Can't believe the incompetence in GM is allowing such an awesome automobile such as the Camaro to be killed off without any kind of hesitation or regards to it's faithful followers! This just saddens me to the core! These government mandates are quite simply BS and they could care less about the environment with as much pollution as they continue to disperse is just mind boggling! Save the Camaro campaign to start now! Who's with me?📜✏️
Same with Dodge killing off the Challenger and Charger v8 Hemis. It’s ridiculous to think they’re hard-core fans are gonna buy electric vehicles, not gonna happen!
The Zl1 should go against the M3/M4. Of course the AWD in the M3 will give it an advantage, but putting it in RWD and racing it against the Zl1 would be a good race!
The guy driving the M2 wasn't shifting on point and it seemed like he wasn't in sport plus traction off and launch control on. Also think about weight to power ratio it should have been way closer 🤔
I don’t really understand the point of this race. It’s not really difficult to win if you got 200 hp more. Requires zero skills. If you buy the BMW you get a premium product with nice interior quality. If you buy the Camaro you get, well a cheaper feeling car. That’s why the BMW is more expensive.
Watching this video man you gotta let these bmw get in the right gear looks like in the room race as soon as hee started hee had to shift 🤷🏾♂️ anyway good race
Fastest car I've ever tested...that's tough for me. Nissan GTR, Lambo Huracan Performante, Tesla Model S P100D, Ferrari 488 pista, BMW M4 CS, Mercedes GT and a few others. Depends on the day, track conditions, fuel type, temp, humidity.
It definitely retards timing and cuts fuel, but it is significantly faster than not using it. When driving an automated manual dct or pdk type, they both do this as well. The reason this is beneficial is that it allows one to keep the rpms high and on forced induction vehicles it keeps boost up. There is no comparison.
There's a 200 HP difference here, so I'm not sure what the point of this video was. The zl1 should have gapped the m2 in every race. I'd still take the m2 though
I will never understand why y’all keep doing rolls at 30 mph. No car is in its boost zones at freaking 30mph. Everytime you race a turbo vs a NA you are doing the turbo dirty and injustice. It should be a 40-45 roll
There is no rocket science involved in this comparison it’s as basic as the beginning of racing more power wins and in this case much more power! The M2 just looks so much better in my opinion
This is one of the most uneven matches! I have a 2023 camaro ss N/A 455hp and iv ran the BMW M2 we are dead even or I usually win this is just pointless! 😂
You haven’t raced the new M2, quit your lying, it would smoke a regular SS. The Camaro in the video is a ZL1, with 650hp and the M2 still did a good job of keeping up. Your SS would loose by bud lengths. The last M2 and new M2 are in different levels of performance.
ZL1 1LE manual for me. I can't get over the looks of the new M2. It seems like an unfinished design, both in person and from pictures/videos. The last gen M2 is such a beautiful car. Now this one is heavier than an M3😅
In terms of daily drivability and looks, I would still take the new m2 ,it doesn't look unfinished in any way. Looks great in person, especially in black, and way better interior than the zl1 without a doubt
@@chrism869 I prefer the last gen BMW interior. New one has too few buttons and I don’t like going into the screen with many clicks just to change something basic. It still has a better interior than American cars. The M2 makes me want to vomit when I see it in person. It is already on sale with lots of them sitting in the dealer lot. It is your money. Buy anything you like.
Getting a v8 to barely beat straight 6 that was co developed by Toyota is a joke. The b58 is considered to be the modern 2jz. Bmw has shot up right next to toyota in reliability ever since they dropped the b58/s58 in over half their models. There's enough people driving v8 pickup trucks that don't even use em for utility and there's enough v8 muscle cars on the road just to get gapped by 4 bangers. V8 are only good at being obnoxiously loud and being the best in polluting our air quality.
Sorry but you cannot pretend to be watched some races like that.. +150bhp and huge amount of torque difference between cars at pretty much same weight and same transmission type. The results were as ANYONE could expect.
