Golden Rule, which applies to all things technical ... "Don't do nuthin' dumb." Be discreet and sensible, and ignore the Regulators as much as possible.
Yes spot on. One problem is that you have to declare you use an open fire/burner etc with your house insurance ( not worth risking it with Sod's law!) so the powers that sniff could find you out that way if they had two cells to rub together- sö probably safe for awhile..
Totally agree: As an intelligent and tech-savvy person, it's your DUTY to ignore regulations! I teach technology at a college (but am a human factors guy at heart) - we know that around 83% of the Western population are dumb as f**ck. These people are the ones targeted in those regulations and it should be clear that they/we are merely the pawns in the old "money needs to be kept flowing" game... we should try our best to work, research and live outside this domain created by dumb/greedy people FOR dumb people.
@@squiggymcsquig6170 In the states we call 'regulators' 'inspectors'. I do building (rental) maintenance (people are pigs). I don't usually need my work inspected but when I do the work is well within regs and I never try getting over on the inspector. The inspector assumes some responsibility when signing off a job or work. And my butts partially covered.
I'm so glad I made the investments that I did several years ago. I'm energy independent, off-grid here in Finland. I heat with wood from my own forest, solar powers the rest of my house augmented with a generator running (recycled) vegetable oil (or diesel/fuel oil) for the three winter months where solar is barely available.
I agree, here in the southern US I'm working on getting solar installed, will have excess electricity, I can pump as much water as I ever need from my well, deposit it back into my private septic system, and burn the trees that grow on my land. (Mostly just picking up dead stuff!) Not only is it nice to know I don't need anybody else to provide those things, I also don't have a power bill, a water bill, a sewer bill, or a garbage bill! As somebody who used to live in the suburbs and pay a bill for everything I would never do that again...
Most of these regulations are because insurance companies don't want liability and fuel companies want more profit. Same old story, if you want answers, follow the money.
Sure. They just burn down their houses. Or flood them with CO. Home building codes aren't written for good engineers. They're written to protect home owners from cheap contractors, and neighbors from incompetent diy'ers. If you don't want to bother with such regulations, move out into rural area where they're generally much more lax.
The problem with that mentality is that it leaves people with little or no means of dealing with people who for sundry reasons simply aren’t going to do right. Just look at the shots how the US is degenerating into.
I came across a fella who recently built mass heater on RUclips, he quoted your channel as his inspiration. It was pretty much a wood burning stove made from a few gas bottles but the mass part was removable from the fire. You heat your mass outside and then carry that mass inside once up to temp. I believe his name on here was Lee Jones.
cool, reminds me of a greg ovens video where he does some survival tips, it invovled heating a rock after shorting your car battery to start a fire, then putting the rock inside the car to heat up the cab and it worked really well to my surprise. Say your car broke down /ran out of gas in the middle of nowhere in wintertime this would be a way to heat yourself. He even cooked a steak on it while it was in there... lots of heat mass hehe
@@mikejones-vd3fg be careful when heating rocks as they may contain moisture which turns to gas and builds enough pressure to turn into a literal grenade.
I saw that. It was a chimney add on that was a sand battery. The Mrs would kill my if tried running that in the house, also I bet it still smells of chimney
Heres a trick, install a well insulated rocket stove in your garden and then transport the heat into your house using water and antifreeze in pipes. That way you can circumnavigate nearly all of the silly rules, especially if you keep the plumbing separate. Many are put off solar thermal because of attaching panels to roofs and the plumbing involved. But simply put the panel in the garden at ground level, have the insulated cylinder outside or in a shed and use a separate plumbing run avoiding any involvement with your combi boiler hot water which a lot of people tend to have intalled. Have separate hot taps from your outdoor tank to use between late Feb and late Oct.
But yh , easy done with a bypass on the boiler prv,s pump etc, could set it up on a standard house reall easy, soz been looking and heat banks recently
I like your way of thinking! Very much like my own! Finding ways to do what I like without getting into too much trouble! Thank you for being who you are and sharing your brilliant ideas with like-minded people!!
You know an American boy like myself, back in the day, could have really used you far over people like Bill Nigh the science guy. You are amazing and I wish I could come study under you. Have a beautiful day!
I love the idea of the rocket stove. Plan on making one this winter. Have you given any thought to making it a gasifier as well by adding some tubing along the vertical chimney, from near the base (to heat up the air) and plumbing, plugging, welding them into/near (maybe an inch or two down) the top of the chimney. Or are they already efficient enough that you don't need that extra step for a super clean/hot burn? Sorry about the long rambling sentence...
I was thinking along similar lines to you but then saw a comment from a guy who ran a hot water pipe from the rocket stove to an old truck radiator, with a electric fan attached to a 12 volt battery means you are blowing warm air into your house, bit like how your car engine is cooled but in reverse, seams the easiest way to achieve this so this is the way I'm inclined to go
It’s the same thing with outdoor wooden buildings. As long as they are “moveable” then they don’t need planning permission. Hence lots of wooden stables that are built on metal skids and can be dragged by a tractor.
You can keep warm if you wear the proper clothing and put a couple of Zippo pocket/hand warmers inside your clothing. They burn naptha or lighter fluid. In my grandparents day they would heat rocks, then place them under the bed blankets at their feet.
@@Jollyprez my parents used to tell me stories about those old earthenware hot water bottles that were common years ago. Basically a hot water bottle made of clay with a threaded stopper and rubber seal. Not only were they hazardously hot when filled with boiling water, but you could do yourself some serious damage if you kicked them whilst turning over in your sleep! Ah, the good old days! Best wishes.
Among light and ultra light backapcking communities, there is a common philosophy that it makes far more sense and is far more "leave no trace" to just bring adequate insulation rather than make fires and the like. The only area that this does not translate well to as far as home situations, is the issue of water pipes freezing. Unfortunately, you need a certain amount of heat in the house to keep this from happening. We have a well system, with a water bladder/tank underneath the house. Despite this being under the house, even sometimes when it only gets to around 10*F or so, it can start to freeze up and we loose running water. Thankfully, no pipes have so far burst.
Hi Rob I looked into this a while back and found a few useful sites explaining that you can fit your own stove and get building regs to come and inspect it to get all the relevant certificates there are several companys that will sell you a stove and help you with the application The main problem is the local councils seem reluctant to come out and sign them off despite it being law that they have to where as in scotland the average person is deemed capable of installing their own stove no questions asked go figure 🤣
Don't worry...they'll get around to Scotland soon enough. The required paperwork, inspections, regulations, restrictions, and associated costs will spread and increase until anything that makes a flame will be criminalized, right down to candles. Every person will be required to be on an electric meter for 100% of their heat, cooking, and light.
So, for our nanny state, make your own with water jacket inside, stick wheels and a handle on, park it up just outside your house (not installed), and run feed and return pipes through your wall connected up to regular CH system. Two 22mm holes through the wall should not require building regs. Added bonus is you don't need an expensive stainless steel flue liner up your chimney. This is the problem with our bureaucrats, they may be smart (or think they are) but totally lacking pragmatism!
I was thinking of this too, and going further by having a chimney buried in a mass in the house with an entrance point drilled in the wall connected to the burner outside as you suggest. The chimney part would extract more heat but not count as the burner and only be temporarily connected
@@jameslynch8738 I think eventually they will just say that any heating equipment has to have some kind of certificate, and its all about getting everyone to pay for power that the wealthy have shares in, same with food
I bought a new Calor cabinet heater to use 2 full/half full gas bottles that have been in my shed for years. Looking up their website to find a local re-filler, I found a notice that Calor are not selling new bottles/licences at the moment. There appears to be a current gas bottle shortage? You can only buy refills now. So if you order a Calor cabinet heater online, make sure that it comes with a bottle. Or that you can get one locally off Ebay first. In my area empty 15kg bottles are now being listed for up to £40 on Ebay.
Fascinating and informative as always. I've been toying with the idea of a rocket mass heater for some time and was aware of the issue with building regulations and insurance companies etc. It's a pity that despite the relatively low costs (financial and environmental) in "manufacturing" (albeit on a bespoke individual basis) and "installing" such heaters and the apparent very high efficiency of such devices compared to the best woodburners we are unlikely to see more of these in the UK in future. I suppose we will have to rely on Scandinavian ceramic stoves (if you can find/afford one ) or even the more exorbitant costs and dubious environmental benefit of air/ground source heat pumps to keep warm in Winter. Sadly it seems we are falling into the trap of big business legislating us away from "warmth justice" or "winter comfort freedom" :(
@Richie Reports UK - YES! There are assorted ameliorations on offer, but air-source heat pumps have a fundamental problem when that air is moist and near freezing, which is pretty much your standard British Rural Winter... Carelessly installed ground source ones have been known to convert a perfectly good car park into an ice rink when the climate feels like it. My old MP (now retired, like me) was unable to suggest any member of the Westminster Wonders who could actually repair or maintain things, like a bicycle chain or a PC. Muppets, the lot of them! 🙄
I don't care what the law says. I do what is best for my family and I. The wealthy rich don't follow the law. Do NOT expect me to either. I built a pellet stove that burns ground up tires. Great way to recycle old tires
Nice educational videos Bob, have been following for sometime and love your sense of English sarcasm and your enthusiasm - it is truely electric, a man of my own heart. but unfortunately as you explain here, we have what now results in a restrictive law, that we wish to adopt even though we are no longer within the EU, that now endagers the existance of those whom have a choice to make. Heating or Eating, and yes a country as rich as ours ( sarcasm ) does have a population that has those choices to make as they cannot and do not have enough money for both. On a foot note, without invention we will not go forward and laws kill the inventors. Keep up the good work and don't lose your sense of humour.
The US EPA has done something similar with wood stoves. New installations have to catalyze the wood gas. It is more efficient, but much more expensive.
