What a wonderful experience thank you Misha! Just to clarify the transmission issue is entirely my fault. I've done countless laps in other racetracks without stopping and overheating but this time I sent the car to a mechanic I shouldn't have and they did an awful job replacing my transmission oil, didn't drain the old oil properly and overfilled with new oil. Weirdly the transmission never did overheat in automatic performance shift mode. I will fix this issue and do some more upgrades to the car and hopefully I'll take it to the ring again with Misha.
Transmission issues aside. We could all see from the gigantic smile on your face that you were having the time of your life. in my opinion. Worth it. Sweet ride BTW.
The 1LE has a different Oil pan with a smaller stand pipe, so it does not hold as much fluid as the ZL1 transmission. Thats to reduce heat. I have a ZL1 with OEM Aero running at 840 hp. My engine oil gets kinda hot by that power. When I track on hockenheimring my max. trans temp is max. 95°C. (maybe because of less shifts or staying in auto). Do you know what temps for oil and trans you have on track? Chevy also recommends using 15W-50 engine oil on the zl1 and on the 1LE its even required by the G-Forces you have with its aero and tires.
@@cw_zl1I used to do 95 max 105 degress but now it goes from 95 immediately to max then cools down within the minute. Im taking the car to a shop in Austria or Geiger cars in Munich for a check up whoever is available first.
I'd presume that because giving the shift command manually is unexpected for the car it has to deal with a harsher shift than when it decides on it's own when to shift. Just a guess though.
@@jamesclark4My Ford 6R80 is way worse than my GM 10 Speed Allison, the 6060 Manual in my Camaro is amazing not sure why anyone would buy an automatic muscle car lol
It had a capristo exhaust, stock svj is surprisingly quiet and most aftermarket ones aren’t super loud. The crazy loud videos you see and shooting huge flames are with the gintani exhaust with cat delete.
I thought about it. How often does one get to experince riding in their car as a passenger on the track vs being the driver? A totally different experience.
Simple solution for the noise limit and LT4: Don´t rev it, torque it. My delta says it´s not much difference between shifting at 5.000 or 6.000 (131db). And it saves a lot uf fuel 😉
Yeah it clearly had pleeeeenty of torque. Holding it near redline makes for a great video, but if all you want to do is go out on the track and have fun you can minimize shifting to keep heat out of the trans and just enjoy that torque...
So this is not a 1LE..... its a ZL1 with 1LE aero. Its missing some stuff as in solid bushings, DSSV dampers, 19x11/19x12 rims. The 1LE also comes with larger brake rotors and pads. Title should be adjusted.
Yeah, I could tell immediately. The key way to spot a true ZL1 1LE is by looking at the strut towers underneath the hood, and the shocks. If both are blue, you’ve got a genuine ZLE. Don’t get it twisted, the ZL1 is still a beast on the track, and is much more friendly on the road as well. However, the ZL1 1LE may as well be a different car in the way it goes about road course duty. The latter was built for the *sole* purpose of track work, hence the DSSV dampers, the solid bushings, the lightweight wheels, thinner rear glass, Pratt n Miller designed aero, easily adjustable suspension/camber, and pizza-sized rotors.
Was and still is quite a normal accessory for US cars - in the US you often got instructions like "drive route 66 westbound" - while here in Germany you just get a city name to get in the right direction (like "A1 Richtung Köln").
Have a 2022 ZL1 1LE , have tracked it several times with the Goodyear SC3R. Car has never overheated, even on 90 degree track days. 1LE package comes with DSSV shocks and 10 speed auto. Brakes are good but need to change brake fluid at end or start of track season. Went with Hawk DTC 70 pads this year. Braking is amazing.
@@Slurpee_12 Any 1LE either SS or ZL1 was available in auto starting in 2019 or 2020.. from 2016-2018 was only manual.. Which is the only way a 1LE should be ordered..
@@Clutch_Kick187 I'm not sure about the SS 1LE, but an automatic ZL1 has been available since it debuted, in 2017. The ZL1 1LE debuted in 2018, and was only available in a manual. The automatic for the ZL1 1LE has been available since 2019.
@@Clutch_Kick187 The SS 1LE did not get an automatic transmission option until the 2021 model year, the ZL1 1LE got the automatic option for the 2019 model year and beyond. Also the guy you’re replying to wasn’t saying you couldn’t get a 1LE with an automatic they were saying the automatic transmission does not come with the 1LE package, which is correct. The original commenter said the 1LE package “comes with the DSSV shocks and 10-speed auto” which is false, the automatic is an extra cost option unrelated to the 1LE package.
Not a 1LE, Misha, but the “standard” ZL1 is still very much a BEAST on the track! The *proper* ZL1 1LE is the undisputed track weapon for Camaros. Lookout for the blue strut towers, DSSV dampers, 19 inch lightweight wheels, and R comps to more easily spot a genuine 1LE👍🏽👍🏽.
to be honest I'd love to see misha try a 2015 Z/28 on the ring... naturally aspirated 7l is probably more fun (and balanced) than the supercharged beast.
@@ezpz4659 Keep the chrome sliders clean, look after them. Keep the seals lubed. I have a few of the original MRC shocks used on the HSVs in Aussie as early tests for that tech (they are basically the same platform as the camaro). They will pop and when they pop you are spending a decent coilover set per corner...
