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Wish I could use this both for the benefit and to help out the channel. Alas, I cannot as I am already an Audible member and have been for a few years... 😅 Wish these companies would offer promos that would benefit existing members as much as new ones though. Oh well. 🙃
I love his hesitation before moving to the next card. He was probably thinking “damn, this sends a misleading message of pack value”, but his integrity wouldn’t let him reshoot a different pack.
I originally got caught up in the hype and was thinking about buying a box. Then I stopped and looked through the full set list and realized I only wanted 2 cards: consecrated sphinx and concordant crossroads
I almost had to stop watching a lot of MTG content because it made me want to get a box. Just gonna pick up a handful of cards that I actually want and not gamble lol
I get that these 2X2 packs are more "concentrated" (double the rares) so they kind of count for two packs in some sense (a greedy WotC sense). but $70 is ridiculous
Expect that to continue until WoTC finds the upper limit for booster pack prices. Honestly, I think collector's boosters are a great idea to cater to whales while allowing them to reprint the normal versions at a lower price.
I mean, two years ago Double Masters VIP packs were preordering for $92 a booster ($370 a box). I'm honestly surprised 2x2 Collector Boosters are $65-70 right now instead of $100+...
I bought 4 single packs of collectors for around 306 and saved about 30 ish dollars with my 10% discount. Got some really nice cards. Won't be buying these very often though unless they go on sale like at Gamestop.
Ya know Prof, I was super hyped for this set. Ever since I saw how big double masters was, I was kicking myself for not buying any… to avoid that FOMO I reached out to every lgs I go to locally for prices. One lgs offered a deal that if I had enough bodies and desire for cards, and got 1-2 cases we could get an even better deal as a thanks for choosing them. 220 usd a draft box. Our preorder went all the way up to 19 boxes, before settling at 17 boxes amongst 10 friends. Well, on July 6, just two days before release, the store’s employee called to say the store manager/owner stepped in to say they would not honor the 220 USD per box price, and instead would only charge 400 USD per box, take it or leave it. I was so heartbroken and angry that the LGS would take advantage of the price spike and not honor their pre-sale deal they offered for us going only to them. I’ve now been in a scramble to know if I can get any other boxes elsewhere for a good price, and no one wants to budge from 350-400. To have the rug pulled out from under all 10 of us, had been such a blow. I just wanted to share this, because you hear about orders getting canceled, but I never figured I’d be someone who would have essentially the same thing happen, and I didn’t realize how much I would feel betrayed by an lgs I often go to.
I called the store today to ask for an audience with the manager to discuss what happened and why it was so abrupt… store manager has been selling the product allocated to me at 325 instead of holding it for me…
I'd probably post a review on Yelp or Facebook or wherever, then just never give this place business again. Any business that does this does not deserve their customers. I don't care how the price fluctuates, if they sold a pre-order at a particular price, then that's the price. If they don't want to DEAL with that kind of thing, then they should not be in the business of accepting preorders. Fuck 'em. Bad LGS is bad.
Maybe you and your friends missed a very crucial part of this whole thing. Buy singles. If you want to draft with your friends, then do it when Dominaria comes out and it isn't a huge rip off.
I drafted it, it was pretty good. I did not get any "cool" pulls, but... I did manage to pull a Glimpse the Unthinkable in my first pack and decided to go with Blue-Black mill for the draft. Went 2-1, but the one that I managed to win was through milling my opponent, it was a dream come true, totally worth it 10/10 for that game.
“Please do not throw away your parents hard earned money on a lottery ticket” when you realize after watching this channel for years you’re decades away from the target audience 😬
In this day and age, it's simple for kids to spend their parent's cash without the parents knowing. Cards are attached to electronic devices and parents get a $10,000 credit bill from kids chasing loot boxes. I think it was a good include because of the emerging danger of In Family Squandering. Yeah, it caught my attention, and made me realize it is a very important include for the accessibility of parent funds in the 21st century.
My LCG did a $250 pp collector booster draft. They got 4 people. I'm genuinely impressed. They also got three pods of the normal draft for double masters so it was a good day.
The LGs I go to didn't manage to get even a single pod, but they did sell a lot of boxes to 3 people total and I got a lot of the cards I want dirt cheap.
They needed to let go of the drafting ideal with a set like this Drafting it would be like fishing with caviar. Of course can't guarantee bangers, but $17 packs should have a floor experience with no rares under a dollar.
Then the 17$ pack will be 22$. The biggest mistake wizards made is removing MSRP. The people buying the product cant police anymore if some vendors are trying to price gauge. Now it’s possible.
@@WeeWooWaah there was plenty of price gouging before as well, the majority of vendors do it. I bought this set for the equivalent of $250 for a box. Try and find that price now.
@@gunfighter009 Some people really enjoy drafting new sets, me included. I think having set boosters as well as draft boosters is meant to address the issue you mentioned, so that the drafters can draft and the constructed players can open value. I know that means that the commons, uncommons, and some rares that are designed for each set may be more "boring", but there is a real and sizeable audience who enjoys drafting sets with those "boring" cards in them. The preferences and demands of constructed players and limited players do not always line up perfectly, but I think both groups deserve to get something out of each set.
My wife and I splurged and opened a “display” of collector boosters, and I opened a textured foil Emrakul, which was the first textured foil that had been opened in the store. It was so exciting that the LGS owner took a picture of my wife and I with the card to commemorate it.
I was able to attend a prerelease where the owner decided that it was gonna be a normal $30 for a draft of 3 packs. Pulled a borderless Mana Drain and had a very fun draft. If this set was priced around that I think it would be very fun. However, just as you stated, it isn't and therefore is outside of the range of both being fun and affordable.
I gave up on attending Drafts years ago, for similar reasons. Almost never is the experience financially worthwhile to me, and the cards that I get out of it are typically not very good. I'd rather just crack a booster box all by my lonesome, and build from there. It's more expensive that way (on average), but my collection definitely goes a lot further, and is competitively less frustrating, by a mile! That being said, I'm not buying this boxed set. $350.00 for a booster box is beyond the borderline of ridiculous!
I was seriously considering buying a box I can't afford just because of FOMO. Thanks for smacking some sense into me! I'll probably just draft it once and maybe buy one or two packs for the novelty, then just wait for singles to drop in price.
An employee at my LGS actually told me it might be smart investment to buy a box (or a case), wait 10 years for the price to go up, and sell it without opening it. He told me he did that with another box and it has gone up in value threefold. I know him, and he doesn't seem like the kind of person who would say that just to sell me a box if he didn't think it was true. I'm tempted, but I have decided against it (and anyway, if I did buy a box, I would want to crack it!)
Just checked TCG, and Imperial Seal has dropped to $120-ish. Dropped Force of Negation as well! Can't wait for the market to keep dipping over the next two weeks.
Try months. As the prices drop on singles, so will the sealed, and more people will be able to rip and sell causing multiple spikes and declines in price. It's a snake eating it's own tail.
I just swooped in and grabbed 2 Teferi’s and a Smothering Tithe for $63 total on TCG. I would have put $50 towards a draft of the set at a LGS, but I figured I’d just use that money and a little more to guarantee the cards I actually want at a reasonable price.
@@BakaGrappler incorrect. With a limited supply product, as more boxes are opened sealed value will only climb up with time. Very generally, increased openings will lead to greater singles supply but less sealed supply, and thus greater sealed value.
