Tiago is really nice and humble when it comes to his fame, he commented on my videos before too, I really love that him and Ricardo lino both have assisted me when learning to do powerslides.
Thanks for your videos. In particular this on rockering.I was very curious about the 4x80 rockerable and as soon as I found it online I bought it (2 months ago) I am a 47 year old beginner. I started 10 months ago.. I try to go an hour and a half a day and my sessions are 1 hour flat (urban) and half hour rockering (slalom) setup. I constantly change the axle positions every day and I've never had a problem ... in a moment the axles go up or down ... maybe after your review powerslide solves the problem you talk about in the video. I often use your videos to improve my techniques. Thank you very much.
Great video. For the last 5 months I was skating on my Swell 110x3 243mm setup, but tonight I decided to skate on my old Next 90x4 275mm just to compare. The difference was so huge, I felt like I was glued to the ground, like I was a train on rails, so steady this setup was compared to my 110x3 skates. Carving felt impossible, because so much force I had to apply to make them do a curve. However power stop was so much easier I guess because just easier to make sharp angle due to the fact that I’m lower to the ground. Stability is insane compared to my Swell setup, on which it feels like my feet are always trying to run away from the centre of gravity and I have to catch them to stay on my feet. Nothing like that on 275 90x4 frame. In general, I seriously felt like I was driving a locomotive on rails on my 90x4 setup. It’s not rockered btw, otherwise I think my experience would be different.
Great analysis Dave. Rockering is a great thing almost everywhere except for downhill. Hope I will have chance to check it on the three wheels soon. Nice jumps by the way.
The good thing is, you can ride the HC Evos flat, too. The Trinity system also offers a wide variaty of frames. I also have the HC Evos and will get myself the 4x110 frames for some downhill. At some point I will. ;-D
@@DeezSkates i was driving downhill with my 4x90 endless Frame.... I absolutely agree..... My right foot was always nervously moving. I absolutely had No chance to get my Feet drive calm and straight....
Nice comparison video. Would be interested to see your thoughts on a wizard setup (nn, wizard or endless frames). I'll check your channel and see if you have a video on that
Hey, just wanted to say that video is absolutely great and content like this is what keeps a community moving and I wanna thank you for it. I've been thinking about taking up skating after tearing up a rollerblade blade runner I got from Dick's, but I've been so indecisive about what to get. The way you broke down the powerslide tri skate with optional rockering seems like such a well rounded skate that (hopefully) lasts me some years. Thanks man!
I’ve had the Evo for awhile now, and it’s still my favorite skate, but good skates are hard to find right now! The pandemic caused everyone who lost their gym membership to get into skating. Haha. All the shops with any kind of reputation are sold out.
@@DeezSkates I'm one of the those people lmao, but I just might cancel my membership. This is much more exciting than lifting weights. Also, there's one serious skate shop in Miami Florida and they didn't have any tri-skate in my size, so I went with a FRx 80 with rockerable frames. Transitioning from going forwards and backwards is very fun
Tommy Avlastenok, My channel is old, but I really only started doing these videos recently this summer! Hoping for lots of growth in the future. Thank you so much for your support!
I have several months now skating on rockered 4x80 and rockered 3x110 (also short FR310 frames). I feel I can do everything I can with 4x80 but generally speaking 3x110 feels "heavier" and also asks a whole lot more to your ankles. It is still fun tho but while 3x110 is clearly superior on the smooth cruising aspect, a rockered 4x80 is still absolute king when it comes to "ice skating" and slalom / figure tricks. I definitely like rockered 3x110 over flat 3x110 but one aspect I noticed: With rockered 4x80 you always have 2 wheels in contact. With 3x110 while striding or cruising, if your skate happens to pivot on the center wheel it feels "too unlocked". It is either "not as unlocked as 4x80" (when you're on two wheels) to "holy cow, too unlocked" (when you're on one wheel) Speed wise I feel both are equally fast, the 3x110 feels smoother cause the wheel diameter is simply bigger, making the wheel a lot easier to go over rough pavement or small stones.
Great comparison and explanation. I've got the katana frame and a four wheel set up too. Fun to have both, as shown in your video each are good in different ways.
Awesome! Thanks a lot! You're getting a new subscriber pal! speed is actually the thing I'm looking for when it comes to skates. I love 4 wheels but I'm gonna give myself a shot with the tri-skates. ❤
Thanks for the video mate. Looking to get a set a skates. Grew up super poor so I've only known the bottom shelf stuff. After some research I found there's quite a few options and I think I'd like to try rockered, though 3 or 4 wheels was a big question for me. Your video def helpped
Double D, Thanks for the review. I'm getting back into skating after being away since the mid- 90's. I know that's a long time. Skating seemed to die off everywhere in North America and I don't know why. It was kinda depressing. I guess I didn't help. lol. Anyhow, I recently got back into skating because legs day at the gym bored me. So I thought skating would be my new legs work-out. Funny...but now I've got the skating bug...and I can't think of anything else. Just got out my old Bauer hockey skates...which were top of the line carbon at the time, but the plastic parts on the skates are disintegrating. Maybe a good thing. I ordered a pair of Reign Hockey skates and I love them...just like you do. But I got the Perseus model and am very pleased with the quality and tri- wheels. I found that the stiff tongue was very flat and wide, causing me to not be able to tighten the skates properly. I heat molded them to contour to my foot and that helped a lot. Anyway...take care Ken
buttheadgsxr1000, It's awesome that you got back into skating! I took a break from it myself before I skated on ice in Korea and fell in love with it. It's okay to leave as long as you come back! Thanks so much for your comment!
@@DeezSkates, David, I just bought a new pair of Rollerblade Metroblade GM 2016 model online. I'm so used to skating on my rockered Bauer hockey skates...that when I put these new un-rockered Metroblades on...I felt like I was glued to the floor. I couldn't hardly turn. I had to really fight with them to cooperate with me. These GM skates just want to go straight. My question to you is...Should I try and adjust my style to the new skates and maybe wait for a bit of natural rockering to happen as the wheels wear down a bit and just know that the new skates will never turn as fast as my hockey skates...or do you suggest I take some measure and modify the Metroblades with different size wheels front and back? How do you find the transition of skates that you have...going from a rockered set-up to a non-rockered setup? Do you just adjust your style of skating to the skate that you use?
