The Dutch University Grading System | International Student in The Netherlands
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Hi Hello, hope this video gave you some insight into the grading system at a dutch university! The main take away from this is that getting the highest grades is rare and what I meant with the thumbnail "why you're F is actually an A+" , I mean that what you might perceive as very very very bad like a 7 or 8 in The Netherlands is a pretty good grade! Also students usually get lower grades in their first year but it usually goes uphill from there on!!
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There are many university teachers in the Netherlands never giving a perfect 10, because, as they say, perfection does not exist. So the highest you can get is 9.
I did see a student who got 10, only once in a year
I don't like dogmatic teachers like that. On an exam a student is tested on a tiny fraction of the knowledge in the field, it's absolutely feasible to master a tiny fraction of knowledge perfectly, so if a student does that he/she deserves a 10 on that particular exam and nothing less and not some bullshit 9 or even a 9.9.
You can definitely get a 10 on some tests when you just answer everything correctly
@@aeiouaeiou100 gl with that when theres a lot of open questions where it's very very easy to not get full points especially if you have a teacher like that
There must be one perfect student tho like the choosen one. A student that the teacher says this is perfection I can't lie. 😂
As a Dutch, i would rate this video as a 10/10.
As I understand it, the Dutch systeem was designed to produce some differentiation between students: some questions will be more difficult than others. This makes it relatively easy to get a passing grade. But you can only get a 10 by really knowing the subject matter by heart. I would suggest that aiming for a 10 should only be your goal if: you love the subject matter, or love studying like a machine. An 8 or a 9 is a much more achievable goal. But most people are happy with a 6 or 7.
As a Dutch student, im very impressed about how well you understand the Dutch grading system but also how well you explained it. Great job!
Just finished my bachelor, and I got a few 8s and 6s, mostly 7s and just one 9. The 9 was for a class that I honestly didn't understand, at all, until the final week where we had to use a new theory for something. I centered my presentation on that theory, my essay, and my exam essay (there were no rules saying you couldn't, I checked ;). That exam essay was the best thing I wrote in those 3 years at uni. It was detailed; it refered to tons of relevant sources; and I just felt like I wrote something meaningful and correct. The next year, I had the same professor for another class and I wrote something that felt pretty average, which got me an 8... So I guess he was one of the professors who was a bit more loose with how high he graded things. Kinda devalues the 9 I got, but I still feel pretty good about it.
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Often, they don't award points for correct answers, they deduct points for any mistakes. A "10" therefore represents perfection, which is why it is so rare.
I'd also wager it's a lot easier to get a "10" in the hard sciences, because there's less debate about what the "correct" answer to a question is.
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This is actually very inconvenient for the Dutchies who aply for stydies in the us, for most colleges there think our grades are very low while we just have a different kind of measure. Very nicely explained by the way!
I did my Erasmus semester in the Netherlands and being hit with my first 6 was definitely a surprise when you're used to getting mostly top grades at your home university 😅 In Finland we go from 0 (fail) to 5 (90%+ or sometimes even more than that) and the two lowest passing grades are considered terrible, and in general you should be aiming for a 3.5 GPA or above to be considered a good student. So hearing that a 6 is already satisfactory was surprising. Luckily my grades did not get transferred, since even the 8s I got at the second half of my semester would've dropped my Finnish GPA significantly...
Nice to see another very clear video!
Thank you!
Your sense of humour 😂😂😂. The if you got a 1 part got me rolling on the floor
Muito obrigada por esses vídeos tão legais e informativos!! Estudo na Irlanda e acabei de aplicar para o Liberal Arts and Sciences na EUC!! To torcendo pra dar tudo certo pq amei tudo da universidade, cidade e vc ajudou a fazer essa paixão crescer hahah To com um pouco de medo mas o que for pra ser, será! Te conheci aqui no RUclips em junho mais ou menos e desde então sempre to acompanhando os vídeos!! Muito sucesso pra você, espero um dia me juntar a ti aí em Rotterdam :))
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yay this made me less depressed about my grades in the first blocks. thanksss :)
Dont worry about the grades . When i was studying for ships engineer/maritime officer .There where many subjects all graded at different levels . one subject 55% score would make you pass . with a 5.5 but another subject you might score a 73% and you would barely pass with a 6 depending on how important the subject was.
Another fun fact about ECTS with (some) studies you need 54 ECTS to pass to next year. If you fail a big class (6+ ECTS ) or a two small ones with even a five. You can still be a dropout with a grade average of 8
I'm currently learning that the hard way.😅
In high school there actually are descriptions associated with the number grades:
10 - uitmuntend ("outstanding")
9 - zeer goed ("very good")
8 - goed ("good")
7 - ruim voldoende ("amply sufficient")
6 - voldoende ("sufficient")
5 - matig ("mediocre")
4 - onvoldoende ("insufficient")
3 - ruim onvoldoende ("very insufficient")
2 - slecht ("bad")
1 - zeer slecht ("very bad")
I used to be content if I got an 8 or higher.
