Eli Hassell vs Norman Finkelstein on Israel, Hamas and Harvard | The Full & Unedited Interview
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Eli Hassell talks to Norman Finkelstein about the war in Israel. Norman is an author, activist and former assistant professor. Both his parents are Holocaust survivors.
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It's about having the ability to put yourself in the other person's shoes. The torment and abuse the Palestinian people have endured over the decades is absolutely horrendous. Thank you, Mr. Finkelstein, for doing your part to educate people.
Try putting yourself in Israeli shoes....offering 2 state solutions myriad times (only to be met with violence). Having every war started by the Arabs/Palestinians (all of them). Israel has had to wall themselves off from these religious lunatics who would treat you like an animal if you lived among them. Get a clue.
There is no abuse. infant GDP and population growth in PA are higher than some of the Arab neighbors. All their suffering could be resolved multiple times if the PA leadership accepted the Jewish state and seemed coexistence
This is a stupid argument. All populations around the world have grown. Try and find a better one. Their leaders have recognized Israel long time ago. Stop spreading lies and stop calling Israel 'the jewish state'.@@gregoryn3780
PA is Westbank,- not Gaza, which has been under siege¥ since 2005, but your point is mood, anyway. The conditions in one country doesn't mandate abuse of citisens in another. Especially not abuse based on etnicity.
There are more than 50 discriminating laws in the zionist apartheid occupation, which the delinquents deem a state. Ad to that the unofficial situation on the ground, and you ought to realise, how criminal this regime is.
If you do not understand the severity and weight behind such accusations, I suggest you listen to some people, who were born into privilige, but has come to recognise the level of injustice in the system, like Eran Efrati, Miko Peled and Ilan Pappé.
¥Siege = occupation
@@gregoryn3780The most dumb argument to ever be uttered. It's like saying you have 6 siblings it is oke if i kill one you still have 5. Do you people even use your brain or is it always off??
I started listening to Norman Finkelstein to try to get a Palestinian perspective on the Israel-Palestine issue, having been exposed to the Israeli position my whole life. I hoped to see the flaws and the omissions that ALWAYS arose when listening to the pro-Israeli apologists. I haven't found any. In video after video Norman stands out as a shining beacon of truth, integrity and profound scholarship. Norman may regret that he has focused so much on this single issue; I am so grateful to him for following the path he has. History will vindicate him. The truth will come out. Israel's organised public relations cover up will be exposed. Norman will be seen, in the long run, as one of the very few Jewish patriots. Bless you Norman and thank you Eli for having the courage to listen to what Norman is saying. It's very hard for Israelis to accept the enormity of Israel's history. The new generation, it seems have a great deal more courage than their parents!
I think this is the highest praise ive read to the professor.
Brilliant.
Well said Sir ✌🙏😎
For 4 decades Norman Finklestien Studied Wrote Spoke and lived amongst the Situation sacrificing income and I am sure Friendships. Few listened. In 2020 He say even He gave up. Now He has been pulled back in as His knowledge is needed more than ever.
How can anyone who defends the unprovoked burning of his own babies and the hiding behind civilians and touting their dead be considered a beacon of integrity. Finkelstein is the shame of the nation and will go down in history like those shameful jews who cooperated with the nazis
You can have whatever opinion of Finkelstein you want to, but calling him a beacon of truth is flat out absurd
I approve of Eli's polite and serious demeanour, and Norman's decency and intellect shine, as always.
11:30 He finds these subjects funny, something to smile and laugh about. He's not decent, he's sick.
agreedos!!
Bollocks.
Loved the interview but Elii sort of slaped himself in the face asking him for a debate with Destiny...
Who tf is he/her?
Loved Norman's response...
A proper thumb up, first time I've watched your channel...
Oh man! Norman looks so tired and his voice is raw and cracked from talking so much - please take good care of yourself Professor Finkelstein - you too important a person for truth and justice in this world!
He always sounds like that 😊 But I agree with your sentiment.
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"They're enhanced fireworks"- Norman Finkelstein 2018
It is absolutely irrational to expect the occupied and oppressed to sit quietly and not react or to not try to stop the oppression by any means available.
Define occupation and oppression in the context of Gaza
Non-violent forms of resistance are more likely to garner international sympathy and support. This support can be crucial in pressuring oppressors to change their policies and in seeking a just and peaceful resolution.
History provides numerous examples where non-violent resistance has led to positive change and the end of oppression, such as the civil rights movement in the United States and the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa.
@@DevonRyeTheDragonfly About occupation, see the 2004 ICJ case.
i agree with that premise. jews have been so oppressed for 80 plus years by arabs and the muslims countries, they deserve to fight for thier land
Where were you when Egypt and Jordan occupied “palestinian land”?… you hypocrite
Thank you Dr.Norman Finkelstein for your endless efforts to educate the public on the truth and undeniable facts of the Palestine-Israel issue. You truly are an admirable human being.
Holocaust denyer 🤮
@UC3Shh3l848tzvvpkA-RLdJw i have been inclined to think that, but he makes good points about the long view of history and is not a hypocrite. The achievement of freedom has not always been bloodless. I incline to pacifism but i cannot deny there is some merit in that argument
Norm fink isn’t truthful about anything, he’s a crook, a liar and a fool!
I lost all respect for Finklestein here. Self-hating jew.
Are you nuts? The man lies on every occasions and I’m not exaggerating. Fact check anything he says and you’ll find that the man is a compulsive liar and probably psychotic.
It was so heartbreaking when Prof. Finkelstien said that half of Gaza does not exist.
lol
Heartwarming actually ❤
@@pizzathehut5808 Must be funky to be a bloodlustful racist minority. But it's ok. If you can maintain your own physical violence, maybe you can participate in a civilization somewhere, instead of western barbarism. Good luck doll 👍
yes the apartheid regime unleashed its genocidal and destruction
@@pizzathehut5808 When Israel will be paying reparations for its deeds, will you also love it?
I like when he says a people without hope is terrible. That's just it. Human Rights for everyone
Are you kidding me? When did hamas ever care for human rights? They murdered fatah leaders gays and who ever disagrees with them!!! Israel has. Many problems but the values are in the right direction and the rest of the middle east is far from that unfortunately
a people who have had 'without hope' gleefully inflicted on them by a brutal sadistic US sponsored Z cult of eastern european colonial imposters, land thieves and liars.
