What happens to the departments who do not input the information or "do a fellow officer a favor" or does not do a backgroundcheck? ANY bill must have something to put a stop to this and makes those involved think twice about playing the system. To do this stiff punishment and mandatory sentences must be part of the bill. If not then this is just "I want your vote" move by politicians.
a few things that need to be done at the federal level. DOJ are you listening? BLUE LIES MAFIA POLICY ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE: any time an officer is placed on administrative leave it will be UNPAID leave. ONLY if laws, policy, civil rights, and/ or rules have NOT been violated, then they will be eligible for back pay. IF ANY laws, policy, civil rights, and/ or rules have been violated, then NO back pay/ administrative leave pay. PENDING INVESTIGATIONS: if an officer is being investigated for _______. the investigation whether pending, started or ended will be considered "OPEN" if they quit before any discipline is handed out. also they will NOT be able to move on to the next agency over or receive retirement funds and any other benefits until pending case is resolved. Any officer under investigation....The investigation should still be completed and any valid charges still processed. BODY CAMS: ALL law enforcement police, FBI, DEA, CBP, ICE and any other law enforcement agency shall have and use body cams. body cams will be turned on prior to an incident or as soon as possible and are to NOT be turned off, muted or paused until after the conclusion of the incidence. USE OF FORCE: MANDATORY MINIMUMS OF 2X the max. shall be enforced upon conviction. CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD: shall replace internal affairs. it shall have full investigative powers. it shall have the authority to file charges. police oversight board that would have the authority to investigate, discipline and fire police officers who engaged in misconduct. The oversight body shall have the authority to subpoena testimony and compel documentation. LOCALE DAs/ POLICE: will not be able to decide if police are not charged for there crimes. also they will be bared from investigating local cops. they must refer these cases to nan outside investigation. POLICE UNION(S): shall only be limited to negotiating pay, leave time, vacation, sick leave, benefits. anything else is NON-NEGOTIABLE. TRAINING: there shall be a 2yr training program. then when hired the first 2yr period is probation with no gun. then the next probation period is a year with gun after they prove themselves to be responsible. so in total it would require 5 yrs. to go from training to fully certified. DISCIPLINE/ COMPLAINT RECORDS: any and all complaints (founded and unfounded), discipline, suspensions shall be placed in a national database. these records are to be held from training to 20yr after retirement and/or death. .........
a few things that need to be done at the federal level. DOJ are you listening? BLUE LIES MAFIA POLICY ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE: any time an officer is placed on administrative leave it will be UNPAID leave. ONLY if laws, policy, civil rights, and/ or rules have NOT been violated, then they will be eligible for back pay. IF ANY laws, policy, civil rights, and/ or rules have been violated, then NO back pay/ administrative leave pay. PENDING INVESTIGATIONS: if an officer is being investigated for _______. the investigation whether pending, started or ended will be considered "OPEN" if they quit before any discipline is handed out. also they will NOT be able to move on to the next agency over or receive retirement funds and any other benefits until pending case is resolved. Any officer under investigation....The investigation should still be completed and any valid charges still processed. BODY CAMS: ALL law enforcement police, FBI, DEA, CBP, ICE and any other law enforcement agency shall have and use body cams. body cams will be turned on prior to an incident or as soon as possible and are to NOT be turned off, muted or paused until after the conclusion of the incidence. USE OF FORCE: MANDATORY MINIMUMS OF 2X the max. shall be enforced upon conviction. CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD: shall replace internal affairs. it shall have full investigative powers. it shall have the authority to file charges. police oversight board that would have the authority to investigate, discipline and fire police officers who engaged in misconduct. The oversight body shall have the authority to subpoena testimony and compel documentation. LOCALE DAs/ POLICE: will not be able to decide if police are not charged for there crimes. also they will be bared from investigating local cops. they must refer these cases to nan outside investigation. POLICE UNION(S): shall only be limited to negotiating pay, leave time, vacation, sick leave, benefits. anything else is NON-NEGOTIABLE. TRAINING: there shall be a 2yr training program. then when hired the first 2yr period is probation with no gun. then the next probation period is a year with gun after they prove themselves to be responsible. so in total it would require 5 yrs. to go from training to fully certified. DISCIPLINE/ COMPLAINT RECORDS: any and all complaints (founded and unfounded), discipline, suspensions shall be placed in a national database. these records are to be held from training to 20yr after retirement and/or death. .........