Getting a v8 to barely beat straight 6 that was co developed by Toyota is a joke. The b58 is considered to be the modern 2jz. Bmw has shot up right next to toyota in reliability ever since they dropped the b58/s58 in over half their models. There's enough people driving v8 pickup trucks that don't even use em for utility and there's enough v8 muscle cars on the road just to get gapped by 4 bangers. V8 are only good at being obnoxiously loud and being the best in polluting our air quality.
@@salninethousand2496 Agreed 💯. Unfortunately with every video on RUclips you have to consider everybody's skill level when racing and doing car reviews especially if you're in the market for a certain model.
The automatic ZL1 is a lot better . I love manual as much as the next person but when it comes to racing, the automatic shifts way faster and smoother .
I have the Cadillac with the same engine as the Camaro, but auto, because I deal w/ City traffic congestion. Had a BMW M2C & far prefer the sheer power & sound of the V8; have zero desire to go back to BMW. Would consiser a used 650i as a project car, but that’s about it.
If you go into a BMW dealership and tell them that you'd like a BMW M5 for what you'd pay for a ZL1, please make sure you record it. Tell them it's "a fair comparison".
it's zee - L1! American Muscle prevails once again. No better Muscle Car out there for the money. So happy I was able to get my '23 2SS 1LE Manual in the middle of June. What a great ride!
Zl1 would be faster around a track too. Just all around a better car in looks and performance. The BMW has a nicer interior if you're into that sort of thing.
I don't even know why your racing these 2 cars. There is no way that would have been that close. 453 probably closer to 400hp in the M2, slightly lighter and your going up against a ZL1 with 650hp.. LOL C'mon man! there is no scenario this would be that close. The ZL1 would have that thing by 10 car lengths easy. A Camaro SS vs the M2 would be a fair fight. I still love the looks of the M2, the side profile is sick. I own a C7 Corvette by the way.. Its supercharged, 7 spd manual. That M2 would have no shot! I just love all sports cars..
So sad, the bmw has 450 and that zl1 has 650hp...GM sucks, put 650 in the m2 and itll be gap city for the m2. Kudos to the zl1 though for uh...having 200 more hp and twice the liters 😂
If I had the means, I would build an inline w6 (I guess it might not be inline anymore maybe?). I'm not an engineer or a physicist but I'm super curious to know if this would get the balanced benefits of a straight 6 (not sure how much is lost due to the w configuration) with the light weight of a W (reduced weight materials of shorter block/heads, etc) and the ability to place the motor further back towards the driver for better weight distribution (%/%). Any math guys/engineers/physicists in the comments section?
more than twice the displacement and is only 100 lbs heavier, logic says it shouldn't trounce the BMW but... pathetic domestic carmakers, as always, bark more than they bite. The chevy just beat the M2.
while they may be in the same price range and speed, I don't think too many people are cross shopping these 2 cars. They're def for very different types of people.
I would say that your comment is ultra accurate.....however I am here because I am cross shopping these two cars. Coming from a G80M3. I have always wanted to grab a ZL1.
I’m a German car guy, but I’d take the ZL1 here.
Ofc, i would do the same and i am also german.
Can't believe the incompetence in GM is allowing such an awesome automobile such as the Camaro to be killed off without any kind of hesitation or regards to it's faithful followers! This just saddens me to the core! These government mandates are quite simply BS and they could care less about the environment with as much pollution as they continue to disperse is just mind boggling! Save the Camaro campaign to start now! Who's with me?📜✏️
They don't care about their customers period and also give the ss and zl1 more horses
I love Gm vehicles but they irritate me as a company.
This car was released in 2017 too 6 years ago imagine where it would be if they actually gave a crap and kept making it better
It is up to us to vote in peeps that will undo the so called mandates. Politicians are invested in the ev bs so it will be hard but it can be done.
Same with Dodge killing off the Challenger and Charger v8 Hemis. It’s ridiculous to think they’re hard-core fans are gonna buy electric vehicles, not gonna happen!
All day take the M2!