The ZL1 1LE originally ONLY came in 6-speed manual, as it should be. Sadly they eventually (2019 I think) sold out to the people who can't shift for themselves and started offering the new automatic.
Im surprised the PCM let it keep going well past the point of flaring on shifts. It should go into limp mode wayyy before it gets that hot. Those clutches probably lost at least half their normal lifespan (if not all of it) in just a lap. Definitely a failure of the cars powertrain protections.
Good catch. At the start it shifts 6500, typical, LT/LS shift point for the 6.2s. Later around 9 mins it starts flashing to 7k+ until the shift denied issues.
6,500 RPM -> 5,500 RPM , only drops 1000 RPM after an upshift and it has to keep doing those shifts pretty much all the time at high RPM. It held up pretty well regardless. Including the engine which is a more traditional V8 that doesn't like (or need) high RPM, constantly near redline because of short gearing. And owner commented it was due to poor transmission maintenance/service from a shop, so considering that, held up quite well.
ZL's with A10 get hot at the track. Forum's say that the biggest culprit is actual the engine oil getting to 300F. The engine, trans, differential share the engine coolant, so, if the engine gets super hot, it's heating your coolant, which is reducing its capacity to chill the ATF, in turn. Add an auxiliary engine oil cooler. Similarly, don't turn on the heat in the cabin, because, you'll just be adding more heat to the coolant thru the heater core, instead turn on the A/C to try to chill the coolant passing thru the cabin. GM says to change the ATF every 15 track hours, and changed the check requirements, for the 2020+ models, check the ATF at 172 F instead of previously 212 F. Some argue that over fill ATF is causing issues, however, don't bleed the ATF when it's hot or it'll risk being too low on ATF.
Trans fluid is overfilled/underfilled most likely. IT NEEDS TO BE PERFECTLY FILLED! Level service and exact amount refilled. The trans is shifting like crap!
Those LT4s don't like RPM. Try targeting 3500-4000 at the bottom end and 5800 at the shift. It serves well to keep the heat out of the engine oil, intercooler and trans. The supercharger makes crazy low end torque.
I did two laps the day after this video was filmed and the car was fine in automatic mode, transmission temp never went beyond 100 degress celsius. It just needs a new oil change to fix the overfill issue.
@@situationunchanged9733 try alexandra ftom the botez sisters screaming ANDRRREEEEAAAAAAA !!! thats about 165db. you'd need a 25KW car sound system to reach that 🤣
EVERY SINGLE TIME…first the corvette Z06 and now this lol! So weird! I have never ever seen the 10 speed overheat 🤔…the 17-18 had a downshift algorithm issue they fixed in the later models…I would LOVE to see what you could do with my 22 M6 ZL1…you’ve had the most problems with them…I swear these cars are amazing 😅…. Might need to get that trans fluid level checked 🤷🏼♂️
The 1LE version of the Camaro was deemed illegal in Germany because of the carbon fiber canards on the sides of the bumper....while the normal ZL1 is just fine. Even the C7 ZR1 was banned from sale in Germany because the hood cowl was 1/8th of an inch too high for the pedestrian safety guidelines....LOL
14:09 till 14:16, there's your answer, When a car produces 900NM you don't need to wrap it around the red line in every gear constantly, you could have kept the Engine between 3000 and 5500-6000rpm and it would have been just as quick, and kept the noise down to a reasonable level not to get banned. After all Misha, you know where all the noise pick-up points are around the Ring. you naughty boy, behave yourself. LOL Awesome content. Enjoyed watching as always
It’s a common thing with the ZL1 I have one from 2013 it just needs a transmission cooler, because when you keep going from 3rd to 4th and back again it overheats the trans when your pushing it on the track 11:54
It’s amazing how this guy just gets in cars he’s never driven before and can drive them like he’s been testing it all week to find the limits and understand how it reacts. It takes 1 lap but even the first lap he does a great job warming up the tires and stuff without driving too carefully.
Everytime you drive cars with high torque you keep downshifting in 2nd gear and I can't understand why. Im pretty sure you loose couple seconds everytime and work the transmission more then it should just to rev 6k to 7k
** what was that dash display at 8:01 saying "Information -- Shift Denied"?? there's a "Dismiss" button under it, but there must've been a hidden "IGNORE" button under Misha's foot
Use a heat wrap on the exhaust as it passes near the transmission and differential. Any sort of heat wrap you can use really, and the entire length of the exhaust if you can. Also, perhaps fit a heat shield between the exhaust and transmission. Ditto for the exhaust and differential.
wraps are dumb as they can cause condensation, rusting etc. heat shields are used by OEMs for this reason. You never see OEM wraps. Ceramic coating also helps inside.
@@N4CR Well I don't necessarily disagree with you on the tape wraps, but if it was my only option towards saving a 10-speed automatic transmission worth thousands of dollars I would take it. There are other style wraps that are metal based and adhere to the exhaust. Not sure where they placed the heat shields from the factory on this car but I'll bet there is none shielding the transmission from the exhaust. The definition of ceramic coating on exhausts has broadened over the years. To me, only the very thick ones are worth it. Those are not painted on but deposited on via a different process and is expensive. But at that point, road debris, rock, pebbles, etc could damage it.