It's dumb! More useless red tape for an already broken system. The law should simply implement personal liability policies for every officer, where the premiums increase with every disciplinary mark...Have depts pay the initial premium, and the officer pay any increase. When an officer becomes a liability, they cant get a job...Simple! All this current "proposal" does is add more loopholes to the already corrupt system..."We're sorry, you/we cant afford to insure you..."
The city and county that fork out millions every year should pay to make this happen in all 50 states. They obviously have it to pay lawsuits so might as well put that money to good use.
They're also called gypsy cops. Happens quite often in Florida where the average pay is $55k and some departments are almost entirely Cuban because they simply cant find anyone else interested in the job.
Gypsy cops - same thing in Texas. A cop will quit to avoid being investigated. They move to the next town up the road. The new department ignores the work record.
This is no offense to the children who lost their lives, or the family members who have to deal with the pain every day in Uvalde, Texas… but some thing that gets overlooked about Uvalde needs to be addressed here .. how did the officer in the Uvalde situation get a dishonorable discharge… Because the Supreme Court has clearly ruled, and this is why parents cannot sue… Police officers, have no duty or obligation to protect or put their lives on the line for anyone. i’m assuming this is why he actually got to be rehired… He didn’t break any laws, he just didn’t meet the expectations of the public which now I hope people are learning was just an expectation and not an actual requirement… Or did this officer get dismissed from the department for another reason they haven’t disclosed? it’s for a a deprivation of rights then I can stop calling him an officer and call him a pig… Does this have to do with the incident at the school or a separate issue on why he was relieved of his duties? Anyone have any answers? I think it’s obvious why Uvalde representatives did not show up at the hearing, because they knew they could not get the officer discredited, they just did it for optics for the public. there was nothing unlawful with the officer did, there was no legal misconduct whatsoever. there are much better examples of officers in many of these deprivation of rights lawsuit videos that we are witnessing, this is just not the example that should’ve been included.
A few years back they were saying the same thing about toxic nurses. They'd be fired from one hospital and merely hop over to another. I would guess that staffing shortages are to blame in many of these cases with both nurses and cops are in short supply. That means if you are hiring, you have a vested interest in not looking too closely at the resume.
Hmmm. Those two "pipelines." as you call them. do not resonate with me. In my experience, compassionate people are the ones who gravitate to nursing, and bullies are the ones who end up in jail, not the ones who put them there. Mean nurses and bully-cops are the exception, not the rule--constituting pipeline. But then, I'm an old man and maybe out of touch. At least, that's what our youth-obsessed culture indicates. @@Tortilla.Reform
So, how many days after the cop is fired for violating someone's Constitutional rights are they considered for the FBI and ATF? I have it on good authority that the way cops audition for Federal Police Jobs like the ATF is to commit blatant acts of criminality under the color of authority, maybe unalive someone's dog or spouse (un-aliving an unarmed innocent elderly person while they're in bed sleeping gets the best score with FBI & ATF), make sure it's on body cam and then make sure you admit no wrongdoing all the way to the end then smile for the cameras in court while the spouse of the person you deleted cries. Then and only then are you fit for Federal Service or work with the IDF, MOSSAD, CIA, FBI, ATF, IRS etc... 🤡👍😮
LOL , most cops resign before getting fired. And then the Investigating party stop Investigate. And they are known as gypsy cops , maybe not correct name this days.
One of the problems this story missed is small departments find "wandering officers" appealing because they can hire them and DONT have to pay to send them to POST (Police officer standards and training)... it all about the money!! and you have bad officers just going from department to department terrorizing the population. I believe the solution is to de -certify the officers for a discharge below general( The unions would scream bloody murder) and if they want to be cops they have to go to post again.So I'm not saying they can't be cops they just need to go to training again.This would stop small departments from hiring them JUST because there certified.
