Brand New Oticon More Hearing Aid with AI - our initial thoughts
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Oticon is about to release a new hearing aid! Emma discusses her initial reactions and thoughts on Oticon's latest hearing aid, "More". Due to be released in Australia (and globally) in coming weeks, Oticon promises some ground breaking technology that completely changes the way hearing aids approach sound. With only limited information to go off (the official training isn't until next week), Emma discusses her thoughts on deep neural networks and how Oticon have approached this in the More hearing aid.
Oticon More will be available in the mRITE-R (lithium-ion rechargeable) option only at this stage, and is compatible for direct streaming for Apple devices (requires iOS 13 or later) and newer Android devices (requires Android 8 or higher). For a complete and constantly updated list of Smartphone compatibility, go to: www.oticon.glo...
You can also read a more technical take on the Oticon More on our blog:
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I just got my new Oticon More miniBTE hearing aids four days ago and I am AMAZED. I was wearing Oticon Ruby BTE before (which were great) but the More have taken it to a whole new level. Clarity. Comprehension. I’m able to hear and identify subtle sound changes without being distracted or overwhelmed. Well worth the hefty price tag.
I'm in my third week with the More Level. After reviewing a number of videos, including this one, as well as Oticon info, I decided this is the unit I wanted to start out my (new) life with HA's. It was a struggle to get to them, Audiologist #1 was keen on anything but the More. Being an HA "newbie" I went along with the idea and... fail. Passed on the product, passed on the audiologist. Audiologist #2 said "yes, we have Oticons, but try this first". "OK, if you say so, but I really want..." "Try it." "OK". Not a bad unit, effective in some regards, but not quite a winner. "Uh, the bossman doesn't like Oticon anymore, and they don't like him. Sorry, no Mores here." For a number of reasons, I regret being unable to stay with the practice, but they didn't have Mores and, darnit, that's what I came for. Practice #3 has Mores, and I enjoy working with "my" audiologist. Is the More worth all of this drama? At least for me, h*** yeah!
Big caveat. IMHO, some people, who might benefit from what the More does, will be wrong for the More. It's a very flexible device with four programs (speech-oriented overall sound field, focus on voice straight ahead in a high noise setting, and, courtesy of my audiologist, the "hi-fi" program for music lovers. The More has a fourth program slot, reserved for tinnitus management. Push the little button on the left ear and step up or down through P1-4. (The right ear buttons set volume for both devices). In the course of the day, I jump between 1 and 3, and lots of time with 4 (tinnitus control). For folks intimidated by buttons, this becomes a bridge too far. For "sure, buttons don't upset me" folks, hello and welcome home.
Tinnitus control: Oticon decided that different sorts of "ocean wave sounds" gets the job done. Not having sampled anything else, what do I know? It seems to work. I opted from the "calm seas at the beach" program (passed on "high, stormy waves", for example, as well as white, pink, or brown noise). I call my tinnitus level as moderately irksome to, occasionally, "wish this would stop". The Oticon surf covers it to some degree, sometimes the hiss from tinnitus blends with the "waves", but... The waves are good for just chilling out, and mellowing out. Not going to happen, but I wish I could go to sleep with the surf sound helping me nod off. It may not be true for everyone, sure works for me.
OK, the "what really matters" part. Oticon's promotional material sounds a little "too good to be true". There are a couple "grand presentations" (think Tim Scott at an Apple introduction - that sort of thing) videos that, IMHO, are almost self-defeating. Still... Does all the Deep Neural Network hoohah (DNN's are real, and not Oticon fluff) work? Yes. In "open sound field", summarizing, I have my previous hearing back, period. Identify bird species, and find the bird in a tree? Yep. Conversation with someone beside me, behind me? Yep. Really, it's how my ears used to work. HiFi mode? I'm hearing (again) sound texture and detail that's been missing for far too long.
So, great thanks, and "good on ya", Emma, and Value Hearing, for helping me get my hearing to what I've hoped for.
EDIT: Came back to fix comma faults and typos, and add a disclaimer. I don't work for Oticon, Value Hearing, or anyone else in this field. I haven't received any perks, gratuities, etc. What you see is what I think.
Thank you so much for this comment, it is great to hear this feedback!!
Thanks for updating us Emma! I love your slight scepticism about Oticon’s polished marketing, in fact they use so many buzz words that it makes me dizzy even though I like and use the brand! AI is quite common in life these days but like many things it has its limitations but it is great to see vibrant new techniques appearing in the industry! Look forward to receiving updates about this model!
Thanks Tim! Yes, we’re very keen to have proper training and get our hands on some to start fitting them our own clients and seeing whether they live up to the hype. Look forward to being able to update everyone once we have some feedback to give!