@@bmitchell922 Prices WILL dip, and then increase over the LONG TERM. After an initial dip, there will be mass purchases, causing a rise. Then after that rush, there will be another dip. Maybe there will only be two dips, maybe more. But THE PRODUCT ITSELF INCLUDING THE CARDS are going to have dips, then rises, and eventually, a slow increase in price of the sealed boxes until it's rarity makes the boxes more valuable than the contents. And, quite possibly, the prices on the Draft Boxes are already greater than the price of the contents after the initial Gold Rush for the set dies down. The Single Cards are going to see their prices go down significantly after the initial rush of FOMO Players snatch up what they want, and people keep ripping packs for what they are looking to resell. The Commons and Uncommons are all going to be dirt cheap because no matter how rarely printed they are, there are far fewer commons and uncommons in this set. Only Path to Exile may be treated like Solve the Equation was. And a large number of Legendary cards will see enormous price drops. I'm looking forward to snatching up a Kaalia, myself. Seal, Extortionist, Mana Vaalt, and a few others are going to remain super expensive because they have intentionally throttled printings. But for the most part, MANY of these cards will see downs, ups, more downs... and then creep up in price. Like MTG products ALWAYS do. Because people keep ripping packs for the endorphins.
Most hyped about: -Marchesa the Black Rose, Wasitora, and Mathas in the dominaria crowned legendary border! -Wasitora's cat dragon token with the M20 "borderless" token border
Unfortunaley, as fun as this set seems to open, it's absurdelly out of my financial reallity, so the best I'll do is get a pack or two, IF I do (which I probably won't). I only got one original Double Masters booster pack and regreted it right away. Thank you Prof for always bringing such down to earth videos with an excelent analysis.
It's not even out of my financial reality and I still wouldn't buy it. $70 for 1 pack? Ridiculous. I could spend that on an entire box of something else or another TCG.
Thank you for adding that timeline of when to buy singles! I really want to collect the borderless cards but there's no way I could justify spending that much money on the CHANCE of getting lucky and pulling what I want. Buying singles for this set for sure
As someone who "stupidly" started this game in 2011 and said "I want to collect all of the promos" (back when promos were a way more niche thing for PTQs and Judges) buying singles is the ONLY way I've been able to continue this endeavor now that every card each set comes in 3 or more different styles. What I used to only need 1 copy of for edh, I now have to get multiple copies of staples cuz ,this one's full art, that ones textured, this one is mystical archive, don't forget secret lair art... Moral of the story TLDR buying singles is the correct way to go 👍
I am a Limited junkie, so I ponyed up $40 to draft Double Masters. It was a very fun draft experience! The archetypes are complex and powerful, with a feeling closer to constructed play than most regular sets. There are some very fast aggro decks in the format, so you've got to make sure you're prepared to handle them. I played Grixis control and made second place in the single elimination draft rounds at my LGS. The price of the cards I got from drafting plus 3 prize packs (I split) was close to the $40 I paid, maybe $5-10 over. I was a little disappointed because some of the people at my table opened expensive rares while I did not, but watching Prof's video, I think I may have been lucky. I am tempted to draft again this Friday, but I'll have to consider the monetary factor: I broke even the last time, and that was by winning second place, which I don't usually do. It seems plausible that if I don't win any matches, I will be down $20 or more, and I will have to consider whether that is a price I would be willing to pay for the experience of drafting again. From a draft experience perspective, Double Masters draft was memorable and fun.
I’m a new player to magic, all my friends spent $300-500 on this and were super hyped. I Spent $120 buying 2 draft sets and one collector. I dunno I kind of regretted it, got maybe $40 worth of cards. So I’ll probably do just one pack from now on. What’s funny is I have $80 worth of singles on my wishlist that could actually improve my precon deck, and have been hesitant on ordering them. But the hype of my friends made me choose these instead lol. Lesson learned
My LGS has drafts of Double Masters on this weekend for £35 (around $42), so I am hyped for that and very thankful to them. It looks like a fun draft environment, and I'm crossing fingers for some good pulls! Yes, yes, don't buy lottery tickets, but I see this as more paying for an expensive movie ticket and getting a lottery ticket on the side - I'm guaranteed a fun few hours for the price of admission, and I get a chance at some cool rares.
The timeline impact was really helpful! Great to keep in mind when prices hit their lows last time. Hopefully the same thing happens again. I opened a collectors display and was fortunate enough to get it at 20% off at my LGS. It was a great couple of packs (discount or no) but had I paid full retail, they would have pretty much broken even (maybe $10+ of surplus value)... At the end of the day it's a gamble and a risk to open only for value. If you know what you want then buy singles.
Really glad I backtracked on my decision to buy boxes of this set. Yeah, I ‘could’ try to crack some awesome cards, or I could just value my money a bit better rather than gambling it away.
I bought a single box from my LGS for $315, including tax. My goal is to get it, crack it, and then turn it into a cube. The set by all accounts seems like a wonderful set to draft, and I think it would be a very fun game night for my friends and I to draft it or even play sealed
@@deandrewilson1413 commanders! That's gold. And with baldurs gate crashing, and the CL legendaries still fairly cheap, you can can get a lot of great options. Have a real Sanderson-Cube going
I'll just get the few singles I want (borderless commons and uncommons + the beautiful Chaos Warp) and call it a day. Would have loved to draft but it is too much, this set is bittersweet and that is an awful aftertaste to have as a consumer. I am saving money to draft Dominaria a whole lot.
One LGS by me is selling collector boxes at 280 and draft at 360. The drafting price is insane. Format is ok but the extremely high price makes me feel like I want to open something to make it worth it. If you’re chasing rares it seems like collector is where you want to go, but man does it feel bad to spend $70 on a pack.
Through CapitalOne shopping I could get a booster box from this set at less than $300 after discounts and rewards. I actually had it in my eBay cart when I stopped and asked, "Is it really worth it?" Decided to see what the prof had to say and his thoughts mirrored my own. While I would love to draw one of each of the 40ish cards that I am looking for and have a bunch of others to add to my collection, it just didn't seem worth the gamble. Thanks for the confirmation prof! That being said, this was fun to draft once.
Literally the first borderless imperial seal I've seen opened , I've watched like 30 or so videos on collectors box openings and every time it's the normal print, I swear that is probably more rare than a textured card no joke
Was really hyped about the set and want to buy a draft and a collector display. In the end decided to just buy the singles I need an even save some money and a lot of bulk. But it's still tempting 😂
I drafted DB 2022 last friday in my local store with 10 people ( in germany a retail pack costs about 13 euro and the draft was 35) and it was just a blast. almost every match, without mana flood/screw ofc, was fun and really exciting. Yes there were big break cards who won alone, but most of the time it was really fun because the average power level of the cards are so high. it was also very smart to reprint the eldrazi in the draft set because nobody can fathom the get 11 or 15 mana in a draft game.
I’d give anything to experience this set. It looks so good and enticing, I just can’t partake in this one. Damn you hasboro. They saw the dripping drag an rang it out for everything it’s worth. My store has them 380. Insanity.
@@trav3rsy yeah, did six drafts so far. $50x2 and $45x4. Drafted a total of around $250 in cards. And while this is very expensive, if I compare it to drafting standard sets the expected return is higher with this with a decent shot at making money. The two $50 drafts I made 120 in cards. Three of the $45 drafts I came out with $40 in each. Then the one dud of
I dont think it's an accident that baldur's gate was released at a normal price, for fewer cards, and with a lower value right before this. I expect this to be normalized: less wealthy players will buy more frequently the cheaper and less valuable products while the valuable and expensive products are eaten up by people with the funds - and notably - influencers. None of the cards in double masters are coming down far in price, or for long. The expensive cards will always be the proverbial carrot dangled in front of the budget players nose. This is an addiction to gambling game. Pay to win or proxy baby
It’s so wild. I’m looking at TCGPlayer and it doesn’t even really make sense for them to arbitrarily increase the price of sealed for this set. They could argue it’s to “maintain the value of the set” but the set already has top-end, one-per-case chase cards that would drive sales. And the product has a limited run like you said. The overpriced sealed is purely for cynical profit seeking.