True. I’m not sure Eli realizes that it’s because of the deliberate strategy and actions of the State od Israel that make the Palestinians feel hopeless due to the stealing of their land, their nourishment, their employment, their futures.
It actually really stood out to me that this obvious fact has been missed by Eli.
It’s very clear now, and it’s been stated repeatedly by Israeli ministers and IDF leaders that their goal is to destroy the hope of the Palestinian people so they will leave or die.
Teply
Yes and Israel has the right to hope that it can live in peace
Norman Finkelstein, a man after my own heart 💕 stay safe and live long. The world needs you; all your work has not been in vain. Be glad that you didn’t get tenure, it might have “spoiled “ you. Your parents and grandparents would be proud! As a fellow human being, I’m proud of you.
His parents and grandparents are probably spinning in their graves faster than particles in Cern!
Inflammatory rhetoric and a one-sided approach to complex issues. This is all he's about.
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@@DanneBrogen3Ok, Israel troll
@@antimediaman9354ok, Israel troll
What a fabulous interview! An oasis of sanity during these impossible times.
Sanity? Fink?
Intresting and educating conversation that does not include a screaming match or ad hominem attacks as it should be.
Much respect to Mr. Finkelstein for rejecting to be on a platform hosted by that vacuous charlatan Destiny. The fact you chimed in and offered to moderate it was quite telling, as a motivation surely propelled by views and clicks quite obviously. While I give you credit for conducting the interview in a reasonable and mild manner, I question the intent of trying to bring that weasel into a discussion with Norman.
It is really good interview. Thank you for inviting prof Finkelstein. Than you for letting us listen everything without interrupting as many interviews did before.
Thank you young man for seeking and bringing truth to light. Educating oneself is the key to solving life's problems. The old way of following leaders blindly is absolutely unacceptable.
Absolutely. IF people used their brains instead of being sheep and allowing themselves to be controlled (including mind control) the world would be a much better place. Even Hitler himself once said "lucky for the leader that men don't think", or something close to that meaning. This applies to populations as a whole but specifically to soldiers who blindly just follow orders like stupid dogs.
All the boy did throughout this interview was listen to NF, push in milquetoast fashion against some of the simpler points that NF was making, and then at the end, say that he does not agree with some of NF's positions, thank you for coming. He's weak. He does take a stand and defend it whatsoever. Long way to go, young man.
Professor Finkelstein is one of a kind.....a man who has lived his entire life in public view and never compromised his integrity...
Thank you Eli for bringing Dr Finkelstein and for being a great listener and a professional interviewer unlike many others mainly in the British media who would shout and interrupt the guests. Great job all the best for your future endeavors.
Eli was silent for decades....and like a mummy out of a catacomb suddenly rises ' Do you condemn Hamas ". Disgusting
Thank you Prof. Finklestein. Please continue teaching the truth to the public, I have known you for many years and have had a great admiration for you. Wish there were more people like you.
Thank you Eli. You are a most respectful interviewer, which is sadly, very rare these days.
Means no pushback against a known liar / piece of garbage.
totally agree
Agreed.
Not the most respectful. The interviewer interrupted the guest several times. Moreover, his first question as well as his final remark were banal and lacking in substance.
He’s mediocre at best and just recycling propaganda especially in the beginning.
I'm starting to think Norman is personally bringing about a moment for Israel akin to the falling of the Berlin wall for the USSR. Keep up the good work professor.
I wish he was sent as a negotiator for peace btn Plstn and Isrl; that he gets a Nobel Price for it and remains in the Pantheon of great useful human amongst Mandela, Ghandi, MLK, Malcolm X etc. truly humanity useful work, life and thoughts 💭🫒🇵🇸🕊️🍉🤍🤲🏼☝🏼 uh I wish him recognition from Isrl to vindicate him ...
Norm Fink is a fool!
@@SunVirtuous-vs8rw Look at the comments. you the only fool here. braindead like your elders.
@@SunVirtuous-vs8rw You're a c u n t.
He's one of many that joined forces to combat this horrific injustice. So grateful to him for his amazing patience to do interviews like this ... just think of how many times he got the questions Elie asked? And how amazing he didn't turn the computer off as soon as Eli asked him whether he condemns Hmas! I probably would have ... at this point it's almost disrespectful ...
I tear up listening to Dr. Finkelstein … please don’t ever stop telling the truth no matter how much it hurts
hahahhahaha
Auatrian painter was telling it and people to this day can't get over that pain lol, this won't be any different.
"Please don't ever stop telling the *truth" *unless the truth starts hurting the arab narrative and for as long as it hurts the jews.
@@NotEvenDeathCanSaveUplease elaborate, I’m curious
😂😂😂 brainwashed prople love finkelstein
Norman Finkelstein, A Great Teacher and a Great Man. Thank you so much sir.
Starting with that question is so corny at this point. You know your guest and you know how many times he’s been asked that. Step your game up.
I dont even understand why this question became so mandatory?
@@snuffcarlfor purposes of zionist propaganda.
why is it' corny'?
@@snuffcarl because hamas came to power upon a platform that called for the actual extermination of the jewish people via a 1400 year old religious text.
@@snuffcarl It’s a qualifier used to discredit the rest of someone’s argument if they don’t answer it to the satisfaction of the one posing the question. That’s literally the only point.
Finkelstein is honest and sharp.
He is not sharp. He seems confused. And denying FACTS is not honest.
@@nightflight4191 Which fact is he denying?
@@rasmushastbacka5884None, that's just another loser Zionist drowining in their own dissonance.
He basically says all Hamas did was let in thousands of horny, violent BOYS onto a peaceful civilian population. And he defends essentially the “naturalness” of this outcome as if any other oppressed group actually behaves this way.
@@rasmushastbacka5884Hamas raping and torturing.
Eli- I am happy to see him neutral and offering great questions and insights. Thank you Eli and Norm for this interview.
"Neutral"...? 😂
he is not neutral he just did not talk a lot. However, whenever he does, it is blatant obvious he is a pretty biast individual.
As the grandfather held his murdered granddaughter in Gaza and said, 'soul of my 'soul ,Norman you have no idea of how many Palestinians souls you have touched with your relentless humanity towards them. I pray that you are in good health always
Thank you Mr Finkelstein for your integrity, humanity, and knowledge. It's a real history lesson to listen to you, without prejudice or partial view, you go straight to the FACTS.
yup he a total rasha
What’s a rasha?
