The Forgotten Crash Of TWA 800
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- Опубликовано: 4 ноя 2020
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Reverse Thrust Animation: FAA
707 Image: Michel Gilliand
707 Diagram : NASA
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This is the story of TWA 800, No not the TWA 800 you're familiar with but the 1964 crash of a TWA 707. On the 23rd of november 1964 a twa 707 was flying from romes fumincino airport to Ellinikon international airport in Greece. Captain Lovell went over the pre flight briefing, the weather was good, there was some choppy weather over northern italy but other than that all of europe was great. After having lunch with a friend Captain Lovell decided to perform the visual inspection of the airplane, everything seemed to be in order. They decided that the first officer would be the one flying out of Rome that day. As they studied their departure, and did their pre flight checks,ATC came on and gave them permission to start their engines. As they taxied they got their take off clearance, which meant that they wouldn't have to hold short or pause at the runway, they could just turn onto the runway, open up the throttles and go. Even though the first officer would be flying, Captain Lovell was the one who had access to nose wheel steering, so he would hand the plane off to the first officer when they were at 80 knots.
They got on the runway and started their take off roll, as they reached 80 knots. The data coming in from engine number 4 showed an issue. 2 seconds later a reverse thrust light came on for engine number 2. Something was wrong with engine number 2 as well.
Instantly Captain Lovell decided to reject the take off, it would not be safe, and since they were well below their V1 speed, it was the right call. Captain Lovell now in control of the plane, he first pulled the engines back to idle and then used the speed brakes and the brakes to start slowing the plane down. Then he engaged the reverse thrusters. Reverse thrust is a mechanism by which planes can use the thrust from their engines to slow down. The concept is really simple. The thrust from an engine pushes a plane forward, now if you were to redirect that thrust forward, it would help the plane slow down. That's basically what reverse thrusters do re-direct thrust in the opposite direction of motion so that the plane slows down. On the 707 this was done using clamshells or buckets. When the reverse thrust is activated buckets move into the jet exhaust and they redirect it forwards.
As the crew rejected the take off the plane yawed violently to the right. Something was wrong the plane was to slow down and come to a stop on the runway. A crew member let the capatin know that tires on the right side of the plane had blown. But there was a problem the last 2000 feet of the runway was closed today for maintenance and as Captain Lovell struggled to keep his plane under control he saw a steam roller traverse the runway. Captain Lovell tried to turn to the left in order to avoid hitting the steam roller. But he failed, engine number 4 slammed into the steam roller tipping it over. 800 feet beyond that the plane came to a halt, minus engine number 4. The crew flew through the checklist for an rejected takeoff, the first officer now altered Captain Lovell to the fact that there was a fire on the right side of the plane. Immediately Captain Lovell shuts the engines down, he cuts the fuel and hydraulic lines to the engine and activated the fire suppressors. As he did this a violent explosion rocked the plane. Quote “ As of that instant, and from then on, we-my passengers, my crew and I-descended into the deepest pit of hell” end quote, their ordeal was far from over.
As Captain Lovell made his way out of the cockpit he went into the cabin to help in any way that he could. He found that the flight attendants were having a hard time with the emergency chutes in addition to all of this the aisles of the cabin were full of people. Captain Lovell made his way 
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I was hired as a TWA pilot on Dec 7, 1964. The Rome Accident was during the summer of 1964 and was discussed in our introductory training as a pilot.
my first thought when seeing this video: Forgotten? Everyone knows about that one
10 seconds in: Ohhhhhhhhh ok yeah, apparently it is forgotten lol
My first thought: "Why is he using a picture of a 707 instead of a 747?"
@@BigTylt And then they proceed with video of a DC-9/MD-80.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
"my first thought when seeing this video: Forgotten? Everyone knows about that one"
I came here to find out about THAT ONE and got this one instead :(
Maybe I have heard about THAT ONE but I won't know until I find out which one THAT ONE actually is !
And no, I did not know about the other one !
same
@@millomweb obviously THAT ONE is TWA 800
How terrifyingly sad to hear the deep sorrow and pain in a captain's words at the betrayal he felt in being unable to save his passengers and crew when there was no need for any of them to have died in an accident like this.
🙏😢
I've always found it amazing that the relatively thin-looking buckets for reverse thrust don't just get blown right off or bent while taking the thrust of the engine! Pretty impressive engineering
In part, they look small because the engines are big. Then of course materials and engineering must be high quality. Finally they mostly work in tension, so they do retain their shape like a parachute would.