I'm a relatively new player and I'm getting a box (at $275 thanks to my awesome LGS) and personally I feel like it's a great way for me to get some of those older cards and have a fun time opening packs with friends, I'm not really worried about making competitive decks at all so just opening packs and making decks out of whatever my collection is for tabletop magic is always fun
Can't blaim you. It is a disgusting product and it puts terrible anti consumer behaviour on full display. Wizards has no business selling expensive cards (with ridiculous profit margins) directly into the secondary market. This is a far cry from what Richard Garfield had in mind when he created the game. If the goal really was to make reprints more affordable: then they could have given you much more product for the money and lowered their profit margins to show some respect to their customers!
The massive reprint list that covers all the cards I missed out on when I quit magic makes it worth it for me. I also pre-orderd my boxes, so I got them for MSRP instead of the $350+ they're going for now. This is going ot be great to build up my collection for more jank decks.
Same thinking can be applied to the Reserve List. Wotc would only make more money if it would be abolished or if booster packs could be more affordable.
I bought 3 packs for about $50. Best pulls I got: 3 tokens worth about $2.50 each 1 full art lightning bolt 1 glimpse the unthinkable In all, I got about $16 worth of cards…
I was interested in buying a collector box until I saw it said 4 packs. That did it for me. I said this isn't the set for me to buy. Hopefully enough gets opened to bring down the prices of some good stuff.
Proxy, proxy, proxy! Also, "boxes" of boosters have been called displays for a good decade, if not longer (speaking as someone who's been ordering them for over a decade). I would presume this is, in part, because box is vague: inner cases and outer cases of items also ship in boxes.
Greetings from Canada Professor! Great analysis, I couldn't agree with you more! I am playing a draft tomorrow at my local game store and couldn't be more excited, like Christmas level excitement. Also purchased 6 boxes myself, BUT FOR DRAFT ONLY, as I run a draft event once a month, which in the case of this set will be once a year for the next few! Revisiting older Masters Sets is almost more enjoyable than the first time, like an aged scotch. Thanks for the content as always! Cheers.
either buy sealed product and dont open it to only sell it later or just buy singles from this set...honestly got good reprints in this one and im happy about that.
If draft boosters were $10-$12 like previous masters sets, I would absolutely draft them at my LGS like I did for Iconic Masters. But I just can’t pay $60 for draft in good conscience.
First of all, I'm french, sorry in advance for any spelling mistake I could make. As for me, I was so hyped by the box that I decided to buy two boxes at a price of 260€ a box, because there are so many beautiful cards to open. And it's so fun to open them with friends. So, as soon as I have my boxes, I'll go back to my hometown to open them with my friends. It's simple, but for me, these moments are priceless. Especially since I moved house. I'm not looking for specific cards, but for some of these, I'm gonna keep them, and for the others, I will sell them. And even if theses boxes aren't profitable, I will have a good time with my friend, it's all that matters. Thanks for your videos prof !
No If you already rich, you already have the cards you wanted. Noone else is rich enough to Draft with you Can just buy singles with alternate art Wizards reprint policy continues to be a disgrace
I appreciate your thorough break down of the numbers. One variable that would of been great to see would be the breakdown for boxes at the preordered prices.
As someone who can not afford to buy needed commander cards.. the fact that this set specifically has great reprints but is done in a way to stay expensive and not be affordable... its a swing and a miss for those of us needing cheaper staple cards. WOTC should have made these packs 3$ each and produced the largest print run they ever have made.. Just so that the cards can be nice and cheap for everyone.
Drafted it, took home Sensei`s diving top and borderless Ulamog. Not bad. Still thinking about buying a display, all the guys that did it took home more money that they have spent. (So probably the last display sitting at my local store is full of scrap) :D
I'm looking forward to getting some singles, some prices have fallen enough on certain cards I can finally stomach buying some, as a bit of splurge or a treat. On the other hand, I have a couple friends who are so disappointed and upset by the price of this set, that they feel like they have to give up on the game, they can't keep up with it anymore. It's a set that brings mixed feelings. Yay reprints! But also shame on wizards for making what I have to imagine is a not-insignificant set of magic players feel they aren't allowed to play anymore.
Great video I enjoy your honesty and past knowledge of sets! I hope to be able to buy some singles that drop in price soon or draft for a reasonable price around 35$ or 40$. I've never drafted a double masters set and this expensive product has got me disappointed in Wizards of the coast for not thinking of there customers.
I drafted this last week, my LGS was doing 40 dollar drafts. That day they opened easily 5 or 6 booster boxes to support the 34 players that sign up. I was the only person to get an Imp Seal. By that metric, you would need to open 5 boxes to get your money back. I'll just do draft whenever possible. Not worth it.
It’s almost useless to look at it at the per box scale. Not big enough sample size it’s too hard to tell. For example, when I drafted it last Friday my pod pulled 2 imperial seals out of the same box and they were the only ones pulled out of 48 players.
This set, in draft, reminds me so much of ultimate masters. Many of the same cards to make draft fun and exciting. All that said, go ahead and draft it at least once. Even if you don't get amazing pulls, the excitement of drafting and playing will leave you with a wholeheartedly great experience. And to piggyback on the professor's ancient advice, save your draft decks. I've still got my UB madness deck from ultimate masters. Loads of fun to rip it out and play.
I've drafted twice and bought a ton of boxes. The value is good and will hold or go up. Right now lot of flippers are just undercutting each other and prices are falling rapidly which is awesome because I'll buy specific singles I want as well. I'll break some boxes because I like cracking packs and packing cracks.
I love watching your videos bc the local store I go to did not explain masters well at all. They pretty much explained double masters was like a set booster box or a collectors box. Which as a utilitarian I couldn't care less about. So I had always disregarded double masters. Love the break down and explanation you give, gives me a reason to take another look at this product.
I find really interesting how imperial seal, in a single day, has already droped in price by $100, so yeah, we should wait like two more weeks before buying anything from this set
It's completely understandable that a card basically only played in Commander and already has cards that are the same if not better is dropping in price. The reason this card cost so much in the first place was just that it was not available. It's not comparable to something like manacrypt where there's not many other things that do that
Thank you so much for explaining the timeline of expected price drops. I'm trying to time getting my Wrenn & Six and Seasoned Pyromancer in the next few months.
20 minutes about double master 22? Hmm, i'm gonna bet gushing praise about the set itself without price taken into account, then a very different conversation about pricing. EDIT: Huh, much more critical than I expected. Good analysis Prof, can't wait for the booster box game, if you can afford it anyway lol
I opened only 1 pack of double masters after years that I don't buy cards, and I found a Phyrexian Altar. Now after seeing this video I don't feel like testing my luck anymore 🤣
I could only afford to buy 5 boosters packs as I'm starting up my own business and somehow the old gods were smiling on me as I opened an imperial seal and a warriors oath in the same pack
imperial Seal can already be had for $150. Only took 20 minutes from this video before crashing prices makes it slightly out of date. Buy singles and draft packs. You will have a better and more fun collection that way. Edit: Some are now available out there for $125.
I was really excited for some of the reprints in this set. So I went out and bought two packs, one for me and one for my brother. Was happily surprised when I found he had done the same for me! The pack he gave me had a Yahenni, the pack I gave him had a Cavern of Souls. Obviously happy for him, the kind of happiness you feel when you're watching others live your dreams of opening $60+ cards from packs while you get a Yahenni
Its not worth it to buy any set or boxes at all basically. Its only ever worth buying singles and even then just fucking proxy the stupid cards that cost too much for you. Wotc is a bad greedy company, nothing new here.
