Hey prof! Would you be interested in selling that legends deck? I’m a misprint collector and would love to purchase that deck with the mostly missing stamps
Hey Professor, could you have your editors go over the included graphical sentences to double check for spelling errors? I'm thinking that "BETS OVERALL DECK COMSTRUCTION" might be a bit wonky. This is the only criticism to be found from this long time lurker/watcher.
Hello professor, I’m new to magic. I have religiously watched your videos since the start of august. Thank you for making the process of starting something new very welcoming.
Hes the reason I went for a quiver! Love this channel you choose amazingly! Welcome to the magic community hope you find it as amazingly as the rest of us have for years
It feels like the exclusion of pain lands in the Painbow precon is a massive flavor fail. Especially since they were all reprinted in Dominaria United.
WotC never puts lands reprinted in the main set into the commander precons. They did the same thing with CLB. The lands are a huge selling point for the main set so they don’t want them to be easily available through precons.
@@aidanchutkan8662 It's worse than that. WotC almost never puts in *any* decent lands in precons. Sometimes you get lucky and a precon might contain one actually good reprint land in it, but that's rare. The more colors the precon has, the worse its manabase usually is because of this.
I really like that you did game play analysis before financial this time, it helps reinforce the point that these are decks to play first, then bargains
Bought the painbow and it runs beautifully. The mana ramp runs very well for what you need. The creatures heavily reward having multicolors on the feild, and the triggers all mesh and play well together
I like that Painbow seems more like a canvas to build on than something that's pushing you towards a specific strategy and wincon. Also like that it's a 5 color commander that is not just generic value.
I can honestly say, you are the person I watch if I need a unbiased opinion on Mtg products and accessories. I want to thank you for always keeping it real as they say. I look forward to more videos to keep my knowledge up to date
I have a confession.....I can't stop watching your videos. Recently have gotten back into MTG in the last month (last played was with my dad back in the late 90s ) been playing with a co worker and now my son (8yrs old) wants to play lol MTG coming full circle. Thank you for all the work you put into your videos, they are very informative and entertaining.
Prof, I think you were too kind on the manabase with painbow. Yes it's an improvement over ur-dragon but the gap between this and even a budget 5 color EDH Mana base is huge. No reason enemy pain lands (or ally but apparently that's too expensive for wotc to reprint) and/or filter lands or heck even a cycle of kaldheim snow duals (same synergy as tango lands with slow fetches) could have been included instead of so many basics. And keep in mind this is a very pip intensive deck with a proper wubrg commander that costs wubrg and a bunch of high costed multicolor legendaries. I have a feeling there's gonna be a lot of players unhappy with this out of the box and basically bricking each turn and not having enough pips to get out all their stuff.
That's fair. In the end, remember that your grade and evaluation is the one that counts. Sometimes by hearing my thoughts and disagreeing with them, you get a better idea and understanding for what your own evaluation of the product is.
@@donaldmartocello351 I thought maybe I had an unpopular opinion as well for Painbow. Both perspectives make sense though, I like where you're coming from.
I mean... there IS one reason, though the validity of it is debatable: that gold expansion symbol. New players aren't likely to be excited by a deck where all the rares are lands, unless in the future we get a sweet "Oops, All Lands" commander. 5+ rare, mana fixing lands is already WAY above curve for what they usually do, and it works well with the budget common and uncommon lands. Maybe adding the common fetches from New Capenna wouldn't have been the worst idea though... A slow mana base is better than one that doesn't work at all.
I see were you are coming from, but personally I have no problem being a bit slower in a 5c deck. I have the advantage of having access to all colors in return. Also, in some playgroups it is even not as good, to be hyper efficient in the beginning as you can be seen as the main thread very fast. I totally get the point of a perfect mana base in an 1:1 environment, but in multiplayer, a lot of different things count, like politics, threat assesment and in general having 3 opponents. Usually, in my playgroups, if a player is a bit slower (e.g. he missed some land drops or something like that), he will not get targeted that much, as other players are seen as the threat. Also I am an advocate of playing more board wipes in such a deck, as they can catch you back up. Overall, I feel that optimized mana bases are not as important as peope think they are in commander (besides very competitive playgroups and cedh of course).