Helloo, I really appreciate your videos about university in Rotterdam , I have a question about the methods of the exams. The exams are always written ( like multiple choice,essay ) or oral, or both. Thank you!
Good job! Continue with these videos will make more students want to study in the Netherlands ;)
Thanks!
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Hello, so I pass the subject, I earn the credit right? Can I get more than 60 credits in one year?
Thanks! This eased me up a bit lol. I wanted to ask are the grades provided on a percentile basis? Like you receive the grade based on how many students did you perform better than?
only with a study like medicine they grade with a percentile basis.
They are not, but there are typically stats available how your grade compared to the population (through Osiris, blackboard or w/e platform is currently used). Roughly speaking a 9 is only given in less than 3 percent of all cases. And 10 equates to the top 0.1% of all students.
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Can you please do a video concerning the available part-time jobs for international students and how to find these jobs
Milena, como vai, tudo bom? Estive na Alemanha pra estudar e acabei voltando pro Brasil. Estou pensando em voltar pra Europa, quem sabe Holanda. Gostaria de perguntar mais detalhes sobre o curso, as avaliações, o acesso aos professores, a possiblidade de trabalhar, o conteúdo da primeira fase do curso, etc etc etc. Consigo entrar em contato contigo pra quem sabe esclarecer algumas dúvidas?
they got exams or assignments?
The dutch school system asks way too much from kids, in ur first year on the school after primary education school (secondary education before university or college) they give u 2 exams or tests every week! while u havent even learned how to properly study for a test or exams on primary education school. In the 2nd year of secondary education u literally do not have time for yourself, once u finish one test u can already start studying for the next test that has to be made the next day. I know that planning can help with studying but planning doesnt help at all because u would have to plan out every week since u have a test every week. And then u still dont have anytime, schools think u want to study every day after school, and they think that making u go to school at 8:30am every day till 16:00 pm is fine and its easy, Alot of people dont have time to study because of that and maybe they have sports after school. On some schools if u have high enough grades to pass but u didnt complete a whole school year worth of work that u had to do in class (maybe u were sick and u didnt make the homework u missed out on) u wont pass the year. Most of the dutch children that are depressed is because of school!
only 2? i had usually 3 tests in a week and in the second grade of the middelbare school i had 4 tests in a week for a few weeks in a row and of course there are also the "toetsweken" where u have even 10 tests in a week
@@tomaszhejna8446 yeah for me it right now 2 is the minimum of the week for every week
If it's a project you're working on a 10 is impossible. You'll get some bullshit that "nothing is perfect" or "there's always room for improvement". And never turn in your best work if your grades are high. I learned the hard way that they sell that work and they don't need your approval for it. I'm proud of the 9.5, but I'd rather have the money school got for it.
things that never happened.
well, as an American, more than old enough to know better, I would give Milena a 10 for the video, and a 100 on the cuteness scale! Well done! and extremely informative!
You’re too kind!! Thank you so much for the supporting words 🥰
soooo basically what you are saying is that you find it weird that you dont get full credit without having to answer everything correctly?
Thank you so much for the informative video! However, I was wondering, what makes it particularly difficult to get high grades (8-10) in Dutch universities? Is it because the standard of excellence to get those high marks are very difficult as a whole? Or is it because of the grading system itself only allowing certain people to get high grades (e.g. how are the marks/grades given, is it based on a bell curve or an absolute scale that translates to a range for how many marks are needed to obtain a certain grade (1-10)?
It would be great to know what metric is used for determining students' grades, or are professors free to create their own assessment criteria?
Thank you!
There is something you need to know before answering this question. In the Netherlands, grades differ EXTREMELY by university, as well as your major. Most of the time, a student with a natural science major is more likely to achieve a 9 or 10 than someone with a social science major. The most important reason for this is the fact that often times, an answer is straight up right or wrong in natural science courses, while there can be a discussion about answers in social science courses. To get a 10, you need to score 100% of the maximum points in an exam. As you can probably guess, it's very easy to lose 1 score point. Normally, a professor has a specific way to calculate your grade. In most cases, this will be (points scored/total exam points) x 9 + 1. In some universities, it's also possible to get a grade below one. In that case, this method is never used. This means we do not use a bell curve for calculating grades, although the university of Utrecht published information on the frequency of grades. There we can see that about 1.11% of final grades in a bachelor course are 9.3 or higher although this is only the case for passed courses. In most Dutch universities, you have to pass every subject. Only the University in Rotterdam allows you to compensate one subject with another. If you fail, you have to try again the next year. The failing grade won't count to your average grade. This suggests it's definitely possible to score a 9 or higher in every course, although very, very unlikely.