I ran two drafts at 35 and 40 respectively and both were super fun experiences. Seeing so many awesome staples and insane pulls and strategies really was fantastic. I saw someone pull a planar bridge and an emrakul and he made it his mission in life to get that dude onto the field. The guy next to me was trying to build the jankiest prowess deck you've ever seen with two lightning bolts and 3 swiftspears. Another guy in a different pod was running monoblack purely because he pulled a damnation and an imperial seal and by god he was gonna use them. Everyone was just having a good time with some iconic magic cards
I only got one draft in with Double Masters 2 and the price to get in really was 60 dollars. I only paid that to support my local game store and because I knew with the price tags it would be my only time interacting with it. As a draft set its fun but the price has me seeing red. JUST BUY SINGLES. I watched so many people open duds during the draft.
I had preordered this box, the first full box I’ve ever gotten, in hopes of building my collection, and pulled some good things that I actually needed for some decks that I run.
Bought 3 boxes and collector box. The draft boxes are for playing with my friends both limited and draft, which i am prizing 35 euros for the draft and 70 for limited with. The memories of enjoying a box together is the best thing in magic. 😊
I was pretty excited for this set and managed to pick up a box at my LGS for $300. Among the cards pulled were imperial seal and wrenn and six, plus several other value cards at $20+. I agree that the gamble on a single pack is bad, but as an aggregate over the set the value for opening seems to be there, especially if you're just holding cards for collection that will rise back to a single price you wouldn't want to pay later. The main disappointment I have with this set is the whales-only aspect. If you can put enough money in it will pay out, but if you can't spend much more than a weekly FNM buy-in it's simply out of budget, as are the vast majority of the reprint singles as well.
I bought one box. I’m excited to open it. I haven’t played in 20 years and got back into it when I heard about Commander. I don’t have any of the cards in this set so I’m happy to add to the collection and maybe get some gems while I’m at it
At this point I think the new new motto should be: Just proxy it! I still believe that there should be 5 tiers of each card. Lowest one should allow cheap deck for just playing. Higher tiers should be for collectors and those that want to bling out their decks. Maybe not the best comparison, but I think it holds some water: MtGO allowed me to play for few tix (and 5tix of that is from card loan program) EDH decks that I would've never bought in paper due to price. If it would mean everyone is running staples since they are cheap, just add points value for those OP cards (similarily to Canadian Highlander format).
Buying singles: x1 Damnation, x1 Teferi's protection, x1 Bloom Tender, x1 Elenda, The Dusk Rose, and x4 Thought Scour (alternate faerie art). Keep up the good work professor!
I grabbed a collector's thing and draft box. Ultimately happy with what I got. When I checked I got a little over my money back, but I realize it'll drop. But I got some stuff I kind of wanted along with the extra cards I want to start putting into a bit of a collection if I can ever get organized
Thankfully going to be able to draft this tonight. Very much looking forward to that and then hopefully being able to finally afford some cards I've been holding out on for a long time like Dockside, Bitterblossom, and Consecrated Sphinx
My lgs is so awesome, they sold me 2 draft boxes for $260 and $280 respectively. I attended their draft as well and easily made my money back on some lucky pulls that were great in limited. It feels great to draft with high-powered cards.
I'd like to see a breakdown grade system, especially for premium sets like this as well as the usual overall grade. While you always insist on buying singles and saving packs for draft, it would be great to view an assigned grade. Thanks for the content.
@18:10 Oh, that graphic in the bottom left telling everyone to Like, Comment, and Subscribe in the style of the Arena phase tracker is incredibly clever and whoever thought of that deserves some kudos. That's a real, good one there.
My playgroup got a draft box for 330$ from our LGS and we might have pulled 300$ worth of cards......still fun to pick out commons/uncommons one at a time. As we opened the packs, we choose one and pass the packs. We used sealed commander precon decks to play a game and the winner got first pick of the box of the money cards. Fun as hell way to split a box and worth it to us.
I haven't brought a pack in months, but made an exception here for nostalgia's sake by getting three - While one contained F O U R L A N D S which has to be the worse case scenario (foil City of Brass, the rare pillar from Ravnica, the one you always get and a bounce land) another pack had Emrakul and Smothering Tithe which made up for the price of all three.
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you actually CAN NOT get 4 mythics by design. they are getting in trouble for falsely advertising it
casually pulls a borderless imperial seal. currently going for $200. in a $70 pack.
Nice.
Wish I could use this both for the benefit and to help out the channel. Alas, I cannot as I am already an Audible member and have been for a few years... 😅 Wish these companies would offer promos that would benefit existing members as much as new ones though. Oh well. 🙃
I signed up for a $60 draft at a local game store in Austin, TX for 1pm today 7/9/22. I'll edit and update after with my experience.
Professor casually opening up a borderless Imperial Seal in his collecter booster.
IKR. like at least put some edit being like "Nice"
I love his hesitation before moving to the next card. He was probably thinking “damn, this sends a misleading message of pack value”, but his integrity wouldn’t let him reshoot a different pack.
Even more impressive is the miscut foil Seasoned Pyromancer. You can see the alignment dot in the top right corner. Very cool.
@@goblinspy I don't understand how their foils are so bad compared to other card games.
@@reubensandwichthe1st it would be nice to see the behind the scene of that pack
Lighting Bolt has a quote by Barrin, Tolarian Archmage. Unfortunately it's not "buy singles".
He went to Tolaria West.
@@cax1175 TCC kicks TWC’s butt every year in the Wizard Bowl.
Disregard commons. Acquire legacy foils.
LOL
@@krugdalug Is that the Strixhaven sport-thing?
I originally got caught up in the hype and was thinking about buying a box. Then I stopped and looked through the full set list and realized I only wanted 2 cards: consecrated sphinx and concordant crossroads
And they are both getting a ton of openings. Buy em when they hit the low and you'll be happier than if you opened sealed and didn't get either lol
I feel like I’m the only one who really likes the alt Consecrated Sphinx art
I almost had to stop watching a lot of MTG content because it made me want to get a box. Just gonna pick up a handful of cards that I actually want and not gamble lol
@@santiagoberkley920 I like it more than the og, but it's not my favorite from the set.
@@santiagoberkley920 i like it :)
It's insane to me that we've made it to a point where a brand new booster pack of cards can be sold for 70 dollars.
I get that these 2X2 packs are more "concentrated" (double the rares) so they kind of count for two packs in some sense (a greedy WotC sense). but $70 is ridiculous
Expect that to continue until WoTC finds the upper limit for booster pack prices. Honestly, I think collector's boosters are a great idea to cater to whales while allowing them to reprint the normal versions at a lower price.
I mean, two years ago Double Masters VIP packs were preordering for $92 a booster ($370 a box). I'm honestly surprised 2x2 Collector Boosters are $65-70 right now instead of $100+...
Thanks to the idiots that keep buying them. WotC knows people are dumb enough to waste their money.
I bought 4 single packs of collectors for around 306 and saved about 30 ish dollars with my 10% discount. Got some really nice cards. Won't be buying these very often though unless they go on sale like at Gamestop.
Ya know Prof, I was super hyped for this set. Ever since I saw how big double masters was, I was kicking myself for not buying any… to avoid that FOMO I reached out to every lgs I go to locally for prices. One lgs offered a deal that if I had enough bodies and desire for cards, and got 1-2 cases we could get an even better deal as a thanks for choosing them. 220 usd a draft box. Our preorder went all the way up to 19 boxes, before settling at 17 boxes amongst 10 friends. Well, on July 6, just two days before release, the store’s employee called to say the store manager/owner stepped in to say they would not honor the 220 USD per box price, and instead would only charge 400 USD per box, take it or leave it.
I was so heartbroken and angry that the LGS would take advantage of the price spike and not honor their pre-sale deal they offered for us going only to them. I’ve now been in a scramble to know if I can get any other boxes elsewhere for a good price, and no one wants to budge from 350-400.
To have the rug pulled out from under all 10 of us, had been such a blow. I just wanted to share this, because you hear about orders getting canceled, but I never figured I’d be someone who would have essentially the same thing happen, and I didn’t realize how much I would feel betrayed by an lgs I often go to.