It is not that hard to achieve. You just have to insulate the wood burning chamber and add a secondary combustion chamber. These are not only far cleaner burning, but more efficient. It is kind of win win (except for people that are very poor), though it is more expensive. Imagine if a majority of people in the US installed one of the old woodstove systems--the air would get rather polluted and faster than most would think. The Euro regulations seem a lot more strict, and frankly, borderline unreasonable in some areas. But at the same time, they have a lot more areas that are more population dense, so that probably factors in. If the governments of the world were really so concerned with pollution and collective health though, then they should be incentivizing people to do home geo thermal--one of the most efficient ways of both heating and cooling homes. Also doing research on how to make these systems more affordable and more efficient. For example, I have thought that using large copper pipes like the little heat pipes* in computer systems, makes a lot of sense. You drill down to whatever depth is necessary for your area, stick one of these large, essentially heat pipes in there. Leave the bottom part uninsulated, and insulate the rest while wrapping these in smaller copper tubing carrying water to and from an insulated tank (which runs also to a radiator inside). Basically, whatever energy or lack is in the ground that you are trying to use, gets transmitted very efficiently and rapidly, so that you need less material and space to get similar temps. *Heat pipes are little copper tubes that have a combo of a wicking material, a little distilled water, and medium vacuum sealed in same. The combo of coppers high thermal conductivity along with the quick and constant phase change of water within from liquid to gas and back and forth, combines to move A LOT of energy very quickly and efficiently. These are used to cool the CPU's of computer systems very quickly and efficiently.
Dont ask permission just ask forgiveness. If you can't afford to pay for fuel you can't afford to pay a fine. We are free men and have a human right to live comfortably and there's no legislation that will cause my kids to be cold for even a minute. Good luck to everyone and thankyou for this channel.
As long as you don't suffocate your neighbors it's all good in my book, but there are some obnoxious ways to produce heat lol. Like those turbocharged barrel burners that can smoke out an entire town.
Well first rule in all this, don't openly state your intentions and plans on the I-net unless you are good at covering your tracks. Otherwise, you just let some database and agency know exactly who and what to look for.
Isn't it nice that all of these public servants, who apparently work for us, are keeping themselves busy making life hard and/or expensive for regular folk.
They are minions appointed by those making money out of these control scams, example, they want you to drive an electric car, but calculate how many megawatts of power that would require if everyone had one, just for cars we would need an additional one third electricity generation capacity at least, where is that coming from? Their plans don't add up.
@@LOFIGSD at least not without large scale die off. Purely coincidental that there are increasing numbers of sudden unexplained deaths in more recent times. Stay safe out there.
@@johnwhite5198 the figures imply there is going to be many less people with cars or many less people, or some magic new way to generate electricity cheaply, which will also heat everyone and run all the commercial and public transport, whatever, I ain't convinced and definitely not injecting anything that I don't need.
Here in New Zealand we have the RMA "resource management act" which makes your Eco 2022 look like swiss cheese. We can't even burn rubbish in the back yard.
We burn nearly everything here in the US, including human remains (in a crematorium). We've refined the burning process to reduce or eliminate the produced smoke.
Thanks for the info... here in the states I watch the UK as our canary in the coal mine (huh, huh? ya see what I did there??) Much appreciated and explained so well.
what !? I live in NZ ,we are watching America ,watching the UK ,to see what happens ....[ except our litle socialist has decided to try and be top of the class to please Claws Swab ..darn ..whish we'd picked a flying bird as a ntional icon ].
Best ever way to dry firewood is in a glass-fronted display fridge, paint it matt black inside, ensure there's a little airflow and place your damp wood on the shelves. Face it into the sun. Mine has got up to 90c [North UK] . Tether it against winds as they are vulnerable and it'll last forever.
You're a treasure, brother. Believe me, we have to deal with the "Mrs. Grundy" regulators here in the US, too. Fortunately, I'm in the Deep South where the bureaucracy disease is less pervasive than in most other parts of the country. I'm about to charge and light my wood stove and I may prime it with a little used motor oil. You know... just to be contrary.
Thanks very good advice. IMHO (for apocaloptimists) it's worth having an outdoor portable rocket stove or basic brick stove with & a stock of dry wood in reserve as a basic "prepping" device if grid energy fails in WW3, in a weather extreme, or in a massive solar flare/coronal mass ejection. The odds of such events happening have been shortening in recent troubled times & unfortunately can no longer be ruled out as complete fantasy! Once into such a situation it's then probably too late to get the ideal materials together for cooking (prepped supplies?) or for boiling water if that becomes necessary. So being prepared (for a small cost) gives some peace of mind
"...or in a massive solar flare/coronal mass ejection." There is a definite probability that the above is going to happen. That probability grows ever stronger as the earth's magnetic field strength weakens more and more as time passes (as is happening). We are starting to see unusual and unexpected auroras more and more because of this. The earth's magnetic field acts as a shield and protector for the earth against these Solar storm events. Along with the ever weakening magnetic field (a non linear and exponentially increasing event--started very slowly after the Carrington event but around 2000 rocketed in speed), we are now starting to move into another Solar max cycle--one that is now being predicted to probably be stronger than previously expected, and likely with another double peak type cycle. Meaning, in the next few years or so, especially, this probability will increase, because the Sun tends to be more unstable and energetic during Solar max cycles. The problem is, when something like this happens, people will have much bigger concerns than just heating. For many people, staying in their homes won't be a safe option, especially if one lives in a populous area or relatively near a populous area. There will be migrations out from the cities into the more rural areas of hordes of people, not a bit unlike zombies, seeking food, water, and with fear and aggression at all time highs. When they see homes with well stocked and readied provisions, the temptation will be strong to take what is not theirs.
Water is what everyone overlooks, a water filter is cheap and not having one is silly, with any Prepping start by planning from minor inconvenience to major shtf scenarios and even having to evacuate.
Yeah, I get it. From the governments perspective saving the planet is all good so long as they profit monetarily from it. It is that way in most places. It is unfortunate, but that is how it is currently. Thanks for the helpful information Rob! A good example of this kind of thing by the government is the fact that if I make my own fully homemade solar setup I can't use it without first disconnecting my self from the electric utilities entirely. Problem with that is that the water utilities will not allow me to have city water unless I am hooked up to the electrical grid and vice-versa. There is also legislation to keep us from having our own gardens, though it is not enforced it is still there should the local government choose to use it for their own profit. It works like this: if you grow a garden then you are in their eyes a farm and a farm must have all sorts of compliances to follow. They do not make people here comply to that, but they could is the point. Thanks again Rob!
Hope you don't mind me linking one of my own videos, but I have a pretty effective design for a portable rocket mass heater. Would take a couple strong folk to lift and shift it once it's ~200kg of sand is in place, but it is still technically shiftable. I don't have a full proper build tutorial for it yet, but it's pretty easy.
One point, contrary to what we have been led to believe, Ecco 2022 guidelines are rules, not laws. Nothing that comes out of parliament is law it is legislation such as Acts Statutes and Mandates which all require the consent of each person they are being applied to but, authorities are permitted to assume all people do consent to the rules unless the person notifies the authority they don't consent to the rule in question. The only Laws we have are under Common Law and the Magna Carter. This can be confirmed in the Blacks Law Dictionary.
This guy was awesome in silence of the lambs and season 1 of westworld. This is a bit more boring but hey, it's still informative. Well done Sir Anthony Hopkins. Still fighting for the little people.
I went to see the left wing UK politician Tony Benn speak in Leeds shortly prior to his death. Benn was a socialist firebrand and very much in favour of regulation and big state. He said that over the course of his long life he had finally come to the conclusion that the only way to achieve anything innovative, creative or worthwhile was never to ask permission from anyone. He spoke a lot of nonsense about all manner of things but I did agree with that.
Tony Benn was a friggin legend: NHS champion, believer in investing in British manufacturing & against wars.... we need a lot more of that today. Imagine if we had new apprenticeships harnessing the genius on channels like this... investing in young ppl, making stable jobs to grow economy and so folks could start families, win win win for everyone.
@@calanm7880 I agree he did say some things that made good sense and he was fiercely patriotic. Certainly he was very proud of his country and on a human level a very compassionate man.
@@happydavid13 thank you for such a lovely and thougtful reply. I only discovered this channel a couple of weeks ago, but it is friggin awesome on so many levels. Especially in these trying times, issues regarding keeping warm, being able to cook food etc are really brought to forefront of our minds ... so this channel is absolute gold! Thanks for the wee chat, best wishes!
In Canada for many decades we have had to get permits and inspections to install permanent heaters. Some regions require a permit and inspection to change out an old heater for a new one. Some fuels have been also been illegal in most regions for decades.
I am thinking of the new Pipe rocket stove with the sand battery as the flue all welded into a sack barrow, a 1hr burn outside should charge enough energy to heat a room for at least 12 hrs. 😃
Water has a ridiculously high heat capacity (it can absorb and hold A LOT of energy). Far more than most common substances. It is more difficult to work with because it changes phase at a fairly low temp, but with the right engineering--not too difficult to surmount. If one could pipe in hot water from an outside rocket stove, to a hot water tank (uninsulated) inside, you'd be moving a lot of energy with less work and heat loss.
I like your thought process however seems optimistic to think that a one hr burn would give you that much output, what do you plan to bring it indoors after each burn?
@@paulferris2218 I was thinking in the lines of a stainless steel beer keg filled with sand instead of the small/med gas bottle that was used in the sand battery video, The trick of designing a rocket stove when charging a sand battery is to design it so the heat goes into the sand battery not exhausted out of the flue, the trick is to drop a stainless steel mantle down the flue pipe to where the flame & Battery is positioned to superheat the pipe at that point, I have not looked at the calcs as yet but I would not be surprised if a beer keg (normal size) which I believe is 72 pints when charged to 500 to 600 C could hold in the region of 8 to 9 Kw, If the Keg is lagged correctly to slow release the heat it would last many hrs. (Look up Sand Battery by Lee Jones)
Just done some rough calcs on storage for beer keg sizes charged to 500 C - a quarter barrel will give around 4.4Kwh (29.3 l keg -5 l for the flue estimated = 24l x 1.6 = 38.4kg of sand, So calc for energy storage for a quarter barrel would be 38.4Kg x 835 J x 500 C = 16MJ / 3.6 = 4.45 Kwh), using the same calcs for other size Kegs and taking into account spaces for the flue I got 10 Gal Keg which is 37 ltrs ( -7 for flue) gives 4.6Kwh, 50 Ltr ( -10 for Flue) Import Keg gives 7.4 Kwh and a Half Barrel 58 Ltr Keg ( -8 For Flue) gave 9.27 Kwh estimated but should not be too far off.