@@ValueHearing Emma, I understand that Oticon has released an update to their Oticon On app which now includes a streaming equaliser but annoyingly they decided to exclude me and many other iOS 12 users from the benefits unless we spend more money on new phones! Not impressed with their attitude to this issue! Hope you can mention it the next time you see them!
@@timsmith5980 we shall definitely pass this along to them, and we will get back to you if they have anything interesting to say :) they are certainly not the only manufacturer to do something like this, sadly!!
Certainly following with interest and I feel blessed that I am lucky enough to have you as my audiologist! Merry Christmas and happy new year!
7k is the cost I just paid here in the U.S.A, Washington state. I can say that its absolutely amazing and definitely worth it, however they say they're only good for three years and at a 7k sticker price, I think its about 3k too much. Time will tell, but they absolutely need to make them AFFORDABLE.
Hi, cool man. Thanks for the infor. Does it work for listening to music? Is good ?
which is the best Oticon more vs Phonak Paradise P90
I have had the Oticon More 1 for a few weeks now and have had a lot of issues with it. Keep having to return to the audiologist to get it tweaked and have my 3rd or 4th tweak tomorrow. It got so bad that I could not wear it and used am older hearing aid instead which felt better.
I felt like I was in a tin can, could not hear the streaming well, first mould was badly fitted, refitted mould still whistles, I have hearing loss from an accident only in one ear, sounds sound distant, and also unnatural and unbalanced and the streaming is too loud even at the lowest level making it hard to understand what is being said. I am not impressed so far as it has been very challenging and also the ear piece hurts my ear and I have been a hearing aid user for 9 years.
Dr. Stewart N TX area fitted me on 1/26 so far really nice, since I have used low budget aids in the past, the More are outstanding.
Emma knows what she's talking about! great video.
Thanks, Pgiddy10! Glad you enjoyed it!!
Thank you. Great review. What are the biggest differences between the More 3, 2, and 1? My audiologist is giving me a price of $4300, $5300, and $6300, respectively. Some hearing loss, age 50, but Tinnitus is my biggest issue. I’ve had it for 9 years, constant 24/7. Never goes away! Is the higher price justified for the model 1 and 2 over the 3? Any advice is greatly appreciated. Money is tight right now and I’d have to finance these. Thank you for any help. Thank you!!!
The closed captioning comes across as very dark
I got the Opn S in Oct '20 and have the connect clip . It is next to worthless to receive a phone call. The callers tell me that they can hear me fine but I struggle to hear them even after increasing the volume of my hearing aids to the maximum setting and then when you end the call the hearing aids stay at that max level and you have to manually lower the volume to the default setting. Has that aspect been improved on the More line?
I just bought mine, and yes everything can be done though you're phone now, calls are extremely clear, you can play music though them and still hear a conversation. This new technology is amazing.
Fascinating stuff Emma! I really look forward to seeing this one in action!
Yes - we cannot wait to see it in action!!
I'm preparing to purchase my first hearing aid, even tho I've needed one for years. (vanity) I'm scheduled to receive an Oticon Opn S. Should I wait for the new technology?
Yes!
As our lovely colleagues from Zone1 have said, absolutely yes. They are now available for order here in Australia, so you won't have to wait long :)
My audiologist agreed. Will get next week.
Not sure you got it right when you said audio streaming on Android phones requires Android 8 or higher. If you're talking about ASHA (and I'm not sure what else it could be right now), it's Android 10 and- even then- only on some phones.
Hi John. That's interesting! Oticon definitely have it on their website as "Android 8 or later", if you click on the link in the description, you can see it. They also claim it is ASHA in their promotional videos. We will clarify with them next week when we have our training and get back to you. Since all the other ASHA hearing aids require android 10 and up, you're probably correct and they are perhaps referring to the ON app, not streaming...but that's certainly not what the website is currently suggesting! :)
@@ValueHearing With Android 8, Oticon is referring to their Android compatibility for adjusting volume using the OticonON app. However for streaming calls and media, I believe John is right; clients will require an ASHA compatible Android 10 phone.
@@alexanderkokkinos1078 Yes, I think you are correct. We asked Oticon Australia about it, they thought it may have been a mistake and so they reported it to head office - and it looks like that they have now highlighted that there is no direct streaming with certain models. Thank you!!
I want you to be my audiologist 😀. What Oticon is advertising is what I’ve always wanted. I love hearing all the sounds around me.
Hi Blaine. If you're ever in Sydney, you should definitely come say hello!! It seems you are not alone, their independently conducted research (albeit a small sample) is suggesting that the human brain works better when it can have access to all the sounds in the environment. It'll just be interesting to see if they can get the balance right, the way they are suggesting they can!
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Northern Ireland meets Auzzie. Love the accent! Intrigued by the hearing aid. Can’t wait to see field test results.
hello! which the better? Phonak paradise p70 or oticon more 3 minirite r?