I Always love how the professor is so open about advertising. He makes it clear that is a sponsorship, keeps it short, and offers alternatives to whatever he promotes. It is really appreciated to be trated with respect as consumers, and not forced into season 19 of raid shadow legends Keep up the great content prof
the mana bases have been improving in the commander precons. the comparison to the abysmal Ur-Dragon precon mana base is apt and telling. we haven't seen guildgates since the Kaldheim precons I'm not in the market for either deck, but the reprints are pretty decent. the ones in the $1-5 range aren't big money, but generally they maintain that kind of price because they're universally useful
Funfact I bought painbow and before modifying it I played about 4 games with it. Other decks were made by other players I don't remember whole deck setup but two of them were creature based win decks and last one was a combo deck. I won two of those games by simply using Jared's 1st and second ability and other 5c creatures especially two-headed hellkite and maelstrom angel. I used single removals to get rid of problematic creatures or permanents. It was usually like this. Put krosan verge on 2nd turn (both my wins happened this way) crack it at third turn. Put Jared on 4th turn put a kavu as blocker. At 5th turn I often had 6 mana so I played two headed hellkite pump it with Jared's -3 along with kavu suddenly a flying meance 10/10 attacks someone I draw two cards. Someone killed the hellkite? get it back with Jared's ulti rinse and repeat. Other cards kept people in check long enough for me to kill everyone with Maelstrom Angel or two-headed hellkite. Iridian maelstrom and time wipe let me kept my biggest creature on board and getting it bigger while cleaning everyone else's board. After modifying the deck I might even lowered its efficiency honestly I might be just keep it as is only to replace the lands with triones and new capenna ones.
My recommendation for a slight mana base upgrade (still budget though) if you want to run less tap lands is to run the 5 panoramas and 5 odyssey filter lands and take out the tri lands. The panoramas and slow fetches are both great stand ins for budget players to replace with true fetch lands when they are ready and shocklands for the tango lands and odyssey filters. These 20 cards (panoramas, slow fetches, tango lands and odyssey lands) have been my go to budget mana base for 5 color decks for a couple years now and are a nice balance between fixing and tempo before upgrading to true fetches and shocks
I like how Painbow doesn’t include Sol Ring. It shows that the precons are willing to move away from shoving staples down our throats, and trying to tune back how many copies of it are in circulation.
As a pretty experienced Magic player at this point, I’m super excited about the Painbow concept. Excellent start for a deck that you can totally make your own. 🤩
Thank you for the comprehensive breakdown. I am a new player and have just joined a weekly Commander playgroup. I was interested in getting one of the new decks but wasn't certain what was a better choice. Thanks to the information in this video I will get Legend's Legacy in an effort to understand the game mechanics better in an effort to build up to the more complex 5 color Painbow deck in the future since that seems interesting.
Since I got back into magic last year, your channel has been my go to for magic content and updates on new sets. As a legacy and commander player I thank you for your hard work and everything you do to keep paper magic going.
Hi Prof, thank you for putting a bunch of effort into this video about how these decks play. as for me, I tend to buy precons to play with my dad out of the box. and it always sucks to put money into products that don't end up providing fun games. Thanks!
One video I would really like to see is something like a "Which 5 commander decks from the last 5 (or whatever) years are best suited for beginners?" Which ones offer the best bang for you buck, are somewhat competitive withoput being too complex for new players? I am currently watching all your recent commander reviews trying to figure out which deck to get and really appreciate your work! For a new player your channel is pure gold!
As soon as you said "you can't" include shocks, etc. in a pre-con I tensed up. "You just can't" is about what I expect is the official reasoning from WotC.
@@barongeoffrey75 Why aren't shock lands in every commander pre con? Or the recently reprinted pain lands? Adarkar Wastes was a $15 easy prior to reprints in a set. Yavimaya Coast was reprinted into the ground in pre cons. Explain to me why Talisman of Progress is so valuable that it can't possibly be reprinted in any of the recent Azorius decks, but the other talismans do get reprinted? You can't. It doesn't make sense and WotC is a crap company with crap policies.
Just bought both of these to add to my precon collection. Out of all the recent precons that have come out in the last 2 years, the ones from Innistrad Midnight Hunt and Crimson Vow have been the most beginner friendly I have seen.
I've spent years playing Yugioh and after seeing the Professor's videos, I've since switched to magic, where I've only had the most fun I've ever experienced playing a TCG. Thanks Prof! As the wise Tiny Tina once said, "You dah real choco chip!"
Welcome to mtg family and I agree. I played yugioh and pokemon tcg for years but since I got introduced to mtg in 2015 have not went back to any other tcg. Its just so much well rounded.
I like the two commander decks, I think they should stick with that instead of 4-5 every single set. Add more value and power into the 2 decks instead of spreading it out.
With the Ur-Dragon being one of my first commander decks. I GREATLY appreciated you bringing up the painbow manabase. I had to learn a lot about construction to fix it very early on, where this is reasonable fixing!
I bought Legends Legacy and am a new to magic this side of 1998. I used to play when I was much younger and have just returned. There was no commander style of play back when I was young, lol. Can't wait to get back into the game.
I can definitely say that is a beautiful land base, I bought the UR DRAGON deck as my first commander deck, and it is finally nearing complete, just got my first Taiga now just the other 9 duals to go! Thanks for the wonderful and informative videos professor!
The professor is very much so someone I would totally want to have a nice cup of tea with. The professor is just a saint of niceness to the community of players in the magic the gathering realm love ya Brian keep on trucking as the grateful dead would say
Prof just casually opening an extended art Shivan Devastator in one of his sample boosters lol I've been excited for Painbow since it was first announced and I'll be picking it up (and upgrading it) as soon as possible, but not at a markup! Thanks Professor!