I don’t think it will beat hypercars but supers, it’s definitely going to be a tough fighter against and contender against a la Ferrari once the zera comes out
@@captain_context9991 Sport Auto damn near ran the same Ring lap time as the 918 Spyder, with a C7 Z06 (7.13). I wouldn't say anything is "wild" or being "overestimating". I've mainly seen people underestimate the Vette platform my entire life.
Manual mode on dyno with my a10 1le was 30hp less that's a bunch of drag, performance shift mode for 1hr+ on track it didn't miss a beat. But 1le a10 have a deep sump pan. Brakes on regular zl1 have backing plate that need to be removed for track prep, and in heavy braking tracks addition of ct5bw brake cooling scoops and a fluid swap cures the brakes.
Just put quieter mufflers on, with an electronic exhaust cut out in front of them.. when they go to check the db, keep the cut it closed. Once on the track, open it up if you think it’s hurting your power output.
So I got out of a REF charge a month ago in California….cops said my exhaust was above the db limit at rpm and I counter by saying the car was above the db level while traveling at rpm and speed regardless of the exhaust…judge gave me 7 days to prove it and I did the following day…the sound of the car was higher than the db of the exhaust while traveling 45mph ( after it was fixed ) and the judge through out the ticket…and no I wasn’t going to replace my exhaust I just closed my sylinoids
Yea. If the fluid is too hot it gets too thin and the torque converter will slip. The end really wear down the trans. User manual even says when that warning shows up, immediately go in park and let the engine run to cool down the trans.
Overheating Trans, it happens with intense track driving, solution is to add a additional external coolerwith fan after the primary, only draw back it will take a bit longer to warm the trans to driving temp on cold days
on which days can you drive on the gp track? I am looking forward to come to nurburgring and I wanna know some good info's before i actually come there
Oh yeah this one is definitely louder. I wear headphones when I watch youtube and I had to turn down the sound which I never do while watching your content as I love to hear the engines go through the power bands. Shame we couldnt see it just go crazy. Many American cars need oil and trans coolers. I know Cleetus had to put them on his crown vics. Hopefully one day we will get to see one of these cars finally go full throttle.
They tell people hear in a America that peoples race cars are to loud for the race track. It's a race car and yes it is going to be loud without street exhaust and mufflers. It is usually because people buy houses next to a race track and get mad when they hear race cars. Well you moved next to a race track what did you think was going to happen?
Test drove an auto Corvette to see if I could come around to one since they're so much easier to find than manuals. First time I saw "Shift Denied" I laughed and knew, nope, no way. I want to drive my car, thanks.
I daily an SS 1LE 22 and I know exactly how great this car handles and eats corners, If gas was cheaper where I live id def have went for the ZL1. Wont sell it for anything.
Watched this video for the first time today and was following the racing lines that Misha takes from the parking lot to the first corner of the starting line where the race clock starts… was like oh shit you missed the corner, it turned out to be the GP circuit. 😮😅
The car doesn’t have the stock airbox but cold air inductions carbon elite intake kit. I am wondering if it is also tuned. Transmission heating up is interesting, normally this car comes with all coolers from the factory for track use. Another reason to get manual over automatic i guess 😂
@@Clutch_Kick187only the SS 1LE has extra cooling stop with all the fake info it literally takes 2 seconds to google if the ZL1 1LE has extra cooling compared to normal ZL1
@@stoerenungeheuer543 why have a car that fast if it's stop and go traffic is a concern? Personally I don't mind being stuck in traffic with manuals, I just get into the "slow lane" (whatever side that is in your country) and take my time.
@@volvo09 We got no official "slow lane" in Germany but you need to drive on the right lane if not overtaking on the Autobahn. I just find Automatic more relaxing in stop and go, but of course I learned to drive with a manual car and this is my favorite in the end. Even had the direct comparison of a c70 with and without automatic. Manual is more sporty. Whatever, best regards.
Ford mustang boss has a metal air scoop that sits just below its transmission to help keep it from overheating. I don't really care for any Ford of any kind but I did make my own air scoop out of eighth inch aluminum and mounted it on a cross member so it sits in between the exhaust and transmission and I gotta say it works perfectly. I have a 2018 Silverado that has a trannie that gets way too hot but not any more. Check into it my guy, you won't be disappointed with the results.
@MishaCharoudin use the tq of the motor and lower the RPM's when not hard accelerating to keep the trans temp down. The car owner also might want to wrap the exhaust in header wrap near the trans and trans cooler lines to keep the heat in the exhaust as well as an extra trans cooler.
install transmission cooling system with external oil cooler and pump plus some vents at underbody cooling the transmission case. This car is a absolute beast and micha pushed it. really love it. My Next car for sure!
What a wonderful experience thank you Misha! Just to clarify the transmission issue is entirely my fault. I've done countless laps in other racetracks without stopping and overheating but this time I sent the car to a mechanic I shouldn't have and they did an awful job replacing my transmission oil, didn't drain the old oil properly and overfilled with new oil. Weirdly the transmission never did overheat in automatic performance shift mode. I will fix this issue and do some more upgrades to the car and hopefully I'll take it to the ring again with Misha.