Hey, Ken! So sorry I didn't see your last comment before! I skate both rockered and flat very often. I'm a firm believer in challenging my adaptability. So I try to skate in many situations with different types of skates and I never run from a disgustingly torn up area of road! In my mind, the two set ups have different purposes. I use rockered skates for when I am not going to be traveling over a lot of really torn up road, and want to do lots of dance type footwork or slalom. I use my flat set ups for when I want to cover a lot of ground and skate all over a big city, or any dealing with streets that are just terrible. Hope you're adapting to your Metroblades nicely! Make sure to practice a strong toe flick in your stride and you will see a huge difference in pushing power over any rockered setup you have.
Really interesting comparison. I find it interesting that you find the Tri-skate to perform better for tight curves in slalom. Four wheel skates have shorter wheelbase distances over 3 skating surfaces whereas the triskate has 2 longer surfaces. Drives should feel more secure on tri-skates due to larger wheels and then ‘ bigger keel’ but the frictional release in driving a turn should feel ‘less restrictive’ on the 4-wheel skate. I missed some part of this comparison mentioning the ease for 3-turn one-foot maneuvers where IMHO feel the 4-wheels feels more fluid. Well done for breaking this subject open more than most have in the past. Thumbs up!
In most cases, you are right that triskates have a longer wheelbase, but in this comparison that is not so. Consider that the Hardcore Evo is a slalom skate and comes packaged with 90mm wheels. The Seba FRX I’m using here has 80mm wheels. The first thing I want to point out is that the height of these two skates is the same. The trinity mount on the 90mm wheel frame let’s try wheels sit closer to the boot to make the height the same. And the most important detail is that the 90mm frame has a wheelbase of 215mm, whereas the 4x80 has a wheelbase of 243mm. This means the triskates in this comparison have a shorter wheelbase, and a faster transition from one contact point to the next. They are not as smooth as the 4 wheel skates considering they have one less contact point to shift through, but they feel like they can achieve a faster transition and slightly tighter turn because of that.
@@DeezSkatesSince they are rocketed, at anytime there are only two wheels contacting the ground. So you should compare the wheel base between any two wheels next to each other. In a trinity 215mm, 90mm setup, the between-two-wheels wheel base is 107 mm, while in a 243 mm, 4*80 setup, it's 81mm.
Excellent breakdown! Q, whats your advice for rockering as a newbie, 4mm? Less or more? Im going to switch my flat 3wheel to a rockered4wh setup today. Max is 72, so i was going to go 68, 72, 72, 68.... think thatwill be a nice intro?
excellent comparison I got question D Right now Im using 3 x 100 and I wanted to do one of : 1. Change it to 3x80-90 Or 2. Change it to 3x 100-100-90 / 90 - 90 -80 I wanted to do it for easier balance / easier turns and breaking Do these reducions and rocking sizes will make a real difference that I can feel ?
Nice video! Good topic. I feel you should have compared same sized wheels, between the skates. Think this also has an impact on the various themes you talk about. Distance of your feet from the ground, for example. Greetz from Belgium.
Hey rockwest! Thanks for the input! I should clarify that the wheel size is the main difference (which I did talk about in the video on the "speed" section), and I chose my 80mm and 90mm wheels set up to close that gap as much as possible. Also, the Trinity mount of the three wheel skates allows the frame to sit lower, so the height of these two skates is actually identical! Thanks for subscribing! Cheers!
Thanks for sharing your tips and very informative videos. Im new to inline skating and would like to know whats the main purpose of having rockered wheels. Is it something later on need to learn with rockered wheels?
Can't decide what to get as my first setup. I want to learn slalom-style dance moves, but I also don't want the wizard moves to be out of reach or dangerous. At the same time, I also want a long enough wheelbase for stability when urban skating and a decent wheel size for sustained speed, too. I have a 28.5cm foot, and can't decide between primarily 4x90 and 3x110.
Hi! I love your video 😍 I have a question: what size is the frame of your Evo? I got them on a 255mm size and I feel that my moves in Rollerdance are abrupt now. Sorry for my english and thanks 😊
That depends, if it has a lot of turns and I sent that far, you want tri. If it is straight-er and doesnt have many obstacles you want traditional. This is assuming the wheel size is the same.
Hey David thanks for the video, & kudos on your skills, making me want to go out & skate right now LoL. I've never been introduced to Triskates before but after watching I'm seriously interested. I'm a city skater so carving to me is HUGE but there are also some pretty decent downhills as well as a 4 mile bike path I like to skate on. I'm not a slalom skater either. Do you think the Triwheel is worth a shot for my situation? Also I looked up the Hardcore Evo Pros & they're like $500, do you know of a Triskate you'd recommend like half the price? Thanks again!
Hi, MikeMcD! I definitely understand that the Evo is too expensive, especially if you’re mainly wanting to city skate in it. For that purpose I recommend something like the Powerslide NEXT cruiser models. www.inlinewarehouse.com/Powerslide_Next_100/descpage-908262.html Or if you like Seba you can look at the FRX 110. www.inlinewarehouse.com/FR_Skates_FRX_310/descpage-X310O18.html I like both brands so it just depends on what size wheels you want. The great thing about triskates is the wheels are bigger so you get more speed! They make city skating a lot more fun, IMO.
Awesome man thanks for the respomse I'm definitely going to check them out.. I have a pair a 4x100 skates & I really don't like them because it's ridiculous to carve -hence the search for a new skate LoL . . I was thinking of triwheel 90mm? From your experience you think that would be better than a 100mm triwheel for carving? I have a bad taste in my mouth for 100mm after riding the 4x100's.. Sorry a lot questions, I live in NYC & there's like no skate stores to go in to ask these questions
MikeMcD, 4x100 is definitely better for stability, but not built for lots of carving. Having three wheels shortens the wheelbase significantly! This is very important to agility, but will of course sacrifice some stability for high speed. I LOVE to do hockey drills and train the speed of my footwork and agility and my favorite inline skates are my Reign hockey skates, which come in 3x100. They’re crazy fast and extremely agile. Only you really know what you prefer, but I personally feel there is very little difference in the 3x90 and 3x100 (which I have both of). The only notable difference to me is that the bigger wheels handle high speeds better, and the smaller wheels are oh-so-slightly more agile at lower speeds.