It's fine that you like him, but you should know that the reasons you like him are more to do with his perspective and world view, rather than beacuse he uses facts. Anyone can use facts, and there are hundreds of speakers with comparable and supeior knowledge to Finkelstein; so that doesn't make him special. Honestly, he comes across as hyperbolic.
I totally agree with Frank that we have to distinguish a legal judgment from a moral judgement regarding the Oct 7 atrocities. He was the first one I came across to have made such a distinction which makes perfect sense for me.
its not that simple...and just what is your point?.....should people dying under Apartheid rule not get justification for fighting back to insure their liberty?
The man is a psychopath, if you fact check literally anything he says, you’ll find that either he’s not as smart as he believes or he’s a compulsive liar
The brilliance of the premier authority on this topic is shown again. Thank you, Professor Finkelstein.
lol. The premier authority of which S.S. unit exactly?
Everything he says is garbage. Lies or misleads through his teeth. Despicable human.
@@imperiald3864 You’re thinking the IDF 😂🤡
@@Knotyoma doesn't really work. rethink the joke and try again.
@@imperiald3864 No, it does work. IDF may as well be = SS after what the world has seen.
Prof. Norman Finkelstein is a legend 👍
a legend of r4p3 dening
@@canalphi2673prove it
A legendary Putz.
Im glad Dr Finklestein unequivocally dismissed the offer to participate in a "debate" with some half-baked internet ideologue who calls himself 'Destiny'.
Why does his name matter at all?
You mean Mr Vermicelli?
Eli says, “But this doesn’t help their goal at all.” What do you mean? The entire world became resistance fighters right along with them. People like me, a white single-mom in the midwest (US) cannot look away and is pressuring my government everyday to stop this. It changed everything for the Palestinian people.
Well congratulations, your ignorance, and the ignorance from people like you around the world, encouraging the 'resistance' is what has been getting Palestinians killed for the past 50+ years. You are not supporting peace, you are supporting never-ending war, and a war that the Palestians will never win (unless they and their allies somehow destroy Israel, which I hope you realise would be one of the most devastating wars ever, if it somehow happened); therefore you are supporting neverending Palestinian suffering.
"Resistance fighters"
Oh, do shut up.
@@garethlewis1984you can be both terrorist and resistance fighter. Actually it's often intertwined, that's the whole point Finkelstein is making. Just like you could argue Israel is a democratic state which could also be seen as a terrorist state. An organisation can be multiple labels.
Palestine is one of the most poor and controlled places in the world and officially they aren't even a state and are not allowed to arm themselves. Hence it's one of the reasons you have tunnels to smuggle weapons.
What do you expect they are going to fight in uniform face to face with one of the most advanced armies in the world? They would lose that battle in a heartbeat.
The reason they also attack and kidnap civilians which is terrible no doubt about it is because it's one of the few things they can do to give themselves some sort of power and make demands. It's silly to just only look at the horrific crimes Hamas did on the 7th and not look at the circumstances these people are living in and what they have to endure under terrorism of the Israeli state. There is an obvious difference in power you just can't overlook, which also determine what kind of violence is being used. It's not an excuse, just an explanation.
So I think it's fair to say Hamas is a terrorist radical organisation which they obviously are, but you could also argue it's and organisation of resistance, which they also obviously are. Like Finkelstein says 'what are they supposed to do?'
It's quite clear that in a conflict those in power, especially if there is such a huge difference in power have the biggest responsibility to stop a conflict. They have the luxury to reason and give meaning to there thoughts, where those oppressed haven't.
Finkelstein is a legend
At being a terrorist apologist and sympathizer
Sociopath
a legend in his own mind, yes.
Dr. Finkelstein truly is, I have so much respect and admiration for this man.
Still a legend and his words will be looked at in the future as judgement of Israel will eventually happen . The world looks at Israel as the new Germany after ww2 and Netanyahu the modern hitter . They have lost all credibility and no more can the talk about genocide as when they have the power they do the same things.
Norman Finklestein is a legend but Eli conducted this interview in a respectful and intelligent way where I could not tell if he agreed or disagreed with the professors positions. Well done Eli on conducting such a professional conversation, you have earned a subscriber.
He’s been discredited since his Turkish Terror cruise buddies inept whitewash report,to international condemnation,only to lurch back,creaming himself over Hamas atrocities,kA cHinGrifter Tanky..🇻🇳
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Agreed, and well said.
this is a very intelligent young man. keep up the good work and stay true to yourself. i think it's not easy being a jew at this moment.
@@bobbylongwitz6053Nor should it be. CEASEFIRE and humanitarian aid now!
@user-mh7zo3ct8k Because no amount of evidence will persuade an idiot,& a well coordinated campaign to prop up & shout down any criticism of Finklestilstskine’s inept,dishonest & obviously biased terrorist apologetics,he’s all highly emotive rhetoric filled with false equivalence,strawmen,waddabowdis n dat,shocking denials of the 7/10 massacres by his homeys Hamaslaughter,he’s the worst kind of propagandist,extreme authoritarian tanky playing the noble scholar who’s identity politics,virtue signalling & moral indignation fills the trifecta of insane ideological grifters,while getting a pass for the outrageous statements in this interview alone,he lied about the Destiny circumstances,disgusting person,as bad as Owen Jones & Mohammed Hijab..
🙏🏽 Mr. Finkelstein ❤ Honest, courageous, decent, brave, you are highly appreciated ❣️
Most respect to professor Finkelstein, He’s honest, knowledgeable and has a beautiful heart ,
You’re a sociopath too?
Honest? He calls that a genocide. Please refer him to the Rwanda genocide.
Are you hosting a genocide Olympics, now? Israel is murdering children at an even faster rate than the Nazis. Does that mean the Holocaust was not a genocide? What a stupid, specious argument.
@@user-gn9vu7wn7trawanda was a genocide and Gaza is a genocide, one genocide dosnt take away the status of the term from another
@@theliamofella No, this is no genocide because Israel retaliated against the Attacks on October. Rwanda is a totally different story.
If Israel was commiting genocide there would be no Palestinian left alive today!