Transmission issues aside. We could all see from the gigantic smile on your face that you were having the time of your life. in my opinion. Worth it. Sweet ride BTW.
The 1LE has a different Oil pan with a smaller stand pipe, so it does not hold as much fluid as the ZL1 transmission.
Thats to reduce heat.
I have a ZL1 with OEM Aero running at 840 hp.
My engine oil gets kinda hot by that power.
When I track on hockenheimring my max. trans temp is max. 95°C. (maybe because of less shifts or staying in auto).
Do you know what temps for oil and trans you have on track? Chevy also recommends using 15W-50 engine oil on the zl1 and on the 1LE its even required by the G-Forces you have with its aero and tires.
@@GenkiEliteit was worth it 100% thank you 😁
@@cw_zl1I used to do 95 max 105 degress but now it goes from 95 immediately to max then cools down within the minute. Im taking the car to a shop in Austria or Geiger cars in Munich for a check up whoever is available first.
I'd presume that because giving the shift command manually is unexpected for the car it has to deal with a harsher shift than when it decides on it's own when to shift. Just a guess though.
I was riding passenger in the red miata you passed at the start, it doesn't suprise me that you got banned haha, damn that thing was loud 😂😂
The best cars are always the big American V8s. :) But, yes, the Mustang also was too loud when he last drove one - lol.
😂
@@plektosgaming the worst cars are US V8's...
@@plektosgaming American cars mostly are not that great...
'Transmission Hot, Idle Engine'
Misha: OK, I'll just rev it until the transmission slips 😉
I bet secretly he was crying inside lol
10:05 you can se a huge pile of smoke spitting out of the car, god damn
honestly he needs to chill on destroying people's cars...this isn't a time attack event.
Typical chevy
@@jamesclark4My Ford 6R80 is way worse than my GM 10 Speed Allison, the 6060 Manual in my Camaro is amazing not sure why anyone would buy an automatic muscle car lol
They didn't ban the SVJ but banned a ZL1😂
Was just thinking about that
I think they were lucky and passed the sound devices at low speed
Smh….America!
It had a capristo exhaust, stock svj is surprisingly quiet and most aftermarket ones aren’t super loud. The crazy loud videos you see and shooting huge flames are with the gintani exhaust with cat delete.
@@patrickbaratz7135 and even those aren't insanely loud until they are high RPM. Such an amazing sound even if it does hurt the ears a bit. 😂
The owner was really enjoying it
He's living my dream.
I thought about it. How often does one get to experince riding in their car as a passenger on the track vs being the driver? A totally different experience.
@@a.m.4049, make sure they are a pro and all of the equipment is as good as you can get it. lol
especially with every compression. 😆
Dude had a smile the entire time
Def a car guy. My man!
9:50 That's a lot of smoke 🫢
yup
Doesn't look healthy.
10:17 what the..
it's like burnt oil smoke! that's not good!
yeah, big oof.
edit: ah, transmission, so medium oof.
Maybe trans was overfilled when serviced? + Overheating doesnt help
Simple solution for the noise limit and LT4: Don´t rev it, torque it. My delta says it´s not much difference between shifting at 5.000 or 6.000 (131db). And it saves a lot uf fuel 😉
Yeah it clearly had pleeeeenty of torque.
Holding it near redline makes for a great video, but if all you want to do is go out on the track and have fun you can minimize shifting to keep heat out of the trans and just enjoy that torque...
Factory exhaust has multiple exhaust settings. I start up mine in quietest sounds like any other car at 5am
not much difference in torque or in power ?
Its what I did the next two days and I didnt get banned you are right. Also no overheat in performance shift auto mode.
@@volvo09that’s what he said
So this is not a 1LE..... its a ZL1 with 1LE aero. Its missing some stuff as in solid bushings, DSSV dampers, 19x11/19x12 rims. The 1LE also comes with larger brake rotors and pads. Title should be adjusted.
I noticed as well. Fake 1LE
Yeah, I could tell immediately. The key way to spot a true ZL1 1LE is by looking at the strut towers underneath the hood, and the shocks. If both are blue, you’ve got a genuine ZLE. Don’t get it twisted, the ZL1 is still a beast on the track, and is much more friendly on the road as well. However, the ZL1 1LE may as well be a different car in the way it goes about road course duty. The latter was built for the *sole* purpose of track work, hence the DSSV dampers, the solid bushings, the lightweight wheels, thinner rear glass, Pratt n Miller designed aero, easily adjustable suspension/camber, and pizza-sized rotors.
You guys are correct, the 2018 ZL1 1LE wasn't available in automatic (rear light prior to 2018)
So it's basically the same car
@@danieldickerson4838 I mean first thing I said in the video was that it's just 1LE aero. 1LE has same brakes though just different color caliper.
that compass would drive me nuts
Yeah, silly gauge to have active.
@@volvo09 yeah, has zero relevance to a racetrack
You can change the cluster. Not sure why this is used. I cycle between tire PSI and oil temps.
if it moved smoothly it might be okay.
an old school stick-on floating sphere compass would be less distracting than this 8 position halfassery.
Was and still is quite a normal accessory for US cars - in the US you often got instructions like "drive route 66 westbound" - while here in Germany you just get a city name to get in the right direction (like "A1 Richtung Köln").
