her village. That was the most satisfying thing I ever did and seeing the smiles on their faces is one thing I’ll never forget.
a bit like how we behave when the government hands out vouchers lol
maybe I am missing something, but what I would say is that, if those people are able to access good food, clean water, electricity and other necessities without major difficulty, then I don't think they can actually be called poor tbh
Technically yes, but they don't have good access to these stuff
I am so glad you did this video to cut through some of the propaganda. If we don't start living in truth the world will never improve. I was waiting for a clip (I'll never forget from one of your videos) of a little kid drinking milk from a nursing dog.
More like this please!
The world will never improve. That's all you need to say.
When I spent a year in China between 2003 and 2004, I worked with a bunch of young engineers and other people with "above average" jobs in Qingdao. Most of them made less than 3000 Dollars per year. I only got a pittance from my German employer. They "paid" me a allowance of 50 Euros per week, which means 2400 Euros for the whole year. I lived for free in the dormitory of the Chinese company I worked together with and my boss had calculated that 50 Euros per week would be enough to cover my expenses and he was right.
I lived well with that money.
Back then 1 Euro was pretty much exactly 10 RMB, so I had about 2000 RMB per month and all the young engineers and secretaries and low level managers I worked together with made about that much too.
I remember, shortly before I went back to Germany, one of them got a job in Shanghai and everyone was super jealous of him, because he made 7000 RMB per month in that new job. That made him the big baller of the group of friends.
Sure, that was almost 20 years ago, but I still find it weird to hear that most Chinese middle class city dwellers today would find it hard to believe that someone could make less than 10 000 Dollars per year.
Wow.. Small world..
That was the time of the SARS outbreak. I'm sure you remember.
I spent 2 months in Shanghai in 2004 for a California high tech company, to take care of clients in Shanghai.
My daily reimbursable food allowance was $50 USD or ~$380 RMB
The 5 star hotel we stayed at was about $200 USD/night or ~$1,500 RMB/night
It was very easy for us to use the 380 RMB/day for food.
A - - It's Shanghai, downtown. Food is naturally more expensive..
B - - Foreign food is more expensive than domestic..
I remember that across the street from my hotel, was a Holiday Inn hotel.
The foreigner sports bar restaurant next to the Holiday Inn, always had Germans, and the Germans stayed at the Holiday Inn.
This was a peak time for Schumacher in Formula 1, and the restaurant had special buffets for each country's F1 race.
I went there to watch once.
It was VERY OBVIOUS I was surrounded by Germans who loved their Schumacher!
Loved the Germans.
I was often impressed at how often I'd bump into Germans when in China.
I weighed taking an ex-patriot job and living in Shanghai for few years, but turned it down.
Thank you for sharing your experiences.
@@Leshic2 Yes. The SARS outbreak had been one year before, in 2002. I remember that clearly because it was the reason for why I got that gig as an intern in the first place. The project I was working on had been supposed to happen one year earlier and I would never have heard of it, but because of SARS, it was delayed by 1 year and so I got the chance to do it, because I needed a internship for my college schedule.
Also the people I worked with in China told me stories about how they had to join in on the anti-SARS measures the year before. Because the company they worked for had its headquarters right next to a freeway entrance, they were ordered by the government to set up a checkpoint where every car and truck that wanted to drive up on the freeway, had to be sprayed with disinfectant. So apparently those young office workers had to stand around in hazmat suits, spraying vehicles all day in a 3 shift system all day and night for weeks.
Back then you must have lived like a king with 50 Dollars per day, even in Shanghai, hehehe.
I remember when we (my boss, me and 2 engineers from another German company working on the project) first arrived in Beijing.
Someone invited us to a huge feast at a fancy restaurant. We were alone in a large dining room, with 4 young female waiters standing at attention at the wall the whole time, waiting to serve us and then returning to their waiting position afterwards and there was enough food to feed at least 30 people, even though we were only 8.
And at the end, the guy who had invited us paid something like 300 RMB for the whole thing.
It was mind boggling.
For the first 10 years or so after my return from my China adventure, I kept telling people they should consider traveling there, because of how interesting it is and how good and cheap the food is.
Too bad that I can't recommend that anymore, now that China went all xenophobic and paranoid.
Yes, Schumacher was very popular in Germany back then. I never was much of a racing fan myself, but my father was and I too watched a few races back in the late 90s.
You know how it is when there is a internationally successful athlete from a certain country. The people from that country will suddenly get interested in that sport, but largely forget about it again after that super athlete retires.
Like when cycling and the Tour de France suddenly were interesting to Americans during Lance Armstrong's heyday.