There are engines where the bucket does not sit at the far back of the engine: since they have to be hinged where the "parachute effect" cannot be used, they look substantially stronger
@@thenasadude6878 Very interesting, thanks for the explanation! I understand they are very big so that's why I said "relatively" thin, I'm sure they're several mm thick (1/4" too much?) and very strong material. It also makes sense that the buckets could take a lot in the form of tension loading, probably due to it's shape? I also found it interesting how they have to close with such force in order to overcome the thrust and actually operate while the engine is running lol
They are enormously strong.
When we test them, they slam together with an almighty bang and are easily strong enough to cut someone in half.
(I believe there is a 737 video of a dummy being squashed in the TR)
Fire wins over everything..
@@Sierrahtl not over graphite it doesn't
I really feel for the captain in this accident. To have done the right thing and rejected takeoff because something was wrong and then for things to go so so badly wrong that people died. That must have been truly awful. 😭
Yeah. There wasnt even pilot error. Its like death wanted them to die so badly...
This video was going to feature this gorgeous TWA 707 that I found online, but I broke my MSFS2020 install so bad that reinstalling it didnt fix it, Currently reinstalling windows. Sigh maybe next time
MS Windows Crash Investigation
reinstalling WINDOWS?
I reinstalled the game and the issue still persisted so I decided to wipe the entire thing and start over
ok, just seems excessive to me
Bummer ....for me anyway it's so distracting to see 747s and DC 9s (?)
The reason why the steamroller was on the runway in the first place was because at the time, Fiumicino Airport was having severe issues with runway subsidence. At the time of the accident, Fiumicino had officially been in operation for three years (January 15th 1961) although de-facto it had been in operation for four (August 20th 1960); Fiumicino had originally been built as a replacement airport for Ciampino, which had become saturated and at the time was not suitable for jet operations, and had originally been envisaged to open for the 1960 Rome Olympics.
However, already during construction, it became clear that the soil of the new location was in places less than suitable, with the 7-25 runway suffering subsidence on its 07 side almost from the first day. At the time of the accident, Runway 25 was 8612 ft long, however the last 2050 ft was out of use for repairs - eventually the runway issue was considered unsalvagable, and the runway was shortened by 1400 ft on the 07 end (displaced tees starting from taxiway A, with the portion between taxiway A and the then-runway 16-34, present-day runway 16R-34L no longer in use)
The initial issue was a loss of the Engine Pressure Ratio on engine number four. However, it is believed that this was due to a faulty gauge instead of an actual issue with the engine. The EPR no.4 gauge had previously shown errors on another aircraft; after repairs it had been reinstalled on the accident aircraft. Despite later investigations, it was never found why this gauge had failed in the first place. However, this combined with the sudden thrust reverser warning was enough for Captain Lowell to reject the take-off.
One thing that was not touched upon in this video was the design of the escape slides which certainly contributed to the high number of victims. In 1964, escape slides on the 707 worked considerably differently than they do nowadays. The escape slides were separate packages, which were stowed in an overhead compartiment above the door. In order to use them, first the door had to be opened; then the slide package had to be pulled down from the overhead compartiment; then it had to be latched in place with a bar; then the package had to be pushed out of the door; and only then could it be deployed by pulling the inflation handle. While the accident aircraft had four escape slides, none were succesfully used: the two slides on the right hand side were not used due to the fire being on that side; the forward left slide had been improperly stowed and fell inwards; while the rear left slide was never installed as the stewardess was pushed out by panicking passengers after she opened the door but before she had a chance to start the lengthy chute deployment 'procedure'. A number of victims are known to have escaped the burning aircraft, only to sustain injuries on jumping down from the cabin that left them unable to escape the rapidly expanding fuel fire around the aircraft. One result of the accident was a thorough redesign of escape slides, so they would automatically deploy when the door was opened in an emergency.
Finally, one thing I saw mentioned by some in the comments: while nowadays it seems evident that flight numbers are retired after major accidents, this was not the case in the 1960s. For instance, TWA Flight 2, involved in the 1956 Grand Canyon collision, retained its flight number on the exact same route post-accident (KSFO-KLAX-KMKC-KSTL-KCLE-KDCA). 1959's TWA Flight 891, a Paris-bound Starliner out of Milan, was retired for the 1960 schedule, but only because TWA changed its international fights from Starliners to 707s in 1960, and Milan Malpensa could not handle the 707 at the time. 1964's Flight 800 retained its flight number - the 1966 TWA schedule shows it as a daily flight from Kansas City via Chicago O'Hare and New York International to Paris-Orly, twice-weekly continuing on to Rome, Cairo, Bombay and Bangkok (one of the two flights stopping at Dhahran out of Cairo before continuing to Bombay)
What about the steamroller operator? Did he survive?
