Flaming Out On An Icy Night | The Crash Of British World Airways 4272
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- Опубликовано: 16 авг 2020
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Viscount Image: Ken Fielding
Concorde Image:Eduard Marmet
This is the story of British world Airways flight 4272. On the 25th of february 1994 a British world Airways Vickers viscount was on its way from Edinbrugh turnhouse airport to the coventry baginton airport. The Vickers viscount was a special airplane. It entered service in 1953 and it was the world's first turboprop airplane. The turboprop was way better than the piston engines of the time. The turboprop was more powerful, it flew quieter and it was cheaper to operate. Britain was at the top of their airplane building game during the mid 20th century. I mean they innovated like crazy with the brabazon, the viscount, the comet and the trident. If you want to see a video about the british aviation industry of the 20th century do let me know!
Flight 4272 was usually dispatched at 7:30 pm but on the 25th they expected the weather to get a bit worse, so thet decided to move the departure up by about 50 minutes.
The weather for the day predicted a fair bit of drizzle and clouds between 600 and 16000 feet. They knew that the clouds would have perfect conditions that were just right for icing. With the plane fueled up with 1080 imperial gallons or 4900 litres of fuel the plane was ready to go!
The plane took off at 6:43 pm with the captain at the controls. As the weather was less than ideal the crew had turned on anti ice for all the 4 engines and for the key areas of the airframe. As the plane climbed through the clouds to its cruising altitude of 19000 feet, the crew got an overheat warning. The Deicing duct on the right wing was overheating. It was well above the recommended 165 degrees celsius or 329 degrees fahrenheit. The power unit de-icing system on engine number two was drawing about 16 amperes of electrical power instead of the normal 20.
It was 7:13 pm the crew was concerned about icing, the pilots double checked the de-icing system and it was working just as intended. Seven minutes later the first officer observed ice on engine number 4 but he wasnt too concerned as the ice seemed to be shedding.
At 7:32 pm as the plane approached 15000 feet in altitude engine number 2 failed and the props auto feathered. You see for the blades on a turboprop to generate thrust, it must be at a right angle to the oncoming air, this way the blades can really bite into the air. However if the engine were to fail, the blades in this right angle configuration would generate a lot of drag so these engines are designed to auto feather that is to turn the blades in such a way that they’re parallel to the oncoming air, this means that the failed engine is not generating too much drag.
After having completed the shutdown drills for engine number 2, engine number 3 started to run down. The captain realizing the severity of the issue said “get an immediate descent, Declare an emergency” The first officer transmitted “Manchester manchester this is british world 4272 Weve just had a double engine failure due ice request immediate descent please and radar vectors”
At this point the plane was 16 nm from manchester airport. At 14000 feet.Manchester control allowed the plane to descend 5000 feet. Soon afterward manchester handed the plane off to birmingham. At 7:38 pm as the plane descended through 8400 feet engine number 4 failed as well. 
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I’m not certain if you’re the one adding CC to all your videos, but I want to say a big thank you to whomever it is!! It is so great to see an aviation channel that is accessible to anyone, regardless of impaired sight or hearing!
I’m pretty sure it’s him. Many of his videos have extra lines in the subtitles, like it’s been cut from the final video
The "s" is silent in Viscount ..... vie-count (the first syllable rhymes with die).
...indeed🤦🏻♂️😅
Glad someone pointed that out. 😉👍👍
Yanks 🙈
thamesmud The important thing was you didn't waste any time checking to see if five or ten people had already pointed that out. :)
Ack! That was disturbing.
These blokes didn't have a chance with so many things going wrong. The Viscount certainly was a remarkable aircraft for it's time, but this one had just too many things out of alignment to get home. Thank you for a great explanation of this aircraft accident. Well done!
Agreed. Too many electrical and mechanical failures for any pilot to deal with, I think.
And it seems like there were some design shortcomings that made the pilots job a lot harder than necessary. Why make it so that the pilots have to manually adjust the fuel-air mixture to restart an engine? Shouldn't that be automated? Why should the pilots have to reconfigure the electrical system when an engine fails? Shouldn't that, too, be automated?
I think I flew on this model in the 1960s and 1970s when my family used to fly in and around the British West Indies on BWIA airlines. We traveled to Saint Lucia, Barbados and Antigua quite a bit. The engines made a lot of noise, but you could feel the props "grinding" at the air, so you felt actually safer than in a regular prop plane or a jet aircraft. I remember the engine sounding like it had a weird steel chain-link sound, like they were being driven with loops of high-velocity steel chain cables.
