Grant... You're in FLORIDA... You ought to be able to find a dry dock somewhere that has a tug boat that you could scan. Think of the possibilities....
We will be showing that soon, have to set up some scanning dates (this means getting ahead on work LOL) but I have some facilities in mind, one is a VERY old church! Post scan, as long as you have scanning objects, like reflective balls and such, aligning should not be much of an issue. But we have not had any experience YET on running both at the same time, have been busy putting out fires since we got them in lol.
@@3DMusketeers great, I have heard of companies scanning generation plants or refineries and wonder on the following on work to change point cloud into something useful, I work in the IoT space and digital twin area and have not found easy options :)
@@3DMusketeers would be super cool if you could mount it on a giant cinelifter since instead of a big camera you could put the 2 pound scanner on it possibly
That is already planned! Thinking of trying to get a Revopoint Pop 2, I have a structure gen 1 as well. Trying to see if Shining 3D (einscan) wants to be involved in this too!
Thanks for explaining that.. It is a bit.. uncertain (sorry had to.) to me but it makes sense WHY they do it this way as it does spin. How much does that equate to at the full 110m range? It also has a high detail mode that brings back to a 50m range.
@@3DMusketeers You basically have a spherical coordinate system. There are the azimuth and mirror encoders for the vertical and horizontal angles and the laser for ranging. The laser has an overall uncertainty associated with it but it also has a noise factor based on the distance and color of the surface it is reflecting off. Darker surfaces will generate more noise than lighter ones. The sweet-spot for noise on that unit is likely between 4 and 10 meters. The noise levels will go crazy inside 2 meters. The lateral uncertainty can be calculated using uncertainty = distance x 25/3600 x 3.14159/180. So, ~13mm at 110m. Limiting range in the detailed mode is because of laser divergence. I believe that is a 3mm aperture and you get just over 1mm of beam growth per 10m distance. So you you are going to be at ~13mm spot size at the full 110m range. This is also why the 25 arc.sec encoders are chosen.
You seem to really know this unit, do you happen to have one/ have experience with one? These came as a bundle, where I have lots of Eva experience but only minimal on the Ray, any advice would be awesome! Wow so a bit over 0.5in at 110m I would say that is good enough!
@@3DMusketeers I have a lot of experience with Surphaser scanners. I have zero experience with the artec version of the Model 10 or Artec studio though.
I have multiple scans of myself from YEARS ago lol. Will I scan myself, maybe, but I dont know if this community is to be trusted with a model of me ha ha ha!
I would like to see a scanner shoot out. Scanners and software primarily for 3D printing or model generation for reference designing around. Great review thank you for the information.
Sweet! Thank you! Any particular scanners you want to see in the shootout?? In terms of ACCURATE reference data that is so nebulous, right. We have used scanners with 5 MICRON accuracy and for some, that is not enough lol. These are general purpose and should fit the bill for most jobs we have!
@@3DMusketeers I am researching and looking for scanning options. If I were closer to you I'd like to utilize your leasing option. I don't know enough about scanning to even answer your question about which ones to test and compare. I've had 2 jobs that required me to develop a new product that would interface with very complex geometry. It took quite some time to create the profile in a CAD system to then begin designing from. I looked at some scanners that were very expensive and some not so expensive. The range was vast as I'm sure the user experience would match the expense. I guess I don't have the experience to even know where to draw the line for what will satisfy my future needs. Something to grow into and not directly grow out of.
@@3DMusketeers Would you also touch base on the computer requirements for using the scanners you bring to your channel? I know some of them can be very power hungry for processing all the data.
The Artec is especially power hungry, we will be doing a rundown as to what you need to be successful. Artec has some things about it, but I am slightly curious to see what you can get away with.. not everyone has an extra 5k top spend on a PC. I certainly do not lol. Current computers: 10700k 1080ti 32gb of ram 3750H 1650-4gb 32gb ram 5700u Vega 7 iGPU 16gb ram May even bring back my OLD SCHOOL computer originally built to run my Eva back in the day: 4770k 770-4gb and 32gb ddr3 ram
There is a bit of a gap between the 5k and under and the 20k and over. It is kinda crazy, that is why we wanted to do this on RUclips rather than privately. I am hoping to get some Einscan ones soon as I think they tend to be a value option with good software now. I feel that pain though, not knowing what fits perfectly is a pain in the butt!
Grant... You're in FLORIDA... You ought to be able to find a dry dock somewhere that has a tug boat that you could scan. Think of the possibilities....
Tis the plan! :D
Would love to see how you use Ray to scan building/plant. What is the post-scan effort
We will be showing that soon, have to set up some scanning dates (this means getting ahead on work LOL) but I have some facilities in mind, one is a VERY old church! Post scan, as long as you have scanning objects, like reflective balls and such, aligning should not be much of an issue. But we have not had any experience YET on running both at the same time, have been busy putting out fires since we got them in lol.