Is this dick move even legal 😳?
That's just disgusting.
I called the store today to ask for an audience with the manager to discuss what happened and why it was so abrupt… store manager has been selling the product allocated to me at 325 instead of holding it for me…
I'd probably post a review on Yelp or Facebook or wherever, then just never give this place business again. Any business that does this does not deserve their customers. I don't care how the price fluctuates, if they sold a pre-order at a particular price, then that's the price. If they don't want to DEAL with that kind of thing, then they should not be in the business of accepting preorders.
Fuck 'em. Bad LGS is bad.
Maybe you and your friends missed a very crucial part of this whole thing. Buy singles. If you want to draft with your friends, then do it when Dominaria comes out and it isn't a huge rip off.
Simple. Never go to them again. Buy online.
I drafted it, it was pretty good. I did not get any "cool" pulls, but... I did manage to pull a Glimpse the Unthinkable in my first pack and decided to go with Blue-Black mill for the draft. Went 2-1, but the one that I managed to win was through milling my opponent, it was a dream come true, totally worth it 10/10 for that game.
This is precisely why I love draft
I just want one pack. That's it. I can't even buy a single pack :( prof, we should spend our $16 on a whiskey instead.
“Please do not throw away your parents hard earned money on a lottery ticket” when you realize after watching this channel for years you’re decades away from the target audience 😬
You're the one whose money is thrown away now! (me too)
I thought that was an odd choice as well, but I can't fault him for it.
In this day and age, it's simple for kids to spend their parent's cash without the parents knowing. Cards are attached to electronic devices and parents get a $10,000 credit bill from kids chasing loot boxes. I think it was a good include because of the emerging danger of In Family Squandering. Yeah, it caught my attention, and made me realize it is a very important include for the accessibility of parent funds in the 21st century.
Magic the Gathering the premiere card game for ages 13+
"I thought it was going to be a segway into instead buying the TCC Deckbox by Gamegenix. (Looking forward to getting mine.)"
My LCG did a $250 pp collector booster draft. They got 4 people. I'm genuinely impressed. They also got three pods of the normal draft for double masters so it was a good day.
I’ll be honest, the collector booster draft sounds terrible since it’s not made for draft. Wonder how the gameplay was
Everyone would just hold the most expensive shit, even if it's not playable. Same goes for regular draft too I think.
The LGs I go to didn't manage to get even a single pod, but they did sell a lot of boxes to 3 people total and I got a lot of the cards I want dirt cheap.
It was 4 draft pods in the end, the last one didn’t fire until after 7. Was a good draft though :)
@@joshholmes1372 thats why 2 cards when you open one for price/edh decks you might need one card for the draft gameplay
Wizards really found out how to literally print money, I dont know how people are paying this much for so little
Gambling on packs makes me release the big dopamine that makes me feel good
On Amazon I think the regular boosters (packs aka 15 cards) were up to almost $50
They needed to let go of the drafting ideal with a set like this Drafting it would be like fishing with caviar. Of course can't guarantee bangers, but $17 packs should have a floor experience with no rares under a dollar.
Then the 17$ pack will be 22$. The biggest mistake wizards made is removing MSRP. The people buying the product cant police anymore if some vendors are trying to price gauge. Now it’s possible.
@@WeeWooWaah there was plenty of price gouging before as well, the majority of vendors do it. I bought this set for the equivalent of $250 for a box. Try and find that price now.
Wizards needs to let go of the drafting ideal in general, it makes 2/3rds of every set deeply boring
@@gunfighter009 Some people really enjoy drafting new sets, me included. I think having set boosters as well as draft boosters is meant to address the issue you mentioned, so that the drafters can draft and the constructed players can open value. I know that means that the commons, uncommons, and some rares that are designed for each set may be more "boring", but there is a real and sizeable audience who enjoys drafting sets with those "boring" cards in them. The preferences and demands of constructed players and limited players do not always line up perfectly, but I think both groups deserve to get something out of each set.
My wife and I splurged and opened a “display” of collector boosters, and I opened a textured foil Emrakul, which was the first textured foil that had been opened in the store. It was so exciting that the LGS owner took a picture of my wife and I with the card to commemorate it.
So cool
I was able to attend a prerelease where the owner decided that it was gonna be a normal $30 for a draft of 3 packs. Pulled a borderless Mana Drain and had a very fun draft. If this set was priced around that I think it would be very fun. However, just as you stated, it isn't and therefore is outside of the range of both being fun and affordable.
I gave up on attending Drafts years ago, for similar reasons. Almost never is the experience financially worthwhile to me, and the cards that I get out of it are typically not very good. I'd rather just crack a booster box all by my lonesome, and build from there. It's more expensive that way (on average), but my collection definitely goes a lot further, and is competitively less frustrating, by a mile!
That being said, I'm not buying this boxed set. $350.00 for a booster box is beyond the borderline of ridiculous!
@@jacob4920 I think there's something that could really help you build and tune your decks while spending less money.
Buy. Singles. ;-)
I was seriously considering buying a box I can't afford just because of FOMO. Thanks for smacking some sense into me! I'll probably just draft it once and maybe buy one or two packs for the novelty, then just wait for singles to drop in price.
An employee at my LGS actually told me it might be smart investment to buy a box (or a case), wait 10 years for the price to go up, and sell it without opening it. He told me he did that with another box and it has gone up in value threefold. I know him, and he doesn't seem like the kind of person who would say that just to sell me a box if he didn't think it was true. I'm tempted, but I have decided against it (and anyway, if I did buy a box, I would want to crack it!)
Just checked TCG, and Imperial Seal has dropped to $120-ish. Dropped Force of Negation as well! Can't wait for the market to keep dipping over the next two weeks.
Try months. As the prices drop on singles, so will the sealed, and more people will be able to rip and sell causing multiple spikes and declines in price. It's a snake eating it's own tail.
I just swooped in and grabbed 2 Teferi’s and a Smothering Tithe for $63 total on TCG. I would have put $50 towards a draft of the set at a LGS, but I figured I’d just use that money and a little more to guarantee the cards I actually want at a reasonable price.
@@BakaGrappler incorrect. With a limited supply product, as more boxes are opened sealed value will only climb up with time. Very generally, increased openings will lead to greater singles supply but less sealed supply, and thus greater sealed value.
@@BakaGrappler look at original Double Masters for a great example of this
@@bmitchell922 Prices WILL dip, and then increase over the LONG TERM. After an initial dip, there will be mass purchases, causing a rise. Then after that rush, there will be another dip. Maybe there will only be two dips, maybe more. But THE PRODUCT ITSELF INCLUDING THE CARDS are going to have dips, then rises, and eventually, a slow increase in price of the sealed boxes until it's rarity makes the boxes more valuable than the contents. And, quite possibly, the prices on the Draft Boxes are already greater than the price of the contents after the initial Gold Rush for the set dies down.
The Single Cards are going to see their prices go down significantly after the initial rush of FOMO Players snatch up what they want, and people keep ripping packs for what they are looking to resell. The Commons and Uncommons are all going to be dirt cheap because no matter how rarely printed they are, there are far fewer commons and uncommons in this set. Only Path to Exile may be treated like Solve the Equation was. And a large number of Legendary cards will see enormous price drops. I'm looking forward to snatching up a Kaalia, myself. Seal, Extortionist, Mana Vaalt, and a few others are going to remain super expensive because they have intentionally throttled printings. But for the most part, MANY of these cards will see downs, ups, more downs... and then creep up in price. Like MTG products ALWAYS do. Because people keep ripping packs for the endorphins.
Things that are cheaper than a box of Double Masters include photo printers, card stock, paper cutters, and sleeves.