@@smwca123 As far as I'm aware, the steamroller was unmanned (i.e. parked) at the time of the accident.
before she had a chance to start the lengthy chute deployment 'procedure'. 😒🛐
Just to set the record straight again, it was indeed Captain Vernon W. Lowell, not "Lovell". He was greatly embittered by the experience. At any rate, he later wrote a book titled "Airline Safety Is A Myth" in 1967.
I never knew that there was a TWA 800 crash 32 years before the TWA 800 crash most people know about.
The most surprising thing is finding out that airlines don't always retire flight numbers after crashes with mass fatalities.
Same.
Same.
That’s crazy a lot of legacy carriers do not retire doomed flight numbers
TWA 800...unlucky call sign ☹️
That pilot deserves an award
He was first out. Deserves an award for cowardice. It's like your captain now on a parachute telling you he is going to get help.captain is the expert on all about the plane. Operation of doors locks etc. You don't abandon ship as captain. Captain is the last man out( like Sully) not first one by a secret escape hatch. Disgusting man who hid behind a finger to continue his rich life while his subjects perished.
Concordia happened in Italy. This occured in Italy. Was the Concordia captain trying the Lovell defence"I went out first to help". He tried but they put his backside in jail
@@haiwatigere6202 but he literally went back and dragged people to safety and tackled the fire out of people. Its not like he ran away from the situation he went outside to help and then he realized the whole thing is on fire so he went back and dragged people out of the fire, how is that cowardice?
Yep
He got a reward better than any award.
@@haiwatigere6202titanic captain after he can’t get out of the ship:
May the victims of both TWA flight 800 crashes RIP. I’m no pilot but I was very impressed by the actions of this crew, especially the captain. Also, RIP Captain Lovell and TWA.
Just a comment… the name of the captain was Vernon Lowell, not Vernon Lovell. In case anyone is looking up information on this accident.
Me seeing a 707 on the thumbnail for a twa 800 video:
Aye new upload!
Looks closer at thumbnail:
WAIT
*WAIT WHAT*
I don't get it, please explain
I think he was expecting a B747
@@Theodore1999 yea i was
I was thinking the exact same thing.
Wow, another story worth remembering. The fact that you tell the sequence of events as they were perceived by the crew really helps realise how little information they had to base their split-second decisions on.
I had no idea that there was another tragedy with this particular flight number. I thought that with such a tragedy they would have retired the flight number.
Hello I was just thinking the same thing!
I'm not superstitious but flt 800 later had an accident. Sometimes an experience can be in ones sub conscience and help to create fear and a repeat performance may occur. Any walk of life.
I don’t think that anything should be on an active runway Just close the runway Period
different times.. now it's no longer allowed.
@@bigballz4u Active for airplanes only! 😂
When I was an airline pilot, this accident was always. used in ground school as a “think about if you have this happen” scenario. I did have a thrust reverser failure but immediately got an indication that this had occurred.... handing a 10,000 ft runway made it a non event. But I use to thing about possible emergencies all the time. One event was always a fire on the ground and how to help everyone exit safely. Good thing about humans we can learn from our accidents. Today, commercial aviation is very safe. But vigilance and dedication by everyone involved in safety first is of paramount importance.
10:00 Aviation safety has improved so much due in large part to all of the accidents. RIP to all of the unfortunate passengers and crew whose lives were sacrificed so that aviation is now safer for the rest of us.
yet another underrated channel
keep this up man
I am humbled that you think so
I wonder what happened to the poor dude driving the steam roller?
Love your channel bud.
Great channel first steam roller 1860 France ,still around 1970s I guess , probably a diesel roller
Interesting thing about fumes - volatile mixtures have two concentrations "LEL and UEL" which are the upper and lower explosive limits. Between these the stuff can go "boom" outside of them (including in a gas tank) they can't. That's why exploding cars in movies are a bit silly.
Absolutely lovely footage of that L-1011! Love the channel, keep it up!