Norman, so eloquent, informative, and knowledgeable
Fact check him. Every statement uttered by the guy is a lie. Assume the opposite of what he says is true and you’re much closer to reality. Seriously, fact check him.
gave us some@@DevonRyeTheDragonfly
@@DevonRyeTheDragonflyGive us a fact-check, brosef. He's more knowledgeable on this matter than any Zionist sociopath in Israel or abroad.
BS @@DevonRyeTheDragonfly
@@dogsbestfriend8988he is definitely biased and don’t tell me is BS because I have checked.
I love you, Norman Finkelstein.
This guy basically says, “All hamas did was open the gates and let in thousands of boys to kill all the men and children, and rape western-looking women as the final act of their pathetic lives.” Grim!
Another brialliant interview with the great Prof Finklestein
Fink is a fool, everybody hates fink!
Where is he a prof at?
Why doesn’t the White House think like this gentleman does ? what would you expect the Palestinians do having lived with no dignity and no safety in the open prison for decades under Israel’s occupation ?
The White House/US government is thinking about munitions profits, spy and weapons technology developed by Israel using the Palestinians as guinea pigs, and gas mined from the waters around Gaza. Joe Biden may have a personal affection for Israel, but these decisions are strictly political/financial.
Lie down and die or pack up and walk into the sea. Decades of Israel's actions from the very start of the cleansing in 1947 (yes, I got that year right), they simply don't want any Arabs to exist there. We know that any action from peaceful protests to violent attacks will be and has been labeled as terrorism. (No one should ever attack civilians.) However, those same actions Israel commits are not. Benefits for being a friend of the West.
The White House, since the 60s, has made the determination that they benefit from their relationship with Israel, which is-if we are being honest-European. What benefit would they get from Palestinians or Arabs? We already know what our government thinks of Arab countries from our continued actions to gain access to their resources. (They think the same about Latin countries, hence our actions there.) To quote Joe Biden from decades ago: "If Israel didn't exist, we would have to create an Israel."
Like a sociopath?
@@acc4465yes. Sociopaths are made that way through their environment
Because it’s not big business friendly; it’s a moral standpoint
Norman Finkelstein what a legend
Yes his false equivalences, lies of omission, ad hominin attacks, emotional appeals certainly put him in that category.
@@zarbins did you rewatch a part of a Destiny video to type this comment?
Come back when your fascist god get on time to debate Norman, no time for unsure racist cucked husbands around here.
@@zarbins Gonna cry?
@@ilikecringe Nah, i'm good. He's a smart guy and I enjoy listening to him, but he still paints a particular narrative and doesn't address numerous issues. He's often emotional as well and tends to lash out.
@@zarbinsThat’s the most magnanimous response to “Gonna cry?” I’ve ever seen
I praise Mr. Hassell ability to conduct this interview in an unbiased manner and professional way
Once he started with "do you condemn Hamas" and starting at October 7th it was Straight up biased...
@@michaelidarecis That’s true. But I respect the dude for at least allowing him to speak, and appearing to genuinely listen. I find most people still in support of Israel to be aggressively radical, a lot of the time. So at least he isn’t putting more of that out there. I can’t argue with what you said though.
@@AP-op4rc "Allowing" him to speak? It's Norman who brings the audience in this interview on this tiny channel.
@@naturalaquatreasures Well ofc that’s true. What I meant by allowing, was just not being rude and belligerent.
@@naturalaquatreasures I see your having a hard time with Eli picking up speed. More a reflection on you then him. I saw all your other comments.
You are such a pro interviewer Eli, unlike many who would interrupt for fun whenever the other guy say something not so agreeable. We may have things where we have different views, but you have been a top class interviewer and moderator, that is something no one can take away from you. ❤
I beg to disagree.
This interviewer interrupted the guest. Perhaps not for "fun", but apparently under the mistaken (and disrespectful) assumption that the guest has veered off topic.
He also said at the final moment, something to the effect of, "I don't agree with everything you said, but this is what discussion is about." This is not only condescending and pretentious, it is cringy and unprofessional. Let the interview's substance speak for itself. No intelligent person expects the interviewer to agree 100% with the interviewee. Just please ask your questions and thank the guest for his time.
And speaking of asking questions, the first question was as banal as it was unintelligent and unprofessional.
He’s a mediocre self absorbed kid who’s discussing with an intellectual person who’s way out of his league in all the possible ways 😂 we all know how he got this way so young.
Norm is a gift to this planet. I wish I could meet him and express my gratitude in person.
Inflammatory rhetoric and a one-sided approach to complex issues is all he's about.
Me too. Me too. Could you even imagine how proud his parents would be?
He is a *grift to his planet
@antimediaman9354 will this is what we hear on a daily basis ! Do you think your government or your mainstream media give a different point of view ? Or show what is going on on the other side ? Naah, I don't think so. Americans are one of the easy people to manipulate ! You just sell them lies, and they buy it.
@@antimediaman9354 Fact based rhetoric. Source based rhetoric. Reason based rhetoric. Ad hominem-free rhetoric. Unbiased rhetoric.
Interview conducted with class. More of this please.
class? he started with the most hackneyed unoriginal and meaningless question ever. zero class.
The guest certainly conducted himself with class.
The interviewer interrupted the guest several times during the interview, when he surely knew that the professor needs time to answer questions in great detail and with enough context.
But yes, I agree--more interviews with the esteemed Norman Finkelstein, please.
Totally agree with you @@Welcome2TheInternet
As a Muslim, I am deeply impressed by Professor Finkelstein's fair and just approach. His ability to speak the truth, especially as a son of Holocaust survivors, shows he is a very brave man.
I sincerely hope he is honored in both this life and the hereafter.
On the other hand, any atrocities committed by anyone, at any point in time, will undoubtedly face divine justice.
There are no double standards in this regard, whether one claims to be a devout Muslim or Jew or whatever...
"He is an extraordinary and truly brave man, regardless of his origins." What's the issue with his "origins" precisely?
@@TheMannCrux No issues with his origins of course! I mean, being a son of holocaust survivor parents, his courage makes more sense to me.