The Mardu (White, Black and Red) deck is probably good for newer players to commander since you have a good amount of future potential Legends to helm other commander decks
Hello professor. Did some playtesting with painbow. I felt the slow mana really hurt the deck significantly without edits. After fixing the mana base it performed significantly better.
I purchased a copy of each one for my friend and myself to play out of the box when he comes to visit. Though already I'm trying to get together a lot of legendary permanents as well as five color cards so we can have fun upgrading them afterward.
Great video as usual, prof! Ordered a pair of these from my LGS and I look forward to sleeving up and playing them, as well as deciding whether to upgrade them.
How many takes did it take to catch that deck perfectly while looking into the camera? Pretty slick lol. Also, I think the Painbow deck does a pretty good job with its mana base. It's not super powerful considering how many come into play tapped, BUT, if it was too powerful it just wouldn't be available anywhere because people would be buying it up to either scalp or strip the lands out of it.
Great Content Prof. ;as usual you give a great overview and are straightforward and to the point. I've actually been working on a new 5 color deck for a while and your review of Painbow's mana base really helped me out. Many Thanks 🙂
Painbow's better once you make some you tweeks to it. I added Child of Alara, Esika, and made Jodah the Unifier my commander for starters (while keeping Jared in the deck). I removed the two Ikoria mutation legends since their addition was really odd and also added Jegantha, the Wellspring as a companion by removing Time Wipe and added the Legacy Weapon as well. I also added the World Tree and the NC triomes. I did make some more modifications, but I can't remember off the top of my head and the deck's at home, but the deck is a lot of fun once you make your own tweaks to it (as is the norm with these precons).
@@SammySlamma92 you don't need demonic tutor. Sidisi works. There's also profane tutor. You only need to find a way to get Underworld Breach into your hand, and flicker to hand or grave(unmarked grave does this, as does milling it off of dihada). You can still make powerful deck with some affordable upgrades.
The new decks cost 5 dollars more than all the other decks do. Over here all the pre-cons had a fixed price at approximately 55 dollars. Remember when you'd get one 60-dollar game for your birthday or Christmas? Maybe even two? Now we're bombarded with product that is super tempting to buy, at least every other month. I guess I shouldn't complain that they're doing their job well. I want the cards! It's just annoying that it's so expensive. Along with food and power getting more expensive (no politics; that's just a fact), it sours the mood a little to see the already luxury product getting just a little bit more expensive as well. The best solution is to buy singles when necessary. If they print a whole deck and I want enough cards from it, then whatever. I just wish they'd cut the price of the decks in half. I bet they'd still make a huge profit. Sadly a huge profit isn't enough. It's gotta be the _biggest_ . I'm sorry I'm complaining so much. It's a neat game, and I'm having fun playing it still! It's just... like the Prof said; "it is okay to love something, but still be critical of it". Also, they can technically ask any price they want. It is completely within my power to not buy... or to buy. I just wish I could have my cake and eat it too. In fact, what saddens me is that it hasn't always been like that; we've had less expensive commander decks in the past. Thanks for the vid, Prof!
As someone who plays two Prismatic bridge, one ur dragon and one progenitus commander decks I can confirm Painbow's manabase is godlike and the deck itself is a lot of fun.
Wow, casual full art shivan destoryer. Good stuff though, been wanting to pick up painbow since i've never tried any decks with more than two colors (relatively new player haha). Do like what I'm seeing though, so might grab both of them when the prices drop later.
I love how I haven't played mtg in like 3 years, and never got super into it (tho I always want to), but I *love* your vids 😂 Can't wait for my Academic XL 😁
I like Jensen better as the commander in the Painbow deck. Easier to keep on the field and there are 10 all color spells that can trigger the Serra effect. Nearly forgot to add...the two mutate creatures would be the first two I'd replace. Throw in Garth One-Eye, Maelstrom Archangel, Esika, Najeela, etc. there are a lot of creatures that could work very well.
I'm new to the game. I built an ur dragon deck as my first deck haha! Yea....it was pricey and I didn't learn anything. I do enjoy blowing up the table with my dragons though lol!!
I agree regarding the WUBRG prof! I played the ur-dragon since it was released and it was hard to upgrade it to fully operational. The new one has a good manabase, though a confusing strategy unless tweaked properly.
Hey prof thanks for the effort you put into things like this. The rare independent voice💪🏻🥰 Also I haven’t checked out the discord community yet but that sounds amazing!!❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I actually found the slow-fetch + tango land combination to work less optimally than for the Ur-Dragon deck. It looked nicer on paper, but worked out worse in practice. That's because the tango lands enter tapped more frequently than in a three-colour deck, given the low count of basic lands in Painbow. And since the fetchland already enters tapped, you still end up with two tapped lands for two turns in a row. It looks like a mimic of fetchland + shockland, but it doesn't work in practice. I'd rather have lands in there that tap for all colours, even if they're as slow as Rupture Spire / Transguild Promenade / Gateway Plaza / Archway Commons, as well as Path of Ancestry. They also could have reprinted Reflecting Pool, City of Brass, and/or Mana Confluence, instead of stuffing all the Mirage fetchies + already over-printed tango lands in here.
