DON'T USE FRETWRAPS! | Guitar Talk
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- Опубликовано: 8 май 2023
- I have a different perspective on this topic compared to many people. This is because I see more negative aspects than positive ones in this tool. I hope my explanation makes sense to you too.
I'd also like to hear your thoughts about this.
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It would have been better if I had mentioned in the video: Some friends gave the examples of Guthrie Govan in the comment section. It should be remembered that the noise from the open strings and the vibration noise from the guitar's hardware are different things with different solutions. The sounds from the open strings can be prevented during playing with correct techniques. However, unwanted sounds from hardware (headstock string noises after the nut, string vibrations, whammy bar & bridge noises) can only be prevented with tools such as these. When we look at guitarists like Guthrie Govan (except for rare moments), we see that they use these tools to cut them off after the nut. Some guitarists can also solve this by placing a sponge underneath the string instead of using fretwrap.
I use fret wraps when I'm recording a track with tapping, and I also love to not use them on my metal shred runs because I can control staccato muting with my right hand and it just sounds better.
97% of the guys who have them use them as post nut dampeners for extreneous string noise for stop start type staccato type things, not for this application.
That's really fucking dumb! Why would anyone care about noise from the nut to the tuners? Use them between the nut and the bridge and you'll be amazed how cool it is! You can play first position chords up and down the neck! It really unleashes a lot of possibilities!
Exactly why I use them, I can't un-hear the high pitch behind the nut sound in my amp when I do a quick stop on the guitar!
@@adriangravelle1520 Sounds like a medical issue. ;)
@@joeking433Rock Guitarist in a loud band, you might have a point, lol
@@adriangravelle1520but your deaf fans can’t hear it. Your guitar ringing out is exactly what it’s made to do: ring out. If you’re getting an odd sympathetic resonance, it’s like that your nut needs some help.
Fretwraps make it easier getting the perfect take without worrying too much about the other strings. But yeah using them when practicing definitely isn't a good idea. I've only used a fretwrap once and that was a sloopy hairband from my girlfriend xd, but yeah can't say I liked it that much. I prefer playing without one.
I use FretWrap always when I'm tracking, and took it out whenever I practice. I totally agree your points. I wouldn't mind using it in streaming live as well, just for the listeners sake :D This is the way
I have 2 demons fighting inside me:
-Use fretwraps and not worry about muting when tapping difficult stuff.
-Not use one because it makes things easier,and tell myself EVERYONE does it.
But tbh...i don't think it matters as long as the music is good.Greg howe uses it,Guthrie govan uses it,a lot of these players rely on it and who am i to say it's a gimmick
Don't be stupid and fall for that snob crap! Use one, it's awesome!
You sound a LOT better with the fret wrap! What kind is that?
They are an absolute necessity when playing a Midi Guitar, such as the Triple Play and any other Midi pickup guitar. Also during recording it stops a lot of extra notes and harmonics that can slip into the mix. The only time I could see this being a problem is if you plan to use a lot of open strings while you are playing.
Killer tone,Baris.
I'll just throw this out there: I had a bass that had ringing at the headstock (I play bass and guitar). I got a fretwrap, put it above the nut, and it cured the problem. I always keep them on hand in case of another instrument ringing at the headstock or like at a stop tailpiece. I also use them at the first fret for a very specific exercise; practicing to force myself not to play open strings (doesn't do anything, but it prevents me from using those notes). I would theoretically use them without remorse if I was recording a specific part that needed to be really clean or if I wanted to get rid of certain overtones in legato, but its never come up. I don't understand people recommending them to beginners for practice as beginners really need to master muting technique.
Exactly. I use fretwraps, I have been recording music for years and I already have technique I requiere for my music. When I record, mix, and master without the fretwraps I know what I am doing and I am confident in my technique, sounds clean. I use guitar just to make music, for production, which is basically what you are saying here, its for production. I just simply want everything sound as clean as possible, knowing already that without it it will sound clean as well. I mean fretwraps are usefull but at the end of the day if you don't have a good technique and dynamic control riggages and solos will sound bad no matter what. This might be dangerous for beginners as you said, which won't even develop a proper technique of muting strings, and controlling dynamics overall specially with high gain. This tool is for someone who already makes music and understand music making. When I started making music, I was still ignorant about many stuff, so I took it seriously to become better at everything and I haven't even got to the point yet in which I say, I am prepared enough to release my music. My point is there are no shortcuts. Not about the ingredients but about the chef. When I was just starting out researching for gear for example googling best studio monitors 2024 type of stuff, everyone says, you still have to develope your ears to that monitors. They can have the best flat response you still have to develope your ears, your technique. Good analysis
Very nice playing!