Dude for real lol
MPC proxies are even cheaper than that and they look and feel like real cards
Might i suggest Perusing other avenues of Creating?
Facts. Get you some photoshop too.
Sounds like some people missed out on the original prices. 🥸
Love your videos prof. You're always so direct & straightforward & give us great information.
I mean, you can find some amazing stuff in this set, like sensei's divining top! Or... Teneb, the harvester...
I pulled both.. in the same pack.. 🥲
Me 2, that's crazy
Most hyped about:
-Marchesa the Black Rose, Wasitora, and Mathas in the dominaria crowned legendary border!
-Wasitora's cat dragon token with the M20 "borderless" token border
Unfortunaley, as fun as this set seems to open, it's absurdelly out of my financial reallity, so the best I'll do is get a pack or two, IF I do (which I probably won't). I only got one original Double Masters booster pack and regreted it right away. Thank you Prof for always bringing such down to earth videos with an excelent analysis.
I'm just gonna get singles of the cards I don't have. Too expensive to leave to chance
It's not even out of my financial reality and I still wouldn't buy it. $70 for 1 pack? Ridiculous. I could spend that on an entire box of something else or another TCG.
Thank you for adding that timeline of when to buy singles! I really want to collect the borderless cards but there's no way I could justify spending that much money on the CHANCE of getting lucky and pulling what I want. Buying singles for this set for sure
As someone who "stupidly" started this game in 2011 and said "I want to collect all of the promos" (back when promos were a way more niche thing for PTQs and Judges) buying singles is the ONLY way I've been able to continue this endeavor now that every card each set comes in 3 or more different styles. What I used to only need 1 copy of for edh, I now have to get multiple copies of staples cuz ,this one's full art, that ones textured, this one is mystical archive, don't forget secret lair art...
Moral of the story TLDR buying singles is the correct way to go 👍
I am a Limited junkie, so I ponyed up $40 to draft Double Masters. It was a very fun draft experience! The archetypes are complex and powerful, with a feeling closer to constructed play than most regular sets. There are some very fast aggro decks in the format, so you've got to make sure you're prepared to handle them. I played Grixis control and made second place in the single elimination draft rounds at my LGS. The price of the cards I got from drafting plus 3 prize packs (I split) was close to the $40 I paid, maybe $5-10 over. I was a little disappointed because some of the people at my table opened expensive rares while I did not, but watching Prof's video, I think I may have been lucky. I am tempted to draft again this Friday, but I'll have to consider the monetary factor: I broke even the last time, and that was by winning second place, which I don't usually do. It seems plausible that if I don't win any matches, I will be down $20 or more, and I will have to consider whether that is a price I would be willing to pay for the experience of drafting again. From a draft experience perspective, Double Masters draft was memorable and fun.
I did get to draft this set in the prerelease weekend. Such a good draft set, but it is prohibitively expensive to do more than once.
I’m a new player to magic, all my friends spent $300-500 on this and were super hyped. I Spent $120 buying 2 draft sets and one collector. I dunno I kind of regretted it, got maybe $40 worth of cards. So I’ll probably do just one pack from now on. What’s funny is I have $80 worth of singles on my wishlist that could actually improve my precon deck, and have been hesitant on ordering them. But the hype of my friends made me choose these instead lol. Lesson learned
My LGS has drafts of Double Masters on this weekend for £35 (around $42), so I am hyped for that and very thankful to them. It looks like a fun draft environment, and I'm crossing fingers for some good pulls! Yes, yes, don't buy lottery tickets, but I see this as more paying for an expensive movie ticket and getting a lottery ticket on the side - I'm guaranteed a fun few hours for the price of admission, and I get a chance at some cool rares.
Y'all should all buy and open as many boxes as you can..... so that I can get cheaper singles :D
Most of the product I’ve bought is going to stay in storage.
you are a finance-aware person. But magic is full of people addicted to cracking packs, so good for you, and good for us buying singles.
The timeline impact was really helpful! Great to keep in mind when prices hit their lows last time. Hopefully the same thing happens again.
I opened a collectors display and was fortunate enough to get it at 20% off at my LGS. It was a great couple of packs (discount or no) but had I paid full retail, they would have pretty much broken even (maybe $10+ of surplus value)... At the end of the day it's a gamble and a risk to open only for value. If you know what you want then buy singles.
Really glad I backtracked on my decision to buy boxes of this set.
Yeah, I ‘could’ try to crack some awesome cards, or I could just value my money a bit better rather than gambling it away.
I bought a single box from my LGS for $315, including tax. My goal is to get it, crack it, and then turn it into a cube. The set by all accounts seems like a wonderful set to draft, and I think it would be a very fun game night for my friends and I to draft it or even play sealed
That sounds like a great idea tbh
Doing the exact same. Got some great value and commanders to help build up my cube
@@deandrewilson1413 commanders! That's gold. And with baldurs gate crashing, and the CL legendaries still fairly cheap, you can can get a lot of great options.
Have a real Sanderson-Cube going
I was thinking the same thing. Would you do it again for 350 (including tax)?
When you’re the first view, it really makes you wonder what you’re doing with your time.
Summertime, and the livin's easy
Wait for the next Prof video or playing Magic. There's so many options to choose from!
You are first to get your lecture finished duhhh, we all gotta get our degrees!
I'll just get the few singles I want (borderless commons and uncommons + the beautiful Chaos Warp) and call it a day. Would have loved to draft but it is too much, this set is bittersweet and that is an awful aftertaste to have as a consumer. I am saving money to draft Dominaria a whole lot.
One LGS by me is selling collector boxes at 280 and draft at 360. The drafting price is insane. Format is ok but the extremely high price makes me feel like I want to open something to make it worth it. If you’re chasing rares it seems like collector is where you want to go, but man does it feel bad to spend $70 on a pack.
Through CapitalOne shopping I could get a booster box from this set at less than $300 after discounts and rewards. I actually had it in my eBay cart when I stopped and asked, "Is it really worth it?" Decided to see what the prof had to say and his thoughts mirrored my own. While I would love to draw one of each of the 40ish cards that I am looking for and have a bunch of others to add to my collection, it just didn't seem worth the gamble.
Thanks for the confirmation prof! That being said, this was fun to draft once.
Literally the first borderless imperial seal I've seen opened , I've watched like 30 or so videos on collectors box openings and every time it's the normal print, I swear that is probably more rare than a textured card no joke
My friend and I are splitting one last box before I move away forever… 🥺
Is it just me or would a “draft” masters be really fun. I know it’s essentially a cube but if wizards really put their mind to it it would be great
I'll buy singles, as I always do. Nice to see some EDH staples like Oracle of Mul Daya drop so much in price.
Was really hyped about the set and want to buy a draft and a collector display. In the end decided to just buy the singles I need an even save some money and a lot of bulk.
But it's still tempting 😂
I drafted DB 2022 last friday in my local store with 10 people ( in germany a retail pack costs about 13 euro and the draft was 35) and it was just a blast. almost every match, without mana flood/screw ofc, was fun and really exciting. Yes there were big break cards who won alone, but most of the time it was really fun because the average power level of the cards are so high. it was also very smart to reprint the eldrazi in the draft set because nobody can fathom the get 11 or 15 mana in a draft game.
I’d give anything to experience this set. It looks so good and enticing, I just can’t partake in this one. Damn you hasboro. They saw the dripping drag an rang it out for everything it’s worth. My store has them 380. Insanity.
Ugh, that sucks. I called around and found mine for $300.