That Camaros colour looks so good. Also sounds like a beast. Nicely done as always Misha
Have a 2022 ZL1 1LE , have tracked it several times with the Goodyear SC3R. Car has never overheated, even on 90 degree track days. 1LE package comes with DSSV shocks and 10 speed auto. Brakes are good but need to change brake fluid at end or start of track season. Went with Hawk DTC 70 pads this year. Braking is amazing.
The 1LE package does not include an auto. That is an option that you specify.
@@Slurpee_12 Any 1LE either SS or ZL1 was available in auto starting in 2019 or 2020.. from 2016-2018 was only manual.. Which is the only way a 1LE should be ordered..
@@Clutch_Kick187 I'm not sure about the SS 1LE, but an automatic ZL1 has been available since it debuted, in 2017. The ZL1 1LE debuted in 2018, and was only available in a manual. The automatic for the ZL1 1LE has been available since 2019.
@@Clutch_Kick187 The SS 1LE did not get an automatic transmission option until the 2021 model year, the ZL1 1LE got the automatic option for the 2019 model year and beyond. Also the guy you’re replying to wasn’t saying you couldn’t get a 1LE with an automatic they were saying the automatic transmission does not come with the 1LE package, which is correct. The original commenter said the 1LE package “comes with the DSSV shocks and 10-speed auto” which is false, the automatic is an extra cost option unrelated to the 1LE package.
@@Slurpee_12 False. The 2018 ZL1 1LEs only came in manuals. 2019-2024 1LEs had the option of getting the 10 speed autos.
Not a 1LE, Misha, but the “standard” ZL1 is still very much a BEAST on the track! The *proper* ZL1 1LE is the undisputed track weapon for Camaros.
Lookout for the blue strut towers, DSSV dampers, 19 inch lightweight wheels, and R comps to more easily spot a genuine 1LE👍🏽👍🏽.
I was literally going to comment this. Also the 18 ZLE only came in Manuel.
Yeah as soon as he said just aero package not suspension it just sounded weird knowing 1LEs
They should only come manual as well.
to be honest I'd love to see misha try a 2015 Z/28 on the ring... naturally aspirated 7l is probably more fun (and balanced) than the supercharged beast.
@@dariodeagostini5176 z28 is the coolest camaro, but the supercharged engine is not too much for this chassis.
@@dariodeagostini5176Definitely not more balanced than a 6th gen, period. The LS7 was designed around the C6 chassis.
You need a 1LE ZL1 with a proper manual, spool valve dampers and all.
100%. Manual and the proper 1LE Suspension makes a big difference.
@@justintort bro im so happy I got the regular ZL1. The Magneride suspension is so damn good. (i don't track the car ever, maybe once a year)
@@ezpz4659 Keep the chrome sliders clean, look after them. Keep the seals lubed. I have a few of the original MRC shocks used on the HSVs in Aussie as early tests for that tech (they are basically the same platform as the camaro). They will pop and when they pop you are spending a decent coilover set per corner...
The Tremec dual clutch from the Corvette would have been better.
ZL11LE 10 Speed it's very fast car I have both manual ZL11LE and ZL11LE 10 Speed. ZL11LE 10 Speed it's very fast car.
I watch this channel every day and love it. But no need to destroy the dudes car Misha, clearly its hurt don't be arrogant.
The ZL1 1LE originally ONLY came in 6-speed manual, as it should be. Sadly they eventually (2019 I think) sold out to the people who can't shift for themselves and started offering the new automatic.
The smoke out of the back at 10:03 :O
Yo te digo, mala pinta en verdad esa bocanada de humo...
That transmission will need a rebuild after that amount of torture at high temperatures.
Good catch!
Lol and the owner was like "that's fine" while there's a james bond level smoke behind them 😆
Chevy for ya
The Marshall greeting you in her sing song voice was nice and pretty funny 😄
Im surprised the PCM let it keep going well past the point of flaring on shifts. It should go into limp mode wayyy before it gets that hot. Those clutches probably lost at least half their normal lifespan (if not all of it) in just a lap.
Definitely a failure of the cars powertrain protections.
Good catch. At the start it shifts 6500, typical, LT/LS shift point for the 6.2s. Later around 9 mins it starts flashing to 7k+ until the shift denied issues.
Also that converter sounded very hot by the end of that, slipping a bit it sounded like
The biggest problem with the gearbox is that it is not a manual !
The 10 speed is incredible though!
6,500 RPM -> 5,500 RPM , only drops 1000 RPM after an upshift and it has to keep doing those shifts pretty much all the time at high RPM.
It held up pretty well regardless. Including the engine which is a more traditional V8 that doesn't like (or need) high RPM, constantly near redline because of short gearing.
And owner commented it was due to poor transmission maintenance/service from a shop, so considering that, held up quite well.
ZL's with A10 get hot at the track. Forum's say that the biggest culprit is actual the engine oil getting to 300F. The engine, trans, differential share the engine coolant, so, if the engine gets super hot, it's heating your coolant, which is reducing its capacity to chill the ATF, in turn. Add an auxiliary engine oil cooler.
Similarly, don't turn on the heat in the cabin, because, you'll just be adding more heat to the coolant thru the heater core, instead turn on the A/C to try to chill the coolant passing thru the cabin.
