@@MadRC pretty awesome still i didn't know this was happening until i read it there did you notice these on some product pages or where did you get the info?
When I started out in 2020, I don't remember seeing any stacks that cost as much as $100. Expensive ones were like $80. Most were in the $40 to $60 range. If I remember right.
I have been using the Artery mcu in product development for the last 2 years, without major problems. The register space is different though even though it is pin to pin compatible with the STM32s. Their support is fine, libraries are OK, nothing to complain.
Mullet??? It will be interesting to see how these AT32 pan out and if the cheaper price holds true. Thank you for purchasing some of these so we can see how well they function. Thanks Mads Tech.
Another great and informative video. The very best at explaining what your talking about to all.. From numpties (me) to the highly skilled hobbyist and professional users.
Definitely looking forward for the next video about these new flight controllers. Definitely seen the price increases and it’s one reason why FPV gear’s a bit out of my budget and have been holding off to get anything.
Some pretty good news, Ian! Thanks!!! 😃 I hope Betaflight 4.5 gets realized fast... 4.4* has been pretty buggy. 😬 Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Good news for the tiny whoop HD community. The move away from SPI ELRS and addition of blackbox has stolen our IO options for HD VTX beyond 1 or 2 uart unless we want to spend $90 on flywoo, but now we have the crazyf405 HD from happymodel at $59 usd. Hopefully we will see some $40 options with this new chip!
I’m about to receive the $39 AIO from NeutronRc. From the specifications of the AT32F435, it will perform almost like an F7. It’s clocked a little faster than the F7 but the Cortex M4 cpu doesn’t have the floating point acceleration hardware that the Cortex M7 cpu of the F7 has. So it will not perform better than an F7. But when paired with the BMI270 gyro that has a 3.3K maximum loop frequency in Betaflight this MCU will be powerful enough to run at 3.3K loop, with rpm filter and everything else which the F4 chips can struggle to do. These chips will bring up the budget flight stacks performance right below F7 stacks while being about 2x to 2.5x less expensive than an F7 stack.
There is already some escs running these at chip sets so hopefully everything will work out with the flight controllers. It's not much to tweak a hex file to change the pin outs but doing it for lots of boards would be a hassle. I have faith that neutronrc will do these chips justice. They seem to know how to manufacturer a aio and esc. They're also jumping into am32 boards as well which is nice.
That's very interesting. Thanks for letting us know about this. As long as the chips are good and well supported, I'm all for some healthy competition in this market!
What are the specifics of "Not fully compatible with BF 4.4" I mean these flight controllers are already on the market. Are they running a non-generic build of BF.
the markets or in particular the demand has been stalling so they need to introduce new products like the speedybee F405 Watch the outlook for the Solar Power System markets: pretty bad cause demand is not growing as it had been growing in 2022 and therefore prices for inverters and modules / panels are already decreasing again for example here a 550 Wp panel is sold for 145€ And the car market and the stalling demand is now hitting the manufacturers like VW fighting back the attack from tesla in the EV market by reducing prices too - at least here. I guess market by market with exploding prices from the past will be hit by demand decrease too. Hits many industries at the same point in time. So I expect also the whole Remote market to get under pressure soon cause people have less free income for disposal so less money for kids and their hobbies and also for family hobbies which will hurt the chinese manufacturers. I observed a lot of price decreases with keepa on amazon which tracks the prices of a few products I wanna buy within the next year or 2. I hope the artery will also prove the quality cause I miss that quality point too often cause these videos need to be released which I understand and can not wait for a 6 months later review to discuss all the issues. From the speedy be flight controller I have to summarize #1 fast shipping #2 had to pay domestic vat to speedy bee when purchasing but the item arrived within 6 days and no further customs or fees #3 the speedy bee web site price was even cheaper than the cheapest offer on ali express even though the aliexpress prices includes the VAT which lead to a big price gap on paper cause the speedy bee shop showed me first prices without the VAT. # 4 Therefore buying from speedy bee shop deserves another star for the fast and full trackable dhl delivery #5 product looks and feels or flies quite reliable and upgrade had also worked of cause i mean the wing flight controller only cause I do not build copters which I buy from dji ready to fly cause I would crash far too many I guess. At the end of the season I will know more but right now it is better than my cheaper Matek F405 wing controller I had used in all my planes.
GigaDevice also makes ARM Cortex based MCUs GD32 series. I couldn't link the product url... but yeah check it out. Not sure if anyone is going to use their MCU
Hi Ian, do you think the America investing 39 billion to manufacture chips on American soil will impact the availability of chips for the hobby and price?