Prosecution for failing to meet building regs can only be done up to 2 years after the work is completed. Enforcement notices requiring noncompliance to be remedied can only be served up to 1 year after completion. Just sayin'...
Thanks Robert as usual well meaning regulation used to stifle innovation and common sense. I wonder what the reality of enforcement will be by local councils.
There will be virtually no enforcement (unless you're in a block of flats and someone complains). Most of the enforcement is actually indirect via the form of invalidated insurance.
The council will send the enviromental health around the streets smelling for smoke & knocking on doors - in my area they have a "sniffer" on a telescopic stick that they can raise to roof level - of course they would have to be in your street when you had your stove on - or rely on "neighbours" grassing on you !!
@mr grumps But they use us to do it to ourselves. It is our families/friends/neighbours that enact what the controllers wants. The masses have been programmed, hypnotised to enact these things. Only by searching truth, seeing reality can the spell be broken. Best wishes.
The furnances may not have laws in your area. But do check out what your insurance allows. In my region insurance corps can void insurance claims from non compliant permanent installations. Space heaters get around this by being portable or temporary. Just never admit you use them as a primary heat source. Thanks everyone, stay safe.
telling people they shouldn't burn green, unseasoned wood at least seems legit to me, because others will be breathing that harmful smoke in. there's a house near where i live whose chimney often belches out a smelly concoction that stings the eyes as you walk past in the street. i used to live in a town where most houses used wood stoves and i had to stop going out for evening walks during the winter as it felt like i was getting asthma from all the smoke
A fuel that I feel is very Eco Compliant. Pellets! Especially if you make it yourself from ground up branches, plant stalks, corn or any other grain, or plants like grasses. Even a rocket stove can be set up to burn pellets. All you need is a hopper to hold the bulk fuel (pellets). A feed mechanism, probably a small auger. The auger could be controlled by a simple thermostat. Rocket stoves are super efficient. As for heating. To avoider the mass heater problem a small. Insulated box or heat exchanger connected to the exhaust just like a mass, but with a fan to distribute hot air.
I must say I love your videos and sense of humor. I get the impression that any government administrator would have a rough day with you in their sights. Great content I liked the candle heater and methanol heater especially. Looking forward to watching the self made washer turbines tonight.
Portable mass heater, steel farm water trough, fill with sand, top with cushions. Haul the sand and unit out of the house each summer for a cleanout. Voila, meets the definition of portable.
It's just a job creation process as they will have to start training “Wood, Coal, Oil - safe” installation engineers & inspectors. As wood is heavier than air any leakage will run around the floor causing safety issues.
May I add a few little thoughts based on my limited experience. I remember the days before the Clean Air Act and I am conscious we are screwing up the climate so I am happy with the legislation and its aims. However I dont want to freeze. You should always check local regs against smoke and particulates from indoor or outdoor fires. Yes even rocket stoves. There are many grounds for other people to complain which end in serious grief. Be wary of anything that needs a flue or fixed chimney. It quickly loses its portable status. The point about safety is a very good point. Maybe even more so in semi-detached properties. I know a guy who installed a 15kw wood stove and successfully burst the chimney apart. Dont forget ventilation indoors and be sure you understand what fuels you can store and the effect on your insurance. Remember to check if your heat source is increasing condensation etc etc creating more drawbacks than benefits. I will be in my solar powered caravan on the drive when the power cuts start but even then I can be in trouble if I sleep in it overnight if you follow local regs. IPA rocks. Heading for a copy of the Eco regs now. I need to swot. Thank you very much indeed for all your excellent videos. So grateful.
So basically (in the UK at least) if you build and give it to someone for free or if someone buys the materials and those materials happen to make a rocket stove (ie the pipe rocket stove) it is not considered "manufactured", if I'm understanding that correctly of course. I mean that is how I would look at "skirting" the regulation, I mean it isn't like those pipes were intended to be used as a stove they just happen to work really well as a stove. Also the mass heater "could" be made as a "decoration" if a fire "happens" to break out inside of it to keep someone from freezing to death I don't see that being all bad.... I mean do they really intend for people to die just to not violate a regulation? I mean there are regulations on how fast you can go down the road but not many actually drive at those speeds, yes too fast you get a ticket but just slightly over is usually ignored.
Yet another great informative video, thank you. I cannot say I am too keen on rules and regulations which reduce chances of survival. Maslow’s hierarchy of needs is embedded in our genes... especially the lower levels of the pyramid. If the time arises, when there is choice between surviving, or likely hypothermia, the no rules and regulations can buggar off. Non-governmental organisations, governments, nor anyone else has the right to endanger us, or interfere with our basic needs to live. Needless to say, I do not agree with WEF/WHO/COP, or anyone suggesting man-made global warming... and the billionaires, with their newly built mansions, 2-4 metres above sea level, obviously think similarly to me.
Compliance is all I've got from this video...Immediate association was WEF guy talking :"You'll eat z bugs and be happy" and scenes from Orwell's 1984 and the Pink Floyd's music video "The wall" . I'm all against unnecessary pollution and sensible use of resources , but this is more like - we have too much people , therefore , too much pollution , so , the solution is (at the end) , we need to depopulate (freezing , starvation , not to mention other means). This may sound extreme and too radical , but , as we speak , government in Netherlands is expropriating farms , because of "too much nitrogen in the ground" and Dutch agriculture is next to none in the world ,in terms of innovation and efficiency and reducing environmental impact , second largest exporter in Europe. Meanwhile , Germany (one of the most "green" countries in Europe ) is preparing to reopen coal mines in Ruhr , in order to start again coal burning energy plants (for some reason , they are lacking some energy...). Soon enough , legislators will remember that people exhale CO2 (and some other gases)...
I wonder ... can you build a mass that is permanent? And can you build a portable rocket core? And, could you choose to connect them from time to time? Or even just for a moment?
Run exhaust out a window insert or outdoor heater. Cob or similar bench for heat storage. Bench is a ‘bell’ which slows exhaust and retains heat exhaust a little above intake to maintain thermal driving head. Look up Batch Box by Peter Van Den Berg. He is a legend in Rocket mass heaters.
It's your home insurance company you have to fear. If you sustain damage due to an illegal or non building code device doing the damage, you could be paying hundreds of thousands of dollars/ quid to fix it. Better to put the thing outside and heat a heat exchanger then pipe the heat indoors. Of course if it's a matter of freezing to death then you have to weigh the pluses and minuses.
Staying ahead of the curve is important if you don't want the fight in court. I did solar early on but they are even changing those laws now and sooner or later it will be controlled so business only can make money at it
Rocket stoves with their high velocities are ripe for the addition of a cyclone separator. The great thing about living on boats is you do what you like. One thing might be to not install it ie put it in a shed or outhouse then pipe heat in. Regarding manufacturing just sell the plans.
You are thinking along the same lines as me,i was intending to build one and put it in my entry running pmy pipes inside to a tank, however i had planned to build a lean-to along my entry, would it then be classed as installed,?what if I put it on wheels? Any ideas?
Restrictions will increase to encompass ANYTHING that makes a flame to heat, cook, or light. EVERYTHING will have to use trackeable, billable electricity.
BTW, if it was bought / made before the eco22 still valid for install and use. Same as 17th amendment consumer units even though we are now in 18th edition and 17th don't comply with 18th edition amendments. Also is this another competent persons item because my understanding is if you do it yourself and are "competent" it's up to you as its a grey area.
If you put the rocket stove in drum of sand it could still be portable(with 2 wheel cart lol) and less likely to tip over and would be a good mass heater as well I think. Great stuff thanks for sharing all that you do with us. Much appreciated.
I think you'll be fine with your drum on a cart...right up until you hook it to a chimney; at which point it is "installed" and must meet every fuel and building requirements. Ultimately, anything that makes a flame to cook, heat, or light will be criminalized. Not even candles will be safe. Only trackeable, billable electricity will be permitted for anything.
So is any consideration taken into the carbon footprint of kiln drying wood or producing smokeless fuels before it's used by the end user? Is this just a way of cyphoning money away from the things that used to be more or less free?
Rocket stoves work great as Mass heaters. Water is an excellent mass and heat sink. If you need to keep the rocket stove "portable" then cycle the water through it to heat it up and fill barrels with hot water so you have a mass heater.
Its that dodgy area where local authorities profiteer from the regulations that they create. Having regulations for the safety of yourself and others plus the environment is one thing, authorities charging exorbitant fees to get the required certification is a whole different kettle of fish A while back I was going to put up a garden shed. I drew up the plans myself and trotted of to the local council to get it approved. They had no problems with my plans but I was asked how much it was going to cost to build. When I told them zero, because I got all of the recycled materials for free and I was constructing it myself, they insisted they still needed a price. When I asked why, they told me that the cost is what they used to determine the charge for the certification. When I offered them the very low cost of some fasteners I may have to buy they informed me that they would get an estimation of what it would cost to build the shed and charge me the fee based upon their independent findings. I told them to forget it and built my shed without approval.
A lot of this would also be down to the policing of it. If you live in a rural area with little in the way of neighbours then you won't come to much harm if you follow commonsense. We priced a commercial mass heater for our house, with delivery it was close on £9k - not something most people can just go and buy without taking out a loan or raiding all savings and selling a kidney.
And this is why I avoid all contact with the authorities as much as possible. What they don't know, can't hurt them. So, if I happened to be living in a home I'd built without planning permission or obtaining building regs and I burnt waste wood in my stove there is no way they could risk damaging their health through raising their blood pressure because they don't know about it in the first place.
I live in Ontario Canada and if you go far enough north you do not need building permits on your land. I am still a couple hours south of that but if you get along with your neighbours you can do quite a bit . I would like to build an outdoor wood boiler.