GM says to change the ATF every 15 track hours, and changed the check requirements, for the 2020+ models, check the ATF at 172 F instead of previously 212 F. Some argue that over fill ATF is causing issues, however, don't bleed the ATF when it's hot or it'll risk being too low on ATF.
Thanks for sharing, love reading random small things about track cars like this
just don't get a fckin automatic tranny if you want fun anyway.
problem solved.
The AC will shut off on WOT and track driving. I just leave everything off.
Why would you not turn on the heat in the cabin? It's like having another radiator, the desert treatment works quite well in other cars.
Can you please explain how turning on the heat inside the cabin makes the coolant hotter?
I have this model without a back seat, the 7 speed manual, and a Corvette body kit. No tranny overheating problems.
Trans fluid is overfilled/underfilled most likely. IT NEEDS TO BE PERFECTLY FILLED! Level service and exact amount refilled. The trans is shifting like crap!
Just like German car!
@@michaeldecker2725what the heck no 😂
Camazo are so much faster then a Camaro 😎
KAMAZo
@@gk7979 Sounds like a boosted KAMAZ for sure!
@@mgcharoudinboosted boris what up
Those LT4s don't like RPM. Try targeting 3500-4000 at the bottom end and 5800 at the shift. It serves well to keep the heat out of the engine oil, intercooler and trans. The supercharger makes crazy low end torque.
😂 chevy problems
We're going to need a follow up on the repairs required.
I did two laps the day after this video was filmed and the car was fine in automatic mode, transmission temp never went beyond 100 degress celsius. It just needs a new oil change to fix the overfill issue.
128db limit!? That's quite loud. Too put that into perspective, a 747 taking off is 127db and Brian Blessed is 130db....😅😅😅
Girlfriend 105db😜
That’s only when Brian is saying ‘F^ck!’ isn’t it?!😂
@@markmcgrath9098 His Tarzan is pretty loud too 😂 😂
@@situationunchanged9733 try alexandra ftom the botez sisters screaming ANDRRREEEEAAAAAAA !!!
thats about 165db. you'd need a 25KW car sound system to reach that 🤣
lmao a trail of smoke behind you, "transmission hot" warning - let's put it auto maybe it will fix itself :D
Smoke is supposedly from the trans fluid being overfilled at the last service
As a 1LE owner i have been waiting for this! Kinda disappointed its not a real 1LE but I get how these cars are hard to come by in germany lol
Really??.. The ZL1 is more Loud than the AMG GT R from yestarday's video?? ..😱 very Great V8 muscle car👍🔥
My SS auto will deny shift if I wait to long to shift it in manual this guys car is fine.. you guys with these insinuations are wild!
Shift denied... LOL
Punishment for not getting the manual lol
@@UnrelatedNonsense 😂😂
I think we’re done here now. Na I am going to pass these last three cars.
Just looking for a little overtime.
"I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that" 🔴
That girl was cool as heck though xD
Of course she knows him very well and she knows that there is always a camera with him... 😁
Next upgrade, a bigger trans cooler
EVERY SINGLE TIME…first the corvette Z06 and now this lol! So weird! I have never ever seen the 10 speed overheat 🤔…the 17-18 had a downshift algorithm issue they fixed in the later models…I would LOVE to see what you could do with my 22 M6 ZL1…you’ve had the most problems with them…I swear these cars are amazing 😅…. Might need to get that trans fluid level checked 🤷🏼♂️
he was just abusing it, too much near redline downshifting.,
@CPAJayhawk 😂 so you cant use the car with out it craping the bed 😂 thats chevy for ya
@@jamesclark4 You can’t continuously downshift it at redline on a 12 mile long track, no.
@danieldickerson4838 with a chevy no you can't
@danieldickerson4838 cars do that all day long with out issue just not chevy cars
10:04 casually turning the james bond mode on
The 1LE version of the Camaro was deemed illegal in Germany because of the carbon fiber canards on the sides of the bumper....while the normal ZL1 is just fine. Even the C7 ZR1 was banned from sale in Germany because the hood cowl was 1/8th of an inch too high for the pedestrian safety guidelines....LOL
Large amount of smoke off the ZL1 at 10:05
Coolest track marshal, ever! She sees it's you and is like... you know what I'm going tell you, right?
10:05 you can se a huge pile of smoke spitting out of the car, god damn
Chevy for ya
Clutches have left the building. Just completely gave up trying to grab the flywheel.
@@erik9108 Nope. That's (boiling) transmission oil overflowing out the relief valve and instantly vaporizing. Yummy!
Zi Americans went from not enough gears to too many gears awfully quick 😂
All the best to everyone
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
transmission is heating up and none of them thought to like, chill and let it cool? irresponsible.
as the old saying goes: "drive it like you stole it"
@@iamhozordumb saying but sure🤦🏽♂️
You kids crack me up. ECU is SCREAMING I’m TOO HOT… yet you keep trying to cancel the message.
Beyond.
Vaak bu'j te bange
@@tomoostinkoften you are too dumb
Banned but with smile😊
That ZL1/1LE is so fast! It overtakes everything with such ease. Albeit there were a lot of family sedans on the road.