@@michaedove3562 even still, I get it it’s loaded but damn, some of us are still broke fcks who wanna draft 😂
My lgs has a box at 400 and I'm seriously tempted to get it but I just can't justify that
@@trav3rsy yeah, did six drafts so far. $50x2 and $45x4. Drafted a total of around $250 in cards. And while this is very expensive, if I compare it to drafting standard sets the expected return is higher with this with a decent shot at making money. The two $50 drafts I made 120 in cards. Three of the $45 drafts I came out with $40 in each. Then the one dud of
I dont think it's an accident that baldur's gate was released at a normal price, for fewer cards, and with a lower value right before this. I expect this to be normalized: less wealthy players will buy more frequently the cheaper and less valuable products while the valuable and expensive products are eaten up by people with the funds - and notably - influencers. None of the cards in double masters are coming down far in price, or for long. The expensive cards will always be the proverbial carrot dangled in front of the budget players nose. This is an addiction to gambling game. Pay to win or proxy baby
It’s so wild. I’m looking at TCGPlayer and it doesn’t even really make sense for them to arbitrarily increase the price of sealed for this set. They could argue it’s to “maintain the value of the set” but the set already has top-end, one-per-case chase cards that would drive sales. And the product has a limited run like you said. The overpriced sealed is purely for cynical profit seeking.
Pappa Hasbro said so
It's because lgss can
Most of the print run is now in the hands of private owners who want to sell it for more than they paid
I'm a relatively new player and I'm getting a box (at $275 thanks to my awesome LGS) and personally I feel like it's a great way for me to get some of those older cards and have a fun time opening packs with friends, I'm not really worried about making competitive decks at all so just opening packs and making decks out of whatever my collection is for tabletop magic is always fun
Even though boxes have NOW dropped further in price, this product is where I drew the line. I’m done with WOTC and Magic for the time being.
bbbbbbuuuyyyyyy sinnngglllesss
byeeeeeeee
Can't blaim you. It is a disgusting product and it puts terrible anti consumer behaviour on full display. Wizards has no business selling expensive cards (with ridiculous profit margins) directly into the secondary market. This is a far cry from what Richard Garfield had in mind when he created the game. If the goal really was to make reprints more affordable: then they could have given you much more product for the money and lowered their profit margins to show some respect to their customers!
Just buy singles
The massive reprint list that covers all the cards I missed out on when I quit magic makes it worth it for me. I also pre-orderd my boxes, so I got them for MSRP instead of the $350+ they're going for now. This is going ot be great to build up my collection for more jank decks.
I still don’t get why it’s okay to keep charging this much for collector boosters, it’s not like wizards makes money on the secondary market values
Same thinking can be applied to the Reserve List. Wotc would only make more money if it would be abolished or if booster packs could be more affordable.
unless...
I prefer to have 4 pack with 3/4 good stuff value than 12 packs with 10 bad pack
Half the price and double the print run please.
@Sleepy Rick but the thing is it’s not, masterpieces were way more exclusive, fancy full art fools of garbage rares are
Nothing
Super useful video, thanks so much for the breakdown!
I bought 3 packs for about $50. Best pulls I got:
3 tokens worth about $2.50 each
1 full art lightning bolt
1 glimpse the unthinkable
In all, I got about $16 worth of cards…
This channel is severely underrated
Thank you!
people love this channel and you're still right
Underrated? xD Besides kenobi and commandzone hes the largest creator in the scene iirc
Gotta love Prof giving us tips on when to buy singles at their lowest, always looking out for us not getting ripped off
I was interested in buying a collector box until I saw it said 4 packs. That did it for me. I said this isn't the set for me to buy. Hopefully enough gets opened to bring down the prices of some good stuff.
Hopefully enough gets *printed* to bring prices down.
Dominaria will bring a lot of good cards and nostalgia. Save up for that
I don't play magic any more but I like watching these just for the formatting of the video. Some how really satisfying haha
Proxy, proxy, proxy!
Also, "boxes" of boosters have been called displays for a good decade, if not longer (speaking as someone who's been ordering them for over a decade). I would presume this is, in part, because box is vague: inner cases and outer cases of items also ship in boxes.
Greetings from Canada Professor!
Great analysis, I couldn't agree with you more!
I am playing a draft tomorrow at my local game store and couldn't be more excited, like Christmas level excitement.
Also purchased 6 boxes myself, BUT FOR DRAFT ONLY, as I run a draft event once a month, which in the case of this set will be once a year for the next few!
Revisiting older Masters Sets is almost more enjoyable than the first time, like an aged scotch.
Thanks for the content as always! Cheers.
either buy sealed product and dont open it to only sell it later or just buy singles from this set...honestly got good reprints in this one and im happy about that.
Yay reprints! Though all I want to get my hands on is that bitterblossom 😍 it’s singles for me!
If draft boosters were $10-$12 like previous masters sets, I would absolutely draft them at my LGS like I did for Iconic Masters. But I just can’t pay $60 for draft in good conscience.
First of all, I'm french, sorry in advance for any spelling mistake I could make.
As for me, I was so hyped by the box that I decided to buy two boxes at a price of 260€ a box, because there are so many beautiful cards to open. And it's so fun to open them with friends. So, as soon as I have my boxes, I'll go back to my hometown to open them with my friends. It's simple, but for me, these moments are priceless. Especially since I moved house.
I'm not looking for specific cards, but for some of these, I'm gonna keep them, and for the others, I will sell them. And even if theses boxes aren't profitable, I will have a good time with my friend, it's all that matters.
Thanks for your videos prof !
To be fair 160€ per box is a great price. I'd have happily grabbed a pair of boxes at that price. Good luck on your pulls!
@@jameshartsfield8117 My bad it was 260€, not 160€ ahah ! It would be so damn cool at that price indeed. It's still better than 300€ !
@@mtglincrow ah, too bad. Still, that's pretty good price. Some shops here are going for $350+ 🫤
No
If you already rich, you already have the cards you wanted.
Noone else is rich enough to Draft with you
Can just buy singles with alternate art
Wizards reprint policy continues to be a disgrace
I appreciate your thorough break down of the numbers. One variable that would of been great to see would be the breakdown for boxes at the preordered prices.
As someone who can not afford to buy needed commander cards.. the fact that this set specifically has great reprints but is done in a way to stay expensive and not be affordable... its a swing and a miss for those of us needing cheaper staple cards. WOTC should have made these packs 3$ each and produced the largest print run they ever have made.. Just so that the cards can be nice and cheap for everyone.
Drafted it, took home Sensei`s diving top and borderless Ulamog. Not bad. Still thinking about buying a display, all the guys that did it took home more money that they have spent. (So probably the last display sitting at my local store is full of scrap) :D
I'm looking forward to getting some singles, some prices have fallen enough on certain cards I can finally stomach buying some, as a bit of splurge or a treat.
On the other hand, I have a couple friends who are so disappointed and upset by the price of this set, that they feel like they have to give up on the game, they can't keep up with it anymore.
It's a set that brings mixed feelings. Yay reprints! But also shame on wizards for making what I have to imagine is a not-insignificant set of magic players feel they aren't allowed to play anymore.
Great video I enjoy your honesty and past knowledge of sets! I hope to be able to buy some singles that drop in price soon or draft for a reasonable price around 35$ or 40$. I've never drafted a double masters set and this expensive product has got me disappointed in Wizards of the coast for not thinking of there customers.
I drafted this last week, my LGS was doing 40 dollar drafts. That day they opened easily 5 or 6 booster boxes to support the 34 players that sign up. I was the only person to get an Imp Seal. By that metric, you would need to open 5 boxes to get your money back. I'll just do draft whenever possible. Not worth it.
It’s almost useless to look at it at the per box scale. Not big enough sample size it’s too hard to tell. For example, when I drafted it last Friday my pod pulled 2 imperial seals out of the same box and they were the only ones pulled out of 48 players.
Thankfully, that small sample size is not a measure of the rest of the world.
This set, in draft, reminds me so much of ultimate masters. Many of the same cards to make draft fun and exciting.
All that said, go ahead and draft it at least once. Even if you don't get amazing pulls, the excitement of drafting and playing will leave you with a wholeheartedly great experience.