It had been like that before in Germany, with tennis during the 80s, when Steffi Graf and Boris Becker were active. I remember how during my childhood in the 80s, even the regular news would report on the current positions in the tennis ranking list in between news about peace talks between Ronald Reagan and Gorbachev, almost as if the tennis ranking list were equally important, hehe. Nowadays nobody in Germany cares about tennis anymore.
It is interesting how a single athlete can cause a huge fad and move a whole nation like that. No wonder they make so much money. Basically whole industries develop, flourish and then sink back into obscurity around them.
@@TrangleC Great to hear your stories!
The company I worked for, had a blanket policy of $50USD/day for international travel. They never tried adjust for this country or that.
Interesting experiences you had for SARS..
I remember well when I went..
It seemed like the tail end of it..
There was a technical issue with our equipment at a customer in China and they demanded better support for it to work again..
I was really reluctant to go due to SARS, but had no choice..
I remember getting my temperature checked while still on the airplane before we exited to Shanghai Airport..
Walked through a full body temperature scanner before customs..
Temperature check again, each time I arrived at the hotel, each day I was in China.
Temperature checked again, each day I arrived at our local office.
Temperature checked again, each day I arrived at our customer's plant..
I enjoyed myself though and was impressed, and as well, recommended friends to check it out.
As well, like yourself, no longer. I'm now strongly against how China functions.
When you communicated with the Chinese, was it in Chinese, German, or English?
@@Leshic2 Are you sure you were there in 2003? Could it be that it was 2002 after all?
When I arrived in August of 2003, SARS was considered over and there were no special measures in place at all. I never got checked for temperature, or anything like it, not even at the airports.
I communicated in English. I learned a little Mandarin, just enough to order my own food at the restaurant, tell a taxi driver the name of the street I needed to go to and read parts of the bus schedules.
You know, my job was to install and test a semi autonomous laboratory, which was supposed to find out whether a new landfill would produce enough methane gas to burn and run a little power plant.
While I did that, another German company that had nothing to do with what I was doing, was installing a waste water treatment plant at the same landfill.
That project was run by a young English engineer who was working for that other German company. We became friends and often hung out together.
He was a great talent when it came to learning languages. He had learned German within 2 years and in China, after being there for 3 or 4 months, he was already able to tell jokes in Mandarin.
I was nowhere near his level, even after a year in China.
In my defense, he lived in a hotel and paid the hotel staff to teach him Mandarin in the evenings, while I was living in a dormitory, surrounded by workers who didn't speak English and who would have been too tired in the evenings to help me learn their language, anyways.
Sounds like you had a tough time with those SARS measures. Glad to hear that you seem to have enjoyed your time there anyways.
I only saw Shanghai once for a day and didn't get much of a impression of the city, but I bet that it was way more lively and interesting than a relatively small and remote city like Qingdao.
@@TrangleC I so love hearing your stories.
You might be right that it was 2002'ish..
It was so long ago.. I've lost track.. I used to say 2005, but later realized that was wrong and guessed 2003'ish, but that seems to be wrong too! HAHAHA!!...
Don't ask me how old I am because I don't keep track of that too. I know the year I was born and just do the math from there. Hahaha.. It's the truth.
I spent about 3yrs traveling extremely often to Taiwan, before I was moved to China.
My mandarin was barely ok to get by.
Definitely below conversational..
Embarrassingly bad for how much time I spent in Taiwan and China, and around Chinese speakers.. Maybe I was spoiled because I'd always be with somebody who was fluent, so when the need came up, they always spoke up for me.
You're line of work falls in line with what I often suspected Germans to be in China for...
Energy infrastructure..
You don't happen to know if it was German companies or consultants that helped build/design/consult the Three Gorges Dam construction?
1.3 billion. Mass area. With motorbikes, you can certainly dig out some mild poverty (still with house to live in) and muddy roads in remote areas. In the US, extreme poverty can be found in a lot of downtown areas, even in Manhattan. And that Kensington!
I remember Chinese Premier Li Keqiang quoting back in May 2020 that, "600 million people in China still earn less than 1000 CNY(158 USD) per month"
reminds me of back in January 2002, sitting by the river in Hue Vietnam at sunset with a beer and a German fellow tourist, watching a bicycle-pedal-powered dredge working in front of us - and feeling content with the world, we discussed how it might be staying in Vietnam where 'a good $2 a day job' like that guy could be enough
I met a local girl working at a hotel desk earning US$26 a month - with that she was supporting 7 members of her extended family back in her village.