And those family sedans ended up passing the Camaro because those drivers knew how to drive and not overheat their transmissions…………😅😅😅
I fell in love with the "Ihr wart zu lauuuuut💫" girl
14:09 till 14:16, there's your answer, When a car produces 900NM you don't need to wrap it around the red line in every gear constantly, you could have kept the Engine between 3000 and 5500-6000rpm and it would have been just as quick, and kept the noise down to a reasonable level not to get banned. After all Misha, you know where all the noise pick-up points are around the Ring. you naughty boy, behave yourself. LOL Awesome content. Enjoyed watching as always
Wrong😂
@@jamesclark4 Really🤪
It’s a common thing with the ZL1 I have one from 2013 it just needs a transmission cooler, because when you keep going from 3rd to 4th and back again it overheats the trans when your pushing it on the track 11:54
I like the clouded sky. You can almost feel the ups and downs of the track even it's just a Video. Great.
Close the exhaust valve before passing the DB zones and add racing transmission cooler
It’s amazing how this guy just gets in cars he’s never driven before and can drive them like he’s been testing it all week to find the limits and understand how it reacts. It takes 1 lap but even the first lap he does a great job warming up the tires and stuff without driving too carefully.
Everytime you drive cars with high torque you keep downshifting in 2nd gear and I can't understand why. Im pretty sure you loose couple seconds everytime and work the transmission more then it should just to rev 6k to 7k
wow this is the first time I saw the other side of the track of nurburgring...
** what was that dash display at 8:01 saying "Information -- Shift Denied"??
there's a "Dismiss" button under it, but there must've been a hidden "IGNORE" button under Misha's foot
I have never seen an owner more happy than the big guy. He loved it.
10:17 dat smoke 😲
Use a heat wrap on the exhaust as it passes near the transmission and differential. Any sort of heat wrap you can use really, and the entire length of the exhaust if you can. Also, perhaps fit a heat shield between the exhaust and transmission. Ditto for the exhaust and differential.
wraps are dumb as they can cause condensation, rusting etc. heat shields are used by OEMs for this reason. You never see OEM wraps.
Ceramic coating also helps inside.
@@N4CR Well I don't necessarily disagree with you on the tape wraps, but if it was my only option towards saving a 10-speed automatic transmission worth thousands of dollars I would take it. There are other style wraps that are metal based and adhere to the exhaust. Not sure where they placed the heat shields from the factory on this car but I'll bet there is none shielding the transmission from the exhaust. The definition of ceramic coating on exhausts has broadened over the years. To me, only the very thick ones are worth it. Those are not painted on but deposited on via a different process and is expensive. But at that point, road debris, rock, pebbles, etc could damage it.
the smoke coming out the rear :O
The rear view mirror camera angle looks amazing.
Cannot wait until you drive the new zr1! That thing is going to be a hypercar killer
😂😂😂😂😂
I think people are wildly overestimating that one... Just like people wildly overstate the performance of every new Corvette model for my entire life.
I don’t think it will beat hypercars but supers, it’s definitely going to be a tough fighter against and contender against a la Ferrari once the zera comes out
@@captain_context9991 Misha like the Z06...
@@captain_context9991 Sport Auto damn near ran the same Ring lap time as the 918 Spyder, with a C7 Z06 (7.13). I wouldn't say anything is "wild" or being "overestimating". I've mainly seen people underestimate the Vette platform my entire life.
If you're manual shifting it drags clutches to speed up shift times that creates heat. Leave it in auto and track.
Manual mode on dyno with my a10 1le was 30hp less that's a bunch of drag, performance shift mode for 1hr+ on track it didn't miss a beat. But 1le a10 have a deep sump pan. Brakes on regular zl1 have backing plate that need to be removed for track prep, and in heavy braking tracks addition of ct5bw brake cooling scoops and a fluid swap cures the brakes.
"shift denied" never thought to see that from a car
Just put quieter mufflers on, with an electronic exhaust cut out in front of them.. when they go to check the db, keep the cut it closed. Once on the track, open it up if you think it’s hurting your power output.
Come to America and drive my ZL1 1LE in California!
ZL1 1LE is one of my favorite cars, I have been waiting for you to drive one of these, such a sweet machine man.
Unfortunately you have to keep waiting, this wasn’t a real 1LE, it just had the aero from a 1LE.
@@stevenreddy6842 Correct!
@@stevenreddy6842 Yeah I see that now, looks like a reg ZL1 with the added aero. Would like to see the 6 speed as well.
1LE = 7'16''04 😘😘😍😍
So I got out of a REF charge a month ago in California….cops said my exhaust was above the db limit at rpm and I counter by saying the car was above the db level while traveling at rpm and speed regardless of the exhaust…judge gave me 7 days to prove it and I did the following day…the sound of the car was higher than the db of the exhaust while traveling 45mph ( after it was fixed ) and the judge through out the ticket…and no I wasn’t going to replace my exhaust I just closed my sylinoids
why keep pushing it when the display clearly says "idle engine" and its smoking like crazy?
You can hear on up gear change the transmission is just burning up the clutch packs before initiating next gear for split sec
Yea. If the fluid is too hot it gets too thin and the torque converter will slip.
The end really wear down the trans. User manual even says when that warning shows up, immediately go in park and let the engine run to cool down the trans.