And to piggyback on the professor's ancient advice, save your draft decks. I've still got my UB madness deck from ultimate masters. Loads of fun to rip it out and play.
I've drafted twice and bought a ton of boxes. The value is good and will hold or go up. Right now lot of flippers are just undercutting each other and prices are falling rapidly which is awesome because I'll buy specific singles I want as well. I'll break some boxes because I like cracking packs and packing cracks.
I love watching your videos bc the local store I go to did not explain masters well at all. They pretty much explained double masters was like a set booster box or a collectors box. Which as a utilitarian I couldn't care less about. So I had always disregarded double masters.
Love the break down and explanation you give, gives me a reason to take another look at this product.
I find really interesting how imperial seal, in a single day, has already droped in price by $100, so yeah, we should wait like two more weeks before buying anything from this set
yeah prolly a month tbh they are flooding the market already
It's completely understandable that a card basically only played in Commander and already has cards that are the same if not better is dropping in price. The reason this card cost so much in the first place was just that it was not available. It's not comparable to something like manacrypt where there's not many other things that do that
Thank you so much for explaining the timeline of expected price drops. I'm trying to time getting my Wrenn & Six and Seasoned Pyromancer in the next few months.
20 minutes about double master 22? Hmm, i'm gonna bet gushing praise about the set itself without price taken into account, then a very different conversation about pricing.
EDIT: Huh, much more critical than I expected. Good analysis Prof, can't wait for the booster box game, if you can afford it anyway lol
I opened only 1 pack of double masters after years that I don't buy cards, and I found a Phyrexian Altar.
Now after seeing this video I don't feel like testing my luck anymore 🤣
I could only afford to buy 5 boosters packs as I'm starting up my own business and somehow the old gods were smiling on me as I opened an imperial seal and a warriors oath in the same pack
Very nice, I pulled borderless mana vault and phyrexian altar in my 5 packs
@@timdose72 tbh I wasn't even hunting for the seal I really wanted an allosaurus shepherd but ill certainly take it
Pretty new to the channel but this is hands down the best set review I've ever seen! Thanks Prof!
imperial Seal can already be had for $150. Only took 20 minutes from this video before crashing prices makes it slightly out of date. Buy singles and draft packs. You will have a better and more fun collection that way.
Edit: Some are now available out there for $125.
I was really excited for some of the reprints in this set. So I went out and bought two packs, one for me and one for my brother. Was happily surprised when I found he had done the same for me! The pack he gave me had a Yahenni, the pack I gave him had a Cavern of Souls. Obviously happy for him, the kind of happiness you feel when you're watching others live your dreams of opening $60+ cards from packs while you get a Yahenni
Its not worth it to buy any set or boxes at all basically. Its only ever worth buying singles and even then just fucking proxy the stupid cards that cost too much for you.
Wotc is a bad greedy company, nothing new here.
I ran two drafts at 35 and 40 respectively and both were super fun experiences. Seeing so many awesome staples and insane pulls and strategies really was fantastic. I saw someone pull a planar bridge and an emrakul and he made it his mission in life to get that dude onto the field. The guy next to me was trying to build the jankiest prowess deck you've ever seen with two lightning bolts and 3 swiftspears. Another guy in a different pod was running monoblack purely because he pulled a damnation and an imperial seal and by god he was gonna use them. Everyone was just having a good time with some iconic magic cards
I only got one draft in with Double Masters 2 and the price to get in really was 60 dollars. I only paid that to support my local game store and because I knew with the price tags it would be my only time interacting with it. As a draft set its fun but the price has me seeing red. JUST BUY SINGLES. I watched so many people open duds during the draft.
I had preordered this box, the first full box I’ve ever gotten, in hopes of building my collection, and pulled some good things that I actually needed for some decks that I run.
Bought 3 boxes and collector box. The draft boxes are for playing with my friends both limited and draft, which i am prizing 35 euros for the draft and 70 for limited with. The memories of enjoying a box together is the best thing in magic. 😊
Off topic, but as someone who also plays yugioh, we lost a great man yesterday, Kazuki Takahashi, the creator.
I was pretty excited for this set and managed to pick up a box at my LGS for $300. Among the cards pulled were imperial seal and wrenn and six, plus several other value cards at $20+. I agree that the gamble on a single pack is bad, but as an aggregate over the set the value for opening seems to be there, especially if you're just holding cards for collection that will rise back to a single price you wouldn't want to pay later.
The main disappointment I have with this set is the whales-only aspect. If you can put enough money in it will pay out, but if you can't spend much more than a weekly FNM buy-in it's simply out of budget, as are the vast majority of the reprint singles as well.
Thank you prof, I always appreciate you’re analysis! I’m buying singles and maybe a few packs just for fun.
I bought one box. I’m excited to open it. I haven’t played in 20 years and got back into it when I heard about Commander. I don’t have any of the cards in this set so I’m happy to add to the collection and maybe get some gems while I’m at it
At this point I think the new new motto should be: Just proxy it!
I still believe that there should be 5 tiers of each card. Lowest one should allow cheap deck for just playing. Higher tiers should be for collectors and those that want to bling out their decks.
Maybe not the best comparison, but I think it holds some water: MtGO allowed me to play for few tix (and 5tix of that is from card loan program) EDH decks that I would've never bought in paper due to price.
If it would mean everyone is running staples since they are cheap, just add points value for those OP cards (similarily to Canadian Highlander format).
Buying singles: x1 Damnation, x1 Teferi's protection, x1 Bloom Tender, x1 Elenda, The Dusk Rose, and x4 Thought Scour (alternate faerie art). Keep up the good work professor!
I grabbed a collector's thing and draft box. Ultimately happy with what I got. When I checked I got a little over my money back, but I realize it'll drop. But I got some stuff I kind of wanted along with the extra cards I want to start putting into a bit of a collection if I can ever get organized
That music shift with the collector booster transition is “master” class
The background music at 5:58 is giving me so much Legend of Zelda the Wind Waker nostalgia 🥹
Thankfully going to be able to draft this tonight. Very much looking forward to that and then hopefully being able to finally afford some cards I've been holding out on for a long time like Dockside, Bitterblossom, and Consecrated Sphinx
My lgs is so awesome, they sold me 2 draft boxes for $260 and $280 respectively. I attended their draft as well and easily made my money back on some lucky pulls that were great in limited. It feels great to draft with high-powered cards.
I'd like to see a breakdown grade system, especially for premium sets like this as well as the usual overall grade. While you always insist on buying singles and saving packs for draft, it would be great to view an assigned grade. Thanks for the content.
I’ve drafted this set a ton on MTGO and wooooooow it’s really fun. I would definitely recommend it to everyone
@18:10 Oh, that graphic in the bottom left telling everyone to Like, Comment, and Subscribe in the style of the Arena phase tracker is incredibly clever and whoever thought of that deserves some kudos. That's a real, good one there.
Amazing points made in this video thanks for making me not want to gamble like i initially thought i was lol
My playgroup got a draft box for 330$ from our LGS and we might have pulled 300$ worth of cards......still fun to pick out commons/uncommons one at a time. As we opened the packs, we choose one and pass the packs. We used sealed commander precon decks to play a game and the winner got first pick of the box of the money cards. Fun as hell way to split a box and worth it to us.
In Australia, I got draft boxes at $257 US ($354 AUD) and collector boxes at $190 US ($272 AUD). Loaded up on both, but especially the collectors.
Already bought a few collector's packs and drafted once, best draft experience I have had yet
I haven't brought a pack in months, but made an exception here for nostalgia's sake by getting three - While one contained F O U R L A N D S which has to be the worse case scenario (foil City of Brass, the rare pillar from Ravnica, the one you always get and a bounce land) another pack had Emrakul and Smothering Tithe which made up for the price of all three.