If your property has consistent sun, then you're better off using Solar heat collectors than wood stoves and the like. Have some of them pipe directly into the house as hot air and then have some pipe in to a thermal mass system so that you get heat overnight as well. I wish I could do the above, but our property has way too many trees and thus shade to do this. Even up on the roof, there are no real areas that get sun for more than a couple hours at a time. The plus side is that it keeps our house cooler in the summer and I would say our summers are more extreme, on average, than our winters. Something that most people can do, unless their ground is ridiculously rocky and/or hard is to install ground buried "geo thermal" heating/cooling systems. But unless you design and make it yourself, it is fairly expensive. I've been trying to come up with cheaper and more efficient ways of doing this, such as using the concept of those little heat pipes used to cool computer systems, in a much larger and longer copper pipe that is strategically insulated. In my area, I have to dig down to around 9' (2 meters) or so, to get a more stable/consistent comfortable indoor temps. But rather than dig long trenches or dig large and/or deep'ish, essentially wells, I would use a high powered pressure washer to dig mini holes to place these modified copper pipes that conduct the energy from below to above, and then insulate everything very well the closer it gets to the surface. Meanwhile, copper tubing carrying water will be wrapped around the verticle, larger copper pipes and insulated over the copper pipes. The hypothesis is that the vertical copper pipes that are bare towards the bottom and that are insulated at the top along with the copper coils containing the water, will far more efficiently conduct the energy to the water thus saving the space and mass needed to normally get that much energy transference. If folks can't figure out how to easily and/or cheaply put these vertical copper pipes under vacuum to lower the boiling temp of the distilled water inside, then the next best thing they can do, is to buy the finest silicon carbide powder you can and fill them up with the powder. Silicon carbide (at least some forms of it) has a high thermal conductivity (in one form, higher than copper). Won't be nearly as good as the "heat pipe" version, but far better than straight copper pipe with all that insulating/non conductive air inside.
Burning waste oil also violates a ridiculous statue of the EPA over here under the 'unlicenced treatment of hazardous materials'. Which can mean just about anything they choose, should they become aware of your existence.
Yeah. Leave it to "government" to *IGNORE* "common sense" and regulate the he11 out of anything practical. It's all about control of the plebes. Thank you for the video!
ROCKET STOVES ROCK! Despite the rules, at least one maker has developed a Rocket Stove that is moveable like most wood stoves, & has gone through the wicked process of getting UL/EPA approved, label & all. ✨The Liberator Rocket Stoves✨ are made in Missouri, USA. The cost is in similar ballpark as average woodstoves. They offer an optional pellet hopper. These stoves, especially burning wood, are much more efficient than even the best of the usual woodstoves. When we did a burn-in on ours, we used only about 5’ of 6” stovepipe; I expect even better draw, once it’s connected w/the 15’ chimney liner in the old chimney. I’ve extended the hearth to accommodate it, & rather over-engineered for safety. …1st ran wood sticks using the temporary 5’ pipe, out on the front porch; startup gave off a bit of smoke, but not terribly, as the fire chamber got so hot so fast. Within maybe 5 minutes or so, there was no visible effluent or smell. I let it run long enough to heat-temper the stove paint. …2nd, ran pellets…🤔 stove was still hot from the wood, but the effluent from the substances used to form pellets from sawdust, even after running them for 30 minutes, was nasty, stinky, ochre colored, & showed little sign of diminishing-Maybe it would, if I’d let the pellets run longer…I don’t know-it had to be stopped. It looks like we will avoid using pellets, except in emergencies. GASIFIERS: Another very good, clean-burn low-tech, is a gasifier stove. There’s a guy in Italy making beautiful artful gasifier stoves, that burn any kinds of wood bits, acorns, leaves, etc., in the internal bucket. Some adventurous tinkerers have built gasifier stoves for the back of their trucks, & run their pickup trucks on wood gas, just as well as running on gasoline. It’s a bit more work, & learning curve, but very do-able. THE RULES?!😳🙄 Know the wording of the Codes are in your area, & use those to advantage, not the officials-kinda like Robert Murray-Smith describes! Codes are composed, good, bad or average, by limited-thinkers, many are bribed by industries to preserve their profits. & those enforced by inspectors who are clueless, or, stand to profit by forcing well-built things to comply w/the inspectors’ own agendas, not so much the wording of the Codes. So, do your homework! Then, think how your project CAN be done, & still honor the Codes. OR…apply to get a “Variance”, & be prepared to comply w/turning in reports & having the thing inspected periodically-this process MIGHT need having an engineer’s report supporting it. But, it Can help Improve the Codes, too. Last but not least, you can lobby legislators who write/pass laws/Codes, to change the Codes. Here in WA State, US, it took in excess of 15 years, before Legislators even of a bubbler add-on system to keep septic tanks aerobic, therefore safe for sensitive areas-because the septic system industries, & the septic pumping industries, very big in this State, had vested interests in allowing these, because the bubblers kept the system clean & prevented it polluting ground & water, simply. Once legislators found out, there was some fury! …and the bubbler systems fairly quickly got allowed. In CA, Codes requiring vapor barriers on stick-built houses, had to get changed pretty fast, because no strawbale house can survive using a vapor barrier in its walls. Also in CA, Nadir Khalili succeeded in getting San Bernardino County to allow earthbag buildings, because he showed how those were much more earthquake-stable, in that highly-seismic region. Before that, none had much thought about better more disaster-proof building. Mike Reynolds, in NM, did the same with Earthships. Mike Oehler did similar, but revived the old “4-square mining framing” to build his”$50 Underground houses”. Let the Open-Source Plans, & tinkering, begin, in earnest!! Our homes should take care of us, NOT us constantly going broke taking care of our homes!
A Kelly kettle can be heated up to boiling with a few twigs .. the kettle part and then be lifted off the burner and brought inside if you raise it up a few inches off the floor and allow airflow underneath yeah will flow in and up the chimney heating up as it does so Transfer of heat from the hot water in Kettle area that surrounds the chimney. This is great at small areas like a caravan or a well insulated small room in your house. I imagine you could arrange for a metalworker to build a larger version to create a bigger central water-based storage heater as my Kelly kettle is only 1.6 L if you had one that was saying 10 or 28 as it would provide an awful lot of heat for quite a long time
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I like fire. As a south African I feel sorry for European people who are at or below the poverty level. This winter is going to be terrible. What happens if there is a massive or devastating cold snap? They cannot afford any of this ECCO nonsense. Millions of people freezing, starving...
As an Ex British Coal miner who along with another 200,000 men was unemployed when the uk government decided to end reliance on uk coal. I was keen to know what the alternative would be, I was expecting a huge surge towards gas or oil, This was before the climate crisis. Maybe reactors would pop up all over the uk. also no like most governments very little forward planning happened so we bought cheap foreign coal when that got to pricey we bought eco wood pellets which came from the usa on huge oil burning ships 4000 miles away. Now If every new house was built since the 1980 was a super insulated building with solar heating and solar generation installed he lets chuck in a water recovery system also a green waste recycler. compost Toilet !!!!! okay maybe i,m a dreamer. but surely a tiny bit of forward planning could ave us all using less. My rocket mass heater is installed in the garage, for the garage using very dry wood that is for the household log burner. wet wood is good for no one, unfortunatly its been so warm this year its only been on twice. Thanks for your great videos. ps do you have a set of wheels that would retrospectivly fit a 2 tonne slob of Cob, asking for a friend.
Golden Rule, which applies to all things technical ... "Don't do nuthin' dumb."
Be discreet and sensible, and ignore the Regulators as much as possible.
Yes spot on. One problem is that you have to declare you use an open fire/burner etc with your house insurance ( not worth risking it with Sod's law!) so the powers that sniff could find you out that way if they had two cells to rub together- sö probably safe for awhile..
Totally agree: As an intelligent and tech-savvy person, it's your DUTY to ignore regulations! I teach technology at a college (but am a human factors guy at heart) - we know that around 83% of the Western population are dumb as f**ck. These people are the ones targeted in those regulations and it should be clear that they/we are merely the pawns in the old "money needs to be kept flowing" game... we should try our best to work, research and live outside this domain created by dumb/greedy people FOR dumb people.
You can try to ignore the regulators....but they won't ignore you much longer.
yup, F the .gov
@@squiggymcsquig6170 In the states we call 'regulators' 'inspectors'. I do building (rental) maintenance (people are pigs). I don't usually need my work inspected but when I do the work is well within regs and I never try getting over on the inspector. The inspector assumes some responsibility when signing off a job or work. And my butts partially covered.
I'm so glad I made the investments that I did several years ago. I'm energy independent, off-grid here in Finland. I heat with wood from my own forest, solar powers the rest of my house augmented with a generator running (recycled) vegetable oil (or diesel/fuel oil) for the three winter months where solar is barely available.
As the Good Lord intended.
I agree, here in the southern US I'm working on getting solar installed, will have excess electricity, I can pump as much water as I ever need from my well, deposit it back into my private septic system, and burn the trees that grow on my land. (Mostly just picking up dead stuff!)
Not only is it nice to know I don't need anybody else to provide those things, I also don't have a power bill, a water bill, a sewer bill, or a garbage bill! As somebody who used to live in the suburbs and pay a bill for everything I would never do that again...
@@JesusSaves86AB God intended for us to pollute the planet? Weird
@@captainwin6333 idiot
@@captainwin6333 get over yourself champ. God designed forest fires which pollute are you also going to have a go at God?!
Most of these regulations are because insurance companies don't want liability and fuel companies want more profit. Same old story, if you want answers, follow the money.
Free men don't ask permission.
write your own permit
Do not comply, no consent. No contract
Agreed.
Sure. They just burn down their houses. Or flood them with CO.
Home building codes aren't written for good engineers. They're written to protect home owners from cheap contractors, and neighbors from incompetent diy'ers.
If you don't want to bother with such regulations, move out into rural area where they're generally much more lax.
Either freeze or go to jail, if the cricket diet doesn’t kill you, the drug tests will.
You can't comply your way out of tyranny
Indeed.
The problem with that mentality is that it leaves people with little or no means of dealing with people who for sundry reasons simply aren’t going to do right. Just look at the shots how the US is degenerating into.
As we are currently learning in the USA.
100% the truth.
Quality comment friend
I am so incredibly glad that you spent the time to cover this aspect of rocket stoves and other similar inventions etc... thank you.