Awesome video
Overheating Trans, it happens with intense track driving, solution is to add a additional external coolerwith fan after the primary, only draw back it will take a bit longer to warm the trans to driving temp on cold days
Twin oil coolers on gearbox needed
was thinking that ,good aftermarket coolers might do the job
Its a regular zl1, its not a real 1LE, just has a fake 1LE wing.. yes the 1LE's have extra coolers for engine, trans, & diff..
RealLE1s only come with a manual box and the trick Multimatic spool shocks, bushings and other suspension parts differ too
Too loud? There i no "too loud" in my world!
I’m from albania and I never thought I’d see an albanian plate on your video lol. That’s a nice surprise
Hahahahah mrsh u cudita kur e pash
i love my mustangs...but man the camaro zl1 is just an absolute stud itself and id love to ride in one
Till it started smoking 😂
on which days can you drive on the gp track? I am looking forward to come to nurburgring and I wanna know some good info's before i actually come there
Afaik there's only a few days per year. Look up the calendar, it's available online
@@MrCathal09 oh thank you!
Oh yeah this one is definitely louder. I wear headphones when I watch youtube and I had to turn down the sound which I never do while watching your content as I love to hear the engines go through the power bands. Shame we couldnt see it just go crazy. Many American cars need oil and trans coolers. I know Cleetus had to put them on his crown vics. Hopefully one day we will get to see one of these cars finally go full throttle.
They tell people hear in a America that peoples race cars are to loud for the race track. It's a race car and yes it is going to be loud without street exhaust and mufflers. It is usually because people buy houses next to a race track and get mad when they hear race cars. Well you moved next to a race track what did you think was going to happen?
Test drove an auto Corvette to see if I could come around to one since they're so much easier to find than manuals. First time I saw "Shift Denied" I laughed and knew, nope, no way. I want to drive my car, thanks.
Another reason to get an M6. 10speed guys swear that transmission is the holy grail. No thx
He smoked that transmission did you see the flares at the end clutches are toast 😂😂😂😂
Is the car blowing out smoke around 9:50? Looks weird in the backwards camera
Even worse at 10:06
The owner said that they overfilled the trans fluid as the last service, so it was coming out of the breather and burning on exhaust
I daily an SS 1LE 22 and I know exactly how great this car handles and eats corners, If gas was cheaper where I live id def have went for the ZL1. Wont sell it for anything.
Last time I was this early, my wife was disappointed.
They look their part, have a sound from hell, and are fast in turns and straights. i would love to see you drive a viper acr
10:05 hot transmission alert 13:19 hot girl alert
Watched this video for the first time today and was following the racing lines that Misha takes from the parking lot to the first corner of the starting line where the race clock starts… was like oh shit you missed the corner, it turned out to be the GP circuit. 😮😅
Drug money
Money is money 🤷♂️
The car doesn’t have the stock airbox but cold air inductions carbon elite intake kit. I am wondering if it is also tuned. Transmission heating up is interesting, normally this car comes with all coolers from the factory for track use. Another reason to get manual over automatic i guess 😂
Its a regular zl1, its not a real 1LE, just has a fake 1LE wing.. yes the 1LE's have extra coolers for engine, trans, & diff..
@@Clutch_Kick187only the SS 1LE has extra cooling stop with all the fake info it literally takes 2 seconds to google if the ZL1 1LE has extra cooling compared to normal ZL1
Camaz? Isn't it russian?
Yes
Seeing shift denied is so funny to me for some reason. Idk maybe it's because I'm American but it's like seeing your healthcare get denied lmao 🤣🤣🤣
Automatic. What a shame.
Automatic is nice for cruising and stop and go traffic.
@@stoerenungeheuer543 why have a car that fast if it's stop and go traffic is a concern?
Personally I don't mind being stuck in traffic with manuals, I just get into the "slow lane" (whatever side that is in your country) and take my time.
@@volvo09 We got no official "slow lane" in Germany but you need to drive on the right lane if not overtaking on the Autobahn. I just find Automatic more relaxing in stop and go, but of course I learned to drive with a manual car and this is my favorite in the end. Even had the direct comparison of a c70 with and without automatic. Manual is more sporty. Whatever, best regards.
@misha was really hoping to see you drive a real zl1 1le. Cause the 1le suspension for the track is what really makes the car.
Almost first
So ?
@@benlecluyse why mad
Watching that fuel gauge go down is wild, form a full tank to almost half a tank on finish 😂
Ford mustang boss has a metal air scoop that sits just below its transmission to help keep it from overheating. I don't really care for any Ford of any kind but I did make my own air scoop out of eighth inch aluminum and mounted it on a cross member so it sits in between the exhaust and transmission and I gotta say it works perfectly. I have a 2018 Silverado that has a trannie that gets way too hot but not any more. Check into it my guy, you won't be disappointed with the results.
@MishaCharoudin use the tq of the motor and lower the RPM's when not hard accelerating to keep the trans temp down.
The car owner also might want to wrap the exhaust in header wrap near the trans and trans cooler lines to keep the heat in the exhaust as well as an extra trans cooler.
install transmission cooling system with external oil cooler and pump plus some vents at underbody cooling the transmission case. This car is a absolute beast and micha pushed it. really love it. My Next car for sure!