I’d everything pans out we will end up in an oversupply situation again at the top end for sure. however it’s also worth noting that everything being build is for cutting edge EUV and NA EUV all on sub 10nm. . These stm style chipsets are using much older 90nm style fabs and today there is much less investment in that so you could actually see supply get worse as no one wants to invest in older nodes.
Well done my friend!! Nobody else could have done this justice like you Ian. We appreciate you.
oscar liang has had this info on his page for a while now
Yea I spotted that. I started this about 3 weeks ago but it takes me forever to finish anything tbh.
@@MadRC pretty awesome still
i didn't know this was happening until i read it there
did you notice these on some product pages or where did you get the info?
@@marc_frank I just started to see talk of boards with it piping up from people.
I can't wait to see how these new chips function and what BF devs can do with them. It's about time there is some competition in this arena.
we are not far on full support for them
@@Sugar_K aloha .
When I started out in 2020, I don't remember seeing any stacks that cost as much as $100. Expensive ones were like $80. Most were in the $40 to $60 range. If I remember right.
I have been using the Artery mcu in product development for the last 2 years, without major problems.
The register space is different though even though it is pin to pin compatible with the STM32s.
Their support is fine, libraries are OK, nothing to complain.
That is a GREAT news!! All we need is the prices going down, our great hobby needs that desperately.
Thanks for sharing, Ian!
Don't forget all the early Pixhawk boards were Atmel based such as the ATmega128 etc. I still have a few of these boards for prosterity sake😀
Yea I was going to mention it but it would have gone on for ever lol.
@@MadRC Understood😀
I've used the AT32 FC for a long time, and even the ESC is based on AT32 too.
Mullet??? It will be interesting to see how these AT32 pan out and if the cheaper price holds true. Thank you for purchasing some of these so we can see how well they function. Thanks Mads Tech.
Hell yea. I’m going back to the seventies
Another great and informative video.
The very best at explaining what your talking about to all.. From numpties (me) to the highly skilled hobbyist and professional users.
Definitely looking forward for the next video about these new flight controllers.
Definitely seen the price increases and it’s one reason why FPV gear’s a bit out of my budget and have been holding off to get anything.
Some pretty good news, Ian! Thanks!!! 😃
I hope Betaflight 4.5 gets realized fast... 4.4* has been pretty buggy. 😬
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
4.4.2 is stunning what are you talking about "buggy"?
I'm flying BF 4.4... should I be worried? Can you please let me know what bugs you have discovered?
@@cinemoriahFPV It's mostly the GPS, but Curry Kitten had some other issues...
@@Siamect If it's not broken, don't fix it, dude. Don't worry. 😊
Good news for the tiny whoop HD community. The move away from SPI ELRS and addition of blackbox has stolen our IO options for HD VTX beyond 1 or 2 uart unless we want to spend $90 on flywoo, but now we have the crazyf405 HD from happymodel at $59 usd. Hopefully we will see some $40 options with this new chip!
Interesting! Thank you. Commenting for the algorithm.
As usual, great presentation. Thank you for the new info and keeping us informed.
I’m about to receive the $39 AIO from NeutronRc. From the specifications of the AT32F435, it will perform almost like an F7. It’s clocked a little faster than the F7 but the Cortex M4 cpu doesn’t have the floating point acceleration hardware that the Cortex M7 cpu of the F7 has. So it will not perform better than an F7. But when paired with the BMI270 gyro that has a 3.3K maximum loop frequency in Betaflight this MCU will be powerful enough to run at 3.3K loop, with rpm filter and everything else which the F4 chips can struggle to do. These chips will bring up the budget flight stacks performance right below F7 stacks while being about 2x to 2.5x less expensive than an F7 stack.
Thank You! Yes, the cost is going to high on FC's.
I wonder if it has the built in software inverter of the F7 or if it will need a dedicated sbus pad like the current F4s
Holybro has been using artery F4 chips on there Tekko32 F4
Yea they have been on esc for a while now. It’s just moving into FC
Hell yeah, i like cheaper options for quads im going to smash up.
I've been flashing esc's with the artery chipsets with AM32 for a few months now.😊
Good news, thanks Ian.
Guess we'll have to see the durability of them to see if it'll be worth it. Cheers Mate 🍻
There is already some escs running these at chip sets so hopefully everything will work out with the flight controllers. It's not much to tweak a hex file to change the pin outs but doing it for lots of boards would be a hassle. I have faith that neutronrc will do these chips justice. They seem to know how to manufacturer a aio and esc. They're also jumping into am32 boards as well which is nice.