I been waiting for this, that was very interesting I’d like to get my hands on his book, thank you for the great video
I just found your channel, by watching one of your slightly older videos. It’s amazing how much your narration has improved, in a few few short weeks, keep up the good work. 👍
Great Video accompanying the excellent narrative. I couldn't help noticing that one of the B727s in the videos was N4339TW. The Beirut Hijack plane. Captain Testrake in command.
I really found your closing remarks to be reassuring. Once again, great job in telling the story.
Strange destiny of the two 800s. First one departing from Rome and the second arriving in Rome.
Aside from stock footage of various “other” aircraft types throughout the video, the diagram of the engine reversers is from a Boeing 737-1/200’s JT8D series of engine. The Boeing 707 had JT3 or JT4 or Rolls Royce Conway engines. The reversers on these engines are internal to the exhaust nozzle with cascade vanes exposed externally when in use.
Your vids are always excellent 👍
Thank you for continuing to share!
I did not hear of this accident before, thanks for sharing!
All crashes are terrible but anything with the 707 is always interesting, thanks for your support of the older aviation..
Captain Lovell is a true aviation hero, not only saving lives on the ground, but helping save thousands of lives in the future of commercial aviation.
Fascinating story. Flew in the 707 twice. First time as a kid. Cabin pressurisation wasn't very good compared to other more recent aircraft. Much ear pain.
Great job on today's video. Had never heard of this other TWA 800 flight. Thank you for putting this together.
Your channel has improved a lot, thanks for this interesting video.
9:00 that TWA 727 looks sooo sooo pretty and elegant :)
Love your work mate. Keep it up.
You learn something new every day, great vid by the way
even more impressively, all of those hundreds of people in more recent accidents were evacuated within *90 seconds* or less - that seems to be the standard requirement for cabin and exits layout these days
MAC, this is your best one yet!!
Great video as always! Thank you and keep up the good work😊
Thank you!!
Thanks for sharing a little known accident. Clips worked well visually
I remember this one! I was thinking, "That's the one that hit the steamroller in Rome, isn't it?" LOL.
TBH I thought this was going to be about the notorious 1996 tragedy and other sides of the story, little did I know that there was a tragedy of the same flight number and same airline years earlier. I am grateful that the captain did what he could to save as any people as possible, and my heart goes out to the family/friends of the people lost in both TWA 800 tragedies.
Literally I had no idea thx for informing me
I LOVE "bucket" reverse thrust...
They also can "eat" a person.
They sure can lol ruclips.net/video/yz3AC93DvDo/видео.html
As can a Navy fighter jet inlet.
They nearly beheaded no less than Herb Kelleher of Southwest Airlines when he poked his head into the rear of a 737-200 engine.
I absolutely love your channel!!
Your narrative is tops...so interesting and very understandable.
Great job on this vid.
Two crashes with the same call sign? That’s confusing IMO especially as they’re from different airports but crashed for the same reason : fumes in the fuel tanks...
This really confused me, too. I wasn't expecting this one at all; I was expecting the 1996 disaster. That was just so horrific. I've never forgotten it because sadly, it happened on my parents' anniversary. It kinda spoiled things for them. To this day, there is still a belief that a stray Navy missle knocked them out of the sky. Of course, the military is super good at keeping that kind of stuff on the QT.
@@ecclestonsangel wow people still believe something that’s been actually disproven
@@corruptedeevee5574 yeah, no incentive to cover that up...
Coincidence? I THINK NOT
@@ecclestonsangel
Did you all know someone on the plane? Why would it spoil the day?
Great video!
I had heard of this crash, I read about it in David Hero's Aviation Disasters, but it did not mention that the flight was also numbered 800!
I flew TWA 800 from JFK to CDG in 1985. It was a beautiful 747 like the ones in this video. Hard to believe what happened to those 230 people in 1996. I still have the ticket
you got tickets?
Was it N93119
@@antiuttpprimewastaken Not 100% sure. There's a photo of N93119 at CDG in January 1985, which is a few months before I flew TWA 800 JFK-CDG. I'd live to find a detailed flight history for N93119.
Yes, airline safety has greatly improved over the last 50 years but most people don't realize that it was at a cost of many lives. Most of the safety features pointed out by the cabin crew (that are ignored during taxiing by most passengers) have real and sometimes repeated accidents that sparked them. The same thing goes for design, building and operation regulations.
Very nice video.
RIP Captin Lovell. Another great video.