Great as always. I specifically enjoy your focus on mana bases in precons, and am likewise awed that Wizards finally printed a good one. I do wish you would add a caveat to your financial section when doing day 1 analyses of precons. The price of precon exclusive new cards is always inflated during the presale and first weekend period. The fact that most of the cards of value from both decks are the new precon exclusives means the decks will lose a significant amount of value in the coming weeks. These cards that are over ten dollars on presale and day 1 are very likely to drop by half or more in just a week or two unless they turn out to be completely busted. Basically what I'm saying is that someone could order a deck based on your breakdown, thinking they're getting a handful of 10+ dollar cards, but those cards could easily be only 2-3 dollars each by the time the deck arrives.
Haven't played in 20+ years, need a new deck, heading to the LGS today to check out the wares!!!!! Going to look at precon decks, that's where I left off in 1997 with Tempest precons.
Neither deck particularly enthralls me. More often than not I end up buying the pre-cons for staples and reprints to make other decks. Love your discord, thank you.
This is like my Ur Dragon deck cut in half. A 5 color deck on one side, and a legend tribal deck on the other. I shouldn't be excited just by the use of the original Planeshift art for Terminate but it did add more desire for me to get these decks.
I would like to point out that the cost of these precons on MtGO is 29.99, which in conjunction with the fact they sold the Commander Legends and Kaldheim precons from late 2020/early 2021 for 19.99 suggests 29.99 as an MSRP. Of course, without an official MSRP, well...
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Hey prof! Would you be interested in selling that legends deck? I’m a misprint collector and would love to purchase that deck with the mostly missing stamps
In italian "Painbow" is called "Dolore Prismatico", i think the itlian name it's a lot cooler
Hey Professor, could you have your editors go over the included graphical sentences to double check for spelling errors? I'm thinking that "BETS OVERALL DECK COMSTRUCTION" might be a bit wonky. This is the only criticism to be found from this long time lurker/watcher.
I noticed when you opened the Dihada deck a lot of the rares had no holo stamp at the bottom or it was partially removed, what’s up with that?
Print error
Hello professor, I’m new to magic. I have religiously watched your videos since the start of august. Thank you for making the process of starting something new very welcoming.
You are very welcome
Hes the reason I went for a quiver! Love this channel you choose amazingly! Welcome to the magic community hope you find it as amazingly as the rest of us have for years
I started playing in August too, if you want to play spell table with a similar skip level player let me know
Cheers and welcome!
Thank you!!! 👍🏻😁😁😁
It feels like the exclusion of pain lands in the Painbow precon is a massive flavor fail. Especially since they were all reprinted in Dominaria United.
WotC never puts lands reprinted in the main set into the commander precons. They did the same thing with CLB. The lands are a huge selling point for the main set so they don’t want them to be easily available through precons.
They gotta sell the new product somehow
@@aidanchutkan8662 Caves of Kolios is in the Dihada precon
I agree but they unfortunately don’t have the basic land types, so I understand why
@@aidanchutkan8662 It's worse than that. WotC almost never puts in *any* decent lands in precons. Sometimes you get lucky and a precon might contain one actually good reprint land in it, but that's rare. The more colors the precon has, the worse its manabase usually is because of this.
I really like that you did game play analysis before financial this time, it helps reinforce the point that these are decks to play first, then bargains
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Bought the painbow and it runs beautifully.
The mana ramp runs very well for what you need. The creatures heavily reward having multicolors on the feild, and the triggers all mesh and play well together
Total cost of singles: 10:49
Non-bulk cost of singles: 11:40
Final Conclusion: 13:30
Hope this helps make a snap decision in the store!
Never had an original experience lol
I like that Painbow seems more like a canvas to build on than something that's pushing you towards a specific strategy and wincon. Also like that it's a 5 color commander that is not just generic value.
Remembering when the standard set commander decks were only $20… Seems like such a dream ago
yeah they stop that real quick. Only 4 decks had that price point.
@@leress 6 if i remeber correctly. Don't forget the commander legends ones. Not exactly standard set but also same price.
@@oom-3262 Right, I couldn't remember if it was 4 or 6 I just knew it was very low.
@@leress which was a shame. They were fantastic valie for the cost. Every single one.
I got the rogue precon from Zendikar a while after it came out, definitely a really good pick up as a newer player
I can honestly say, you are the person I watch if I need a unbiased opinion on Mtg products and accessories. I want to thank you for always keeping it real as they say. I look forward to more videos to keep my knowledge up to date
13:02 I'm glad to hear that Painbow has the "Bets overall deck comstruction", that's exactly what I'm looking or in a precon Commander deck
I was hoping this comment was in the feed somewhere!! Luv me sum Gud comstruction, I is a collage student.