GOOD SHOW YOUNG MAN.
IM GOING BACK AND RE WATCHING A LOT OF THEM.
I haven't even watched the video yet but I know I will love it! Not only are your videos well prepared and presented, but you produce them so regularly! Thank you for all your time and effort! [p.s., great video as always, but "viscount" is pronounce "Vi-Count", the 's' is silent :) ]
That's actually hilarious pal, I'm a fellow Scot and just commented correcting his pronunciation. He does do amazing videos though. Also; Saor Alba ;)
@@leon6777 Math fortan le neo-eisimeileachd na h-Alba!
(Chan eil mi eòlach air Albannaich. Chleachd mi eadar-theangaeachd air-loidhne)(I don't know scots. I used an online translator)
The Vi(silent S)count was my first thought too.
The first turbo prop aircraft to fly was a modified Gloster Meteor 1 in 1945, the Viscount was the first 4 engined turbo prop to go into production.
I spent many hours in the back of Viscounts in the 1970's and 1990's. Loved them
And that was awesome , I really like the way you talk and describe the situation
Thank you so much
Andrew Yes ... Well I don't. He can't even say VI COUNT. Keeps saying VIS COUNT
@@rosemarydudley9954 Yeah, I know. I noticed that, too. But despite his lack of a noticeable accent, I believe English is not his native language, so he can be forgiven.
I just subscribed today and I am loving this channel! The incidents are so well chosen, and so well presented. Thank you!
i really would like to see a video on british aircraft development, its quite an interesting topic
Like the Comet?
Comet, VC10, Trident, Viscount, Britannia, Brabizon, BAC 111 and BAE-146 would be awesome.
Your stuff is always enlightening as well as premium content. Thank you, you rock and thanks bro. The checklist.. always the list..
I was really just thinking where is mini air crash hope he post tonight , so now I hit the like button and just waiting for the 1.04 second add then I’m set to watch ,
Lol you can skip the ads it’s fine. Thank you for all your support
I didn’t want to skip ,I didn’t want to rush into it !
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigationi feel sorry that i used adblocker. you deserve more money.
I'm learning so much from these videos, you keep it very concise yet full of information.
I've binged a lot in the last day or two!
Great video! It's remarkable how much work you put into these :)
Just recently subbed. I really like this format and it's always interesting. Keep trying your hardest, we appreciate all the content
Thank you!
9:38 I believe declaring an emergency is the same as Mayday, Pan Pan is less serious than Emergency/Mayday.
Very interesting video, you sure do a great job presenting these investigations!
I think that in US is actually pretty common to declare an emergency rather to call Mayday
Thanks for sharing this piece of history. Really enjoyed watching and learning. Greetings from Dominica 🇩🇲
Your explanations are so helpful, such as in the feathering of the blades. Thank you.
I like you videos. Glad you do less known incidents as well as well known ones
As always you are doing a fantastic job with great commentary
Would like to see your take on that history. :)
Thanks I’ll make it a bonus episode soon :)
Me too
And me..
Me three
Me too! 👍
loved this video thanks would love to see a video on concord :)
Thank you. I like all of your videos.
I really enjoy your videos please keep up the good work!
Great episode 👍🏻
Just FYI it's pronounced "vye-count" (the first syllable rhyming with "by"), not like "discount" :)
So the S is silent?
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation Yes, and with a long "i" sound. It's a fairly common error even among native English-speakers, particularly non-British ones. (Viscount is a rank in the British Peerage, equivalent to Count in some other European countries.)
@@danieledwards3376 As an American I have pronounced it like, "discount" in my head when I read the word. In fairness it isn't something that comes up in casual conversation and doesn't even come up in most history lessons.
Mini Air Crash Investigation C’mon... even Wikipedia has pronunciation section literally at the beginning of the page. Then if you even bother to look at any footage of Viscount aircraft on RUclips it is pronounced as it should be. This is such a shame... and will certainly lead to others mispronouncing .... I’d re-record that altogether or just have someone double check my work before putting it out and looking like a fool.
@@remi_gio I pointed out the error but c'mon - maybe MACI can give you a refund if you're so upset by the issue!
LOVE the narration, I can listen and do dishes etc.
Another brilliant video
The Viscount was a beautiful aircraft and had a unique sound. Miss them.
Love this channel
Just a detail (at the begining of the video): it's true that Britain was at the top of their airplane building during the mid 20th century, no doubt, but Concorde was not a British plane. It was a French AND British aircraft. It's by the way the origin of its name.