I recommend you edit your comment to word it better, what one would think reading " he is good, regardless of his origin" is different than saying " he didn't let his holocaust background blind him from the truth of what Gaza is enduring "
@@fatality153 I see your and @TheMannCrux' point now, and I corrected it. With a little bit artificial linguistic aid 🙂
*It is disappointing that the first question directed to Norman was "Do you condemn what Hamas have done on October 7th?" because it sets the tone of the interview and in all the mainstream western TV, this question is being used as a means of clarifying the credentials of the people being interviewed as being pro or anti-Hamas. Even interviewers like Eli Hassell who admit that they know this is not the beginning still start with this question. We do not know how many deaths were caused by Hamas on that day and I am surprised that Norman is so certain that Hamas is responsible for atrocities and maybe even war crimes before we have the facts, given that the Israelis have told so many lies regarding the number of deaths and by whom they were caused, omitting the actions of IDF tanks and helicopters. The question is meant to discover whose side the person being interviewed is on. The question should not be answered because it is too vague and it implies that Hamas is responsible for the deaths of all 764 civilians. Until there is an independent investigation, we do not have sufficient information regarding the meaning of this question.*
Agree.
Stop being so logical , you know Israeli colonizer and supporters don't like that.
Why won't you just believe what the" chosen" said? You must be antisemitic.lol
We know that Hamas was responsible for several crimes and atrocities.. no one disputes that, not even Hamas. There is no questions wether or not Hamas massacred and kidnapped people on October 7th, so very pointless argument. Obviously there is context and a long history of Palestinians being locked inside an open air prison, which every pro Palestinian supporters knows, including Norman. Basically you made a pointless long-winded argument, just to be oppositional.
@@alvodin6197 Your long'winded reply missed the point that yours and Norman's certainty about what happened on 7th October is disputed increasingly by the public as Zionist lies get exposed.
@@alvodin6197 the law that never one day protected the people of gaza
are we now supposed to execute them by the same law?
no you don't have any credit even to argue about it
Whether you think the Palestinians are under occupation or not? Did Eli really say that? Glad Norm addressed that
They were offered many times to rule themselves. When they were handed gaza Then they voted hamas and instead of investing in life itself. They shot rockets to Israel from the moment they could and built rockets from there water pipes.
Israel is mostly a dessert - not much water - did Israel blame others for its problems? No! They invented ways to overcome dessert difficulties.
Palastinens should have done the same. They choose war and to call there children and grandchildren refugees even though they were born in gaza. No other refugees in the world do that!
@@a-sf6nc This is absurdly ignorant to say.
Seems like what he said was true
@@AP-op4rc Agree wholeheartedly with you! Who the hell wants to hear the absurd real truth!
@@DanneBrogen3 No, this is delusional thinking. Maybe you think it’s cute or funny, but it’s neither. It’s dangerous as hell and there is a real human cost to your callous ignorance. Support what you want, but it’s blatantly obvious that you’re wrong at this point.
Wouldn't you know, the first question had to be the perverse "Do you condemn Hamas?!" That question should be ignored henceforth, given the evidence coming out that the Occupation Forces committed most of the killings on October 7, and that there is no evidence for beheadings or rapes.
In any case, the "atrocities" of October 7 pale into insignificance against the horrific background of 75 years of violent occupation and genocide.
We wouldn't today have a bad word to say about the Resistance in WW2.
This is truly a deluded comment. Palestinian statehood has been in Palestinian hands for most of that 75 years, and they have chosen war. For some bizarre reason, people want them to KEEP fighting, refuse statehood and peace, and somehow that is 'support' for the Palestinians.
You are seriously comparing this war to WW2? and the side you chose to compare to the Nazi's was not the side trying to eradicate the Jews? You are out of your mind.
Lol...the qyestion itself is wrong
@@michaeljames8410 Yeah, anyone who criticizes Israel is either an antisemite or deluded because Israel is lily white and never responsible for any of its crimes. When the PLO accepted the two state solution, it was Israel that refused. In fact, Netanyahu boasted about destroying the possibility of a two state solution but sure, it's always those 'extremist' Arabs who are not in favour of peace, never Israel that actively refused Palestinian statehood by building settlements in the West Bank which was supposed to be part of the Palestinian state. I mean the Arab League officially announced that it would fully recognize Israel if it allowed the formation of a Palestinian state but it's those Arabs who're always the extremists, not Israel. It's never the Israelis who were responsible for assassinating both Rabin and Arafat.
As for World War 2, why is that event put on a unique pedestal where no other crime can be compared to it? Why are the Israelis allowed to compare everyone to Nazis (while actually being buddies with Eastern European Nazis) but Palestinians are not allowed to compare a concentration camp that is being relentlessly bombed and starved to the Holocaust? So 12,000 Palestinian kids and 22,000 Palestinian civilians killed by Israel isn't terrible enough to be made a comparison? You have to look for such intellectually dishonest semantics to hide the criminality of your beloved apartheid state.
@@michaeljames8410 So easy to spot the Hasbara trolls. Anyone with a heart, anyone who is not a sociopath, anyone who is not a totally delusional brainwashed Zionist--or an arms manufacturer--today supports Gaza and #FreePalestine.
You do not seriously want to say that the IDF killed their own people. Are you crazy. Wake up or shut up
Thank you, Dr. Finkelstein. We, Palestinians, see you and admire you.
👌👍🤝
Of course you do
@@nightflight4191ALL right thinking people do!
❤️❤️ Dr Finkelstein.
1- Prof. Norm. IS fantastic as always 👑
2- the interviewer got approx. an hours worth of education for free (not that anything appears to have gone in)
3- Your followers got a free lesson
4- It’s apparent you’ve invited him for cloud/likes and views. (Your attempt for round 2 failed)
Good luck in your journey and may god show you the right path.
🔥🔥🔥Also, the title... Vs???
Side note. This is not a war.
This dude says Gaza is occupied? Israel left in 2005.
@@benb6527 Absolute BS. Isreal never "left".
@@LoveAllAnimals101 Israel absolutely fully disengaged. There were no Jews left in Gaza. Stop lying about Jewish history.
@@benb6527 Canaanite history. Gaza is an occupied territory because Israel has full control of its borders, airspace and territorial waters despite having formally withdrawn its forces and settlers from the enclave in 2005. Larger open air prison.
@@benb6527 ''israel left'' while controlling 6 out of 7 borders. controlling water, electricity, internet and food supply of gaza. controlling the air and sea of gaza. Banning and controlling which food exactly goes into gaza. stop calling it jewish history. its zionism history and you are the one who is spreading misinformation by saying that.