I have a confession.....I can't stop watching your videos. Recently have gotten back into MTG in the last month (last played was with my dad back in the late 90s ) been playing with a co worker and now my son (8yrs old) wants to play lol MTG coming full circle. Thank you for all the work you put into your videos, they are very informative and entertaining.
Prof, I think you were too kind on the manabase with painbow. Yes it's an improvement over ur-dragon but the gap between this and even a budget 5 color EDH Mana base is huge. No reason enemy pain lands (or ally but apparently that's too expensive for wotc to reprint) and/or filter lands or heck even a cycle of kaldheim snow duals (same synergy as tango lands with slow fetches) could have been included instead of so many basics. And keep in mind this is a very pip intensive deck with a proper wubrg commander that costs wubrg and a bunch of high costed multicolor legendaries. I have a feeling there's gonna be a lot of players unhappy with this out of the box and basically bricking each turn and not having enough pips to get out all their stuff.
That's fair. In the end, remember that your grade and evaluation is the one that counts. Sometimes by hearing my thoughts and disagreeing with them, you get a better idea and understanding for what your own evaluation of the product is.
@@TolarianCommunityCollege From one academic to another, I salute you in promoting thoughtful discourse. :)
@@donaldmartocello351 I thought maybe I had an unpopular opinion as well for Painbow. Both perspectives make sense though, I like where you're coming from.
I mean... there IS one reason, though the validity of it is debatable: that gold expansion symbol. New players aren't likely to be excited by a deck where all the rares are lands, unless in the future we get a sweet "Oops, All Lands" commander. 5+ rare, mana fixing lands is already WAY above curve for what they usually do, and it works well with the budget common and uncommon lands. Maybe adding the common fetches from New Capenna wouldn't have been the worst idea though... A slow mana base is better than one that doesn't work at all.
I see were you are coming from, but personally I have no problem being a bit slower in a 5c deck. I have the advantage of having access to all colors in return. Also, in some playgroups it is even not as good, to be hyper efficient in the beginning as you can be seen as the main thread very fast. I totally get the point of a perfect mana base in an 1:1 environment, but in multiplayer, a lot of different things count, like politics, threat assesment and in general having 3 opponents.
Usually, in my playgroups, if a player is a bit slower (e.g. he missed some land drops or something like that), he will not get targeted that much, as other players are seen as the threat. Also I am an advocate of playing more board wipes in such a deck, as they can catch you back up.
Overall, I feel that optimized mana bases are not as important as peope think they are in commander (besides very competitive playgroups and cedh of course).
I Always love how the professor is so open about advertising. He makes it clear that is a sponsorship, keeps it short, and offers alternatives to whatever he promotes. It is really appreciated to be trated with respect as consumers, and not forced into season 19 of raid shadow legends
Keep up the great content prof
It would have been sick if we had gotten a phyrexian themed precon
GOOD NEWS
this aged well
the mana bases have been improving in the commander precons. the comparison to the abysmal Ur-Dragon precon mana base is apt and telling. we haven't seen guildgates since the Kaldheim precons
I'm not in the market for either deck, but the reprints are pretty decent. the ones in the $1-5 range aren't big money, but generally they maintain that kind of price because they're universally useful
Funfact I bought painbow and before modifying it I played about 4 games with it. Other decks were made by other players I don't remember whole deck setup but two of them were creature based win decks and last one was a combo deck. I won two of those games by simply using Jared's 1st and second ability and other 5c creatures especially two-headed hellkite and maelstrom angel. I used single removals to get rid of problematic creatures or permanents. It was usually like this. Put krosan verge on 2nd turn (both my wins happened this way) crack it at third turn. Put Jared on 4th turn put a kavu as blocker. At 5th turn I often had 6 mana so I played two headed hellkite pump it with Jared's -3 along with kavu suddenly a flying meance 10/10 attacks someone I draw two cards. Someone killed the hellkite? get it back with Jared's ulti rinse and repeat. Other cards kept people in check long enough for me to kill everyone with Maelstrom Angel or two-headed hellkite. Iridian maelstrom and time wipe let me kept my biggest creature on board and getting it bigger while cleaning everyone else's board. After modifying the deck I might even lowered its efficiency honestly I might be just keep it as is only to replace the lands with triones and new capenna ones.
@@SammySlamma92 At least Carthalion is a cool enough last name to balance it out a little 😂
My recommendation for a slight mana base upgrade (still budget though) if you want to run less tap lands is to run the 5 panoramas and 5 odyssey filter lands and take out the tri lands. The panoramas and slow fetches are both great stand ins for budget players to replace with true fetch lands when they are ready and shocklands for the tango lands and odyssey filters. These 20 cards (panoramas, slow fetches, tango lands and odyssey lands) have been my go to budget mana base for 5 color decks for a couple years now and are a nice balance between fixing and tempo before upgrading to true fetches and shocks
Another print quality issue:
The rare stamp on a lot of the Mardu deck cards looked rubbed-off
Since we have documentation that it was that way when it was opened, those cards may be worth a bit more on the misprint market.