To this day I still don’t understand why my dad kept saying china is super rich now. He had gone to China about 3 to 4 times per year but every time he brought me and siblings, it’s to the rural poor area. Old grandparents waiting outside the restaurant just to get something to eat from me, toilets are unkept and shit filled to the brim.
and when we went to the city. It was very underwhelming. People pushing each other out of the way to get to the trains. The old poor stole a working girl’s cup of noodle in front of me and the whole shopping mall specialise in one item.
It looks much better than India
@@sosoable and?
@@MrChopsticks1-x6g Better than the world's largest democracy
@@sosoable well, I’m not from the worlds largest democracy. And your point is?
@@sosoable you can say ccp china is better than whatever but it will never be as good as Taiwan
I love to see the real country when I travel when I go to different places even in the US. Being in the places that are truly representative of the area is a real eye opener. The media, even in the US, only show the touristy and wealthy areas of the country. Thanks for this and all the other videos of China. Thumbs up.
Thank you guys. Your perspective is heartfelt and consistent. Truth often is quashed, here and abroad. Please never underestimate the value of you message. Peace.
This is why I started watching this channel years ago. Love that raw footage and that you guys take us to places we would never ever go to. I love also how you explained the thing with sending people in wrong directions 😂 that happened to me in Japan so so often too.
Also the hirarchie system in asia is so well accepted and integtated into society.
Thank you! Keep on
We send tourists in wrong directions in Devon England too. Sorry
The intro to the VPN ad sent me into a fever dream flashback. Woke up on the floor.
Wow, that actually looks like any other “third world” country.
Except China is rich and the future world order
@@arishemghoul9571 Good one
@i'm the king well said
@i'm the king I never thought of it that way. Thank you for that.
I clicked on the Like button and it flipped from 9.9K to 10K. I am really impressed with your travels and first hand experience that you are sharing and educating people on. You are amazing!
Awesome damn video, guys - VERY nicely done, VERY interesting, and VERY important! Thanks for your content!!
Outstanding.
Thank you so very very much guys.
Always appreciate your videos, and even more so after you've left China.
Winston and C Milk, I'd like to hear more about the Chinese attitude and manners and how things have gotten aggressive and crazy. Chinese tourists who act gross and super entitled, just the gross way citizens act that the CCP encourages.
Thank you guys, I really appreciate your videos. Be safe out there.
I was a Financial Risk Manager and I have been employed all over the globe for various corporations, I have also worked for several Chinese companies and traveled extensively throughout it. They don't have homelessness, none. Why? In China if you have a mental illness then medical intervention is compulsory, opting out is not an option. Similarly if you have a drug problem then your assigned to a drug rehabilitation center and you don't get to leave unless they think your cured. Also drug dealers are executed no matter how much or how little, that's it. So if you don't abide by the laws in this culture you are incarcerated for minor offenses, that means 24/7 solitary confinement and for serious offenses it's automatic execution, they don't mess around, it's brutal if you step out of line. The other side of the coin is that China has no third world skid rows like the US, where presently a large part of the US population is now existing in third world style poverty. I have to laugh at these guys above going around showing rural backwaters in China as if its poverty stricken, its not, its basic but still a well organised agrarian society. Look much closer to home if you want to see real poverty.
Cheers for the vid. Great content as ever.
The bit at the beginning you described as “average China town” looks to me, except for the writing, exactly like an average Indian town I saw while travelling through central India.
Yep.
I've seen some African villages from travel bloggers, and the average Chinese downtown would be considered "developed" in comparison.
My uncle flew us out to China when he worked there, this was back in 2000, right after Honk Kong was handed to China, I recorded footage all week long and when we got back to the states all the small mini vhs that I had the footage on was gone, camera still in bag but all tapes gone. I was so mad and to this day I think when checking our bags to leave it was taken so we couldn't bring that footage back.
India has a perception issue too but its the opposite of china.
If you want poverty p0rn then India comes up in most google results and only poor villages are talked about.
Yep But the fact is true Still Many towns and villages not clean,Not having proper roads, toilets,Basic infrastructure, Electricity thankfully it's changing Speedly Millions getting out of poverty stepping middle class, Government started to building All types of infrastructure from road to railway, Internet Booming here now,90% Indians now have Acces to electricity, Toilet
Hi, and STAY AWESOME. Great work as always.
Excellent work as always guys.
Have you ever heard of the tragedy of the homeless Americans in *almost* all US cities?
This post maybe from a year ago, but still true in 2023! All independent sudies show this is still a fact!