I will say a huge YES to that
I came across a fella who recently built mass heater on RUclips, he quoted your channel as his inspiration. It was pretty much a wood burning stove made from a few gas bottles but the mass part was removable from the fire. You heat your mass outside and then carry that mass inside once up to temp. I believe his name on here was Lee Jones.
cool, reminds me of a greg ovens video where he does some survival tips, it invovled heating a rock after shorting your car battery to start a fire, then putting the rock inside the car to heat up the cab and it worked really well to my surprise. Say your car broke down /ran out of gas in the middle of nowhere in wintertime this would be a way to heat yourself. He even cooked a steak on it while it was in there... lots of heat mass hehe
@Sean Chadwick. I watched Lee Jones build his sand battery and I took notes. 😃
So make a ‘active’ piece of ART on wheels? 🤔
@@mikejones-vd3fg be careful when heating rocks as they may contain moisture which turns to gas and builds enough pressure to turn into a literal grenade.
I saw that. It was a chimney add on that was a sand battery. The Mrs would kill my if tried running that in the house, also I bet it still smells of chimney
Heres a trick, install a well insulated rocket stove in your garden and then transport the heat into your house using water and antifreeze in pipes. That way you can circumnavigate nearly all of the silly rules, especially if you keep the plumbing separate. Many are put off solar thermal because of attaching panels to roofs and the plumbing involved. But simply put the panel in the garden at ground level, have the insulated cylinder outside or in a shed and use a separate plumbing run avoiding any involvement with your combi boiler hot water which a lot of people tend to have intalled. Have separate hot taps from your outdoor tank to use between late Feb and late Oct.
Use sand
But yh , easy done with a bypass on the boiler prv,s pump etc, could set it up on a standard house reall easy, soz been looking and heat banks recently
Insurance off your house can still be effected. Water based heat systems have a higher risk of flooding and water damage.
My kinda thinking ;)
My house! My rules! And nobody else business! As long as me and my family are safe, and you apply commonsense.😉
As long as your smoke is contained inside your home, no problem. Great in theory, but not possible in practice.
@@forestMog if you burn waste oil hot enough, with enough oxygen, it will burn clean with out any smoke or smell. It's a good potential fuel source.
@@MyProjectBoxChannel Will you share your scientific results?
I like your way of thinking! Very much like my own! Finding ways to do what I like without getting into too much trouble! Thank you for being who you are and sharing your brilliant ideas with like-minded people!!
Very like minded people it would appear. 💚
You know an American boy like myself, back in the day, could have really used you far over people like Bill Nigh the science guy. You are amazing and I wish I could come study under you. Have a beautiful day!
*bill nye the science-denier guy
The most informative talk on laws and heaters I have ever heard. Thank you.
Do not consent, do not comply, no contract
I love the idea of the rocket stove. Plan on making one this winter. Have you given any thought to making it a gasifier as well by adding some tubing along the vertical chimney, from near the base (to heat up the air) and plumbing, plugging, welding them into/near (maybe an inch or two down) the top of the chimney. Or are they already efficient enough that you don't need that extra step for a super clean/hot burn? Sorry about the long rambling sentence...
I was thinking along similar lines to you but then saw a comment from a guy who ran a hot water pipe from the rocket stove to an old truck radiator, with a electric fan attached to a 12 volt battery means you are blowing warm air into your house, bit like how your car engine is cooled but in reverse, seams the easiest way to achieve this so this is the way I'm inclined to go
It’s the same thing with outdoor wooden buildings. As long as they are “moveable” then they don’t need planning permission. Hence lots of wooden stables that are built on metal skids and can be dragged by a tractor.
How much energy does it take to heat all the castles of the mouth pieces giving orders
You can keep warm if you wear the proper clothing and put a couple of Zippo pocket/hand warmers inside your clothing.
They burn naptha or lighter fluid.
In my grandparents day they would heat rocks, then place them under the bed blankets at their feet.
Not the same. Not at all. And, I wouldn't recommend sleeping with those, either.
@@Jollyprez my parents used to tell me stories about those old earthenware hot water bottles that were common years ago. Basically a hot water bottle made of clay with a threaded stopper and rubber seal. Not only were they hazardously hot when filled with boiling water, but you could do yourself some serious damage if you kicked them whilst turning over in your sleep! Ah, the good old days! Best wishes.
@@happydavid13 and, those little pocket heaters - especially the ones using burning fuel - create CO hazards.
@@Jollyprez not enough to worry about.
Among light and ultra light backapcking communities, there is a common philosophy that it makes far more sense and is far more "leave no trace" to just bring adequate insulation rather than make fires and the like.
The only area that this does not translate well to as far as home situations, is the issue of water pipes freezing. Unfortunately, you need a certain amount of heat in the house to keep this from happening.
We have a well system, with a water bladder/tank underneath the house. Despite this being under the house, even sometimes when it only gets to around 10*F or so, it can start to freeze up and we loose running water. Thankfully, no pipes have so far burst.
Hi Rob
I looked into this a while back and found a few useful sites explaining that you can fit your own stove and get building regs to come and inspect it to get all the relevant certificates there are several companys that will sell you a stove and help you with the application
The main problem is the local councils seem reluctant to come out and sign them off despite it being law that they have to where as in scotland the average person is deemed capable of installing their own stove no questions asked go figure 🤣
Don't worry...they'll get around to Scotland soon enough. The required paperwork, inspections, regulations, restrictions, and associated costs will spread and increase until anything that makes a flame will be criminalized, right down to candles.
Every person will be required to be on an electric meter for 100% of their heat, cooking, and light.
So, for our nanny state, make your own with water jacket inside, stick wheels and a handle on, park it up just outside your house (not installed), and run feed and return pipes through your wall connected up to regular CH system. Two 22mm holes through the wall should not require building regs. Added bonus is you don't need an expensive stainless steel flue liner up your chimney. This is the problem with our bureaucrats, they may be smart (or think they are) but totally lacking pragmatism!
Brilliant idea👍
I was thinking of this too, and going further by having a chimney buried in a mass in the house with an entrance point drilled in the wall connected to the burner outside as you suggest. The chimney part would extract more heat but not count as the burner and only be temporarily connected
If I understand it correctly that is still an installed system. It is physically connected ergo..
@@utubeape But would it still count if you called it an universal auxiliary port and used quick disconnect fittings?
@@jameslynch8738 I think eventually they will just say that any heating equipment has to have some kind of certificate, and its all about getting everyone to pay for power that the wealthy have shares in, same with food
I bought a new Calor cabinet heater to use 2 full/half full gas bottles that have been in my shed for years. Looking up their website to find a local re-filler, I found a notice that Calor are not selling new bottles/licences at the moment. There appears to be a current gas bottle shortage? You can only buy refills now. So if you order a Calor cabinet heater online, make sure that it comes with a bottle. Or that you can get one locally off Ebay first. In my area empty 15kg bottles are now being listed for up to £40 on Ebay.
I will 'comply' once I and my family are warm ,thankyou very much
If they can't tax it, they won't let you do it!
Fascinating and informative as always. I've been toying with the idea of a rocket mass heater for some time and was aware of the issue with building regulations and insurance companies etc. It's a pity that despite the relatively low costs (financial and environmental) in "manufacturing" (albeit on a bespoke individual basis) and "installing" such heaters and the apparent very high efficiency of such devices compared to the best woodburners we are unlikely to see more of these in the UK in future. I suppose we will have to rely on Scandinavian ceramic stoves (if you can find/afford one ) or even the more exorbitant costs and dubious environmental benefit of air/ground source heat pumps to keep warm in Winter. Sadly it seems we are falling into the trap of big business legislating us away from "warmth justice" or "winter comfort freedom" :(
@Richie Reports UK - YES! There are assorted ameliorations on offer, but air-source heat pumps have a fundamental problem when that air is moist and near freezing, which is pretty much your standard British Rural Winter... Carelessly installed ground source ones have been known to convert a perfectly good car park into an ice rink when the climate feels like it.
My old MP (now retired, like me) was unable to suggest any member of the Westminster Wonders who could actually repair or maintain things, like a bicycle chain or a PC. Muppets, the lot of them! 🙄
I don't care what the law says. I do what is best for my family and I. The wealthy rich don't follow the law. Do NOT expect me to either.
I built a pellet stove that burns ground up tires. Great way to recycle old tires
Thanks again for putting a big smile on my old face for 12 minutes plus.🤣
Nice educational videos Bob, have been following for sometime and love your sense of English sarcasm and your enthusiasm - it is truely electric, a man of my own heart.
but unfortunately as you explain here, we have what now results in a restrictive law, that we wish to adopt even though we are no longer within the EU, that now endagers the existance of those whom have a choice to make. Heating or Eating, and yes a country as rich as ours ( sarcasm ) does have a population that has those choices to make as they cannot and do not have enough money for both.
On a foot note, without invention we will not go forward and laws kill the inventors.
Keep up the good work and don't lose your sense of humour.
The US EPA has done something similar with wood stoves. New installations have to catalyze the wood gas. It is more efficient, but much more expensive.
It is not that hard to achieve. You just have to insulate the wood burning chamber and add a secondary combustion chamber. These are not only far cleaner burning, but more efficient. It is kind of win win (except for people that are very poor), though it is more expensive.
Imagine if a majority of people in the US installed one of the old woodstove systems--the air would get rather polluted and faster than most would think.
The Euro regulations seem a lot more strict, and frankly, borderline unreasonable in some areas. But at the same time, they have a lot more areas that are more population dense, so that probably factors in.
If the governments of the world were really so concerned with pollution and collective health though, then they should be incentivizing people to do home geo thermal--one of the most efficient ways of both heating and cooling homes. Also doing research on how to make these systems more affordable and more efficient.
For example, I have thought that using large copper pipes like the little heat pipes* in computer systems, makes a lot of sense. You drill down to whatever depth is necessary for your area, stick one of these large, essentially heat pipes in there. Leave the bottom part uninsulated, and insulate the rest while wrapping these in smaller copper tubing carrying water to and from an insulated tank (which runs also to a radiator inside).
Basically, whatever energy or lack is in the ground that you are trying to use, gets transmitted very efficiently and rapidly, so that you need less material and space to get similar temps.
*Heat pipes are little copper tubes that have a combo of a wicking material, a little distilled water, and medium vacuum sealed in same. The combo of coppers high thermal conductivity along with the quick and constant phase change of water within from liquid to gas and back and forth, combines to move A LOT of energy very quickly and efficiently. These are used to cool the CPU's of computer systems very quickly and efficiently.