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Yo prof could actually get a good price for alot of these
@@jasmineashton3537 that's not the point. The point is that Wizards is clearly trying to up their profit margins by cutting out the QA department
my painbow deck came with 5 extra copies of cards and was missing a swamp.
That Legend’s Legacy is calling to me so many new commander options inside. I’m pumped.
I love that you look at not only the financial value but also the enjoyment and performance in play.
I like how Painbow doesn’t include Sol Ring. It shows that the precons are willing to move away from shoving staples down our throats, and trying to tune back how many copies of it are in circulation.
As a pretty experienced Magic player at this point, I’m super excited about the Painbow concept. Excellent start for a deck that you can totally make your own. 🤩
I clicked this so fast! Ive been waiting for this video!
Thank you for the comprehensive breakdown. I am a new player and have just joined a weekly Commander playgroup. I was interested in getting one of the new decks but wasn't certain what was a better choice. Thanks to the information in this video I will get Legend's Legacy in an effort to understand the game mechanics better in an effort to build up to the more complex 5 color Painbow deck in the future since that seems interesting.
Sincerely appreciate this review. This felt like a return to form, with product reviews.
This is my favorite review of painbow. I love the deck and i only bought it after this video. Keep it up prof!
The other reviews ive seen for painbow focused on the fact that so many of the lands were entering tapped. Thanks for going more in depth
Since I got back into magic last year, your channel has been my go to for magic content and updates on new sets. As a legacy and commander player I thank you for your hard work and everything you do to keep paper magic going.
Well written, I love how you brought attention to the mana base and appreciated painbow's construction
Hi Prof, thank you for putting a bunch of effort into this video about how these decks play. as for me, I tend to buy precons to play with my dad out of the box. and it always sucks to put money into products that don't end up providing fun games. Thanks!
One video I would really like to see is something like a "Which 5 commander decks from the last 5 (or whatever) years are best suited for beginners?" Which ones offer the best bang for you buck, are somewhat competitive withoput being too complex for new players?
I am currently watching all your recent commander reviews trying to figure out which deck to get and really appreciate your work! For a new player your channel is pure gold!
Glad to hear that the 5 color deck isn’t just a pile of gates.
This is very informative, and should be acknowledged. It's easy so many trust this channel.
As soon as you said "you can't" include shocks, etc. in a pre-con I tensed up. "You just can't" is about what I expect is the official reasoning from WotC.
They put a stomping ground in the Korvold brawl deck. And it was about 20e.
@@barongeoffrey75 Why aren't shock lands in every commander pre con? Or the recently reprinted pain lands? Adarkar Wastes was a $15 easy prior to reprints in a set. Yavimaya Coast was reprinted into the ground in pre cons. Explain to me why Talisman of Progress is so valuable that it can't possibly be reprinted in any of the recent Azorius decks, but the other talismans do get reprinted? You can't. It doesn't make sense and WotC is a crap company with crap policies.
Just ordered both of them for a good price over in germany! Really excited to get my hands on them! :)
Nice! I was not expecting such a good opinion regarding the Painbow deck. I am a happy camper because I opened mine yesterday!
13:01 "Bets overall deck comstruction" made me chuckle. But another great video, Prof!
Haven't seen one of these reviews in a while, is good to see the professor back on this type of videos
Damn Prof, that transition of the box falling from above screen into your hands at 0:30 was sick!
Just bought both of these to add to my precon collection. Out of all the recent precons that have come out in the last 2 years, the ones from Innistrad Midnight Hunt and Crimson Vow have been the most beginner friendly I have seen.
I've spent years playing Yugioh and after seeing the Professor's videos, I've since switched to magic, where I've only had the most fun I've ever experienced playing a TCG. Thanks Prof! As the wise Tiny Tina once said, "You dah real choco chip!"
Welcome to mtg family and I agree. I played yugioh and pokemon tcg for years but since I got introduced to mtg in 2015 have not went back to any other tcg. Its just so much well rounded.
Also cool intro, someone either tossed it perfectly or you threw it up perfectly and caught it without looking 👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽 smooth like buttery butter
Hey Prof! Love and appreciate everything you do!
I like the two commander decks, I think they should stick with that instead of 4-5 every single set. Add more value and power into the 2 decks instead of spreading it out.
I always buy the precons. They get some sweet first timers randomly. I like those only printed once for ten years type cards
Good job on the 5C manabase analysis, it's really nice. As is this background music, it gives me wild associations.
With the Ur-Dragon being one of my first commander decks. I GREATLY appreciated you bringing up the painbow manabase. I had to learn a lot about construction to fix it very early on, where this is reasonable fixing!
I bought Legends Legacy and am a new to magic this side of 1998. I used to play when I was much younger and have just returned. There was no commander style of play back when I was young, lol. Can't wait to get back into the game.