Cannot wait for you to do a NISM⭕ Z vs Supra rematch
The Zl1 should go against the M3/M4. Of course the AWD in the M3 will give it an advantage, but putting it in RWD and racing it against the Zl1 would be a good race!
We did it :)
@@SamCarLegion I gotta watch it ASAP!
The m3 doesn’t have much more power does it?
Watching this as a zl1 driver is sick but some good shifting would’ve made the bus between the m2 to a train length
This was good but need driver mods. A ZL1 running 12s in 1/4, yeah I’ve seen this stock car at drag strip constantly running 11.5.
The guy driving the M2 wasn't shifting on point and it seemed like he wasn't in sport plus traction off and launch control on. Also think about weight to power ratio it should have been way closer 🤔
🔥🔥🔥 Great content as always Sam!
This m2 has done 12.3 in prvious races on same track.. this driver was not shifting gears properly..
I don’t really understand the point of this race. It’s not really difficult to win if you got 200 hp more. Requires zero skills. If you buy the BMW you get a premium product with nice interior quality. If you buy the Camaro you get, well a cheaper feeling car. That’s why the BMW is more expensive.
Where did you get those floor covers in the ZL1?
how is this a fair comparison? the Camaro has like 200hp over the M2.
Why does it look like there are paddle shifters on the Zl1?? M2 all day by the way.
It's a goofy look for sure, but that's how you turn rev matching on and off. I'm guessing it was GM's attempt at saving a nickel.
Can you do Lexus LC500 vs M4 G82 please
Watching this video man you gotta let these bmw get in the right gear looks like in the room race as soon as hee started hee had to shift 🤷🏾♂️ anyway good race
ZL1 4th gear is so powerful
That guy don’t know how to drive that bmw. 🤣
The SS1LE would have been a better comparison
On straight lane, not a difference
He short-shifted the Camaro. I stopped watching after that.
Put them on a racetrack like hockenheim....goodbye camaro 😂
ZL1 ran a 7:13 on the ring its eating the M2 alive on track
@@shots998right this guy doesn’t have a clue!!!!
The m2 doesn't look like it's even racing lpl
12.2 in the quater? It a 10 sec car all day long
No prep
I didn’t know you could get a ZL1 in a communist country
If you can get it in a fascist country like yours.
@@SamCarLegion 😂 I love your channel
Ahora el indu que manejaba el camaro malísimo jaja
Where are my bmw fine boys …m2 all the way
Yes sir ,m2 all the way also
lol
The bmw with just an ecu tune will leave the zl1 in the dust
schlecht gemacht
I tried the automatic version of the ZL1 last summer. Fastest car I've tested. That was insane.
Fastest car I've ever tested...that's tough for me. Nissan GTR, Lambo Huracan Performante, Tesla Model S P100D, Ferrari 488 pista, BMW M4 CS, Mercedes GT and a few others. Depends on the day, track conditions, fuel type, temp, humidity.
@@xorbitmanpreach
@@coreypatterson1386are y’all dense?
@@xorbitman which one was the fastest for you or scariest?
@@xorbitmanexcept from m4, all the other cars are on a different league 😅 and cost double if not triple!
I’ve driven both the sound and feel in the Camaro wins me over every time.
Sorry to say but both drivers, one harder than the other, should practice gear shifting…..
Should have taken advantage of the 'no lift shif' in the ZL1 and the difference would have been substantial.
Hey he definitely didn't use that cars full potential that's for sure
No lift shift pulls timing and slows the car down.
It definitely retards timing and cuts fuel, but it is significantly faster than not using it. When driving an automated manual dct or pdk type, they both do this as well. The reason this is beneficial is that it allows one to keep the rpms high and on forced induction vehicles it keeps boost up. There is no comparison.
There's a 200 HP difference here, so I'm not sure what the point of this video was. The zl1 should have gapped the m2 in every race. I'd still take the m2 though
M2 is a chick car bro.
@@stangedude5646 first time I hear anyone say that
@@jp23x It's not masculine at all. I would buy something like that for my daughter.