I was going to comment that I've never forgotten the crash of TWA 800, but it turns out there was another one I didn't know about. Wow.
Lesson to learn: Don't board a flight that has the number TWA800
@@m3redgt third time’s a charm (no more TWA, though)
Your channel must be a bane for conspiracy theorists everywhere...
Theorist: "No other aircraft has ever exploded because of fumes in the fuel tank."
M.A.C.I.: "Yes they have, and here are two more examples of it."
Wow , amazing facts ! I do not the story of that particular flight !!! I had two general aviation accidents , I understand the feeling of Captain Lovell , after my accidents I get more involved in aviation safety issues , especially because in both of the accident was no procedure written for those events (BN2A dual engine failure in flight and C208 Right Main landing gear collapsed on landing rollout).I always take care of my and my passengers but after an accidents you take some take to take away that sour feeling ! Safe flights !!!
Great video....good resource too.
TWA should have retired flight 800's from future use.
Yea I agree , I’m also a bit of a superstitious person.
I thought retiring a flight number after an accident (or "incident") was standard practice, apparently not.
@@worldcomicsreview354 Well, exactly. It's not as if they can't come up w/any more numbers to apply to flights thereafter.🙄
The number “800” is cursed in Trans World Airlines
I too thought this was going to be the other TWA 800. They really need to put cameras around these planes so pilots can actually see what’s going on with crucial components.
So they essentially suggested “improved fuel tank safety” back then, yet a lack of nitrogen purging years later on that EXACT flight number killed everyone onboard? Oh the irony. 😐
Also, I thought airlines took flight numbers out of rotation if there was a deadly accident.
It's strange that they didn't remove the number from rotation as they always do! I guess it's because of the long time that passed. However now this TWA 800 is twice a bad reference...
Yes and yes...I agree with you
What are the odds of two different planes with the same flight number not only be involved in tragic fatalities but also due to fuel tank fumes.
Another statistic: this was the first of 4 fatal events experienced by TWA between Athens and Rome, in a 12 year period. A jinxed route it seems. One of the line #s, 841, was the same as the TWA plane in 1979 that almost crashed over Michigan.
@@cchris874 such similarities are seldom coincidence; much more likely that TWA crew practices on that route/region, like Pan Am with Pacific route 707s in the early 70’s, were somehow lacking.
@@danielziemba8045 Indeed. 3 of the 4 events were terrorism, reflecting the risk to US aircraft in that part of the world. They were either going to or had originated in the Middle East. I myself arrived at Athens in 1973, exactly one day before a TWA 707, the same flight I had traveled on, was initially targeted for hijack. It led to a bloody shootout in the transit lounge.
Uncanny isn't it?
In those days accidents were swept under the rug as much as possible since flight was fairly new & not as popular as now. Things to the public were largely censored.
Apparently the Italian tv was filming from the airport terrace and filmed the accident, the film was confiscated for the investigation and never returned.
This is my favourite True Crime channel
Most plane crashes aren't crimes.
Another great video. Pronunciation tip for the name of Fiumicino airport: most of the time, “c” in Italian is pronounced “ch”. So it sounds like “Fiumichino”.
I was going to comment on this. In Italian, ce and ci are pronounced like our che and chi. An I softens a sound that would normally be hard, and an H hardens a sound that would normally be soft. So ca, co and cu are hard sounds that can be softened as cia, cio and ciu (silent I), while ce and ci are soft and can be hardened as che (ke) and chi (ki). This applies equally to the letter G, which is the letter C with a vocal (throat) sound added.
Lol
Italians don’t care what their English sounds like; why should he care what his Italian sounds like??
Everytime you fly successfully it's partly because people died in airline incidents in the past...
Those old jet aircraft burst into flame at the drop of a hat
Nailed it. I was like who watches these video's and forgets about twa 800.
This reminds me of TAM flight 402 in Brazil. Have you done a video on that flight?
Holy crap, I remember that book ... I bought a copy for my mother right as she was getting ready to leave on a business trip... 😂😂
I love that you went back in time to this Flight 800 and the 707 with an excellent video and a salute to Captain Lovell who was one of the early advocates of airline safety. More historic incident videos please. BTW, if you do get the 707 footage please insert as a revision, but I liked the L-1011 and MD-80 footage as well. Thanks!
Me: Wait, everyone knows about TWA 800
Mini Air Crash Investigation: 0:04 “This is not the TWA 800 you are familiar with”
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Mini Air Crash Investigation LOL! As always, awesome content and presentation.