The Paradise 70 is a higher level of technology than the More 3. The More 2 is the same level of technology. They each do things a bit differently, so it depends on several factors as to which may be best for you.
Thanks a lot for the information Emma!
You're most welcome, Vasanth!!
Looking forward to seeing how these go when they’re released!
Thanks, Pauline. Yes - let's hope it lives up to the hype!!
Sounds really interesting! Let’s hope it is something different and groundbreaking. 🤞🏼
Let's hope indeed!! :)
Happy New Hear!🎉🎊🍾🥂
Haha, thanks Jim!! Happy new hear to you too!!
Thanks emma for nice explaination. From audiologist from india
I had my hearing test yesterday.. I have the hearing aids in my hand. I need new hearing aids. DR: do you currently wear the ones you have? Me: sometimes, I feel very self conscious so I don't wear them.. Dr: so why do you need new ones? lol
Thanks Emma. This could be a game changer. I wonder what the learning curve will be for the brain to adapt to this technology.
Great, I just ordered my ops s1. I hope I can some how exchange it.:(
In Australia, our exchange period is very generous with Oticon. Definitely speak to your audiologist.
@@ValueHearing thanks for the reply. I go Monday and will be discussing getting the new ones.
Clicked on the link, but no info there on the More or phone compatibility.
Hi John, you need to opt to stay on the international website, and then you’ll be able to see the hearing aid compatibility guide. There are some tabs along the top where you can select the hearing aid, and then select the phones/tablets tab and the list should come up.
Hello Emma
This is IMRAN. I need your help.
I am suffering from otosclerosis. Which is bilateral conductive hearing loss.
Is there any treatment or anything by which I ll get relief. Currently I am using hearing aid in left side. On right side I got operated. ENT surgeon puts a prosthesis in my right ear in place of stapes bone. I don't wanna use hearing aid in my both ear. I wanna live normal life. I can come Sydney or anywhere in the world if you know anything related to my disease or cure to it. Plz tell. Thanks in Anticipation.
Plz do reply.
Imran from India.
Hi Imran, thank you for contacting us. It is very difficult to give medical advice without knowing more. Has the prosthesis in the right ear been successful at all? If you like, send us your audiogram and any other information you have about your hearing loss and history to info@valuehearing.com.au and we will do our best to give advice on the information we have. There have been a lot of developments in the middle ear implant sector of the industry. Looking forward to hearing from you.
Intriguing. They are offering a risk-free trial in the US. Your thoughts? Nothing to lose to give it a try?
Hi Linda, you are always welcome at one of our clinics to try the hearing aids and discuss whether they'll work for you. Value Hearing always offers a risk free 60 day money back guarantee.
Is there any update yet? Have you tested the Oticon More? Any indication as to the price range? Thanks for your video!
Hi Kappa, we have just fitted some clients this past week. Initial comments are that they are clearer than other aids the clients have had tried previously as well as controlling noise very well. It is still early days yet, but it looks promising. Pricing in Australia without subsidy starts at $4,360 a pair for the More 3 and up-to around $7,000 for the More 1 (pair). Any subsidies and/or private health insurance rebates comes off these prices.
Value Hearing love your videos.I can see the transparency..you have mention AUD price here or USD..?? Can you plz share latest update..looking to buy my first pic of hearing aid here in india..many thanks for your video!!
Interesting. Worth learning about all brands and thanks for sharing. No custom rechargeable yet then. Often it’s important to seperate the hype from the reality as a professional. AI is already in Starkey aids. Finally an Oticon which can connect with some Android phones.. long overdue. I look forward to hearing your real world review and wonder if Oticon will make a close-able and smaller rechargeable case with built-in charges and longer daily battery life. Pricing will be interesting as well.. we’ll see..
Hi Josh. Yes, totally agree. It appears that the difference with this approach is that the AI is on-board and not running off the phone, like Starkey and Widex do. It would make sense they'd make a custom rechargeable, wouldn't it?! The starkey one has been great so far!! Fingers crossed for a better charger and pricing that is not too eye-watering :) thanks for your comments and support!!
Hi Emma, well I'm not deaf, I don't wear hearing aids but a lot of times I can't hear
Hi William, yes indeed. There is a very big range between 'normal hearing' and 'Deaf'. However, 'normal hearing' isn't perfect either. It may be worth having your hearing checked, just to get a measurement.
@emma
I was thinking that you will reply. I didn’t expect. Thanks
Hi Emma, will they now be releasing their opn s in the iic/cic range?
I wish we knew! No indication from Oticon yet about their plans for the custom hearing aids. It would be nice for these to be updated.
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Roberta. Anthony.
You know i like oticon,and i thing i am gonna be a cyborg😀
It certainly does sound like it will turn us into cyborgs!! :)
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