Dont ask permission just ask forgiveness. If you can't afford to pay for fuel you can't afford to pay a fine. We are free men and have a human right to live comfortably and there's no legislation that will cause my kids to be cold for even a minute. Good luck to everyone and thankyou for this channel.
As long as you don't suffocate your neighbors it's all good in my book, but there are some obnoxious ways to produce heat lol. Like those turbocharged barrel burners that can smoke out an entire town.
Well first rule in all this, don't openly state your intentions and plans on the I-net unless you are good at covering your tracks. Otherwise, you just let some database and agency know exactly who and what to look for.
@@DFPercush Well designed rocket stoves and wood gassifier stoves are quite clean burning.
Isn't it nice that all of these public servants, who apparently work for us, are keeping themselves busy making life hard and/or expensive for regular folk.
Wefminster mafia.
@@redpillnibbler4423 wefminster 😄
They are minions appointed by those making money out of these control scams, example, they want you to drive an electric car, but calculate how many megawatts of power that would require if everyone had one, just for cars we would need an additional one third electricity generation capacity at least, where is that coming from? Their plans don't add up.
@@LOFIGSD at least not without large scale die off. Purely coincidental that there are increasing numbers of sudden unexplained deaths in more recent times. Stay safe out there.
@@johnwhite5198 the figures imply there is going to be many less people with cars or many less people, or some magic new way to generate electricity cheaply, which will also heat everyone and run all the commercial and public transport, whatever, I ain't convinced and definitely not injecting anything that I don't need.
Here in New Zealand we have the RMA "resource management act" which makes your Eco 2022 look like swiss cheese. We can't even burn rubbish in the back yard.
We have wefminster,you have Mister Ed.
WEF nirvana of New Zealand, you have been chosen to be their bolt hole, should the Plebs revolt
We burn nearly everything here in the US, including human remains (in a crematorium). We've refined the burning process to reduce or eliminate the produced smoke.
Thanks for the info... here in the states I watch the UK as our canary in the coal mine
(huh, huh? ya see what I did there??)
Much appreciated and explained so well.
what !? I live in NZ ,we are watching America ,watching the UK ,to see what happens ....[ except our litle socialist has decided to try and be top of the class to please Claws Swab ..darn ..whish we'd picked a flying bird as a ntional icon ].
The "UK canary of freedom" is belly up on the bottom of its cage sorry to say.
@@wizrom3046 that's my point... the allowed and taxpayer supported invasion that's been happening for 10+ years... I see the games
I can assure you, here in the UK there is nothing "going cheep" !🙄
@@kennethbain4290 that's the problem
Robert....Top Marks again...brilliant explanation of a subject area that normally defies explanation
Best ever way to dry firewood is in a glass-fronted display fridge, paint it matt black inside, ensure there's a little airflow and place your damp wood on the shelves. Face it into the sun. Mine has got up to 90c [North UK] . Tether it against winds as they are vulnerable and it'll last forever.
You said the main words anything manufactured. We are not manufacturers we just DIY.
You're a treasure, brother. Believe me, we have to deal with the "Mrs. Grundy" regulators here in the US, too. Fortunately, I'm in the Deep South where the bureaucracy disease is less pervasive than in most other parts of the country. I'm about to charge and light my wood stove and I may prime it with a little used motor oil. You know... just to be contrary.
I grew up in, and still live in the South. As long as the neighbors don’t call the sheriff, you can do a lot!
Long live freedom and screw tyranny
Living on a farm here in Western Australia is a heaven on earth.
We do, pretty well, anything we like.
As always, your a wealth of pertainat information ‼️‼️‼️
Thank you so much 😊
As a resident of Futt-buck nowhere in the middle of Nevada, It's like you were speaking directly to me... warms the cockles.
Thanks very good advice. IMHO (for apocaloptimists) it's worth having an outdoor portable rocket stove or basic brick stove with & a stock of dry wood in reserve as a basic "prepping" device if grid energy fails in WW3, in a weather extreme, or in a massive solar flare/coronal mass ejection.
The odds of such events happening have been shortening in recent troubled times & unfortunately can no longer be ruled out as complete fantasy! Once into such a situation it's then probably too late to get the ideal materials together for cooking (prepped supplies?) or for boiling water if that becomes necessary. So being prepared (for a small cost) gives some peace of mind
"...or in a massive solar flare/coronal mass ejection."
There is a definite probability that the above is going to happen. That probability grows ever stronger as the earth's magnetic field strength weakens more and more as time passes (as is happening). We are starting to see unusual and unexpected auroras more and more because of this.
The earth's magnetic field acts as a shield and protector for the earth against these Solar storm events. Along with the ever weakening magnetic field (a non linear and exponentially increasing event--started very slowly after the Carrington event but around 2000 rocketed in speed), we are now starting to move into another Solar max cycle--one that is now being predicted to probably be stronger than previously expected, and likely with another double peak type cycle.
Meaning, in the next few years or so, especially, this probability will increase, because the Sun tends to be more unstable and energetic during Solar max cycles.
The problem is, when something like this happens, people will have much bigger concerns than just heating. For many people, staying in their homes won't be a safe option, especially if one lives in a populous area or relatively near a populous area. There will be migrations out from the cities into the more rural areas of hordes of people, not a bit unlike zombies, seeking food, water, and with fear and aggression at all time highs.
When they see homes with well stocked and readied provisions, the temptation will be strong to take what is not theirs.
Water is what everyone overlooks, a water filter is cheap and not having one is silly, with any Prepping start by planning from minor inconvenience to major shtf scenarios and even having to evacuate.
Yeah, I get it. From the governments perspective saving the planet is all good so long as they profit monetarily from it. It is that way in most places. It is unfortunate, but that is how it is currently. Thanks for the helpful information Rob! A good example of this kind of thing by the government is the fact that if I make my own fully homemade solar setup I can't use it without first disconnecting my self from the electric utilities entirely. Problem with that is that the water utilities will not allow me to have city water unless I am hooked up to the electrical grid and vice-versa. There is also legislation to keep us from having our own gardens, though it is not enforced it is still there should the local government choose to use it for their own profit. It works like this: if you grow a garden then you are in their eyes a farm and a farm must have all sorts of compliances to follow. They do not make people here comply to that, but they could is the point. Thanks again Rob!
The government isn’t there to serve the people.
@@redpillnibbler4423 I know, but it should be.
@@jamesross1003
Of course.
I have a rocket mass heater in my home, in montana. It is portable. It can be taken apart and put on a truck in under an hour.
Hope you don't mind me linking one of my own videos, but I have a pretty effective design for a portable rocket mass heater.
Would take a couple strong folk to lift and shift it once it's ~200kg of sand is in place, but it is still technically shiftable.
I don't have a full proper build tutorial for it yet, but it's pretty easy.
I don't mind in the least - I have great admiration for you and what you do on your channel
So, it's just the typical bureaucratic mine field, unless you manage to slip through the loopholes. Good video.
A solar oven type wood drying kiln would be the bee's knees ! 👍
Poly tunnel works
One point, contrary to what we have been led to believe, Ecco 2022 guidelines are rules, not laws. Nothing that comes out of parliament is law it is legislation such as Acts Statutes and Mandates which all require the consent of each person they are being applied to but, authorities are permitted to assume all people do consent to the rules unless the person notifies the authority they don't consent to the rule in question. The only Laws we have are under Common Law and the Magna Carter. This can be confirmed in the Blacks Law Dictionary.
Thank you for covering as much as you have. Two thumbs up.
This guy was awesome in silence of the lambs and season 1 of westworld. This is a bit more boring but hey, it's still informative. Well done Sir Anthony Hopkins. Still fighting for the little people.
Fava beans. Never found out what they were.
@@markrainford1219 they're just broad beans.
If no loss or harm is caused, no crime can have been committed.
I went to see the left wing UK politician Tony Benn speak in Leeds shortly prior to his death. Benn was a socialist firebrand and very much in favour of regulation and big state.
He said that over the course of his long life he had finally come to the conclusion that the only way to achieve anything innovative, creative or worthwhile was never to ask permission from anyone.
He spoke a lot of nonsense about all manner of things but I did agree with that.
Tony Benn was a friggin legend: NHS champion, believer in investing in British manufacturing & against wars.... we need a lot more of that today. Imagine if we had new apprenticeships harnessing the genius on channels like this... investing in young ppl, making stable jobs to grow economy and so folks could start families, win win win for everyone.
@@calanm7880 I agree he did say some things that made good sense and he was fiercely patriotic. Certainly he was very proud of his country and on a human level a very compassionate man.
@@happydavid13 thank you for such a lovely and thougtful reply. I only discovered this channel a couple of weeks ago, but it is friggin awesome on so many levels. Especially in these trying times, issues regarding keeping warm, being able to cook food etc are really brought to forefront of our minds ... so this channel is absolute gold!
Thanks for the wee chat, best wishes!
In Canada for many decades we have had to get permits and inspections to install permanent heaters. Some regions require a permit and inspection to change out an old heater for a new one. Some fuels have been also been illegal in most regions for decades.
I am thinking of the new Pipe rocket stove with the sand battery as the flue all welded into a sack barrow, a 1hr burn outside should charge enough energy to heat a room for at least 12 hrs. 😃
Water has a ridiculously high heat capacity (it can absorb and hold A LOT of energy). Far more than most common substances. It is more difficult to work with because it changes phase at a fairly low temp, but with the right engineering--not too difficult to surmount. If one could pipe in hot water from an outside rocket stove, to a hot water tank (uninsulated) inside, you'd be moving a lot of energy with less work and heat loss.
Exactly. Where there's a will there's a way!
I like your thought process however seems optimistic to think that a one hr burn would give you that much output, what do you plan to bring it indoors after each burn?