43:10 Professor Finkelstein explains how piers morgan avoided answering the unanswerable question, and therefore should have given in...
Eli proceeds to do the same... 🤡
I was hoping Norm would press him for his answer, but the lack of an answer says more
You could see the disappointment in Norm’s face when he went on to another question.
Yeah, that slow blink and swallow told it all. Pretty disappointing. The West truly is the bourgeois.
Compassion breeds integrity. Thank you to both of you.
Eli love the fact that you’re bringing opposing voices on. Finkelstein is a legend.
r4p3 denier
"She's an airhead" love how he doesn't mince words
Whose the she?
@@bluesky7288Nikki Haley.
As he said himself " im pro the truth". Thanks prof norman.
Norman Finkelstein is my greatest example of being a Fair Witness and living the "FOUR AGREEMENTS".....the world is so lucky to have Him and people like Abby Martin..Miko Peled..llan Pappe...Krystal Ball...and others whose integrity gives them strength to speak truth to power...
Don't forget the amazing Noam Chomsky (:
Also if you haven't looked up Gabor Mate, Noom Chomsky, Chris Hedges, Max Blumenthal they're great resources of information surrounding Israel, West Bank Gaza
@@eoinfitzpatrick1185
Abby Martin with her amazing documentary titled "Gaza Fights for Freedom"
@@bouchtaab8281 thankyou I will check it out.
Sut Jhally has been censored out of public existance. I can't even mention the title of his documantary, lest my comment gets erased by youtube censorship.
*Shame on the yt adm for fightning enlightenment and justice. Shame on every single individual, who participates in the oppression of truthful and substantiated information!*
Prof. F N ! You always aww me with your great points ! May you live many many more years to educate us !! Thank you for all the hard work you do to make wrong right ❤
His points are not great, but pro-Pals are so unquestioning that they will believe anything Fink utters. For example, look at Fink's reason for claiming that Gaza is "indisputably" a concentration camp: Israel's Security head once made a hyperbolic statement using the term. Please ask yourself: How many concentration camps have luxury hotels, their own government and police, hospitals and cars and taxis and shopping malls and paid jobs and welfare benefits? Gaza has all of these. Fink compares 10/7/23 to Nat Turner and the slave rebellion - as if slaves and Palestinians have been treated the same. Really? Great Points?
thank you Eli for being unbiased and fair with my idol Norman .. i sympathize so much with palestinians in this ge/no\cide ..
If Finkelstein is your idol you’re either psychotic or idiotic. Everything the guy says is pretty much the polar opposite of what’s actually true. Fact check him.
I’m 22 mins in and this is really good. Norman is the epitome of intelligence and integrity.
You like what he’s saying - that’s all - the guy is a liar - nobody with a brain has an ounce of respect for him - he has a routine that’s not even very clever. He’s not intelligent. He’s a very jealous person angry person. These people are a dime a dozen.
Omg
Norm's broader point is so powerful. Finding someone to blame and actually stopping the fighting are two different end-goals. Anything can be justified by claiming it is in retaliation, the important consideration is WHO actually holds the power to disrupt the conflict. The slave masters were the only ones who could prevent slave revolts, even if they did not perpetrate them. Freedmen dont attempt slave revolts, its that simple.
Viking raids, chevauchée, razzias... have been atrocities committed by freemen. There is such a thing as violent cultures.
It's also more than just a retaliation, what a strawman.
WHO actually holds the power to disrupt the conflict? Yeah, who does?! Are you suggesting Israelis love living with this constant tension? I can confidently say they enjoy being at peace with Egypt today. Why is Israel living at peace with Egypt, how did it happen?
! Are you suggesting Israelis love living with this constant tension?
Yes, yes and yes…especially when it comes to land ownership of Palestine.
Here is an excerpt of what the original founders of the state thought of the idea itself, in case you weren’t aware or chose not to be :
“The iron law of every colonising movement, a law which knows of no exceptions, a law which existed at all times and under all circumstances. If you wish to colonise a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison on your behalf. Or else give up your colonisation, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible any attempts to destroy or prevent this colonisation, colonisation is impossible, not “difficult “, not “dangerous “ but IMPOSSIBLE!
Zionism is a colonising adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed forces.
The Iron Law, Vladimir Jabotinsky (1880-1940)
Founder of the Irgun, a pro colonial terrorist group.
Mentored and inspired countless Israeli leaders.
@@omarfadil1226 Do I need to ignore this fact for your dogmatic view to crumble? Yeah, this is factual, so what? I have no idea how you came to believe this is relevant. You should realize zionism isn't monolithic. Ben-Gurion and the Labor Zionists had more influence, yet you're mentioning a para-military group. Forcibly, by definition, not mainstream...
Why not hold onto the Sinai then?
@@FalkoJ89 Thats funny, you dont see many scandinavians going on viking raids anymore. Maybe it had something to do with feudalism rather than their 'violent' culture...
Also, Israel is at peace with egypt because they are not occupying the country.
@@omarfadil1226 A para-military is by definition not mainstream.
Finkelstein seems honorable and should be listened too.
An honest man does not spread wrapped up lies!
"wrapped up" define this sir@@DanneBrogen3
@@claudenobles779
A good example of that is when Finkelstein is asked if he condemns the massacre on 7 October! Instead of answering yes or no, as a normal person does, he gives a defense speech for the perpetrators of the massacre in 2 minutes and 20 seconds which can make those listening lose focus on the question asked! Listen to his answer and you might see what I mean! There is a Swedish word for wrapped lies but cannot be translated!
@@DanneBrogen3You know, life is more complex than the simple dichotomy of Yes or No!
Moreover, history doesn't begin on the 7th of October!
I will review@@DanneBrogen3
Yes I remember Perise Morgan.. in my opinion he did not want to answer, professor Norman I like your natural way of speaking, you are just sweet passionate human being!
Condemning HAMAS is like condemning Warsaw Uprising or The French Resistance in WW2
This did help their cause. They embarrassed Israel and caused a overreaction that is bringing the world to defend the Palestinians.
Gaza is beeing destroyed. Is that help?
@@rasmushastbacka5884 yes, it did help. It forced Israel to show it always intended to force the Palestinians out all along. Now the world really sees Israel for what it is.