@@stangedude5646💀😭, it is kind of bubbly looking though.
I would take the M2. Much higher quality car , not even close
Zl needs a driver mod
Need to race auto cars The ZL1 would have won by like 6 more cars
ZL1 is one of the baddest cars ever made no doubt. Love it . 6m too heel yeah
Você não sabe o que diz. Fica quietinho no seu canto fan boy!
Well if there was an actual real driver in the camaro it would have put bus lengths on the bmw... and thats coming from a person that hates chevys
I have a 23 ZL1 Convertible 6 speed. And man it was the best decision in my life! The sound and speed is remarkable.
zl1 is obviously going to win
I will never understand why y’all keep doing rolls at 30 mph. No car is in its boost zones at freaking 30mph. Everytime you race a turbo vs a NA you are doing the turbo dirty and injustice. It should be a 40-45 roll
That's a stock model M2, I'd like to see how well that Camaro would do against the M4 Competition.
Feeling hurts maybe 😂😂😂
Zl1 would lose to a m4 comp or m3 comp. But the zl1 is a beast of a car.
@@Jewnbug1It beat a 453 hp M2, so it must be a beast of a car.
@PHenry-wn3li that m2 weights nothing .. weight plays a big number .. don't need tons of power when you way little
@@Jewnbug1Given the option, I'll take that M2 all the time, every time.
I own a 2022 ZL1/1LE six speed manual. If I was up against a twin turbo beamer, I would have been in Track mode. 🇺🇸
There is no rocket science involved in this comparison it’s as basic as the beginning of racing more power wins and in this case much more power! The M2 just looks so much better in my opinion
This is one of the most uneven matches! I have a 2023 camaro ss N/A 455hp and iv ran the BMW M2 we are dead even or I usually win this is just pointless! 😂
You haven’t raced the new M2, quit your lying, it would smoke a regular SS. The Camaro in the video is a ZL1, with 650hp and the M2 still did a good job of keeping up. Your SS would loose by bud lengths. The last M2 and new M2 are in different levels of performance.
ZL1 1LE manual for me. I can't get over the looks of the new M2. It seems like an unfinished design, both in person and from pictures/videos. The last gen M2 is such a beautiful car. Now this one is heavier than an M3😅
In terms of daily drivability and looks, I would still take the new m2 ,it doesn't look unfinished in any way. Looks great in person, especially in black, and way better interior than the zl1 without a doubt
@@chrism869 I prefer the last gen BMW interior. New one has too few buttons and I don’t like going into the screen with many clicks just to change something basic. It still has a better interior than American cars. The M2 makes me want to vomit when I see it in person. It is already on sale with lots of them sitting in the dealer lot. It is your money. Buy anything you like.
I'm with you...BMW has lost it's luster and I just can't get myself to care about 99% of their offerings now.
Well how do you feel about the G80/82? Do you feel that once the M2 gets a comp or a CS they would change it enough for it to be a “finished design”?
Getting a v8 to barely beat straight 6 that was co developed by Toyota is a joke. The b58 is considered to be the modern 2jz. Bmw has shot up right next to toyota in reliability ever since they dropped the b58/s58 in over half their models. There's enough people driving v8 pickup trucks that don't even use em for utility and there's enough v8 muscle cars on the road just to get gapped by 4 bangers. V8 are only good at being obnoxiously loud and being the best in polluting our air quality.
Sorry but you cannot pretend to be watched some races like that.. +150bhp and huge amount of torque difference between cars at pretty much same weight and same transmission type. The results were as ANYONE could expect.
Getting a v8 to barely beat straight 6 that was co developed by Toyota is a joke. The b58 is considered to be the modern 2jz. Bmw has shot up right next to toyota in reliability ever since they dropped the b58/s58 in over half their models. There's enough people driving v8 pickup trucks that don't even use em for utility and there's enough v8 muscle cars on the road just to get gapped by 4 bangers. V8 are only good at being obnoxiously loud and being the best in polluting our air quality.