@@paulferris2218 I was thinking in the lines of a stainless steel beer keg filled with sand instead of the small/med gas bottle that was used in the sand battery video, The trick of designing a rocket stove when charging a sand battery is to design it so the heat goes into the sand battery not exhausted out of the flue, the trick is to drop a stainless steel mantle down the flue pipe to where the flame & Battery is positioned to superheat the pipe at that point, I have not looked at the calcs as yet but I would not be surprised if a beer keg (normal size) which I believe is 72 pints when charged to 500 to 600 C could hold in the region of 8 to 9 Kw, If the Keg is lagged correctly to slow release the heat it would last many hrs. (Look up Sand Battery by Lee Jones)
Just done some rough calcs on storage for beer keg sizes charged to 500 C - a quarter barrel will give around 4.4Kwh (29.3 l keg -5 l for the flue estimated = 24l x 1.6 = 38.4kg of sand, So calc for energy storage for a quarter barrel would be 38.4Kg x 835 J x 500 C = 16MJ / 3.6 = 4.45 Kwh), using the same calcs for other size Kegs and taking into account spaces for the flue I got 10 Gal Keg which is 37 ltrs ( -7 for flue) gives 4.6Kwh, 50 Ltr ( -10 for Flue) Import Keg gives 7.4 Kwh and a Half Barrel 58 Ltr Keg ( -8 For Flue) gave 9.27 Kwh estimated but should not be too far off.
Prosecution for failing to meet building regs can only be done up to 2 years after the work is completed. Enforcement notices requiring noncompliance to be remedied can only be served up to 1 year after completion. Just sayin'...
What if you build a rocket mass heater in your garden? A sort of butt warmer while sitting outside?
In a garden shed to protect it from weather.
Thanks Robert as usual well meaning regulation used to stifle innovation and common sense. I wonder what the reality of enforcement will be by local councils.
There will be virtually no enforcement (unless you're in a block of flats and someone complains). Most of the enforcement is actually indirect via the form of invalidated insurance.
The council will send the enviromental health around the streets smelling for smoke & knocking on doors - in my area they have a "sniffer" on a telescopic stick that they can raise to roof level - of course they would have to be in your street when you had your stove on - or rely on "neighbours" grassing on you !!
Well meaning? "You will own nothing and be happy" from the mouths of the people directing this stuff. Best wishes.
@mr grumps But they use us to do it to ourselves. It is our families/friends/neighbours that enact what the controllers wants. The masses have been programmed, hypnotised to enact these things. Only by searching truth, seeing reality can the spell be broken. Best wishes.
There’s nothing ‘well meaning’ about it.
The furnances may not have laws in your area. But do check out what your insurance allows.
In my region insurance corps can void insurance claims from non compliant permanent installations.
Space heaters get around this by being portable or temporary. Just never admit you use them as a primary heat source.
Thanks everyone, stay safe.
Loose lips sink ships.
Really interesting thanks! 👏
Thanks for this update. I've got a woodburner and trees but was totally unaware of these 2022 regulations!
@Jack Warner this is how we do it! 👍
You would likely be grandfathered as it was existing. Keep your wood stash lower than 20% moisture and you're golden.
Thanks for the important information Mr Smith! Have a wonderful evening 🙋bye for now
telling people they shouldn't burn green, unseasoned wood at least seems legit to me, because others will be breathing that harmful smoke in. there's a house near where i live whose chimney often belches out a smelly concoction that stings the eyes as you walk past in the street. i used to live in a town where most houses used wood stoves and i had to stop going out for evening walks during the winter as it felt like i was getting asthma from all the smoke
"Don't let your kids run around it and
don't play football in the room that it's in"
By Rob, you sure know how to spoil a bit of fun. 😉😏
A fuel that I feel is very Eco Compliant.
Pellets!
Especially if you make it yourself from ground up branches, plant stalks, corn or any other grain, or plants like grasses.
Even a rocket stove can be set up to burn pellets. All you need is a hopper to hold the bulk fuel (pellets). A feed mechanism, probably a small auger. The auger could be controlled by a simple thermostat.
Rocket stoves are super efficient.
As for heating. To avoider the mass heater problem a small. Insulated box or heat exchanger connected to the exhaust just like a mass, but with a fan to distribute hot air.
The fools who make up these rules deserve to be ignored, after they've had their tenth booster.
I must say I love your videos and sense of humor. I get the impression that any government administrator would have a rough day with you in their sights. Great content I liked the candle heater and methanol heater especially. Looking forward to watching the self made washer turbines tonight.
I have 2 words for the government, starts with F ends in F
Portable mass heater, steel farm water trough, fill with sand, top with cushions. Haul the sand and unit out of the house each summer for a cleanout. Voila, meets the definition of portable.
It's just a job creation process as they will have to start training “Wood, Coal, Oil - safe” installation engineers & inspectors. As wood is heavier than air any leakage will run around the floor causing safety issues.
May I add a few little thoughts based on my limited experience.
I remember the days before the Clean Air Act and I am conscious we are screwing up the climate so I am happy with the legislation and its aims.
However I dont want to freeze.
You should always check local regs against smoke and particulates from indoor or outdoor fires. Yes even rocket stoves.
There are many grounds for other people to complain which end in serious grief.
Be wary of anything that needs a flue or fixed chimney. It quickly loses its portable status.
The point about safety is a very good point. Maybe even more so in semi-detached properties.
I know a guy who installed a 15kw wood stove and successfully burst the chimney apart.
Dont forget ventilation indoors and be sure you understand what fuels you can store and the effect on your insurance.
Remember to check if your heat source is increasing condensation etc etc creating more drawbacks than benefits.
I will be in my solar powered caravan on the drive when the power cuts start but even then I can be in trouble if I sleep in it overnight if you follow local regs.
IPA rocks. Heading for a copy of the Eco regs now. I need to swot.
Thank you very much indeed for all your excellent videos. So grateful.
thanks for that! Id never heard of those regulations.
So basically (in the UK at least) if you build and give it to someone for free or if someone buys the materials and those materials happen to make a rocket stove (ie the pipe rocket stove) it is not considered "manufactured", if I'm understanding that correctly of course. I mean that is how I would look at "skirting" the regulation, I mean it isn't like those pipes were intended to be used as a stove they just happen to work really well as a stove. Also the mass heater "could" be made as a "decoration" if a fire "happens" to break out inside of it to keep someone from freezing to death I don't see that being all bad.... I mean do they really intend for people to die just to not violate a regulation? I mean there are regulations on how fast you can go down the road but not many actually drive at those speeds, yes too fast you get a ticket but just slightly over is usually ignored.
Ingenious!
Yet another great informative video, thank you.
I cannot say I am too keen on rules and regulations which reduce chances of survival. Maslow’s hierarchy of needs is embedded in our genes... especially the lower levels of the pyramid.
If the time arises, when there is choice between surviving, or likely hypothermia, the no rules and regulations can buggar off.
Non-governmental organisations, governments, nor anyone else has the right to endanger us, or interfere with our basic needs to live.
Needless to say, I do not agree with WEF/WHO/COP, or anyone suggesting man-made global warming... and the billionaires, with their newly built mansions, 2-4 metres above sea level, obviously think similarly to me.
I believe you are correct. See 'Sustainable Development', a UN plan. Everything that is happening to us is by design.
@@Fribitardontyaknaw we are on the same page.
Thanks Rob!🥸
Compliance is all I've got from this video...Immediate association was WEF guy talking :"You'll eat z bugs and be happy" and scenes from Orwell's 1984 and the Pink Floyd's music video "The wall" . I'm all against unnecessary pollution and sensible use of resources , but this is more like - we have too much people , therefore , too much pollution , so , the solution is (at the end) , we need to depopulate (freezing , starvation , not to mention other means). This may sound extreme and too radical , but , as we speak , government in Netherlands is expropriating farms , because of "too much nitrogen in the ground" and Dutch agriculture is next to none in the world ,in terms of innovation and efficiency and reducing environmental impact , second largest exporter in Europe. Meanwhile , Germany (one of the most "green" countries in Europe ) is preparing to reopen coal mines in Ruhr , in order to start again coal burning energy plants (for some reason , they are lacking some energy...). Soon enough , legislators will remember that people exhale CO2 (and some other gases)...
I wonder ... can you build a mass that is permanent? And can you build a portable rocket core? And, could you choose to connect them from time to time? Or even just for a moment?
Maybe just a removable piece of flue connecting an odd looking sculpture to an exhaust port in the wall.
Run exhaust out a window insert or outdoor heater. Cob or similar bench for heat storage. Bench is a ‘bell’ which slows exhaust and retains heat exhaust a little above intake to maintain thermal driving head. Look up Batch Box by Peter Van Den Berg. He is a legend in Rocket mass heaters.
Anyone tries telling me i'm not allowed to keep my parents warm if/when the shtf they're in serious risk of becoming my eco compliant fuel!
It's your home insurance company you have to fear. If you sustain damage due to an illegal or non building code device doing the damage, you could be paying hundreds of thousands of dollars/ quid to fix it.
Better to put the thing outside and heat a heat exchanger then pipe the heat indoors. Of course if it's a matter of freezing to death then you have to weigh the pluses and minuses.
Staying ahead of the curve is important if you don't want the fight in court. I did solar early on but they are even changing those laws now and sooner or later it will be controlled so business only can make money at it
Rocket stoves with their high velocities are ripe for the addition of a cyclone separator. The great thing about living on boats is you do what you like. One thing might be to not install it ie put it in a shed or outhouse then pipe heat in. Regarding manufacturing just sell the plans.
You are thinking along the same lines as me,i was intending to build one and put it in my entry running pmy pipes inside to a tank, however i had planned to build a lean-to along my entry, would it then be classed as installed,?what if I put it on wheels? Any ideas?
I know they can be a pain, but we all live on the same planet, one man’s food is another man’s poison. Love the videos 🌞👍🐝
Restrictions will increase to encompass ANYTHING that makes a flame to heat, cook, or light. EVERYTHING will have to use trackeable, billable electricity.
BTW, if it was bought / made before the eco22 still valid for install and use.
Same as 17th amendment consumer units even though we are now in 18th edition and 17th don't comply with 18th edition amendments.
Also is this another competent persons item because my understanding is if you do it yourself and are "competent" it's up to you as its a grey area.
We had wildfires here in the summer, who gets prosecuted for burning the green wood there? You could see the smoke from miles away.
If you put the rocket stove in drum of sand it could still be portable(with 2 wheel cart lol) and less likely to tip over and would be a good mass heater as well I think. Great stuff thanks for sharing all that you do with us. Much appreciated.