@@rasmushastbacka5884 It was already being destroyed, in a way that was subtle enough for the world not to pay attention. Now, we are all paying attention.
at this point I don't know how can someone honestly support israeli action in gaza without being either ignorant, psichologically damaged or in bad faith.
well, I do support Israel.
@@tonybanks1035Good for you Israhell NPC
you support israeli actions in gaza? @@tonybanks1035
@giovannipanzeri6431 In 1945 would you have supported the Allied invasion of Germany?
At this point I don't know how can someone honestly support Hamas action in Israel without being either ignorant, psichologically damaged or in bad faith.
Just want to echo what many have already said, Thank you for being you Norman!!
I could listen to Prof. Finkelstein all day and sometimes I do. I learn so much. He's honest and intelligent and speaks from a scholarly place.
Norman Finkelstein 'spews' out facts that's so difficult to argue against! His attention to detail is amaziing
It's courageous for for you Eli to bring on voices like Norman Finkelstein. Other suggestions are Daniel Levy, Lee Camp, Ilan Pappe, Noam Chomsky, Avi Shlaim and Glen Greenwald
Miko Peled, Eran Efrati, Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro, Gideon Levy …
I think Noam is dieing. No sign of him since the Hamas atack...he is 95 after all😢😢
Be patient, dear Palestinians! This time things will change for the better soon. The heart of the universe hears and sees you. You will be free!❤❤❤
They r free. We not
Thank you for saying that, I count seconds during which I eat and sleep with the feeling of guilt. The time will come and soon.
Yes indeed 👍
It won’t lol. That’s very romantic and sweet to say, like something you would see in a Hollywood movie. Ain’t no one coming to save the Palestinians. If you haven’t noticed, the elite don’t give a crap what we or anyone else have to say.
Dr. Norman Finkelstein is a true inspirational, forward thinking, man of extraordinary humanitarianism….
He will be remembered in the future, of a man who spoke of peace during times of savagery, apartheid
and genocide toward Palestinians…
🩸☠️🩸☠️🩸☠️🩸☠️🩸☠️🩸☠️🩸☠️🩸☠️🩸
i pray humanity will rise out of evil 🙏🙏🙏
Destiny and Professor Norman Finkelstein don’t belong in the same sentence. There is a difference when feeding the soul. You can either dine on a gourmet five star Michelin meal or fast food. The professor is good for the soul.
Norman voice tones is relax. Like an uncle speaking and explaining to his nephew questions. And Eli seem listening, and absorbing. Wether Eli agree with Norman or not, both have my respect in this interview. Free Palestine🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
There is not.much respect for any jew if you want to " free palestine"
@@tamarfischer283 what do you mean by that? not every jew is israel. the true jews(people of their book) condemn israel's actions.
@@didoyerejepov3199 that I'd not true. And anyhow, how do you define " true jew"
Dear Dear Norman ! Brilliant again ! Please sleep a tip better on thoughts we and we and we embrace you and again ! Your crushing caring….thank you t
Please support Prof Finkelstein by buying his books, he needs to be supported, his voice is vital in the fight for the humanity of Palestinians and their liberation.
I've never seen a guy do this many interviews in this short of time in my life, so I don't think he needs additional support aside from all the money he gets from hamas to spread their lies for them..
@@sandyunderpants4376 your username says it all about you really…broad statement that is essentially defamatory and libellous. Is that all you got in the face of receipts from a political scientist? Come on, show us at least one lie the professor told, let’s see what you got, or is it as we all suspect just a pile of the Zionist proverbial in your sandyunderpants.
Norman wants to elevate the discussion to a level the suffering people of Palestine deserve. I respect that. Destiny's debate with Richard Wolff exemplified how he lowers the discussion. Wolff was at a different level and had to get in the mud with some arrogant online personality who brought little to the conversation. I don't blame Norman for wanting a more qualified adversary and he has shown he is willing to engage in such a battle as seen with his skirmishes against Benny Morris, Alan Dershowitz, ect. This is the only time where I'll give Murray, Shapiro, Maher, Harris credit is that they're a bit at a higher level than Destiny. Problem is they lack the backbone and won't put their money where their mouth is in debating Finkelstein. They're stupid enough to espouse mindless propaganda but just smart enough to know they can't beat a real intellectual on substance.
hm maybe but benny morris was willing to talk to destiny.
shapiro is going to talk to destiny too.
@@AznDudeIsOnBenny Morris’s caliber does not belong on Destiny. Benocide Shapiro, yeah he does.
@@AznDudeIsOn What's your point? Shapiro and Morris are talking with Destiny who shares their view? That's fundamentally different than a debate that would resemble the anti-intellectual sh*t circus on display when he debated against Richard Wolff and brought the conversation into the mud. Furthermore, Destiny had his chance with Finkelstein and didn't show up. The dude isn't obligated to entertain foolery more than once.
Richard Wolff literally wouldn’t define what socialism is in that debate. Like what are you talking about?
The host needs to research on West Bank including Christian how they are living with daily humiliation killing suffering torture taking separating children from families and keeping in confined cells and starve beating .. no end of it
Another excellent presentation, thank you Eli. Notwithstanding our natural repugnance for what occurred on 7 October, Professor Finkelstein encourages us to take a considered view, weigh all of the antecedent history before settling upon a firm, partisan position. That's a hard sell for Israelis on the receiving end. But reason should trump passion.
Ad to that the testemony of Lieutenant Colonel Nof Erez and members of tank and helicopter squadons, who spoke out about army policy and their actions on the ground, plus surviving hostages Yasmin Porat, Hadas Dagan, Tuval Escapa et al.
Nof Erez even talks about a "mass hannibal"-situation, refering to the hannibal-directive.
If only mainstream media would feature Norman Finkelstein.
Prof Norm the greatest of all time 👑
He is not. Not at all.
I wish more debates were like this. How it should be.
Normal G. Finkelstein deserves a Nobel Peace Prize
Norman Finkelstein is a morally bankrupt apologist for a terrorist group he admits committed atrocities. How does that warrant a "Peace" prize...especially as it's clear he believes Israel deserved October 7th.