This situation will continue because the government doesn't invest in education in these rural areas. Many charities have to go and build schools for mountainous and poor regions in China and those are just bare bone Chinese and math courses maybe English courses in rare cases. Half of the country is almost illiterate. The other half pay tons for tutoring classes which have recently been banned but parents still go online to seek tutoring. Poor people simply will stay poor and uneducated in the foreseeable future. The wealth gap is huge so the top 0.00000001 % can flaunt their wealth oversees putting up a show.
There's definitely a benefit to keeping the majority of citizens in poverty, in certain jobs and work on maintaining their nationalism. That's everything to the CCP government. Need to keep those factories open and the rate still hasn't improved for these people. That's also why they have been changing and demoting university degrees. Many won't have a choice to work in a factory 6 days a week for 1800 kuai a month.
什么叫有一半中国人是文盲😅中国的识字率是97%，可能比你的国家要高的多，还有中国政府大规模搞扶贫建设你是一点看不到是吧😂
@robspunk
什么叫作“中国人上六天班挣1600块钱”，中国的人均收入是世界中高水平，基本上没有人的收入低于3000人民币，那种一周上六天的人月收入为10000到15000左右
I had a stop over at a Chinese airport and I asked a lady working there (in an official looking uniform) where I need to go. She pointed me to a que and it turns out it was for domestic chinese people, it took me a while to realise this can't be right then I later found the right way.
Comparing that to my time in Taiwan it really left a bad taste in my mouth, but if it's a loss of face thing I guess I should be more forgiving.
I don't think so, but we're all welcome to our own opinions.
After 4 years of hating that opening song, I am starting to like it.
Great work as always guys. You’ve really helped me understand my wife’s background and cultural habits better.
Even Vietnam rarely has anywhere as poor as that town. I'm very surprised.
If they spent half the money they waste on trying to look good on actually trying to make their country better they wouldn't have to try to lie and hide anything.
exactly!
Seems free to travel to these "poor" hidden places!
Always enlightening. Thank you
Thank You for sharing this.
So much of this is just deeply ingrained culture. I live near a small suburban center, here in Sydney Australia, where the train line runs right down the middle. One side is all Chinese and it's always messy, disorganized, not clean and tidy, smelly. The other side is all Korean - those stores and streets are neat and clean, organized, calm and a lot more stylish. The contrast is really remarkable!
@i'm the king 4000 year civilizations and some almost half still don’t even have water.
I want to say no,it's not real,dude,you should research beijing or Shanghai's video,i think its can help u to figure out your confusing.because these people who went to Australia or japan is not high level people,because they can't earn lots of Money in chinamainland,in the other words,they are poor man in Chinese,but Korean is not,rich man will go to Canada and America Singapore
@@harryliu8281 My Chinese neighbor would strongly disagree with you. She's VERY critical of the Chinese attitude to things.
I think the important thing to take from this is that, when a country becomes "wealthy," there are only certain areas that ever experience that wealth; the poor areas will remain poor, and will look unchanged. Look at the US for example. Parts of LA and NYC are always growing, new buildings being built everyday, new restaurants being opened, etc. but when you take a look at poorer, small towns, they've been unchanged for 60 years: same houses that have always been there, same restaurants your grandparents would go to, etc. When you realize that poor areas are largely unchanged, it makes sense to see poorer parts of China looking like this because that *is* what China looked like 60 years ago. The reason why poorer areas of the US look significantly better than that (or, at least in our opinion) is because the US had more money 60 years ago and was able to build more substantial places, even with very little money: China didn't. In the US, we were able to build real roads in most places, relatively strong buildings, etc. and though they don't look great *now,* they look a lot better than the unchanged, poorer parts of China built around the same time. This has nothing to do with a country's "wealth," but the distribution of wealth, and the fact that in *all* of these years, these parts never received it.
The gap between Rich and poor in China is massive.
My last girlfriend was from a small city in Fujian. I visited there three times and that was basically more than enough to last a lifetime. Besides the fact that Fujian is infamous for corruption, the daily life there is absolutely intolerable. Getting something as simple as a movie ticket was like fighting off a mob. Completely nonsensical. I was also served massively undercooked chicken and got more than a couple of stomachaches from eating there. There was no local train, subway, etc -- just limited buses and local taxis, as well as the typical private individual trying to get you to pay for a ride. The majority of the hotels weren't foreigner-friendly either, so it was a challenge to book lodging. Instead, I'd just have my girlfriend do it.
It's interesting to see what a glimpse of normal everyday China looks like. Both China and America have poverty, people always try to show the nice parts of America. The big cities, the lights, restaraunts, etc. Underneath the surface, there is still struggle. I hope oneday to be able to visit China and experience life in the country and how it compares to life in rural America.
welcome to china ! I live in CHONGQING.