I would just like you don't forget that in the mid 20th century French industry was not dead but rising in power following a very dark period during WWII and built also some legendary aircrafts like the Caravelle (1st short haul jet airliner in 1959, 1st with engines at the back of the airplane) or the Mirage III (1st european fighter to fly over Mach 2 in 1959), not to mention helicopters like the Alouette II (first turbo-engine H/C in 1955 - world altitude record at 8209m), which is not that bad ...
I have been in the aviation business for 40 years and, as you might have guessed, I am French. But I would point out that I don't claim anything and I can assure you that I have great and genuine respect for British aircraft industry which made extraordinary things and an incredible number of innovations. Just a point of clarification ...
However great videos. Regards
Lovely post, there was so much interesting design and innovation from so many countries during this period in history. Most British people really do appreciate this fact, there are a few though who make the rest of us cringe a little.
And Britishsh-French / French-British supersonic Concorde was not actually the first since the Russian Tu-144 appeared some months before. But it was not worthy, while Concorde was in service quite a long time.
And the russian was, in some details, too similar to the other. Some said that it was not just a coincidence.
Anyway, Concorde was a hit in aviation history, but unfortunately too expensive and soon old-fashioned. But beautiful anyway.
In plane crashes caused mainly by pilot error, it's like a figurative plane crash is happening in the cockpit before the actual crash.
this title is pure poetry! good job dude!!
I loved those shots of Southend Airport in the 1960s. I worked there at that time as a baggage handler in my Uni holidays.
Great coverage of this incident. I was shocked to hear it was that particular Viscount just hours after the crash as I had previously flown on it some time before.
Also I have been on board WF, the one shown at Duxford in the video and is indeed the world's oldest surviving Viscount, I was lucky enough to be allowed to sit in the captains seat. Not something that can be done now.
Liked and sub'd
Excellent job on this one. I think it is probably the best one you've made so far. The videos you used is great. Also, wonderful information on exactly what happened.
That was fantastic, thank you. Could I recommend The 1961 Lanfranc Air Disaster?
wow interesting. the importance of following checklists!
Your comment that Britian was on top of their aviation game in the 50/60’s reminds me of a far reaching civil aviation plan Britian developed during WW 2, This was the UKs post war commercial aviation game plan for intl long haul, regional and commuter air services throughout UK and anticipated competitions.
With the glaring misstep of the Brabazon it was remarkably well thought out and worth a read.
Ironically, the name of the commission that developed the plan you're referring to was called the Brabazon Committee.
Liked and subscribed!
Love the video but it is pronounced " vie count"
You beat me by 12 minutes. Lol
I know this video is a good few months old but I like your content a lot, and I would love to see a thingy on the British aero industry of the 20th century n
Ampere (amp) is the unit of current. Watt is the unit of (electrical in this case) power. Two very different entities.
Great video as always.
Around 1990 I flew with one of these BAF Vickers Viscounts to Danmark to visit the Bang&Olufsen factories. In the pre flight info they mentioned the plane as 'British Aerospace Viscount'..
And yes, it's pronounced 'Vai-kaunt'.
Hahaha, "kaunt"? Wtf is that? The second syllable is "count" as written.
I have a suggestion for a forgotten air crash. The 1960 Cal Poly Football Team crash in Toledo Ohio. Keep up the good work, this is an interesting channel.
Hey mark that’s a really interesting incident I had not known about that one. Thanks for bringing it up
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation It has been generally overlooked compared to the more famous 1970 Wichita State and Marshall University plane crashes. The reason I know about this crash is because my uncle Dr. Arthur James (the team physician) had survived the crash. From what I understand he had switched seats towards the back of the plane. Ironically, the survivors of the crash came from the back of the plane, where as those who were up front did not survive. This crash and the earlier mentioned ones helped establish safety guidelines for pilots that require minimum visual distances for safe takeoff and landings.
I always enjoy your stuff. I can imagine there are many blue blood Brits who are cringing at your pronunciation of the title Viscount. . . . it's correctly pronounced Viiiiiiiiiiiicount not Vissssssscount. Looking forward to your next clip.
We're there any passengers? I know you mentioned the first officer surviving and captain dying, but don't remember anything about other people on board
Nope they were the only ones on board
It was a cargo flight
The aircraft had been retired from passenger service and converted for carrying freight, it was 36 years old at the time of the accident, so it was just the cockpit crew...
The aircraft had, however, operated up until 1992 as a passenger aircraft...