Nice Tristar footage.
At 1:41 They are NOT *reverse thrusters* . The system used to divert fan air forward to slow an aircraft is called *thrust reversers* .
Finally someone who talks about this one
I unfortunately find that most captains who are involved in accidents during flights are not worthy of being called heroes, however this Captain was a legit hero! They seem to sadly be few and far between. The flight attendant in the Helios flight was another hero! He saved a massive amount of life on the ground in the city of Athens.
Interesting video, but couldn't the original poster have found some images of an actual 707, which was the plane involved in the incident instead of just any TWA plane such as the 747's and 727's shown?
The most important unanswered questions: was it ever determined whether engine 4 was, indeed faulty? And, was it ever determined why the thrust reverser on engine 2 was effectively disconnected?
The runway was long enough to reject a takeoff FOR A PLANE THAT WORKS PROPERLY
5:39 the diagram is drawn incorrectly. The engine thrusts shown are inconsistent with the yaw direction shown.
While if a reverser was on for no. 2 during the initial roll the engine thrusts would be shown correctly this would have resulted in a yaw to the left.
After the deployment of the reversers the net thrust on nos. 1, 3 and 4 were backwards and no. 2 was still forwards resulting in the yaw to the right.
Wild that the now-more-famous TWA800 was also caused by explosive fuel fumes…
The reverses you described were for Boeing 737-200. They used the buckets called clam shells. 707s used cascade reverses, totally different design concept.
Stopping g distance on a runway is not predicated on use of thrust reverses. Had he just used idle thrust and maximum brakes it might have been a safer option. With a reverses unlock on am Engine not a good idea to operate its thrust reverses. Gad he used reverses in outboard engines alone with max brakes plus spoilers the outcome might have been safer. The fire die to high level of fuel because of the long flight ahead was almost inevitable with any impact near fuel tanks. Decision to abort take off was correct as wA the design to shut down engines and apply fore extinguishers..but only once plane is fully stopped as shutting off hydraulic lines if moving will rob you braking capability. Safety and Emergency procedures at the time were still in their infantile stage. A similar take off about accident on a VC10 on a flight from AddisAbaba to Rome in 1972 also resulted in fire and deaths. Thrust reverses unlock was not the cause but FOD impact on runway at V1. Had they continued take off accident might have been averted. In cade of the TWA 707 if it happened at V1 better to have continued but shut down Engine no. 2.
Black Metal band Mortis Mutilati released an album about that plane crash: "The Fate of Flight 800", available on RUclips.
I love your channel, but why did you show a 727 taxing even though it was a 707?
i thought that airlines discontinued a flight number after a crash? as AA 191 and Pan Am 103. Can you do a report/story on the safest airlines by decades since the passenger jet service began?
I'm sorry but every time you start with "this is the story..." all I can think of is the fresh prince of bel-air hahaha. but love the videos, keep it up!!
This is the story all about how my plane got flipped turned upside down
I’d like to take a minute,
Just sit right there
I'll tell you how my flight fell right out of the air
@@yaysimonsays151 iconic
What is the name/author of that book you mentioned? I can't seem to find it
Vernon Lowell; "Aviation (or Airline) Safety Is A Myth".
This is of topic but How did he jet to 30+k in subs. I was subbing at 15k oh my he has grown so much!
The algorithm gods have been kind 😂
What were the initial issues that caused the rejected takeoff?
Couldn't find any TWA B707 videos on the entire WWW?
why didint they change the flight number after the first time?
Why in a video about a Boeing 707, are, except for the first few seconds, ALL of the pictured aircraft, OTHER makes and models?
What's with the DC-9 in a 707 story?
I miss seeing those loud and smokey 707s in the air.
God the L-1011 is a sexy arse plane. It's a shame that they never were able to snuff out the DC-10. But back on topic, at least these lives weren't in vain.
I was just wondering who disconnected that number two deflector did anybody get in trouble or did it slip under the carpet that's a lot of people dead for a bad Act
Why did I know exactly everything about this
Video idea: Wayne county runway collision
It’s on the list. You must be knowledgeable if you knew about this crash. There isn’t a whole lot of public discourse about this accident on the web
Did you complete your pilot license test ?
Was that dc-707?
Ironically, if they had implemented their idea of putting inert gases into the tanks the other twa 800 disaster may not have happened.