@@3DMusketeers great, I have heard of companies scanning generation plants or refineries and wonder on the following on work to change point cloud into something useful, I work in the IoT space and digital twin area and have not found easy options :)
Oh man, yes! It is also huge to map out warehouses digitally and fine inefficiencies via the scanner. It is really cool!
@@3DMusketeers would be super cool if you could mount it on a giant cinelifter since instead of a big camera you could put the 2 pound scanner on it possibly
@@3DMusketeers Don't lie to us, there is no such thing as very old churches in Florida 😉
What about a video on using things that us ordinary mortals can afford for scanning, like the iPhone 13 Pro Max?
That is already planned! Thinking of trying to get a Revopoint Pop 2, I have a structure gen 1 as well. Trying to see if Shining 3D (einscan) wants to be involved in this too!
I'd love to see a shootout between $5K and under 3D scanners.
Me too! We just have to find the companies and convince them they should send us review units lol!
The 25 arc.sec encoder uncertainty results in ~1.8mm lateral uncertainty at the 15 meter range.
Thanks for explaining that.. It is a bit.. uncertain (sorry had to.) to me but it makes sense WHY they do it this way as it does spin. How much does that equate to at the full 110m range? It also has a high detail mode that brings back to a 50m range.
@@3DMusketeers You basically have a spherical coordinate system. There are the azimuth and mirror encoders for the vertical and horizontal angles and the laser for ranging. The laser has an overall uncertainty associated with it but it also has a noise factor based on the distance and color of the surface it is reflecting off. Darker surfaces will generate more noise than lighter ones. The sweet-spot for noise on that unit is likely between 4 and 10 meters. The noise levels will go crazy inside 2 meters. The lateral uncertainty can be calculated using uncertainty = distance x 25/3600 x 3.14159/180. So, ~13mm at 110m. Limiting range in the detailed mode is because of laser divergence. I believe that is a 3mm aperture and you get just over 1mm of beam growth per 10m distance. So you you are going to be at ~13mm spot size at the full 110m range. This is also why the 25 arc.sec encoders are chosen.
You seem to really know this unit, do you happen to have one/ have experience with one? These came as a bundle, where I have lots of Eva experience but only minimal on the Ray, any advice would be awesome!
Wow so a bit over 0.5in at 110m I would say that is good enough!
@@3DMusketeers I have a lot of experience with Surphaser scanners. I have zero experience with the artec version of the Model 10 or Artec studio though.
Ah ok, would love to talk to you to learn if you have some time! Shoot us an email?
As far as I am aware they are the same internals.
Are we going to see a 3D Grant STL file soon?
I have multiple scans of myself from YEARS ago lol. Will I scan myself, maybe, but I dont know if this community is to be trusted with a model of me ha ha ha!
Are you going to use the Ray to make a new Benchy model? LOL
OMG I really should.. I could scan a tugboat, but not in water.. You know, salt water and sensitive electronics...
I would like to see a scanner shoot out.
Scanners and software primarily for 3D printing or model generation for reference designing around.
Great review thank you for the information.
Sweet! Thank you! Any particular scanners you want to see in the shootout??
In terms of ACCURATE reference data that is so nebulous, right. We have used scanners with 5 MICRON accuracy and for some, that is not enough lol. These are general purpose and should fit the bill for most jobs we have!
@@3DMusketeers
I am researching and looking for scanning options. If I were closer to you I'd like to utilize your leasing option.
I don't know enough about scanning to even answer your question about which ones to test and compare.
I've had 2 jobs that required me to develop a new product that would interface with very complex geometry. It took quite some time to create the profile in a CAD system to then begin designing from.
I looked at some scanners that were very expensive and some not so expensive. The range was vast as I'm sure the user experience would match the expense.
I guess I don't have the experience to even know where to draw the line for what will satisfy my future needs. Something to grow into and not directly grow out of.
@@3DMusketeers
Would you also touch base on the computer requirements for using the scanners you bring to your channel?
I know some of them can be very power hungry for processing all the data.
The Artec is especially power hungry, we will be doing a rundown as to what you need to be successful. Artec has some things about it, but I am slightly curious to see what you can get away with.. not everyone has an extra 5k top spend on a PC. I certainly do not lol.
Current computers:
10700k 1080ti 32gb of ram
3750H 1650-4gb 32gb ram
5700u Vega 7 iGPU 16gb ram
May even bring back my OLD SCHOOL computer originally built to run my Eva back in the day: 4770k 770-4gb and 32gb ddr3 ram
There is a bit of a gap between the 5k and under and the 20k and over. It is kinda crazy, that is why we wanted to do this on RUclips rather than privately.
I am hoping to get some Einscan ones soon as I think they tend to be a value option with good software now. I feel that pain though, not knowing what fits perfectly is a pain in the butt!
I bet it's a puppy
Hopefully less maintenance! lol