@@dustyrelic25 if you’re in mineral Wells, West Virginia… Hi neighbor, I’m just a few miles down the road in Vienna… Fight the good fight and never stand for tyranny👍
How about when a cop violates the law we send it directly to the grand jury and let them decide. Oh wait! That is already in law but the DAs always shield them from prosecution. If higher ups aren't following law then why would the cops? It's systemic and must start at the top, the boss man(abbot), oh wait! He's a criminal too! Well hell!
The real plague are the ones hiring them. An officer is being exposed right now that was decertified in GA for misconduct with a minor. He moved to Broward County and they hired him as a school officer! A member of the auditing community exposed him!
I still say the powers.that be inacted that wholeshooting at the school.things just dont add up.why wasnt.that boy shot in the road. Parking lot before getting to the school Why was the door left.opean?
If I get "dishonorably/generally" fired from McDonald's, can I appeal that decision and get a job at a different McDonald's?
this happens all over the US not just Texas
Fantastic!
What happens to the departments who do not input the information or "do a fellow officer a favor" or does not do a backgroundcheck? ANY bill must have something to put a stop to this and makes those involved think twice about playing the system. To do this stiff punishment and mandatory sentences must be part of the bill. If not then this is just "I want your vote" move by politicians.
a few things that need to be done at the federal level. DOJ are you listening?
BLUE LIES MAFIA POLICY
ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE:
any time an officer is placed on administrative leave it will be UNPAID leave.
ONLY if laws, policy, civil rights, and/ or rules have NOT been violated, then they will be eligible for back pay.
IF ANY laws, policy, civil rights, and/ or rules have been violated, then NO back pay/ administrative leave pay.
PENDING INVESTIGATIONS:
if an officer is being investigated for _______. the investigation whether pending, started or ended will be considered "OPEN" if they quit before any discipline is handed out. also they will NOT be able to move on to the next agency over or receive retirement funds and any other benefits until pending case is resolved.
Any officer under investigation....The investigation should still be completed and any valid charges still processed.
BODY CAMS:
ALL law enforcement police, FBI, DEA, CBP, ICE and any other law enforcement agency shall have and use body cams.
body cams will be turned on prior to an incident or as soon as possible and are to NOT be turned off, muted or paused until after the conclusion of the incidence.
USE OF FORCE:
MANDATORY MINIMUMS OF 2X the max. shall be enforced upon conviction.
CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD:
shall replace internal affairs. it shall have full investigative powers. it shall have the authority to file charges.
police oversight board that would have the authority to investigate, discipline and fire police officers who engaged in misconduct.
The oversight body shall have the authority to subpoena testimony and compel documentation.
LOCALE DAs/ POLICE:
will not be able to decide if police are not charged for there crimes. also they will be bared from investigating local cops. they must refer these cases to nan outside investigation.
POLICE UNION(S):
shall only be limited to negotiating pay, leave time, vacation, sick leave, benefits. anything else is NON-NEGOTIABLE.
TRAINING:
there shall be a 2yr training program. then when hired the first 2yr period is probation with no gun. then the next probation period is a year with gun after they prove themselves to be responsible. so in total it would require 5 yrs. to go from training to fully certified.
DISCIPLINE/ COMPLAINT RECORDS:
any and all complaints (founded and unfounded), discipline, suspensions shall be placed in a national database. these records are to be held from training to 20yr after retirement and/or death.
.........
Exactly! When there are NO penalties for not following the law, there is no incentive to follow it!
This needs to be a all 50 state law. Including for federal officers.
a few things that need to be done at the federal level. DOJ are you listening?
BLUE LIES MAFIA POLICY
ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE:
any time an officer is placed on administrative leave it will be UNPAID leave.
ONLY if laws, policy, civil rights, and/ or rules have NOT been violated, then they will be eligible for back pay.
IF ANY laws, policy, civil rights, and/ or rules have been violated, then NO back pay/ administrative leave pay.
PENDING INVESTIGATIONS:
if an officer is being investigated for _______. the investigation whether pending, started or ended will be considered "OPEN" if they quit before any discipline is handed out. also they will NOT be able to move on to the next agency over or receive retirement funds and any other benefits until pending case is resolved.