That Tone
Wait, isn't the fret wrap supposed to go on the part of the strings between the nut and the tuners? It looks extremely wrong and will just mute any open strings that you're playing though...
No, it won't do shit if you put it on between the nut and the tuners. Just save your money. But it is awesome to use between the nut and the bridge! Your solos will sound SO much better! You also don't have to barre chords, just play them in the first position anywhere on the neck! Amazing!
@@joeking433 That is incorrect. It will remove the resonance of the strings at the top for guitars that "ring." Many kinds of guitars have that issue, and that ringing can definitely affect the tone of the guitar. This is exactly why I use one. Not for the reasons demonstrated in this video.
@@BeatsbyTheHuman It doesn't affect the tone, LOL! The best guitarists in history never used one! And the guitarists these days suck in comparison to Page, Beck, Clapton, Gilmour, etc!
If you have a guitar that rings, yes, it absolutely can. The overtones of the strings behind the nut add unpleasant harmonics. It doesn’t matter what whoever you saw use live, they absolutely did use things like a sponge (commented by the video creator even) under the strings to control those sounds in the studio (edit)because it’s super unpleasant.
You are factually incorrect. Overtones do effect tone, especially when they’re dissonant.
But your original statement is “it won’t do shit,” which again, is absolutely incorrect. Play any rhythmic palm muting riff with a guitar that rings and you hear it immediately, it can dirty up chords and makes lead single notes occasionally sound out of tune with themselves. Muting behind the nut eliminates this.
@@BeatsbyTheHuman Silly and anal retentive. None of my guitar heroes of the 60's and 70's used such silly devices and their music is still far better than any of the worthless shit from the guitarists of today.
I deal with unwanted string noise constantly from clients. Often times I'll just use one for my own peace of mind and to move the session along. But while putting it on I'm usually giving a gentle suggestion to "practice your string muting a little more so we don't have to do this next time." I only use one at the top of the neck behind the nut to remove string resonance that no amount of control can fix. I personally never use one above in front of the nut.
So….the fretwrap will make me …….faster? Would have been a good time to play the same thing, with and without wrap….
I am not an amazing player but I’m learning and I love to mess around with little riffs and melodies i Crete and record them on the laptop. As soon as I started recording myself I really started noticing my flaws and especially unwanted noise when using high gain tones, I’m getting better at keeping the noise under control though and I kinda feel like playing plugged in isn’t just about making noise, it’s equally about not making noise too and keeping it nice and crisp. I wanted to research these wraps before buying one, and to be honest I would consider using one when I’m recording a tricky section and am struggling to not make unwanted noise. Like for that situation and while I’m still learning and getting better it’d really help in some areas but I don’t want it to become an easy way out and something I can’t play without, I’d like to be able to grab any guitar anywhere and be confident to pick it up and play without having to be like ‘ooh wait while I drive home and get my fret wrap’
By the way I checked out your song in the description, it’s pretty decent! Do you teach guitar aswell?
I play fingerstyle so wraps help. I dont use them when i use a pick
Nice playing sir 👌
fret wrap can also get rid of the noise from the LEFT side of your finger while tapping. That part of the string is unmutable without a fret wrap.
Sorry but I can mute all the strings while tapping without a fretwrap.
@@barisbenice no the LEFT side of your finger. It's between the nut and your finger. For example when you tap on the 13th fret, the nut to the left side of your finger will generate a 12th fret tone. No way you can mute those
I've been playing for 15 years, and I've never felt the need to use a fret-wrap, but I have some thoughts. I find myself disagreeing quite heavily with a lot of the comments on this video and videos like it. "Crutch", "training wheels", and "cheating" (which I saw on another video) shouldn't be words that are used when describing playing guitar. ALL that matters is what the final music sounds like. I have no more respect for a person who intentionally makes playing their instrument more difficult than one who doesn't. I mean, do you get brownie points for playing Free Fallin' without a capo? Talk like that feeds into this larger narrative you see everywhere these days that playing guitar is a competition, which is frankly sad.
I agree with learning to mute your strings from a "learning strategy" perspective like you are describing, but to me that's where the buck stops. No judgement here on people who use fret wraps; live and let live.
Hi! Great tone! What is your delay setting?Thanks
With or without fretwrap, your playing is excellent anyway.
Thanks a lot!
Hayir teşekkürler hoş geldin Sizi sosyal medyada yeni takip etmeye başladım. En güzel Türkçemle Hollanda'dan selamlar. Hope Google translate did not mess this translation up?