Another pretty obvious thing about Painbow is the Jared is the first WUBRG planeswalker
(Not counting the silver border Urza)
I can definitely say that is a beautiful land base, I bought the UR DRAGON deck as my first commander deck, and it is finally nearing complete, just got my first Taiga now just the other 9 duals to go! Thanks for the wonderful and informative videos professor!
Prof, you are awesome, don't stop being you.
People say slivers and dragons are the top tier 5-color tribes, but now with Painbow we can have the best 5-color tribe to ever exist... Kavu!
The way you opened the video talking about the lands was actually great, it made me want to go get the Painbow deck lol
The professor is very much so someone I would totally want to have a nice cup of tea with. The professor is just a saint of niceness to the community of players in the magic the gathering realm love ya Brian keep on trucking as the grateful dead would say
Awesome video! I 100% agree with your recommendation to new players versus old players. They are cool decks!
I bought the painbow deck and pulled a jodah the unifier. Instantly bought the legends precon and jodah unified them. Worked decently well.
Prof just casually opening an extended art Shivan Devastator in one of his sample boosters lol
I've been excited for Painbow since it was first announced and I'll be picking it up (and upgrading it) as soon as possible, but not at a markup! Thanks Professor!
The Mardu (White, Black and Red) deck is probably good for newer players to commander since you have a good amount of future potential Legends to helm other commander decks
Hello professor. Did some playtesting with painbow. I felt the slow mana really hurt the deck significantly without edits. After fixing the mana base it performed significantly better.
They’re £45 here, which is nuts honestly. Can’t justify it really anymore, I’ll wait for singles.
Price will crash in a couple months, like most of these nowadays
$70 in Australia ☠️
If you're in the UK, they're £39.45 on amazon, still insane but a bit cheaper.
The value you’re getting out of each deck is far more than 45 bucks.
37 or 40€ un France
I purchased a copy of each one for my friend and myself to play out of the box when he comes to visit.
Though already I'm trying to get together a lot of legendary permanents as well as five color cards so we can have fun upgrading them afterward.
Great video as usual, prof! Ordered a pair of these from my LGS and I look forward to sleeving up and playing them, as well as deciding whether to upgrade them.
How many takes did it take to catch that deck perfectly while looking into the camera? Pretty slick lol.
Also, I think the Painbow deck does a pretty good job with its mana base. It's not super powerful considering how many come into play tapped, BUT, if it was too powerful it just wouldn't be available anywhere because people would be buying it up to either scalp or strip the lands out of it.
I just picked up the Legends’ Legacy from my LGS. Can’t wait to play it!!
Oh wow I drafted Blackblade Reforged and Traxos in a Dominaria draft back in 2018, nostalgia to see them in the same deck!
Great Content Prof. ;as usual you give a great overview and are straightforward and to the point. I've actually been working on a new 5 color deck for a while and your review of Painbow's mana base really helped me out. Many Thanks 🙂
Painbow's better once you make some you tweeks to it. I added Child of Alara, Esika, and made Jodah the Unifier my commander for starters (while keeping Jared in the deck). I removed the two Ikoria mutation legends since their addition was really odd and also added Jegantha, the Wellspring as a companion by removing Time Wipe and added the Legacy Weapon as well. I also added the World Tree and the NC triomes. I did make some more modifications, but I can't remember off the top of my head and the deck's at home, but the deck is a lot of fun once you make your own tweaks to it (as is the norm with these precons).
Dihada's deck can be crazy if upgraded too. Putting Underworld Breach, some tutors and flicker results in a competently powerful breach deck.
@@SammySlamma92 you don't need demonic tutor. Sidisi works. There's also profane tutor. You only need to find a way to get Underworld Breach into your hand, and flicker to hand or grave(unmarked grave does this, as does milling it off of dihada).
You can still make powerful deck with some affordable upgrades.
The new decks cost 5 dollars more than all the other decks do. Over here all the pre-cons had a fixed price at approximately 55 dollars.
Remember when you'd get one 60-dollar game for your birthday or Christmas? Maybe even two?
Now we're bombarded with product that is super tempting to buy, at least every other month. I guess I shouldn't complain that they're doing their job well. I want the cards!
It's just annoying that it's so expensive. Along with food and power getting more expensive (no politics; that's just a fact), it sours the mood a little to see the already luxury product getting just a little bit more expensive as well.
The best solution is to buy singles when necessary. If they print a whole deck and I want enough cards from it, then whatever. I just wish they'd cut the price of the decks in half. I bet they'd still make a huge profit. Sadly a huge profit isn't enough. It's gotta be the _biggest_ .
I'm sorry I'm complaining so much. It's a neat game, and I'm having fun playing it still! It's just... like the Prof said; "it is okay to love something, but still be critical of it".
Also, they can technically ask any price they want. It is completely within my power to not buy... or to buy. I just wish I could have my cake and eat it too. In fact, what saddens me is that it hasn't always been like that; we've had less expensive commander decks in the past.
Thanks for the vid, Prof!
Always out here with the best reviews! Thanks Professor!