Any officer under investigation....The investigation should still be completed and any valid charges still processed.
BODY CAMS:
ALL law enforcement police, FBI, DEA, CBP, ICE and any other law enforcement agency shall have and use body cams.
body cams will be turned on prior to an incident or as soon as possible and are to NOT be turned off, muted or paused until after the conclusion of the incidence.
USE OF FORCE:
MANDATORY MINIMUMS OF 2X the max. shall be enforced upon conviction.
CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD:
shall replace internal affairs. it shall have full investigative powers. it shall have the authority to file charges.
police oversight board that would have the authority to investigate, discipline and fire police officers who engaged in misconduct.
The oversight body shall have the authority to subpoena testimony and compel documentation.
LOCALE DAs/ POLICE:
will not be able to decide if police are not charged for there crimes. also they will be bared from investigating local cops. they must refer these cases to nan outside investigation.
POLICE UNION(S):
shall only be limited to negotiating pay, leave time, vacation, sick leave, benefits. anything else is NON-NEGOTIABLE.
TRAINING:
there shall be a 2yr training program. then when hired the first 2yr period is probation with no gun. then the next probation period is a year with gun after they prove themselves to be responsible. so in total it would require 5 yrs. to go from training to fully certified.
DISCIPLINE/ COMPLAINT RECORDS:
any and all complaints (founded and unfounded), discipline, suspensions shall be placed in a national database. these records are to be held from training to 20yr after retirement and/or death.
.........
ESPECIALLY federal
It also needs to be done for doctors, nurses, etc
The US isn't even supposed to HAVE federal officers.
It's dumb! More useless red tape for an already broken system. The law should simply implement personal liability policies for every officer, where the premiums increase with every disciplinary mark...Have depts pay the initial premium, and the officer pay any increase. When an officer becomes a liability, they cant get a job...Simple! All this current "proposal" does is add more loopholes to the already corrupt system..."We're sorry, you/we cant afford to insure you..."
The city and county that fork out millions every year should pay to make this happen in all 50 states. They obviously have it to pay lawsuits so might as well put that money to good use.
They're also called gypsy cops. Happens quite often in Florida where the average pay is $55k and some departments are almost entirely Cuban because they simply cant find anyone else interested in the job.
Gypsy cops - same thing in Texas. A cop will quit to avoid being investigated. They move to the next town up the road. The new department ignores the work record.
I'm hopeful but skeptical. First problem to fix is union.
First is AUTOMATIC IMMUNITY, it's not even Qualified Immunity when they lie for the criminal cops so they can be protected for their criminal actions.
I call it recycleing the trash, most department don't even do background checks
Federal data base must be created....
Yeah I remember Lee Ward. He was horrible and wound up working in Tarrant county, Mineral Wells and who knows where else.
This is no offense to the children who lost their lives, or the family members who have to deal with the pain every day in Uvalde, Texas… but some thing that gets overlooked about Uvalde needs to be addressed here .. how did the officer in the Uvalde situation get a dishonorable discharge… Because the Supreme Court has clearly ruled, and this is why parents cannot sue… Police officers, have no duty or obligation to protect or put their lives on the line for anyone. i’m assuming this is why he actually got to be rehired… He didn’t break any laws, he just didn’t meet the expectations of the public which now I hope people are learning was just an expectation and not an actual requirement… Or did this officer get dismissed from the department for another reason they haven’t disclosed? it’s for a a deprivation of rights then I can stop calling him an officer and call him a pig… Does this have to do with the incident at the school or a separate issue on why he was relieved of his duties? Anyone have any answers? I think it’s obvious why Uvalde representatives did not show up at the hearing, because they knew they could not get the officer discredited, they just did it for optics for the public. there was nothing unlawful with the officer did, there was no legal misconduct whatsoever. there are much better examples of officers in many of these deprivation of rights lawsuit videos that we are witnessing, this is just not the example that should’ve been included.