Your transitions from forward-to-back (and vica versa) and your pull-aways from standing position look amazingly smooth. Do you have any drills you could recommend to practice those?
DWBesterable, I recommend practicing crossovers forward and backward and looking into hockey drill like the C-cut and melon/lemon cut. Learn everything slow and controlled, and THEN fast and powerful. A book that helped me: “Powerskating” by Laura Stamm.
I didn't catch how you rocked the Evos. Did you choose to max out and lower the center wheel while rising the back one? Or Did you just keep both "arrows" (back and center) pointing down? Thanks so much!
In my triskates I rocker using both arrows down. The rocker with the center down, back up is too much for me personally. I don’t like it to rock that much when there is only on pivot point in the center.
Thanks for this video. Obviously you are an accomplished skater. Right now in the figure skating world, with the rinks closed, everyone is trying to get their hands on inline figure skating frames but most are sold out. While I await mine, I’d like to rocker my rollerblades. My wheels are 84mm. What size should I use for the front and back?
Lisa, the banana rocker is most common in inline skating, which for your setup would be 80/84/84/80, assuming that you have a four wheel setup. It will not be like a figure skate, which has a deeper rocker at the ball of the foot, but more like an ice hockey skate. Personally, for the closest you can get to figure skates with that sort of setup.. you need to be -6mm to -8mm in the front (referred to as the City Blades Rocker).. So I use 72/80/80/76, but be aware that since you don't have the toe pick like in figure skates that this setup will take some getting used to. You might also be interested in this video, where I demonstrate and discuss that setup.. And you can also check out #cityblades RUclips channel. Tehy are figure skaters who transitioned to street skating and came up with this unique setup. Cheers. And here's to hoping we can get back in ice figure skates soon! ruclips.net/video/Da2weebaM6E/видео.html
Thank you! I’m going to share this video on the in-line figure skating group on fb. I think I’ll try the banana rocker first. All I have to do is convince my boyfriend to trade me half his 80s lol. That’s awesome how much you can do on the rockered inlines.
my first time using 3 wheels kinda awkward. i can't turn right and left properly with scissors possition, it's so hard to change my foot rotation. is it normal ??
Do you rocker your helios as well? Also, where can I find powerslide hockey triskates with carbon fiber bases (like the helios or kronos)? They only have a few models listed on their website.
I have always skated missions because where I am from they are super popular. Now that I am not worried about status, I want to keep the speed of missions but be able to do tricks like the 4 wheel roller skates. Will the trio give me that maneuverability while keeping that hockey speed? Thanks in advance.
Ive noticed most of experienced freeskaters have skates with full vinyl/plastic boot, was it a mistake by me buying Seba High Deluxe, where its not one whole shell in plastic? And what should I do about the upper inner hard plastic "strap" which doesnt allow me to buckle complete around my upper ancles/lower leg, and leaves a room of space. I've cutted a few cm's off now, but should I cut more off!? Plese help me someone...
I’m sure both speed and maneuverability would be great, but it will of course depend on the wheelbase of the frame as well and how tightly the wheels are placed. I’d like to try your proposed setup on the Adapt skates.. if I ever get a pair.
@@DeezSkates I" am coming back since almost 20 years without skating and I've bought a freestyle pair, 90 millimeters flat setup, with a hard boot really nice, aluminium frame 290 mm , ABEC 11, I felt stuck with the flat setup then change to 84-90-90-84 full rocker setup I am feeling nice but I need to test it in a city tour. I am looking for and expert point of view, my usual were 76-80-80-76 hockey rollerblade.
I have not personally tried the 2x90/2x84 setup, so I'm just guessing. My usual four wheel rocker setup is 2x80/2x76 like yours. However, the guy from Shop Task makes those Wizard frames that are 100x4 on a slight natural rocker and he does some crazy agile stuff in them!
Can you comment on stability at higher speeds with a flat setup on the EVO's? I like to skate flat for more control while city skating (tons of hills/rough surfaces where I live), and I'm concerned that I'll lose stability with a 3x90 with the shorter frame compared to my usual 4x80.
Would love to hear your thoughts on Marsblades. Since you say you like the feel of ice skates, but are an inline channel, I would wonder what you thought. Most people using marsblades are ice hockey primary skaters and use inline as a supplement, and I wonder how inline main riders feel about them.
I will say that I’ve read quite a bit on them. They are interesting. However, from what I can tell they seem like they’d be a good training tool for a skater who can ice skate and wants to keep the muscle memory in tune without ice.. but I can’t imagine them being a replacement for rockered inlines for an inline skater. Anytime you add moving parts to an piece of equipment you create an energy outlet.. that is, energy is lost as the part moves and therefore will produce less power from the foot to the ground. Also, the wheels are flat, so it seems to me that it would have the same larger turning radius that a flat setup has while also losing power transfer in each step. There may be something I’m missing that I wouldn’t know about without trying them, but based on what I’ve read about them, and my understanding of skating physics, that is what I would expect.
@@DeezSkates The turning radius is something that made me really curious. most people say with a flat setup they get a tighter turning radius over a hi-lo setup. I know that's not a rockered wheel setup but yeah, still an interesting concept. I know the loss of energy is a bummer but yeah. Since I've been watching more channels like yours and Tiago and that dude in Toronto, I just start to wonder how an inline skater would like / dislike the FEEL of them more than just "man I feel slow" but just general movement.
Loved everything but wish you showed some protection at very least wrist guards if you ever fall it'll be hard and not the best presentation of the community
Thanks. I’ve had some hard falls, which has taught me how to fall properly. That’s a much more valuable tool of protection than wearing pads. I encourage everyone who feels the need to wear them, but it’s important that we don’t fool ourselves into believing pads are sufficient protection against lazy or bad technique. I know tons of skaters who use pads that have hurt themselves way worse than I have. As for the community. I skate for me and expect each person to think and decide for themselves what is best for them.
I think most people avoid changing the position of the center wheel. As you skate the front and back wheels will wear down from turning. This will naturally create a rocker.
I have a question. I want to start riding inline skates again and need to buy a new pair. What I'm looking for is a way to travel to work, so speed and comfort is what I'm looking for. Do you have any recommendations for what I could buy?
I would look into triskates that have a 100-110mm wheel setup if you’re looking for comfort, and speed with the main use being commuting. The Powerslide Next is a good, affordable place to start.