Nobel prize !! For whom is telling Truth???? You Must kidding me !!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
His prize is !!! He is NOT in the jail !!!😂😂😂😂
No occupation= No 7 amas. This is what people need to understand. Free Paleatine🇰🇼🇰🇼🇰🇼🇰🇼
Free Kuwait
This just shows how uneducated you are
That's the flag of KWAIT
Wanna now a fact about Kuwait?
They took 350.000 Palestinian refugees, they became 17% of the entire population
When Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, the Palestinians actually SUPPORTED the invasion
The American led coalition defeated the Iraqi army and set kuwait free
The leadership of the country felt betrayed and decided to deport 350.000 Palestinians
lol - this is so far from the truth. none of the middle east wanted Israel as a jewish state in the neighbourhood - all of the middle east except Iran and her proxies now accept Israel. You're looking in the wrong direction. Neither Iran nor Hamas are doing the Palestinians any good whatsoever. This is not a justification for Israelis response to OCT 7 which is clearly beyond excessive.
It means Palstanians right to self determination, self governance, self respect and basic dignity.
There is no excuse for what Israel is doing it's indefensible
There wouldn't be an HAMAS if Gaza was under a brutally oppressive occupation
I love the great professor deeply, it seems like the interviewer is by default arguing from a position in line with those that are pro Israel and constantly throwing up thoughtless questions trying to pin Mr Finklestein as controversial
I came back after finishing the remainder of the video, Eli clearly has a parasite controlling his behaviour and thoughts. Did I hear him call Claudine Gay the president of Hamas? What an awful interviewer
Kid. You’re so lucky he gave you the time of day.
Your last words “of course I don’t agree with everything you say”. Well, nothing you said in this interview made me disagree with anything Norm said.
You can learn from this man. We all can.
I hope you don’t make this a waste of Norm’s time.
Spot on - the young interviewer has a lot to learn. I guess he is trying but as the old saying goes "the proof will be in the pudding"
Agree 100% 🎯
It was an interview. I'm not sure how you can be so condescending in this comment.
what a disgusting, condescending comment to make
Norm is also wrong on so many fronts, if evidence shows this to be the case would you change your mind and disagree with what Norm has said?
Fink is a real one. I greatly respect his integrity, thoroughness, and easily understandable, balanced approach to everything.
Knowledge is power. Thank you, Norman
No.one is as informed about Palestine as Norman.
Actually laughed out loud when he said the intifada was non violent.
The first intifada was initially non-violent.
@@hoomanostovar not really, the first intifada was initiated by violence and it seemed pretty consistent throughout.
It doesn't matter whether it was violent or not, it is a resistance movement against an occupying and oppressing force, which I assume you agree is not anti-semitism.
@@ShoebQ1 I mean, it does matter if Norm is going to claim that it wasn’t despite that being a lie. And yes, I agree, that’s not anti semitic, it’s kind of weird that you even asked.
@@boredom5132sorry I meant to say "genocide against Israel/Jews" as that is what Zionists were claiming when they wanted to ban pro Palestinian protests that were chanting "intifada"
Finally a Jewish professor who knows his stuff. Like! 👍👍
He's a disgrace to the Jewish community
finkelstein is just one of the smartest guys ever.
He’s about as smart as Hamas!
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Oh my God. I am starting to worry about intelligence
much respect for Norman. his intellect is unchallenged.
it is easily challenged and debunked by someone with knowledge of history. He uses his parent's experience to justify his positions. They are rolling in their graves with the shame of their pathetic son.
And yet he runs away from Destiny and got his ass beat benny morris
@@brianwilner3634 What that he says is easily debunked?
@@EmperorDxD A cringe streamer not being worth his time isn't running from him.
@@CrimeEnjoyer no he clearly a coward we are now in. Time where we protection pussy and act like they are correct
Thank you, Prof Norman Finkelstein!
"What do you think Israel was supposed to do?" Is a question that assumes Israel has a right to exist. It doesn't.
Who decided that?
A Question. Would the JEWS in the German Ghettos or "concentration camp" if they escaped and killed Germans, be called terrorists and murders and held accountable or apauded.
What a ridiculous comparison! Gaza is not a concentration camp. Jews who escaped - there weren’t many - did not target German women and children. It’s an insult to the Holocaust survivors
Norman is always insightful.
I think Norman Finkelstein is a very rational individual however it really made me question his views when he said that the second antifada was peaceful
How can he say that.
Good. Listen carefully you will find more things that are false
@@nightflight4191 help us, what else is false?
That’s right. I’ve seen him get interviewed and he constantly uses the same hyperbole. The cue that he’s intellectually dishonest is that he doesn’t really ever dive into why Gaza is a concentration camp, but rather he quotes someone who said it 20 years ago and then proceeds to repeat it ad nauseum.
Thanks.
Douglas Murray refused to debate Finkelstein on TalkTV, knowing he’d get humiliated . This is why channels like this are very important.
Douglass would wipe the floor with this incoherent Frankenstein like lifeform.
@@charleyblack6796 Murray, the fountain of knowledge and columnist of that academic publication The Sun, only takes on limp wristed RUclipsrs.
He’d also have been exposed to receiving funds from Israeli settler groups .
@@charleyblack6796 Murray who writes for The Sun 😂😂😂
@@charleyblack6796 😂😂 Thanks for the laugh.
@@charleyblack6796you should rinse your keyboard with bleach.
The mental gymnastics by this guy is phenomenal. Says hamas might not have ordered the rape and beheadings it might of been the Palestinian civilians. That’s worse. Then it shows the region is in agreement with their actions
No. He is simply saying it was not a part of their operations. Not an objective. He says there MAY have been a rogue individual which is not the same and bear in mind there is zero evidence that rape even happened.
Israel can’t even find any victims of sexual assault as reported by Israeli media. There has been no forensic evidence. They couldn’t even be bothered to do rape kits. All they have is some DUBIOUS accounts by people that have changed their story several times. Those people were not legitimate witnesses. In their screening of their edited worst atrocities committed on the 7th, they couldn’t even show footage of any rapes. That was their own selection of the worst of the worst. Ask yourself, if you are going to use rape as a reason for collective punishment and mass murder, you need better evidence, irrefutable evidence. You need to be sure. In fact it should be treated in the same way the legal institutions would - with EVIDENCE. I do not believe rapes happened. And even if it did, I don’t recall that genocide of a whole group of people was the usual sentence for rape.
There is NO justification for killing not one single innocent person.