So sad 😔
A few years back they were saying the same thing about toxic nurses. They'd be fired from one hospital and merely hop over to another. I would guess that staffing shortages are to blame in many of these cases with both nurses and cops are in short supply. That means if you are hiring, you have a vested interest in not looking too closely at the resume.
The high school mean girl to nurse pipeline, and the high school bully to police officer pipeline, are incredible phenomena to behold
Hmmm. Those two "pipelines." as you call them. do not resonate with me. In my experience, compassionate people are the ones who gravitate to nursing, and bullies are the ones who end up in jail, not the ones who put them there. Mean nurses and bully-cops are the exception, not the rule--constituting pipeline. But then, I'm an old man and maybe out of touch. At least, that's what our youth-obsessed culture indicates. @@Tortilla.Reform
Abolish Qualified Immunity!
I prefer term Gypsy Cops myself. And depts know if they don't show up to the appeal, it'll be upgraded to FBI Agent worthy status. 😂
That is gives a bad name to all Gypsies. 🤣
So, how many days after the cop is fired for violating someone's Constitutional rights are they considered for the FBI and ATF?
I have it on good authority that the way cops audition for Federal Police Jobs like the ATF is to commit blatant acts of criminality under the color of authority, maybe unalive someone's dog or spouse (un-aliving an unarmed innocent elderly person while they're in bed sleeping gets the best score with FBI & ATF), make sure it's on body cam and then make sure you admit no wrongdoing all the way to the end then smile for the cameras in court while the spouse of the person you deleted cries.
Then and only then are you fit for Federal Service or work with the IDF, MOSSAD, CIA, FBI, ATF, IRS etc... 🤡👍😮
Few bad apples. . . Right?
99% is a few.
They are all crooked. Prove me wrong.
We need a public list of tyrants, with names and home addresses! They must be monitored with whereabout known at all times for citizen safety!
Just like sex offenders.
How about the fact that crime is on the rise?? I think that’s a problem.
A federal electronic Brady list would help to stop this and much more.
LOL , most cops resign before getting fired. And then the Investigating party stop Investigate. And they are known as gypsy cops , maybe not correct name this days.
The coward in charge of the Uvalde dept should never be allowed to have a job in LE. He doomed those kids with his cowardly actions.
stop letting criminals quit to avoid prosecution for their crimes.
But nobody checks
One of the problems this story missed is small departments find "wandering officers" appealing because they can hire them and DONT have to pay to send them to POST (Police officer standards and training)... it all about the money!! and you have bad officers just going from department to department terrorizing the population.
I believe the solution is to de -certify the officers for a discharge below general( The unions would scream bloody murder) and if they want to be cops they have to go to post again.So I'm not saying they can't be cops they just need to go to training again.This would stop small departments from hiring them JUST because there certified.
Exactly. Happens all the time. I can name several from Mineral Wells alone. And one was on the task force!
@@dustyrelic25 if you’re in mineral Wells, West Virginia… Hi neighbor, I’m just a few miles down the road in Vienna… Fight the good fight and never stand for tyranny👍
How about when a cop violates the law we send it directly to the grand jury and let them decide. Oh wait! That is already in law but the DAs always shield them from prosecution. If higher ups aren't following law then why would the cops? It's systemic and must start at the top, the boss man(abbot), oh wait! He's a criminal too! Well hell!
TRANSIENT COPs...is a more accurate term, in my opinion. These types of "officers" plague law enforcement tarnishing departments.
The real plague are the ones hiring them. An officer is being exposed right now that was decertified in GA for misconduct with a minor. He moved to Broward County and they hired him as a school officer! A member of the auditing community exposed him!
How about you take the ability to become a cop for CRIMINAL COPS. but of course they are going to leave LOOP HOLES FOR THEIR FOOT SOLDIERS
'Wandering officers' are often called gypsy cops.
Wonder why the borders are not secure enough this is one reason
Dishonourable!!
I still say the powers.that be inacted that wholeshooting at the school.things just dont add up.why wasnt.that boy shot in the road. Parking lot before getting to the school
Why was the door left.opean?
Hahahahaha, this is hilarious.
Procedural actions should never be allowed to trump Justice.
Mind your own business people