@@SouthendArchive
Thank you.
Flew in Viscounts and the twin engined sibling the Viking a few times and they were quiet and smooth.
The Viking was totally differnt from the viscount.. it had piston engines.. it was derived from the wartime bomber the wellington
@@briancarno8837 I am very different to my siblings. I did not say it was a two engined version of the Viscount but they are both Vickers and of the same era.
I remember the lovely noise that they made. They were on the Belfast to London run in the late sixties.
Aye - I remember the Viscount. Flew in them London to Manchester a number of times as a lad. I mostly remember, with great pleasure, the huge windows...
Mini, check out the Aer Lingus Viscount crash at Tuskar Rock, I’d like your opinion
Yes do please always been a total mystery, i was 10years old at the time think it was March 1968? Think it was EI-AOM St Fintan or Finian Cork to LHR.
Yes, that one is very strange.
Why so many comments about the name? it is not the core of this. I didn't know about the right pronunciation since I am not an English native speaker, but I understood the story perfectly.
And even if you are a native speaker, I find big differences between American , English, Scottish, Irish, Welsh, Australian.. Is it really so important. I lived in England and work with Americans (and I'm Spanish ) and they have no problems at all with my errors, not try to correct every single mistake I make.
We hear when someone ask for a "paela" instead of "paella" (ll pronounced as J in Jack) in a Spanish restaurant and the waiter will not correct them but will accept it because it is more than clear.
Good channell, good job and don't worry, I will not remind you Iberia has an E-sound, not an AI sound at the beggining.
I'm scrolling down to find any juicy tidbits like their experiences, etc... Instead, it's like majority of the comments are like one liners on the correct way of pronouncing viscount.... At least one person mentioned working in one of those place shown in the video.
THIS IS LIKE THE CHANNEL I HAVE BEEN SEARCHING FOR LMFAOOOOO I DON'T EVEN KNOW 50% OF THE CRASHES AND I AM A HUGE GEEK
Your amazing min air crash investigator. Your constantly discovering new incidents each time. Not having to repeat the same previous incidents. I wish May Day air crash investigator did not cover the same crashes each multiple times. With only differences being them be retitled there maybe a few segments of information changed from the previous uploads of those episodes.
id love to see a video about the british aircraft industry
Would love to see video on Britain's aviation history through the 20th century. The highs & lows. How it went from the best in the world to almost nothing
@Star Trek Theory
Am intrigued. Which white elephant. Britain led the world at one point. First proper jet airliner (Comet) first to master supersonic flight. Then it seems all the companies got broken up & cherry picked by foreign companies.
Yes, would really like a vid about the (sadly mostly defunct) British aerospace industry. Is it just a matter of too much innovation and not enough marketing? Or maybe other factors. Certainly, the planes we produced are worth celebrating.
(brief NB, a viscount was a sort of assistant Count - a vice-count, like a vice-consul. The word got shortened, but an annoying silent S got left in. Why, english, why keep doing that?)
I know, right? It's a crazy language -- more complex and illogical than it needs to be.
please can you do another concord video. please
Just wondering, when did they start measuring fuel in weight rather than volume? Great Channel.
They measure in both but the weight is the more critical metric. Fuel pricing is by volume of course, fuel consumption is measured by both “gallons per hour” as well as “xxxx thousand pounds of fuel burn overall. But weight has always been the primary measurement for one simple reason - the total weight of fuel on board, along with the weight of passengers, baggage, and/or cargo is the most important number to any pilot. Total Takeoff Weight (and the associated center of gravity) have to be be below the max allowable takeoff weight given the operating environment the aircraft is departing. Same holds true for landing weight.
Andy, a good video, well presented. One small point though. Viscount is pronounced Vicount, no s sound.
Thanks for the correction Steve!
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation Also, the last part of Bimingham is pronounced "um". The H is silent. I think Americans pronounce their Birmingham as you do, but that's not how people pronounce the nae of the British city.
0:39 Yes, they did a fine job with the Comet.
Wonder if there are any Viscounts still flying? I think it is a beautiful aircraft, it would be wonderful to ride in one.
Assuming the weather is okay!
Where did this crash please the only Viscount crash I remember was near Manchester Airport onto houses.
Excellent to see the vintage footage of a Viscount and congratulations for pronouncing 'Birmingham ' correctly and not US style. Shame about the mispronounced 'Viscount' though...
I absolutely love your channel but possibly consider a better microphone.
Very nice, 12:14
And that was the end of G-OHOT, the world's fastest Viscount...