I have a really dumb basic question and I can't google for it. Is it possible/normal to take a 4 wheel skate and modify it to have 3 larger wheels instead? I've seen someone take the same boot for ice skating but I couldn't find anything about experimenting with the same boot but using different size wheels. The reason why I ask this is because new skates are expensive to buy, and I can only buy them online where I live, so I often have to return them and lose money in the process. Seems easier to just buy bigger wheels for the one pair that fits me perfectly if that's an option.
Sarah, It is possible to change the frame of pretty much any inline skate. You will need to do research to find what you need specifically, but if you look up 195, 165, and trinity mount skates that will be a good start. Pretty much all powerslides are made with the trinity mount these days.
I’m thinking about getting a pair of seba’s. Are they true to size? I’m thinking about getting the Igor. I have wide feet. Do you know if they’re narrow?
Jesse Naval, unfortunately I know very little about the iGor skates by Seba. I have never owned them and don’t know anyone personally who has either. However, for sizing, it’s my opinion that you should always measure your feet and compare them to the measurements in the sizing chart for the exact skate you’re looking to buy. This is the only way to be sure you get the right size.
I don’t think there is anything wrong with it. When you’re beginning you maybe want to start with 90mm wheels instead of a fast big wheel setup like 110mm.. but 3x90 should be fine.
I was close buying Igor pro at the time, but ended up with High Deluxe, cause the salesman said it might turn out to be an "overkill" - now I think I will go for a pair of triskates, and I have a wide foot - so which brand and model could be recommended for me, and what wheel size for city skating and in concrete skatepark Copenhagen? I hear that Powerslide boots are more for slim feet, is that correct!?
I would say that Powerslide is a bit on the slim side, yes. My feet are a "standard" width (D width in hockey skates), and they are pretty snug on me. If your feet are wide I would find a way to try them on before you invest the money.
just saying i mite be rong but manufacturers state that 3 wheel skates are faster from the start but the overall max speed on 3 wheels is lower the 4 wheels with is why all speed skates are 4 wheels
Top speed is largely based on wheelbase, so this is somewhat true considering most four wheel setups have a longer wheels base, but that’s due to pushing power and wheelbase. If you roll down a hill with 4x100 and 3x125 and time yourself to the bottom with each, the 3x125 will win because smaller wheels can never actually achieve a higher speed than larger wheels overall. It’s just that putting them on a shorter wheelbase means you will likely not achieve the top speed as well as you would on four wheels.
@@DeezSkates thanks man and keep up the grate work i ordered my first pair of inline skates after about 8 years and they get here on Friday, got the frx as well. i have a question though sins you have been skating for a long time i didnt get an extra set of wheels how much can you get out of a set and whats the best hardness?
nick marte Depends on how ya skate. If you do a lot of hockey drills and slide and stuff they’ll wear out faster. If you’re just getting back into it and wanna get reacquainted and learn some cool new stuff. I think the general 85a is good for the road. It’ll be soft enough to grip and hard enough not to tear up to quick. Cheers bro, and welcome back to the skate fam! 😉
Corey Phillips I have 3x90, 3x100, and 3x125, but I have never tried 3x110. Like most skates, the smaller wheels allow more agility, but have a lower top speed. The larger wheels handle speed well and are a little less responsive. However, triskates have a short wheel base that allows a good balance between power and speed. 3x100 is my favorite for a fast and agile skate out in the city.
I've try triskate and i think that it hart my back ( i have a problem). you think it's a true sensation or only suggestion. Thanks Scuse me for my English
@@DeezSkates My doctor don't know if the central wheel of triskate tranfer all the vibration to the back😂. On the 4 w the vibrations are distribuited on all of them...i think
Tiago is really nice and humble when it comes to his fame, he commented on my videos before too, I really love that him and Ricardo lino both have assisted me when learning to do powerslides.
That was one of the most informative and well produced inline skating videos I’ve seen.
Amazing job, and thank you!
Great video, I'll stick with 4 because it feels like hockey skates. Please 80mm vs 90mm and mixing wheel sizes on skates.
Thanks for your videos. In particular this on rockering.I was very curious about the 4x80 rockerable and as soon as I found it online I bought it (2 months ago) I am a 47 year old beginner. I started 10 months ago.. I try to go an hour and a half a day and my sessions are 1 hour flat (urban) and half hour rockering (slalom) setup. I constantly change the axle positions every day and I've never had a problem ... in a moment the axles go up or down ... maybe after your review powerslide solves the problem you talk about in the video. I often use your videos to improve my techniques. Thank you very much.
Great video. For the last 5 months I was skating on my Swell 110x3 243mm setup, but tonight I decided to skate on my old Next 90x4 275mm just to compare. The difference was so huge, I felt like I was glued to the ground, like I was a train on rails, so steady this setup was compared to my 110x3 skates. Carving felt impossible, because so much force I had to apply to make them do a curve. However power stop was so much easier I guess because just easier to make sharp angle due to the fact that I’m lower to the ground. Stability is insane compared to my Swell setup, on which it feels like my feet are always trying to run away from the centre of gravity and I have to catch them to stay on my feet. Nothing like that on 275 90x4 frame.
In general, I seriously felt like I was driving a locomotive on rails on my 90x4 setup. It’s not rockered btw, otherwise I think my experience would be different.
Great analysis Dave. Rockering is a great thing almost everywhere except for downhill. Hope I will have chance to check it on the three wheels soon. Nice jumps by the way.
Nik Zvi Inline thanks, bro! I agree! Downhill is a no go for rockered skates. Too scary.
The good thing is, you can ride the HC Evos flat, too.
The Trinity system also offers a wide variaty of frames.
I also have the HC Evos and will get myself the 4x110 frames for some downhill.
At some point I will. ;-D
@@DeezSkates i was driving downhill with my 4x90 endless Frame.... I absolutely agree.....
My right foot was always nervously moving. I absolutely had No chance to get my Feet drive calm and straight....
This Vid actually helpped me pick my new Skates
holy shit this deserves more than 520 views omg
yeah also the 7k it has now.. get it to 100k !
@@blameTheDane lol I just randomly now stumbled upon this video and saw my comment.
@@beefnacos6258 welll, then you know youtubes algorithm works fiiiine, when you get the video recommended twice xD
Thanks for helping it get to almost 15k now!