That's very interesting. Thanks for letting us know about this. As long as the chips are good and well supported, I'm all for some healthy competition in this market!
What are the specifics of "Not fully compatible with BF 4.4" I mean these flight controllers are already on the market. Are they running a non-generic build of BF.
Yes they must be as it’s not in official builds today. Will be soon.
the markets or in particular the demand has been stalling so they need to introduce new products like the speedybee F405
Watch the outlook for the Solar Power System markets: pretty bad cause demand is not growing as it had been growing in 2022 and therefore prices for inverters and modules / panels are already decreasing again for example here a 550 Wp panel is sold for 145€
And the car market and the stalling demand is now hitting the manufacturers like VW fighting back the attack from tesla in the EV market by reducing prices too - at least here.
I guess market by market with exploding prices from the past will be hit by demand decrease too. Hits many industries at the same point in time.
So I expect also the whole Remote market to get under pressure soon cause people have less free income for disposal so less money for kids and their hobbies and also for family hobbies which will hurt the chinese manufacturers. I observed a lot of price decreases with keepa on amazon which tracks the prices of a few products I wanna buy within the next year or 2.
I hope the artery will also prove the quality cause I miss that quality point too often cause these videos need to be released which I understand and can not wait for a 6 months later review to discuss all the issues.
From the speedy be flight controller I have to summarize
#1 fast shipping
#2 had to pay domestic vat to speedy bee when purchasing but the item arrived within 6 days and no further customs or fees
#3 the speedy bee web site price was even cheaper than the cheapest offer on ali express even though the aliexpress prices includes the VAT which lead to a big price gap on paper cause the speedy bee shop showed me first prices without the VAT.
# 4 Therefore buying from speedy bee shop deserves another star for the fast and full trackable dhl delivery
#5 product looks and feels or flies quite reliable and upgrade had also worked
of cause i mean the wing flight controller only cause I do not build copters which I buy from dji ready to fly cause I would crash far too many I guess.
At the end of the season I will know more but right now it is better than my cheaper Matek F405 wing controller I had used in all my planes.
I definitely can’t wait to see your review of these chipsets! I’ve been following the progress of the AT32, I’m excited for it tbh!
Does AT32 have software UART inverters like F3 and F7 or not like F4s?
did you ever test it?
GigaDevice also makes ARM Cortex based MCUs GD32 series. I couldn't link the product url... but yeah check it out.
Not sure if anyone is going to use their MCU
can you do a video on how to flash the neutron 35a aio
I already have a fc on the way
What is the fluffy stuff in your neck ? Are you growing a mullet ??
Yes a big porn star one.
Still more than double of what I used to pay for a omnibusF4V3, wheres the cheap Flight Controllers
that our kids can buy and use on a Plane ?
Very exciting news indeed
is this fc suitable for a baby tooth type of build?
Artery is a Chinese company, whereas ST Microelectronics is European. Know who you are supporting/undermining when buying such chips.
If pricing is a good indicator, STM32 has plenty of support. So much so that many of their MCU are consistently out of stock.
Yes, I prefer the Chinese
Hello Mads Tech, can I buy this AT chip and replace a STM on a malfunctioning FC?
No
Also just found out a Pawel Spehalsky livestream 01/2023 about the AT32, he says you can't replace the mcu because of different hardware or libraries.
40€ FC? 2 years ago, I bought a whole mamba stack for 40€...
Also they run am32 esc protocol i think its better than blheli32
Apparently so
After this review , the prices will be in three folds 😅
Hi Ian, do you think the America investing 39 billion to manufacture chips on American soil will impact the availability of chips for the hobby and price?
I’d everything pans out we will end up in an oversupply situation again at the top end for sure. however it’s also worth noting that everything being build is for cutting edge EUV and NA EUV all on sub 10nm. . These stm style chipsets are using much older 90nm style fabs and today there is much less investment in that so you could actually see supply get worse as no one wants to invest in older nodes.
@@MadRC Do you know what is the nm process the Artery chips are using? I cannot find the information on internet.
@@GinTonicFPV the STM line is 90nm. I’d expect them to be the same.
i thought that am32 is coming...
Am32 is. That the esc software. This is the SOC
@@MadRC I know. I just thought for second that am32 esc software is getting more popular or some escs are getting sold with am32 on board.
would prefer to see gyros other than the BMI on these.. they are cheap... and this is the only thing going for them
🔥
Anyone read "Chip War"? 😅
Nice way to say Bitcoin mining malware deff is true.