Abi ben de yeni elektro gitar çalmaya başladım ondan önce 2.5 sene akustik çaldım. Şimdi telleri susturmakta zorlanıyorum özellikle sweeplerde ve riflerde sıkıntı oluyor alt telleri çalarken elimin altıyla üst telleri susturabiliyorum ama yukarılara çıkınca sıkıntılar başlıyor. Fretwrap düşünüyordum alsam mı ne yapsam diye sonra en iyisinin temiz çalma kabiliyetimi geliştirmek olduğunu fark ettim. Kayıt falan alacağımda kullanırım tabi ama pratik yaparken kullanılması sağlıklı değil bence de. Bu video da kararımı iyice pekiştirmiş oldu teşekkür ederim🙏 Susturma tekniklerini bekliyoruz, seviliyorsun abi🤘
Damn how are you getting that tone??
Without the fret wrap lol
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Turkce icerige ihtiyacimiz var buyuk adam herkes icin senden ogrenmek guzel olur
En azindan altyaziya
Teşekkürler Boray ilgin için. Otomatik Türkçe altyazı seçeneği mevcut aslında ayarlarda. Büyük ölçüde tutarlı da çeviriyor.
See them all the time on Bass guitars between the nut and tuners, can't say I have ever seen one on a electric and I've seen 1000's of video's.
They've been used for solos on records for years! They're the secret to many great solos!
@@joeking433Yup you can spend an hour to get a great take or 10 minutes with a dampener. Time is money, bills gotta be paid!
Is using a capo cheating too?
When a person listens to a great recording they dont give a rats a$$ whether a dampener was used or not. It makes is way faster to get perfect takes, time is money, bills gotta be paid!
@@jhrdrake7205 This ^
Studio time is expensive, it's either tape or a fret wrap, old school session guys like Tim Pierce used tape on strings not in use for decades.
No, but a capo is a useless tool mostly.
All I have to say is:
If Victor Wooten uses a fret wrap on his 4 stringbl bass, I'll use one on my 6 string bass...
Tapping.
I thought this was about fret wraps, not some dude waving his feather around!
Mastering left- and right- hand damping is rudimentary from the start. Oherwise, an electric guitar sounds like screeching seagulls.
Fretwraps!? Do people have no pride?! (Just kiddin'...kinda...maybe not...definitely not...)
Play cleanly and you wont need a fret wrap...
Never used one and never will.
Nah, that's just stupid arrogance. It's like telling someone to walk to work instead of driving. It's just worthless and conceited advice for goofballs.
Sure Yngwie lol Fretwraps speed up the recording process, time is money. No one ever turned off a Victor Wooten recording because he used one. Its just ego nonsense to say otherwise.
@@joeking433 Yeah, that's how most kids thing now-a-days. Anyway...
@@GordiansKnotHere That's how smart, non-arrogant guitarists (is there such a thing?) think nowadays.
@@joeking433 Of what?
ok so ive been on and off with the guitar for 15-17 years and today i found out about this maybe because i play classical guitar and never touched and will never touch an electric guitar in my life
ok?
I use fret wraps never. Let your guitar have its “free the nipple” moment.
This is stupid! Music is about sound not technique. When you listen to good music do you care that a fret wrap was used? no.. you enjoy the music. Although technique does matter to a certain extent. beyond a certain level nobody cares except other musicians. Music is for the listener
Calm down man. What's that anger?
Guitar training wheels. Just learn to play better. Practice, Practice, Practice!
That's like telling someone to only play guitars with 1/2" action like REAL MEN, LOL!
Quiet opinionated, what is the name of your album?
You don’t need a fretwrap if you know how to play. It’s a crutch.
Guthrie Govan has used a fret wrap but I guess he doesn’t know how to play lol
Is everything Guthrie does correct?
@@barisbenice No. dude still knows how to play lol
Damn I hate the hell our of heavy metal guitar.
Tell that to Matteo Mancuso
Kirli çalmaya çalışmış hali benim en temiz performansımdan temiz :) süpersin @Barisbenice
Ah....no. I can't see the point. Isn't this problem solved with practice? 🤔
Practice is for wimps!
@@joeking433 LOL
@@mxkguitar Wasn't a joke.
I happy for you that you dont need practice (I'let that statement speak for itself). I have to work at my talent, it didn't come pre-installed. 😂
@@mxkguitar Practice is FOR those with NO talent! It's just a way to sell guitars, man! The whole musical industry is predicated on the false assumption that anyone can be a talented guitarist. We used to have few guitars but talented artists playing them. Now we have a shitload of guitarists but still only a few talented ones.
Notifications doing their jobs, a rare sight. Thanks for the video in advance abi 🫡
Edit after watching:
Totally agree with you on this matter. Sometimes you just have get “the take”. Fretwraps come in handy then. But yes, one shouldn’t rely on it entirely.
Thanks for the comment Uygar 🤘🏽
Брат, давай что-то новое это мы уже проходили, ты конечно маэстро и мы это знаем......
И пальцы так же бегают по грифу......