I think you'll be fine with your drum on a cart...right up until you hook it to a chimney; at which point it is "installed" and must meet every fuel and building requirements. Ultimately, anything that makes a flame to cook, heat, or light will be criminalized. Not even candles will be safe.
Only trackeable, billable electricity will be permitted for anything.
So is any consideration taken into the carbon footprint of kiln drying wood or producing smokeless fuels before it's used by the end user? Is this just a way of cyphoning money away from the things that used to be more or less free?
Acts and statutes of parliament are not law. Rules and regulations require contracts, we are governed by consent and I do not consent.
Free people just throw your "king's" tea in the Boston harbor! USA!
Rocket stoves work great as Mass heaters. Water is an excellent mass and heat sink. If you need to keep the rocket stove "portable" then cycle the water through it to heat it up and fill barrels with hot water so you have a mass heater.
Its that dodgy area where local authorities profiteer from the regulations that they create.
Having regulations for the safety of yourself and others plus the environment is one thing, authorities charging exorbitant fees to get the required certification is a whole different kettle of fish
A while back I was going to put up a garden shed. I drew up the plans myself and trotted of to the local council to get it approved. They had no problems with my plans but I was asked how much it was going to cost to build. When I told them zero, because I got all of the recycled materials for free and I was constructing it myself, they insisted they still needed a price. When I asked why, they told me that the cost is what they used to determine the charge for the certification. When I offered them the very low cost of some fasteners I may have to buy they informed me that they would get an estimation of what it would cost to build the shed and charge me the fee based upon their independent findings.
I told them to forget it and built my shed without approval.
im building my own biodeisel refinery, mostly out of expired "approved" tanks and heaters😁the irony
A lot of this would also be down to the policing of it. If you live in a rural area with little in the way of neighbours then you won't come to much harm if you follow commonsense. We priced a commercial mass heater for our house, with delivery it was close on £9k - not something most people can just go and buy without taking out a loan or raiding all savings and selling a kidney.
And this is why I avoid all contact with the authorities as much as possible. What they don't know, can't hurt them. So, if I happened to be living in a home I'd built without planning permission or obtaining building regs and I burnt waste wood in my stove there is no way they could risk damaging their health through raising their blood pressure because they don't know about it in the first place.
I live in Ontario Canada and if you go far enough north you do not need building permits on your land. I am still a couple hours south of that but if you get along with your neighbours you can do quite a bit . I would like to build an outdoor wood boiler.
Anywhere unincorporated; I had a spread an hour out of Vancouver and it was the wild wild west.
If your property has consistent sun, then you're better off using Solar heat collectors than wood stoves and the like. Have some of them pipe directly into the house as hot air and then have some pipe in to a thermal mass system so that you get heat overnight as well.
I wish I could do the above, but our property has way too many trees and thus shade to do this. Even up on the roof, there are no real areas that get sun for more than a couple hours at a time. The plus side is that it keeps our house cooler in the summer and I would say our summers are more extreme, on average, than our winters.
Something that most people can do, unless their ground is ridiculously rocky and/or hard is to install ground buried "geo thermal" heating/cooling systems. But unless you design and make it yourself, it is fairly expensive. I've been trying to come up with cheaper and more efficient ways of doing this, such as using the concept of those little heat pipes used to cool computer systems, in a much larger and longer copper pipe that is strategically insulated. In my area, I have to dig down to around 9' (2 meters) or so, to get a more stable/consistent comfortable indoor temps.
But rather than dig long trenches or dig large and/or deep'ish, essentially wells, I would use a high powered pressure washer to dig mini holes to place these modified copper pipes that conduct the energy from below to above, and then insulate everything very well the closer it gets to the surface. Meanwhile, copper tubing carrying water will be wrapped around the verticle, larger copper pipes and insulated over the copper pipes. The hypothesis is that the vertical copper pipes that are bare towards the bottom and that are insulated at the top along with the copper coils containing the water, will far more efficiently conduct the energy to the water thus saving the space and mass needed to normally get that much energy transference.
If folks can't figure out how to easily and/or cheaply put these vertical copper pipes under vacuum to lower the boiling temp of the distilled water inside, then the next best thing they can do, is to buy the finest silicon carbide powder you can and fill them up with the powder. Silicon carbide (at least some forms of it) has a high thermal conductivity (in one form, higher than copper). Won't be nearly as good as the "heat pipe" version, but far better than straight copper pipe with all that insulating/non conductive air inside.
Burning waste oil also violates a ridiculous statue of the EPA over here under the 'unlicenced treatment of hazardous materials'.
Which can mean just about anything they choose, should they become aware of your existence.
Yeah. Leave it to "government" to *IGNORE* "common sense" and regulate the he11 out of anything practical.
It's all about control of the plebes. Thank you for the video!
I have just place an Amazon order for casters and quick disconnect plugs of various sizes to fit to everything 🤣🤣🤣
ROCKET STOVES ROCK!
Despite the rules, at least one maker has developed a Rocket Stove that is moveable like most wood stoves, & has gone through the wicked process of getting UL/EPA approved, label & all. ✨The Liberator Rocket Stoves✨ are made in Missouri, USA.
The cost is in similar ballpark as average woodstoves.
They offer an optional pellet hopper.
These stoves, especially burning wood, are much more efficient than even the best of the usual woodstoves.
When we did a burn-in on ours, we used only about 5’ of 6” stovepipe; I expect even better draw, once it’s connected w/the 15’ chimney liner in the old chimney. I’ve extended the hearth to accommodate it, & rather over-engineered for safety.
…1st ran wood sticks using the temporary 5’ pipe, out on the front porch; startup gave off a bit of smoke, but not terribly, as the fire chamber got so hot so fast. Within maybe 5 minutes or so, there was no visible effluent or smell. I let it run long enough to heat-temper the stove paint.
…2nd, ran pellets…🤔 stove was still hot from the wood, but the effluent from the substances used to form pellets from sawdust, even after running them for 30 minutes, was nasty, stinky, ochre colored, & showed little sign of diminishing-Maybe it would, if I’d let the pellets run longer…I don’t know-it had to be stopped.
It looks like we will avoid using pellets, except in emergencies.
GASIFIERS:
Another very good, clean-burn low-tech, is a gasifier stove.
There’s a guy in Italy making beautiful artful gasifier stoves, that burn any kinds of wood bits, acorns, leaves, etc., in the internal bucket. Some adventurous tinkerers have built gasifier stoves for the back of their trucks, & run their pickup trucks on wood gas, just as well as running on gasoline. It’s a bit more work, & learning curve, but very do-able.
THE RULES?!😳🙄
Know the wording of the Codes are in your area, & use those to advantage, not the officials-kinda like Robert Murray-Smith describes!
Codes are composed, good, bad or average, by limited-thinkers, many are bribed by industries to preserve their profits. & those enforced by inspectors who are clueless, or, stand to profit by forcing well-built things to comply w/the inspectors’ own agendas, not so much the wording of the Codes.
So, do your homework!
Then, think how your project CAN be done, & still honor the Codes.
OR…apply to get a “Variance”, & be prepared to comply w/turning in reports & having the thing inspected periodically-this process MIGHT need having an engineer’s report supporting it. But, it Can help Improve the Codes, too.
Last but not least, you can lobby legislators who write/pass laws/Codes, to change the Codes.
Here in WA State, US, it took in excess of 15 years, before Legislators even of a bubbler add-on system to keep septic tanks aerobic, therefore safe for sensitive areas-because the septic system industries, & the septic pumping industries, very big in this State, had vested interests in allowing these, because the bubblers kept the system clean & prevented it polluting ground & water, simply. Once legislators found out, there was some fury! …and the bubbler systems fairly quickly got allowed.
In CA, Codes requiring vapor barriers on stick-built houses, had to get changed pretty fast, because no strawbale house can survive using a vapor barrier in its walls.
Also in CA, Nadir Khalili succeeded in getting San Bernardino County to allow earthbag buildings, because he showed how those were much more earthquake-stable, in that highly-seismic region. Before that, none had much thought about better more disaster-proof building.
Mike Reynolds, in NM, did the same with Earthships.
Mike Oehler did similar, but revived the old “4-square mining framing” to build his”$50 Underground houses”.
Let the Open-Source Plans, & tinkering, begin, in earnest!!
Our homes should take care of us, NOT us constantly going broke taking care of our homes!
A Kelly kettle can be heated up to boiling with a few twigs .. the kettle part and then be lifted off the burner and brought inside if you raise it up a few inches off the floor and allow airflow underneath yeah will flow in and up the chimney heating up as it does so Transfer of heat from the hot water in Kettle area that surrounds the chimney. This is great at small areas like a caravan or a well insulated small room in your house. I imagine you could arrange for a metalworker to build a larger version to create a bigger central water-based storage heater as my Kelly kettle is only 1.6 L if you had one that was saying 10 or 28 as it would provide an awful lot of heat for quite a long time
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I like fire. As a south African I feel sorry for European people who are at or below the poverty level. This winter is going to be terrible. What happens if there is a massive or devastating cold snap? They cannot afford any of this ECCO nonsense. Millions of people freezing, starving...
That's the idea.
Yep.... governmental murder by order of the WEF.
The regulations have been put into place to benefit the people who charge 2,000 pounds to install a 500 pound stove.
As an Ex British Coal miner who along with another 200,000 men was unemployed when the uk government decided to end reliance on uk coal. I was keen to know what the alternative would be, I was expecting a huge surge towards gas or oil, This was before the climate crisis. Maybe reactors would pop up all over the uk. also no like most governments very little forward planning happened so we bought cheap foreign coal when that got to pricey we bought eco wood pellets which came from the usa on huge oil burning ships 4000 miles away. Now If every new house was built since the 1980 was a super insulated building with solar heating and solar generation installed he lets chuck in a water recovery system also a green waste recycler. compost Toilet !!!!! okay maybe i,m a dreamer. but surely a tiny bit of forward planning could ave us all using less. My rocket mass heater is installed in the garage, for the garage using very dry wood that is for the household log burner. wet wood is good for no one, unfortunatly its been so warm this year its only been on twice. Thanks for your great videos. ps do you have a set of wheels that would retrospectivly fit a 2 tonne slob of Cob, asking for a friend.