60k now gg
Nice comparison video. Would be interested to see your thoughts on a wizard setup (nn, wizard or endless frames). I'll check your channel and see if you have a video on that
Great video, love the detail. Thank you
Hey, just wanted to say that video is absolutely great and content like this is what keeps a community moving and I wanna thank you for it. I've been thinking about taking up skating after tearing up a rollerblade blade runner I got from Dick's, but I've been so indecisive about what to get.
The way you broke down the powerslide tri skate with optional rockering seems like such a well rounded skate that (hopefully) lasts me some years.
Thanks man!
I’ve had the Evo for awhile now, and it’s still my favorite skate, but good skates are hard to find right now! The pandemic caused everyone who lost their gym membership to get into skating. Haha. All the shops with any kind of reputation are sold out.
@@DeezSkates I'm one of the those people lmao, but I just might cancel my membership. This is much more exciting than lifting weights.
Also, there's one serious skate shop in Miami Florida and they didn't have any tri-skate in my size, so I went with a FRx 80 with rockerable frames. Transitioning from going forwards and backwards is very fun
That’s awesome! Welcome to the skate fam!
What a great video! Thank you for the good work! I can't believe you only have 220 subscribers! Subbed as number 221.
Tommy Avlastenok, My channel is old, but I really only started doing these videos recently this summer! Hoping for lots of growth in the future. Thank you so much for your support!
I'm a new viewer and i love ur channel. I love this reviews and the tips and tricks u give up. I subbed and liked.
I have several months now skating on rockered 4x80 and rockered 3x110 (also short FR310 frames). I feel I can do everything I can with 4x80 but generally speaking 3x110 feels "heavier" and also asks a whole lot more to your ankles. It is still fun tho but while 3x110 is clearly superior on the smooth cruising aspect, a rockered 4x80 is still absolute king when it comes to "ice skating" and slalom / figure tricks.
I definitely like rockered 3x110 over flat 3x110 but one aspect I noticed: With rockered 4x80 you always have 2 wheels in contact. With 3x110 while striding or cruising, if your skate happens to pivot on the center wheel it feels "too unlocked". It is either "not as unlocked as 4x80" (when you're on two wheels) to "holy cow, too unlocked" (when you're on one wheel)
Speed wise I feel both are equally fast, the 3x110 feels smoother cause the wheel diameter is simply bigger, making the wheel a lot easier to go over rough pavement or small stones.
Great comparison and explanation. I've got the katana frame and a four wheel set up too. Fun to have both, as shown in your video each are good in different ways.
i could watch you skate all day. looks so cool
Just got back into skating a few months ago. Really loving it all over again. Very informative video.
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Awesome! Thanks a lot! You're getting a new subscriber pal!
speed is actually the thing I'm looking for when it comes to skates. I love 4 wheels but I'm gonna give myself a shot with the tri-skates. ❤
And thanks for your great videos in skating.. Really must go rockered as the first thing to do in the weekend...
Thanks for the video mate. Looking to get a set a skates. Grew up super poor so I've only known the bottom shelf stuff. After some research I found there's quite a few options and I think I'd like to try rockered, though 3 or 4 wheels was a big question for me. Your video def helpped
HT, make sure to check out my newest video on this same topic, surrounding the Katana rockered frame comparison.
Double D, Thanks for the review. I'm getting back into skating after being away since the mid- 90's. I know that's a long time. Skating seemed to die off everywhere in North America and I don't know why. It was kinda depressing. I guess I didn't help. lol. Anyhow, I recently got back into skating because legs day at the gym bored me. So I thought skating would be my new legs work-out. Funny...but now I've got the skating bug...and I can't think of anything else. Just got out my old Bauer hockey skates...which were top of the line carbon at the time, but the plastic parts on the skates are disintegrating. Maybe a good thing. I ordered a pair of Reign Hockey skates and I love them...just like you do. But I got the Perseus model and am very pleased with the quality and tri- wheels. I found that the stiff tongue was very flat and wide, causing me to not be able to tighten the skates properly. I heat molded them to contour to my foot and that helped a lot.
Anyway...take care
Ken
buttheadgsxr1000,
It's awesome that you got back into skating! I took a break from it myself before I skated on ice in Korea and fell in love with it. It's okay to leave as long as you come back! Thanks so much for your comment!
Double D Skate
Wow, you lived in Korea. I’m now in Taiwan for 10 years.
@@DeezSkates, David, I just bought a new pair of Rollerblade Metroblade GM 2016 model online. I'm so used to skating on my rockered Bauer hockey skates...that when I put these new un-rockered Metroblades on...I felt like I was glued to the floor. I couldn't hardly turn. I had to really fight with them to cooperate with me.
These GM skates just want to go straight.
My question to you is...Should I try and adjust my style to the new skates and maybe wait for a bit of natural rockering to happen as the wheels wear down a bit and just know that the new skates will never turn as fast as my hockey skates...or do you suggest I take some measure and modify the Metroblades with different size wheels front and back?
How do you find the transition of skates that you have...going from a rockered set-up to a non-rockered setup? Do you just adjust your style of skating to the skate that you use?
Hey, Ken! So sorry I didn't see your last comment before! I skate both rockered and flat very often. I'm a firm believer in challenging my adaptability. So I try to skate in many situations with different types of skates and I never run from a disgustingly torn up area of road! In my mind, the two set ups have different purposes. I use rockered skates for when I am not going to be traveling over a lot of really torn up road, and want to do lots of dance type footwork or slalom. I use my flat set ups for when I want to cover a lot of ground and skate all over a big city, or any dealing with streets that are just terrible. Hope you're adapting to your Metroblades nicely! Make sure to practice a strong toe flick in your stride and you will see a huge difference in pushing power over any rockered setup you have.
Deez Skates, thanks DD.
I’ve decided... like you say, to get used to both. I do really love the rockered setup though.
Really interesting comparison. I find it interesting that you find the Tri-skate to perform better for tight curves in slalom. Four wheel skates have shorter wheelbase distances over 3 skating surfaces whereas the triskate has 2 longer surfaces. Drives should feel more secure on tri-skates due to larger wheels and then ‘ bigger keel’ but the frictional release in driving a turn should feel ‘less restrictive’ on the 4-wheel skate. I missed some part of this comparison mentioning the ease for 3-turn one-foot maneuvers where IMHO feel the 4-wheels feels more fluid. Well done for breaking this subject open more than most have in the past. Thumbs up!