Omg, respectfully disagree with everything.
@@thecarpergarage916 You can disagree but, everything i said was pretty logical.
The M4 completion or M5 would have been a more fair fight
i would have rather seen the M4 that's always been the german camaro equivalent
To the untrained eye this race seemed close but with a skilled driver in the Camaro it will put a bus length on the G Series every race
I mean the 10speed would do better
@@qKJp🤮
I like the effort but sometimes the shifting/driving on this channel drives me nuts!
@@salninethousand2496 Agreed 💯. Unfortunately with every video on RUclips you have to consider everybody's skill level when racing and doing car reviews especially if you're in the market for a certain model.
Bmw m2 did an 11.9 on carwow. And 12.6 on here. BMW should of won
The automatic ZL1 is a lot better . I love manual as much as the next person but when it comes to racing, the automatic shifts way faster and smoother .
I love stick shift it’s trash here in the city bumper to bumper and I have bad knees 😂I’d take auto 4sho
*faster for sure. But absolutely not better
The auto M2 is also much faster.
@@freshnugget2099 details: better for racing, not preference
@kychristell1779 details : better for racing, not preferences
Any reason why no one is using no lift shift in the camaro...
The owner can barely shift without it and Sam didn't want to dog the Camaro out
@@supersportlt1lol!
@@supersportlt1No lift shift doesn’t dog the Camaro out, though; it’s programmed into the car to be able to handle it without problems.
@@danieldickerson4838 I agree.
I would love to see the Camaro ZL1 VS Corvette C8, BMW M4 and the BMW M8
I have the Cadillac with the same engine as the Camaro, but auto, because I deal w/ City traffic congestion. Had a BMW M2C & far prefer the sheer power & sound of the V8; have zero desire to go back to BMW. Would consiser a used 650i as a project car, but that’s about it.
Thank you for your reviews. I thought the M2 would be lighter by several hundred pounds. I was wrong.
The previous generation was, this new one is on M4 platform which is ridiculous :/
The sound of the M2 is nothing more than a bad joke.
An unfair comparison in terms of horsepower difference. A fair comparison is the ZL1 vs BMW M5
Your comparison is like wayyyyyyyyu offffff. A rwd coupe vs an awd sedan 😂😂😂😂
If you go into a BMW dealership and tell them that you'd like a BMW M5 for what you'd pay for a ZL1, please make sure you record it. Tell them it's "a fair comparison".
Great video love that amazing zl1 Camaro
it's zee - L1! American Muscle prevails once again. No better Muscle Car out there for the money. So happy I was able to get my '23 2SS 1LE Manual in the middle of June. What a great ride!
ZL1 >> M2,3,4
👍👍👍👍👍
Zl1 would be faster around a track too. Just all around a better car in looks and performance. The BMW has a nicer interior if you're into that sort of thing.
Bmw m2 did an 11.9 quarter mile on carwow and a 12.6 here? It should be faster then the camaro if the driver wasn't ass
That BMW exhaust sounds like a Ford Taurus by comparison.
if you can put mph as well it would be nice to see mph differences as well.
May as well add the 60 ft. times and reaction times too to get the complete picture . . .
It's not fair, the camaro has a supercharger and the m2 is not fair, it would be a m3 gtr that has a turbo charger and make things even.
Too big of a difference in hp , not interesting, should have raced the m3 m4 not m2.
I don't even know why your racing these 2 cars. There is no way that would have been that close. 453 probably closer to 400hp in the M2, slightly lighter and your going up against a ZL1 with 650hp.. LOL C'mon man! there is no scenario this would be that close. The ZL1 would have that thing by 10 car lengths easy. A Camaro SS vs the M2 would be a fair fight. I still love the looks of the M2, the side profile is sick. I own a C7 Corvette by the way.. Its supercharged, 7 spd manual. That M2 would have no shot! I just love all sports cars..
It would be helpful if the other guy knew how to shift correctly 🤨
Who ? ZL1 or m2 ?