As someone who plays two Prismatic bridge, one ur dragon and one progenitus commander decks I can confirm Painbow's manabase is godlike and the deck itself is a lot of fun.
As always, great vídeo, Prof!
Greetings from Brazil!
I can’t help but feel like the 2 legendaries being Jared and Jensen is a supernatural reference lol
Wow, casual full art shivan destoryer. Good stuff though, been wanting to pick up painbow since i've never tried any decks with more than two colors (relatively new player haha). Do like what I'm seeing though, so might grab both of them when the prices drop later.
The amount of alliteration attained in the opening was delightful
I love how I haven't played mtg in like 3 years, and never got super into it (tho I always want to), but I *love* your vids 😂
Can't wait for my Academic XL 😁
I like Jensen better as the commander in the Painbow deck. Easier to keep on the field and there are 10 all color spells that can trigger the Serra effect. Nearly forgot to add...the two mutate creatures would be the first two I'd replace. Throw in Garth One-Eye, Maelstrom Archangel, Esika, Najeela, etc. there are a lot of creatures that could work very well.
perfectly presented professor!..thank you for explaining the mana fix for the ur-dragon..will follow that template 🙂
Great video!! You always help me decide on which magic products to get!
This guy is incredible. Subbed liked and went back to all your other vids and liked them too. Fuck yeah bro.
I'm new to the game. I built an ur dragon deck as my first deck haha! Yea....it was pricey and I didn't learn anything. I do enjoy blowing up the table with my dragons though lol!!
I'm so glad that the mana base is actually looking nice for the five color precon! I can't wait to get these soon
I agree regarding the WUBRG prof! I played the ur-dragon since it was released and it was hard to upgrade it to fully operational. The new one has a good manabase, though a confusing strategy unless tweaked properly.
Hey prof thanks for the effort you put into things like this. The rare independent voice💪🏻🥰
Also I haven’t checked out the discord community yet but that sounds amazing!!❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Oh boy, the misprint foil stamps in the Legend's Legacy Deck. The Misprint Community will love you.
Interesting decks this time. Like Painbow, myself.
God, I was so excited when I saw Painbow for the first time. I can't wait to upgrade that.
Another superb video. Thanks for educating us.
Legends' Legacy has been my go to commander deck since I bought it. It's been my favorite and most reliable commander.
Nice breakdown of the Painbow Manabase!
Just looking at a list of Lands I don't know if I would have noticed all that! Thanks!
Most people don't
Thanks for all your videos. Great learning each time. and i love the outro music :)
I have a multi color draft cube and I've been using slow fetches and tangos with signets for fixing. It works great.
I actually found the slow-fetch + tango land combination to work less optimally than for the Ur-Dragon deck. It looked nicer on paper, but worked out worse in practice. That's because the tango lands enter tapped more frequently than in a three-colour deck, given the low count of basic lands in Painbow. And since the fetchland already enters tapped, you still end up with two tapped lands for two turns in a row. It looks like a mimic of fetchland + shockland, but it doesn't work in practice. I'd rather have lands in there that tap for all colours, even if they're as slow as Rupture Spire / Transguild Promenade / Gateway Plaza / Archway Commons, as well as Path of Ancestry. They also could have reprinted Reflecting Pool, City of Brass, and/or Mana Confluence, instead of stuffing all the Mirage fetchies + already over-printed tango lands in here.
Awesome job as always Prof! Keep up the awesome work and take care!
Great as always. I specifically enjoy your focus on mana bases in precons, and am likewise awed that Wizards finally printed a good one.
I do wish you would add a caveat to your financial section when doing day 1 analyses of precons. The price of precon exclusive new cards is always inflated during the presale and first weekend period. The fact that most of the cards of value from both decks are the new precon exclusives means the decks will lose a significant amount of value in the coming weeks. These cards that are over ten dollars on presale and day 1 are very likely to drop by half or more in just a week or two unless they turn out to be completely busted.
Basically what I'm saying is that someone could order a deck based on your breakdown, thinking they're getting a handful of 10+ dollar cards, but those cards could easily be only 2-3 dollars each by the time the deck arrives.
Haven't played in 20+ years, need a new deck, heading to the LGS today to check out the wares!!!!! Going to look at precon decks, that's where I left off in 1997 with Tempest precons.
Neither deck particularly enthralls me. More often than not I end up buying the pre-cons for staples and reprints to make other decks. Love your discord, thank you.
I need that Ur-Dragon Deck:)))))). I search for it since i began that game. It is my absolute favoriten card
This is like my Ur Dragon deck cut in half. A 5 color deck on one side, and a legend tribal deck on the other. I shouldn't be excited just by the use of the original Planeshift art for Terminate but it did add more desire for me to get these decks.
I would like to point out that the cost of these precons on MtGO is 29.99, which in conjunction with the fact they sold the Commander Legends and Kaldheim precons from late 2020/early 2021 for 19.99 suggests 29.99 as an MSRP. Of course, without an official MSRP, well...
The "missing" Sol Ring from the Mardu deck, actually shows up at @8:22