In most cases, you are right that triskates have a longer wheelbase, but in this comparison that is not so. Consider that the Hardcore Evo is a slalom skate and comes packaged with 90mm wheels. The Seba FRX I’m using here has 80mm wheels. The first thing I want to point out is that the height of these two skates is the same. The trinity mount on the 90mm wheel frame let’s try wheels sit closer to the boot to make the height the same. And the most important detail is that the 90mm frame has a wheelbase of 215mm, whereas the 4x80 has a wheelbase of 243mm. This means the triskates in this comparison have a shorter wheelbase, and a faster transition from one contact point to the next. They are not as smooth as the 4 wheel skates considering they have one less contact point to shift through, but they feel like they can achieve a faster transition and slightly tighter turn because of that.
@@DeezSkatesSince they are rocketed, at anytime there are only two wheels contacting the ground. So you should compare the wheel base between any two wheels next to each other. In a trinity 215mm, 90mm setup, the between-two-wheels wheel base is 107 mm, while in a 243 mm, 4*80 setup, it's 81mm.
This Video is so useful Thank you so much dude you are amazing at rollerblading :)
Thanks for putting this together! This is really in depth
Good job, man. Very detailed and to-the-point.
Thanks for this vid! Looking to buy a pair as a beginner and I can’t decide whether to do a 4 wheel or 3 wheel pair.
Thanks for going into detail. keep up the good work.
Excellent breakdown!
Q, whats your advice for rockering as a newbie, 4mm? Less or more?
Im going to switch my flat 3wheel to a rockered4wh setup today. Max is 72, so i was going to go 68, 72, 72, 68.... think thatwill be a nice intro?
Thanks for this. It was really interesting
Very informative. Thank you.
Awesome review
excellent comparison
I got question D
Right now Im using 3 x 100 and I wanted to do one of :
1. Change it to 3x80-90
Or
2. Change it to 3x 100-100-90 / 90 - 90 -80
I wanted to do it for easier balance / easier turns and breaking
Do these reducions and rocking sizes will make a real difference that I can feel ?
great channel ,great reviews and great skater
I can’t wait to start skating, these reviews are so great bro I live in dc and I want to start city skating for fun soon I’ll be out there soon
Very good, Guy !
Nice video! Good topic. I feel you should have compared same sized wheels, between the skates. Think this also has an impact on the various themes you talk about. Distance of your feet from the ground, for example. Greetz from Belgium.
Hey rockwest! Thanks for the input! I should clarify that the wheel size is the main difference (which I did talk about in the video on the "speed" section), and I chose my 80mm and 90mm wheels set up to close that gap as much as possible. Also, the Trinity mount of the three wheel skates allows the frame to sit lower, so the height of these two skates is actually identical! Thanks for subscribing! Cheers!
Great comparison!
Thanks for sharing your tips and very informative videos. Im new to inline skating and would like to know whats the main purpose of having rockered wheels. Is it something later on need to learn with rockered wheels?
Can't decide what to get as my first setup. I want to learn slalom-style dance moves, but I also don't want the wizard moves to be out of reach or dangerous. At the same time, I also want a long enough wheelbase for stability when urban skating and a decent wheel size for sustained speed, too. I have a 28.5cm foot, and can't decide between primarily 4x90 and 3x110.
Nice video! Subscribed.
Hi! I love your video 😍 I have a question: what size is the frame of your Evo? I got them on a 255mm size and I feel that my moves in Rollerdance are abrupt now. Sorry for my english and thanks 😊
The 3x90 frames that came on these skates are 215mm.
I wanna go to work with skates, faster. I assume triskates are the way to go ?
That depends, if it has a lot of turns and I sent that far, you want tri. If it is straight-er and doesnt have many obstacles you want traditional. This is assuming the wheel size is the same.
If the route you are skating has a lot of turns. If that wasn't obvious.
Great video. Thank You!
Ed La, Thank YOU!
Well done. Thank you.
Hey David thanks for the video, & kudos on your skills, making me want to go out & skate right now LoL. I've never been introduced to Triskates before but after watching I'm seriously interested. I'm a city skater so carving to me is HUGE but there are also some pretty decent downhills as well as a 4 mile bike path I like to skate on. I'm not a slalom skater either. Do you think the Triwheel is worth a shot for my situation? Also I looked up the Hardcore Evo Pros & they're like $500, do you know of a Triskate you'd recommend like half the price? Thanks again!
Hi, MikeMcD!
I definitely understand that the Evo is too expensive, especially if you’re mainly wanting to city skate in it. For that purpose I recommend something like the Powerslide NEXT cruiser models.
www.inlinewarehouse.com/Powerslide_Next_100/descpage-908262.html
Or if you like Seba you can look at the FRX 110.
www.inlinewarehouse.com/FR_Skates_FRX_310/descpage-X310O18.html
I like both brands so it just depends on what size wheels you want. The great thing about triskates is the wheels are bigger so you get more speed! They make city skating a lot more fun, IMO.
Awesome man thanks for the respomse I'm definitely going to check them out.. I have a pair a 4x100 skates & I really don't like them because it's ridiculous to carve -hence the search for a new skate LoL . . I was thinking of triwheel 90mm? From your experience you think that would be better than a 100mm triwheel for carving? I have a bad taste in my mouth for 100mm after riding the 4x100's.. Sorry a lot questions, I live in NYC & there's like no skate stores to go in to ask these questions
MikeMcD,
4x100 is definitely better for stability, but not built for lots of carving. Having three wheels shortens the wheelbase significantly! This is very important to agility, but will of course sacrifice some stability for high speed. I LOVE to do hockey drills and train the speed of my footwork and agility and my favorite inline skates are my Reign hockey skates, which come in 3x100. They’re crazy fast and extremely agile. Only you really know what you prefer, but I personally feel there is very little difference in the 3x90 and 3x100 (which I have both of). The only notable difference to me is that the bigger wheels handle high speeds better, and the smaller wheels are oh-so-slightly more agile at lower speeds.
Your transitions from forward-to-back (and vica versa) and your pull-aways from standing position look amazingly smooth. Do you have any drills you could recommend to practice those?
DWBesterable, I recommend practicing crossovers forward and backward and looking into hockey drill like the C-cut and melon/lemon cut. Learn everything slow and controlled, and THEN fast and powerful. A book that helped me: “Powerskating” by Laura Stamm.