Ah crap, are these those guys who don't know ANYTHING about driving and can't shift faster than my mother?
I gotta block this channel, man
So sad, the bmw has 450 and that zl1 has 650hp...GM sucks, put 650 in the m2 and itll be gap city for the m2. Kudos to the zl1 though for uh...having 200 more hp and twice the liters 😂
If I had the means, I would build an inline w6 (I guess it might not be inline anymore maybe?). I'm not an engineer or a physicist but I'm super curious to know if this would get the balanced benefits of a straight 6 (not sure how much is lost due to the w configuration) with the light weight of a W (reduced weight materials of shorter block/heads, etc) and the ability to place the motor further back towards the driver for better weight distribution (%/%). Any math guys/engineers/physicists in the comments section?
if i am considering a ZL1, My backup thoughts would not be an M2. This comparison makes zero sense. But I watch for the racing. Not the comparison!
M2 automatic much quicker. I have driven both. I also have had mclaren 720S....Aventador S. 992 Turbo S....huracsn evo....I know my cars. 😉
Zl1 is awsome. Steering wheel and visibility can go though. Not much you can do about the latter.
more than twice the displacement and is only 100 lbs heavier, logic says it shouldn't trounce the BMW but... pathetic domestic carmakers, as always, bark more than they bite. The chevy just beat the M2.
was just driving the m2 in forza now i see this💪looks like a lego car to me but still beautiful
That’s a detuned M3/4. Shouldn’t a ZL1 be crushing that car
Oh wait I just saw the second run
Nevermind
Not a fear comparison what's next a ford f150 raptor with your neighbors Chrysler minivan
Should probably at least race an M2 Comp when it comes out. A better match up would be an M4 Comp.
Watch the warm up... dude in the M2 couldn't use a clutch. The 2nd and 3rd gear was horrible 😂
And BTW the Camaro is in another league even though the car from the country with the best engineers on the planet costs more…
With that much horsepower difference a proper comparison would be the m4 competition.
M2 starts from 65 grands and ZL1 from 76!
Not a good comparison, are you expecting the M2 to perform a miracle with much less bhp
Why not take on an M5 CS that would be a better race and you always drive the car that has a better chance of winning.
The M2 didn't stand a chance with the HP difference.
The ZL1 will go 0-60 mph in 1st gear. Try the same race in 1st gear.
İt's look like a someone who wants revenge to the BMW 😅 m2 is not compere to the Zl1🎉
They jacked up the price by $10000 for 2024 ZL1
That's completely crazy😮
I think best thing is drag race first and roll race second if you don’t mind
Dude, you guys do not know how to drive the Camaro at all.
At almost the same price the Camaro ZL1 is better in every aspect 🏆
while they may be in the same price range and speed, I don't think too many people are cross shopping these 2 cars. They're def for very different types of people.
I would say that your comment is ultra accurate.....however I am here because I am cross shopping these two cars. Coming from a G80M3. I have always wanted to grab a ZL1.
I swear the zl1 is suc a beautiful car i am ford fans but zl1 is so so beautiful i love it
that boy in the M2 doing some slooow shifting. What is up with him???
i love bmws i hate the new m2 ill take the Cam over that m2 any time of the day
Why not put the Zl1 against the M6 would be more evenly matched.
They don’t make the M6 anymore 😅
Who tf race these cars😂😂 lemme see u against the competition
I would take either one they both are good with mods too lol if that is not fast enough lol 💯👍💪
The auto M2 runs a 11.7 1/4
11.9 without a prepped surface!
On this channel it's always the same. They make meaningless races, 1 car with 200 horsepower difference is obvious that it will win 👎🏻
Your argument is useless- these two are around same price range, both 2 doors both rwd etc. Just say you hate seeing the M2 lose 😂😂
Not a fair race 8cyc. Chevy versus 6 in BMW. Try a M5 Competition. Chevy won't be shot at the finish line
Yes let’s race a 150k m5 to a 80 chevy camaro 😂😂😂