That is a handsome plane Honestly😜
From the map it looks like they over flew Tatenhill airport in the last minutes (small and probably shut but given their situation.....). I guess they didn't know it was there... or does an attempt to return to it expain their eratic final track?
The rolls Royce dart engine was tough, hard to kill
What caused the additional amp usage before the emergency?
Lower amperage. It wasn't keeping the ice cleared away.
I'd like to see the British airplanes era
Vie cont, die cont, tomato, tomatoe ,your doing awesome, as always enjoyed the hell out of all your research and effort, thank you, Douglas
Ohhh a A-400M 😍
Hopefully you can make a video about Far Eastern Air Transport Flight 103, whose accident conditions would be what happened to Aloha Airlines Flight 243...
Hey Brian long time no see! And sure I’ll look into it!
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation The final report on Aloha Airlines Flight 243 does mention this accident (Flight 103.)
Excellent, as usual. What I don't understand is why 34 total idiots have down voted this fine report - like they could have done better.
Anyone know why is power draw being described in terms of Current (Ampere) not in Watts?
Current is Amps, power is Watts. Watts doesn't take account of PF, which is why kVa is used.
Please list the airline and plane type first in your titles. If possible, I would like you to cover older (pre 1970) incidents since few of them are being done.
1:55 huh? It was 16 amps but normally would take 20? That is not a big difference, or do you mean it was 60 Ampères instead of 20?
don't forget the VC10
FYI: The "S" in the word "Viscount" is silent.
I just couldn't listen to the rest of the "pilot error" litany any longer. Experience is suppose to bring wisdom, not arrogance and conceit . What a senseless loss of life.
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Royal mail still use planes a bit like this to pick up mail from British outposts
Make that video of British airways. Not only British airways. Others history too
Interesting #2 engine location on the plane at 3:01...
If you are referring to the lever on the left side, fully forward, that's the flight fine pitch stop lever and not a throttle lever. Google RR Dart flight fine pitch lever for its function.
@@gordonsinclair9947 - I was referring to the tri-motor plane visible through the co-pilot's window, it has the #1 & #3 engines mounted on the wings and the #2 engine mounted up on the tail.
@@ouroboris Ah ... that is a Britten-Norman Trislander, the big brother of the two-engined B-N Islander.
@@gordonsinclair9947 Thanks for the info :)
After all these " pronunciation" comments, I'll bet you NEVER say " viScount" again!! Lol ( picky picky lol)
The Concorde was a franco-british design though.
9:40 „The First Officer had only declared an emergency but not a Mayday...“ ? Pardon me, but where is the difference?
Nowadays is pretty common to declare an emergency rather than calling mayday, particularly in the US, where it is widely accepted. But technically, the call to do is Mayday. It could cause the message to be misinterpreted, not the first time (e. g. Los Rodeos)
Was British World Airlines not British World Airways...
Was just about to say the same thing
"British Air Ferries"..
Is that like the Ice Capades here in the states?.. but in the sky?..
Love your videos! In this case I would have liked some more details, I believe you didn't mention the number of passengers on board and how many survived the crash (edit: oh, just read that this was a cargo flight), for instance. But keep them coming, these are full of fascinating information, like the pretty sophisticated systems that *did* exist on these mid-20th-century aircraft.
Th GO-HOT had a heating problem...how ironic....😔😔😔
The type name of the aircraft-viscount is pronounced Vi count.
The "s" is silent.
Thanks!!
I know this video is a year old and you've probably used the word "Viscount" before but I'm reasonably sure it's pronounced "V-eye-count" (the s is silent and the I is pronounced like a capital "I")
I am much more than reasonably sure. I am TOTALLY sure. Little error but it grated on me all the way through this excellent video.
British Aviation of the 20th Century? Well of course!
Amperes is current, not power.
I guess I just don’t understand a lot about how these things work. Shouldn’t pilots get all available training that might save them in an emergency before they get up into the air? Where is this magic checklist for every eventuality? Is it a book or binder? Do they have to locate it and find the appropriate page while trying no to panic? Why did they not think that the reason the ATC suggested the alternative airport was because it was closer? If they were able to head there, could they have landed more safely? If you know you are going to fly into some tricky weather, why would you not pay attention to those conditions and maybe be aware of potential problems before take off? So many avoidable errors. Hopefully the other pilot who survived learned from them all if he was able to continue his career.
Vy-Count!
This planes nose looks like a 747
Why is he calling it a Vis-count?