Hello! I do not understand English, but summarizing for slalom the best skates. the 3 or 4 wheel? thank you.
I cannot say which is better. That’s up to you and your style. This video is meant to gives examples of how both skates work.
hum, but is it possible to make slalom with 3 without many difficulties?
Yes! 3 Wheels works GREAT for slalom!
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Hi!
Can you tell me, un Nexus /katana How many millimeters does rocking offer for its special axel? Thanks
THANK YOU
I didn't catch how you rocked the Evos.
Did you choose to max out and lower the center wheel while rising the back one?
Or
Did you just keep both "arrows" (back and center) pointing down?
Thanks so much!
In my triskates I rocker using both arrows down. The rocker with the center down, back up is too much for me personally. I don’t like it to rock that much when there is only on pivot point in the center.
What brand are the triskates you are wearing on min 10.10 ?
Thanks for this video. Obviously you are an accomplished skater. Right now in the figure skating world, with the rinks closed, everyone is trying to get their hands on inline figure skating frames but most are sold out. While I await mine, I’d like to rocker my rollerblades. My wheels are 84mm. What size should I use for the front and back?
Lisa, the banana rocker is most common in inline skating, which for your setup would be 80/84/84/80, assuming that you have a four wheel setup. It will not be like a figure skate, which has a deeper rocker at the ball of the foot, but more like an ice hockey skate. Personally, for the closest you can get to figure skates with that sort of setup.. you need to be -6mm to -8mm in the front (referred to as the City Blades Rocker).. So I use 72/80/80/76, but be aware that since you don't have the toe pick like in figure skates that this setup will take some getting used to.
You might also be interested in this video, where I demonstrate and discuss that setup.. And you can also check out #cityblades RUclips channel. Tehy are figure skaters who transitioned to street skating and came up with this unique setup. Cheers. And here's to hoping we can get back in ice figure skates soon!
ruclips.net/video/Da2weebaM6E/видео.html
Thank you! I’m going to share this video on the in-line figure skating group on fb. I think I’ll try the banana rocker first. All I have to do is convince my boyfriend to trade me half his 80s lol. That’s awesome how much you can do on the rockered inlines.
Also rewatching your video as I type this, that’s really good advice about the jumping, landing on the ball of your feet with the knee(s) bent.
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my first time using 3 wheels kinda awkward. i can't turn right and left properly with scissors possition, it's so hard to change my foot rotation. is it normal ??
Hello! What do you use the most? The front wheel uplifted or the back one?
Do you rocker your helios as well? Also, where can I find powerslide hockey triskates with carbon fiber bases (like the helios or kronos)? They only have a few models listed on their website.
I have always skated missions because where I am from they are super popular. Now that I am not worried about status, I want to keep the speed of missions but be able to do tricks like the 4 wheel roller skates. Will the trio give me that maneuverability while keeping that hockey speed? Thanks in advance.
Ive noticed most of experienced freeskaters have skates with full vinyl/plastic boot, was it a mistake by me buying Seba High Deluxe, where its not one whole shell in plastic? And what should I do about the upper inner hard plastic "strap" which doesnt allow me to buckle complete around my upper ancles/lower leg, and leaves a room of space. I've cutted a few cm's off now, but should I cut more off!? Plese help me someone...
Loved the video. But can I assume the 4x84 will be the ideal choice for me since it has the perfect balance between speed and manoeuvreability?
Hi guys, nice analysis and really helpful. what do you think about 84-90-90-84 setup? speed and maneuverability?
I’m sure both speed and maneuverability would be great, but it will of course depend on the wheelbase of the frame as well and how tightly the wheels are placed. I’d like to try your proposed setup on the Adapt skates.. if I ever get a pair.
@@DeezSkates I" am coming back since almost 20 years without skating and I've bought a freestyle pair, 90 millimeters flat setup, with a hard boot really nice, aluminium frame 290 mm , ABEC 11, I felt stuck with the flat setup then change to 84-90-90-84 full rocker setup I am feeling nice but I need to test it in a city tour. I am looking for and expert point of view, my usual were 76-80-80-76 hockey rollerblade.
I have not personally tried the 2x90/2x84 setup, so I'm just guessing. My usual four wheel rocker setup is 2x80/2x76 like yours. However, the guy from Shop Task makes those Wizard frames that are 100x4 on a slight natural rocker and he does some crazy agile stuff in them!
Can you comment on stability at higher speeds with a flat setup on the EVO's? I like to skate flat for more control while city skating (tons of hills/rough surfaces where I live), and I'm concerned that I'll lose stability with a 3x90 with the shorter frame compared to my usual 4x80.
Would love to hear your thoughts on Marsblades. Since you say you like the feel of ice skates, but are an inline channel, I would wonder what you thought.
Most people using marsblades are ice hockey primary skaters and use inline as a supplement, and I wonder how inline main riders feel about them.
Unfortunately, I have no experience with Marsblades.
@@DeezSkates I actually have a set on order, but their boot/frame combo doesn't ship until August. I'm just getting crazy about waiting :]
I will say that I’ve read quite a bit on them. They are interesting. However, from what I can tell they seem like they’d be a good training tool for a skater who can ice skate and wants to keep the muscle memory in tune without ice.. but I can’t imagine them being a replacement for rockered inlines for an inline skater. Anytime you add moving parts to an piece of equipment you create an energy outlet.. that is, energy is lost as the part moves and therefore will produce less power from the foot to the ground. Also, the wheels are flat, so it seems to me that it would have the same larger turning radius that a flat setup has while also losing power transfer in each step.
There may be something I’m missing that I wouldn’t know about without trying them, but based on what I’ve read about them, and my understanding of skating physics, that is what I would expect.
@@DeezSkates The turning radius is something that made me really curious. most people say with a flat setup they get a tighter turning radius over a hi-lo setup. I know that's not a rockered wheel setup but yeah, still an interesting concept.
I know the loss of energy is a bummer but yeah.
Since I've been watching more channels like yours and Tiago and that dude in Toronto, I just start to wonder how an inline skater would like / dislike the FEEL of them more than just "man I feel slow" but just general movement.
Hey! Which triskates with brakes do you guys recommend?? I need the brake bc most of what I do is downhill
i like this vid so mich..............thank you a lot and i subscribed in your channel......im a beginner .. give me one advice!