This is the link to the frequency tables of grades at the University of Utrecht.
students.uu.nl/praktische-zaken/regelingen-en-procedures/uu-cijfers-in-het-buitenland-grading-tables
@@sjors3487 you forgot to mention that to graduate cum laude, you can only take so many resits. so you dont have infinite opportunity
@@tikket10 Universities make their own rules about graduating cum laude (or in even more special cases, magna or summa cum laude, while not all universities offer these titles). This means the amount of resits will depend on the major and university and you can find this in the regulation of education and examination (OER) of the major you're taking. Most universities do have rules about the amount of resits a student can take to graduate cum laude and it becomes more and more prevalent to have these rules. Still thanks for the extra information :)
It's exactly the bell curve method you described, they don't want more than a certain percentile to get more than 8 or less than 5. 80% is probably between those thresholds normally. It's not tooled that way but that is the goal.
@@sjors3487do you know any specific information about how the university of Leiden grade?
thanks for sharing
nice video. In my experience 5.5/6 is not above average, its just sufficient to pass. Maybe in your case it is but it would mean almost half of the students are failing?
It is just sufficient to pass, but it isn't an average. There are no quota where 50% has to fail or something like that, as far as I know. It's about the quality of your work, we're told. Although, if a large part of the students would get an 8 or above, it would bring up questions about the quality of the exam itself, I suppose.
At some universities, like technical ones (not to be confused with applied sciences, I don’t know their situation) there are courses where 30-50% of students participating in a class pass every year. It is seen as by the professors, and I would argue by the university, that the courses is “high quality” as only select few are able to pass. I wouldn’t say that it’s a quota universities are explicitly trying to achieve, but this statistic has been consistent, with few exceptions, but this trend has been consistently happening at my university.
I failed quite a few exams thinking I did enough to pass 😢
I’m Dutch and in my first year on university I only got 9 and 10’s.
I literallly cried watching just the 1min of your video, that's how some of you become insecure. So if you're thinking of coming to nl to study, don't underestimate mental health
Do i have to be 18 to join College
Hi JOE, you don't have to be 18, you do however need to have a high school diploma of VWO/VWO+ which is an equivalent of an American high school diploma with at least 4 AP courses with a score of 3 or higher with an official end exam, multiple extra courses and good grades. Homeschooling is never grounds for admission, but there are possibilities to take an entrance exam for some majors to compensate for this. If you somehow manage to achieve that at the age of 14-15-16-17 you can be allowed to university. Universities will provide extra counseling included in the college cost for such young students as it is harder for them to 'fit in' to most social groups and the mental strain often hinders their grades in university. TLDR: there is no negative age discrimination from the universities themselves, rather support for younger students.
do you happen to hear about how the difficulty compares to universities in Singapore? I have heard from some of people that in comparison, the Dutch curriculum is very easy and laid back compared to our pressure cooker education system.
When I studied 5,8 was a pass. And I am not a god but I had a average grade of almost 8. So it is possible.
Well above 8 is cum laude in my university for bachelors (i think) and
8 in USA amounts to 4.0 GPA
8 in UK might/should amount to 1:1 so like it’s already considered an A
But yeah i feel like almost everyone i know graduated with grades between 7 and 8 (or maybe not but nobody complained about having less than an average of 7 , or said they had problems with applying to a master) , while like 10-11 graduated Cum Laude so 8 or above. 5.5 is considered a pass now , while I’ve seen special cases/courses/assignments where they want you to get 6 or above to pass.
While our university is supposed to be a research, above average one so yeah. I don’t know what’s going on either 😂💀
also I’ve seen total average people get extremely high grades, I’m talking 8.5 plus , while extreme hard workers got less, depending on who was grading (same assignment, different assistants or people grading) or in group projects so it’s very …varies i would say
How much i can earn in holland?? Can i pay my tuition fee by myself???
How hard can you work?
How hard can you work and study?
Probably going to get a bank loan of you aren’t a Dutch citizen. Average cost is 10-13,5k Euro for a year. (For non Dutch)
tuition for EU citizens is 2k a year, for non-EU citizens its about 10-15k a year. You can apply for an interest-free loan though
@@yowo6105what about for EEA?
Milena: *Struggles with the full name of ECT*. Me, a Dutch Student: actually says ECT or "punten" (points) and doesn't even know the full name.
Milena, you are very cool. I’m a prospective master’s student at Leiden. My nickname is Mevrouw! It would be great if we could meet up one day, for a chitchat! I’m an international, thus I know virtually no one in The Netherlands. Have a great day! #EuropeanCreditTransferSystem
9 to 10 is ez
I laughed hard at the assumption the god you speak about is the bible god :P
You so beautiful and would love to meet you one day God willing ....💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕
A 10! Yes godlike. A classic style is that only God is perfect, so almost impossible to achieve a 10. Really, religious effect on Dutch culture.
Your sense of humour 😂😂😂. The if you got a 1 part got me rolling on the floor