Gosh I love the China footage on these videos
I really enjoy you channel. Thanks lads!!
These guys make my day when a new video comes up!
Our world became a better place when you 2 met & became best friends & decided to film your Motorcycle travels !! On 2/22/22, I celebrate you 2 !!
A journalist told me he could literally see people living in caves from the train when he left Beijing. This was shortly before the 2008 Olympics.
Wow, crazy.
I like how the ads come absolutely out of nowhere on these videos.
I'm a Chinese college student and I grew up in that kind of rural area. Yes it is part of the current Chinese culture that dignity is everything. They never think about why dignity is everything. I think this is partly because of the education we received in our early ages. When we did something wrong, we might get heavily punished but never told accurately why. Never asking for the reason is our culture and this leads to a huge lack of critical thinking. The reason why it has formed into a such culture is hard to find exactly. You can say that the incapability of the Chinese government is part of the reason because we started from a feudal civilization, and the government were influenced by that culture. (But maybe the system is the main reason.) Why it has not changed may be the closed policies. In the university, gaps exist between people from different groups because of the environment we grew up. (at least according to my perception, because I have few friends.) They tend to keep away from those different from them. People like me who are kind of strange may result in being like a Japanese person who is isolated from the society. I think other Asian countries may have the same cultural issue. Actually, I do not get much knowledge about political and economic stuff until I became an adult. So some conclusions former to my above statements may be found false. But one of my most important lessons I've learned during my former life is that human need to be more rational as possible. Always ask yourself why. Think about the reason. In this way, we can escape that traditional way of thinking and find true values of life but not dignity. Some people just LIVE for dignity, or "face". By the way, because I find no people keeping the same perspective for life as I have, I reach out to the Internet. I think a person of an evolved civilization should keep these properties: 1. Rational; 2. Believe in love and peace. So I am willing to make friends with this kind of people.
I went to visit a school in yunnan province once. It was very much this vibe. as poor as it was, the kids in the school still had the same attitude city kids have against westerners, and in fact when I was presenting there was a policeman in the doorway giving me the evil eye the entire time. it was such an awkward situation.
next time I'll wear pants. /s
this really did happen though. Another school I visited, the kids treated me like a celebrity and everyone asked for my autograph.
Damn, i always knew China is one of the racist country in the world (maybe even the most racist)
I hate that about Vietnam...lying about directions or the solution to a problem. It's the same face-saving cultural problem. My default is to assume the correct answer is the exact opposite of whatever I'm told.
Honestly, for folks on a motorcycle, that goat path probably should be _regionally_ considered to be a road. Three centuries ago, that was a normal road worldwide. _THAT_ is an example of why Rome was so respected for so long- even _today_ you can still drive on some of their paved roads, and _almost noone else paved roads outside cities._
China is #79 in terms of GDP per Capita at PPP, which isn't bad for a country of a billion plus people, but definitely not OECD level.
Great work guys :)
I've been attacked by Wumao soldiers because I have repeated what Premier Li Keqian said last year, that 600 million mainlanders earn barely RMB 1000 (US$140) a month. The problem is that those attackers will repeat the CCP's use of averages to hide medians. Thus, if, among 6 people, 1 person has 8 houses but the rest have only one, the average can be rounded to 4 houses, but the median is 1 house. The CCP relies on the average to hide the widespread nature of the poverty it thrives on. The billionaires of the CCP leadership pervert all such averages.
Nice to see you here too!
Well said by the way!
It's shocking to see the extent of the rabid whataboutism of the wumaos.
那请问你为什么要相信李克强说的话呢，他不也是中共官员之一吗
At least India are honest about their progress/wealth and poverty within and outside their cities (same can't be said for China). China probably just has better infrastructure (I've been to China, not India though).
The best directions are to just follow the overhead power lines going to somewhere else. There will always be a path/road all along the way for maintenance - the same path that was made when the power-poles were installed years ago.
I only had the pleasure of visiting China very briefly, Shanghai, back in 2016. But I still was extremely surprised about the dirt, pollution and poverty just 20 min driving from the hotel to a factory area (I had work to do there). Looked like what I would imagine rural sub-sahare Africa to be like. So yes, the Bund is beautify and all, but certainly a facade.
It's way better now tho, feel free to visit again!
@@Hhhh22222-w Agree I was there 2017 to 2020 and visited a lot of factories 2017-2018 and I saw TREMENDOUS efforts put into reducing pollution.
你如果说谎是要付责任的