3 wheels no rockered or rockered front only....???
I will triy this configuration today so I will tell you about it :)
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Should I rocker my skates
Loved everything but wish you showed some protection at very least wrist guards if you ever fall it'll be hard and not the best presentation of the community
Thanks. I’ve had some hard falls, which has taught me how to fall properly. That’s a much more valuable tool of protection than wearing pads. I encourage everyone who feels the need to wear them, but it’s important that we don’t fool ourselves into believing pads are sufficient protection against lazy or bad technique. I know tons of skaters who use pads that have hurt themselves way worse than I have. As for the community. I skate for me and expect each person to think and decide for themselves what is best for them.
How do you suggest to rocker a 3 x 100mm skate that have no axel regulation?
I think most people avoid changing the position of the center wheel. As you skate the front and back wheels will wear down from turning. This will naturally create a rocker.
@@DeezSkates 84 90 90 is what i did. waay better. 84 front of c
I have a question. I want to start riding inline skates again and need to buy a new pair. What I'm looking for is a way to travel to work, so speed and comfort is what I'm looking for. Do you have any recommendations for what I could buy?
I would look into triskates that have a 100-110mm wheel setup if you’re looking for comfort, and speed with the main use being commuting. The Powerslide Next is a good, affordable place to start.
I have a really dumb basic question and I can't google for it. Is it possible/normal to take a 4 wheel skate and modify it to have 3 larger wheels instead? I've seen someone take the same boot for ice skating but I couldn't find anything about experimenting with the same boot but using different size wheels. The reason why I ask this is because new skates are expensive to buy, and I can only buy them online where I live, so I often have to return them and lose money in the process. Seems easier to just buy bigger wheels for the one pair that fits me perfectly if that's an option.
Sarah,
It is possible to change the frame of pretty much any inline skate. You will need to do research to find what you need specifically, but if you look up 195, 165, and trinity mount skates that will be a good start. Pretty much all powerslides are made with the trinity mount these days.
@@DeezSkates That is so helpful to know, thank you :)
I would like to see a test about the adapt hyperskate
I’m thinking about getting a pair of seba’s. Are they true to size? I’m thinking about getting the Igor. I have wide feet. Do you know if they’re narrow?
Jesse Naval, unfortunately I know very little about the iGor skates by Seba. I have never owned them and don’t know anyone personally who has either. However, for sizing, it’s my opinion that you should always measure your feet and compare them to the measurements in the sizing chart for the exact skate you’re looking to buy. This is the only way to be sure you get the right size.
Is it a okay to start skating with the 3 wheels or completely bad idea?
I don’t think there is anything wrong with it. When you’re beginning you maybe want to start with 90mm wheels instead of a fast big wheel setup like 110mm.. but 3x90 should be fine.
@@DeezSkates thank you
What about unrockered ordinary setup, is there a difference?
There is a difference. Bigger RUclipsrs like Ricardo Lino and Bill Stoppard have videos about that.
What size are you? Do you find it comfortable to have a little space for your toes?
I am size 9 US, and 41-42 European. I try to give myself as little room as possible, but not so tight that my toes or feet feel scrunched.
The size of the wheels means alot!
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So ilike the 4wheels
Me too! I’ve kind of changed my style since I made this video and I think four wheels fits me better now.
I’m sure you can rocker 2 wheels on the evos
I think some slalom skaters just raise the front wheel and have the back 2 wheels the same height
Only the center and rear wheels are adjustable. The front wheel has a stationary axel.
I was close buying Igor pro at the time, but ended up with High Deluxe, cause the salesman said it might turn out to be an "overkill" - now I think I will go for a pair of triskates, and I have a wide foot - so which brand and model could be recommended for me, and what wheel size for city skating and in concrete skatepark Copenhagen?
I hear that Powerslide boots are more for slim feet, is that correct!?
I would say that Powerslide is a bit on the slim side, yes. My feet are a "standard" width (D width in hockey skates), and they are pretty snug on me. If your feet are wide I would find a way to try them on before you invest the money.
@@DeezSkates good point, I will diff. do as you recommend then..
just saying i mite be rong but manufacturers state that 3 wheel skates are faster from the start but the overall max speed on 3 wheels is lower the 4 wheels with is why all speed skates are 4 wheels
still loved the video crazy how its still viable today but how dose it feel to be higher up on 90 and 110 and 125 mm wheels
Top speed is largely based on wheelbase, so this is somewhat true considering most four wheel setups have a longer wheels base, but that’s due to pushing power and wheelbase. If you roll down a hill with 4x100 and 3x125 and time yourself to the bottom with each, the 3x125 will win because smaller wheels can never actually achieve a higher speed than larger wheels overall. It’s just that putting them on a shorter wheelbase means you will likely not achieve the top speed as well as you would on four wheels.
@@DeezSkates thanks man and keep up the grate work i ordered my first pair of inline skates after about 8 years and they get here on Friday, got the frx as well. i have a question though sins you have been skating for a long time i didnt get an extra set of wheels how much can you get out of a set and whats the best hardness?
nick marte
Depends on how ya skate. If you do a lot of hockey drills and slide and stuff they’ll wear out faster. If you’re just getting back into it and wanna get reacquainted and learn some cool new stuff. I think the general 85a is good for the road. It’ll be soft enough to grip and hard enough not to tear up to quick. Cheers bro, and welcome back to the skate fam! 😉
@@DeezSkates thanks man stay safe
i see i need a second boot.....
Have you ever tried a 3x110mm? what's the benefits of a 3x90mm?
Corey Phillips
I have 3x90, 3x100, and 3x125, but I have never tried 3x110. Like most skates, the smaller wheels allow more agility, but have a lower top speed. The larger wheels handle speed well and are a little less responsive. However, triskates have a short wheel base that allows a good balance between power and speed. 3x100 is my favorite for a fast and agile skate out in the city.
@@DeezSkates What could you suggest cruising town and doing tricks/jumps?
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I've try triskate and i think that it hart my back ( i have a problem). you think it's a true sensation or only suggestion. Thanks
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Alex! Only a doctor can give you a good answer for that! So sorry to hear you hurt yourself. 😞
@@DeezSkates
My doctor don't know if the central wheel of triskate tranfer all the vibration to the back😂. On the 4 w the vibrations are distribuited on all of them...i think